The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Iceberg: A Deeper Look
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- Join me as I talk my way through this Ocarina of Time iceberg, with my own personal anecdotes, opinions, and theories behind the many strange and mysterious points this iceberg has to offer!
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CHAPTERS
Intro (*Ocarina of Time Opening theme) - 00:00:00
Layer 1 (*Zora's Domain OoT) - 00:01:20
Layer 2 (*Water Temple OoT) - 00:10:02
Layer 3 (*Forest Temple OoT) - 00:21:20
Layer 4 (*Big Boo's Haunt SM64) - 00:49:21
Layer 5 (*Schala's Theme Chrono Trigger) - 00:59:59
Layer 6 (*Ice Cavern OoT) - 01:14:31
Layer 7 (*Shadow Temple OoT) - 01:17:33
Layer 8 (*Safe Room RE2) - 01:31:25
Layer 9 (*Strains of Insanity Chrono Trigger) - 01:44:34
Outro (*Super Mario 64 Ending Theme) - 01:58:28
ERRORS
1:00:05 during this point, I keep saying "heart piece chest". the heart piece isn't in a chest. it's just on the floor. - Hry
8:00 When you don't have 50 rupees, he still demands it as normal, but since you don't have the required amount it doesnt deduct what you have left. You can walk to the door and it triggers his "HEY YOU CANT LEAVE WITH THE ROD" line, which resets his dialogue tree. So you can approach him again and talk to him normally to end the fishing game.
You da real MVP!
Thank you i had a curiosity over this
Awesome!!!!
If I remember right, you can get out of the fishing hole if you don't have enough, but he won't let you enter again if you don't pay his fine, lolz
This should be pinned, this is what the pin feature is for.
I wrote a short story about that dying guard in the alley for school in grade 10. Had him pegged as a man of great honour and duty. He gets bad vibes from “the man who came from the desert” notices some of the castle guard are acting suspicious. He gets told not to show up for guard duty by his superior officer, given the day off. He goes for a walk in the gardens, then he sees Impa fighting several guards, one of the guards goes for “the princess” and springs into action. Taking sides with Impa they protect the princess, they sneak and fight their way out of the castle and into town. They are headed off by the man in the desert and several guards, they sneak through alleys but eventually they are being chased. He stops and makes his final stand, he is mortally wounded but manages to slow the pursuers enough for Impa and the princess make it out.
It was like 11 pages lol.
F'n awesome, upload it if you still have it
had him pegged……
I used him to push a point of OoT being an allegory of entering adult hood for a media studies class in college, the fact that it’s the only on screen death other than Ganon and it just so happens to occur right before you enter the Temple of Time and become an adult, in his review my professor told me his daughter used to play the game and he would look over her shoulder from time to time and that my analysis brought back those memories for him
Haha so cool
I did one on the Characters in school once had the projector and even drew Link! As a Kid!
The Master Sword music was from having a mono speaker vs. Stereo speaker setup... There existed TVs that only had the yellow and white rca ports all the time. Nightmare Before Christmas had that too during the part where the mayor is announcing the awards after the opening song... I'm sure there are a ton of other examples, but OoT and NBC got played a LOT in my house back in the day
Yep Ganondorf and Twinrova themes are also a bit different.
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Ok
THIS IS SO REAL I WONDERED WHY I COULD NEVER HEAR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE WIND VOICE IN THIS IS HALLOWEEN
Mido originally being the Sage for the Shadow Temple actually makes a weird amount of sense!
The towns in the original Zelda II are named things like "Saria Town," "Darunia Town," and "Nabooru Town." There's also a town named after Mido.
Whether Mido was intended to be a Sage and the idea was scrapped last minute, or if he took after Link (in the Hero Defeated timeline) after having been jealous of him as a child, is up to interpretation.
I never noticed that the Kakariko Town music changes depending on Link's age... good video! Oot is such a nostalgia trip for me
Man, same here. I love it
Same.
Got it on 3 different consoles by now haha
I love how your videoes aren't trying to be all dramatic and spooky like a lot of iceberg vids. They're just these comfy looks through some really interesting trivia about games. Just really easy going, definitely appreciated on my break at work!
he literally uses an annoying voice filter to say "more on that later"? what are you talking about
@@TheEncountermusic it’s humorous
@@TheEncountermusic it’s supposed to be a joke about how other iceberg videos say more on that later in an ominous way i assume
"More on that later" is trying to be spooky. What do you mean? On top of that he uses spooky music tracks.
@@sublime_tv more on that later is a meme but I can see the spooky music part. I just think it adds to the atmosphere of what's going on, plus he doesn't use spooky music in some like Pokemon iceberg
The alternate jingle for pulling the Master Sword might've been from your friend not having their N64 plugged in properly. If they only had one of the two audio cords plugged in all the way, then you'd only hear half the jingle. The left and right parts of the song are vastly different. Without both playing simultaneously, it would be easy to think it's a different jingle entirely.
The fisherman just gets upset that you don't have the money and just takes the loss himself. I forget the exact words. But I'm pretty sure I was broke the last time I did it. Or maybe he just took what little I did have.
RCA cables.
@@bcl3341 Confirmed on an emulator wearing only the right earpiece that you just hear the twinkle and brass instruments in the song. Really amazing.
Yes! I distinctly remember thinking that the jingle was different when I played the Gamecube version!
Your theory is not too far fetched considering my Nintendo 64 was installed by two 6 yo 😅
It also wasn't uncommon for TVs in the 90s to only have a mono white input for audio.
I love the personal anecdotes. A lot of other iceberg videos focus on only speaking about the games, but hearing other peoples stories is much more interesting!
It's a pretty split opinion, some people comment how much they don't like them, but I don't see people do them as much in other iceberg videos, so I thought it'd be a unique addition when applicable.
i love staying up watching icebergs for one of my childhood games, seems like you put so much effort into these videos and i have no idea why you are so underrated, i honestly really wish that you get further in youtube
You can stay awake through these?
Something about these puts me to sleep
I just love this day and age. This whole youtube has me endlessly entertained
I’ve been finding so many high quality vids from sub 25k sub channels lately and it’s cool looking for word to our next generation of giants lol
@@JFTSwiertz thats how i fall asleep lol i watching the iceberg vids n sleep lol
It's the only way to unwind after a 16 hour working day
I think the Gerudo symbols on objects look better, but I prefer the original fire temple song and Ganondorf producing actual blood instead of his runny snot.
runny snot 💀💀
As a kid I thought it was vomit 😭
@@feitme
The Gerudo symbols are the ones that replaced the moon and stars.
@@feitme
I referred to the newer one as the "Gerudo symbol" because it _isn't_ the Islamic crescent moon and star (which Morrowind pulled off way better than Islam.)
@@theonlybilge “better then Islam” lmfao
As a German I'm absolutely proud to have had Killer Grandmas in my game. I just love how the German team translated the game, that's high peak German humor.
Sadly there's no my favourite painter from German reference in the game 😢
@@NetBattler He was from Austria
This section is now property of the federal republic of Germany.
@@johnappelqvist2792Cringe AF
And in Botw instead of mastercycle zero the German team called it the Eponator lol
personally I think the Fire Temple music without the chanting is MUCH creepier but nothing beats the sheer terror of The Well
True for sure!
Proud to say I still have my original gold cart of OOT that my dad got me for Christmas of 1998. Has that original Fire Temple music too. Shit slaps
Your dad loves you.
this put a smile on my face
I have my original gray cart as well but it's not a 1.0 version. I actually prefer the new fire temple music as i grew up with it and feel it has more depth on the song
@@sublime_tv the nostalgia is what counts!
Christmas 1998
Was the best ever - Ocarina of time and Turok 2 seeds of evil
21:00 I’d like to say that spending “more time than you’d like to admit” trying to kill Redeads with the Sun Song actually isn’t embarrassing at all; People trying crazy things like that is exactly how easter eggs get discovered.
For example, in Star Wars: Jedi: Fallen Order, there is an easter egg that requires activating a door that is only available to you once in the game 66 times plays a line of Darth Sidious executing Order 66. I’m not sure if this one was discovered genuinely or datamined, but there are many older games with easter eggs equally as inaccessible, if not more so, that people discovered simply by trial and error as you attempted.
One of my favorite quotes, from Albert Einstein, is: “The important thing is not to stop questioning.” Never stop asking questions. Great discoveries are made because of them.
This is such a sweet and positive comment. I absolutely agree, that's part of the magic of old games like this.
30:07 the masks actually trigger different dialogues depending on who you talk to, for instance, wear the zora mask and then talk to Ruto, she'll ask whether this means you're ready to marry her...
I had never herd of the term "iceberg" in this context. Wonder when it started. I've avoided watching this video for a while because I didn't want to watch 2 hours about the iceberg in Zora's domain.
That's hilarious.
You win in the best comment category 👏
@@mistysheppard7254 I try 😁
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the cucco in the windmill is there for a weird easter egg. Basically, you get up there, activate nayru's love, grab the cucco, fly toward the tree with the brothers, then talk to one of them and he'll talk about seeing it.
That guys referring to the blue light that takes you too and from the sages chamber.. you would have no reason to use nayrus love before jumping and if you don’t .. the guy still says what he says. He starts talking about seeing you ride a blue light out of the sky only after you beat the fire temple
came here to mention this, thanks
@@jacktacmac8819 I've always wondered what he was talking about. Ty.
You can fly to the roof where @NEScRETRO flew in the video, then hookshot to the house where he went. Jump down on the left side and inside the house you can collect the heart piece?
No, it's just a fun way to fly out of getting the heart piece
1:46:40 As I recall, I think the map is supposed to be a general layout of their offices, at the time, with the lower section being a subway station or street outside. And the text being translated as such. Although I saw this in another Zelda video.
Ay you're that guy that hates everything
Do you remember which video? I'd love to watch it
Love your animations
i´ve heard the same thing many years ago
Obligatory "hey you made that animation about Pokephilia, epic"
I remember the first time hearing the music change from kid to adult. I still find it magical for some reason. So good.
I always felt bad for the guard at the gate, because he commented that his son really likes that character. He wears that mask from that moment on saying that he'll give it to his son when he visits him, but he never takes it off meaning that his son never comes to see him. His son must be the kid at the graveyard.
I just thought this was a joke about an adult embarrassed his interests would be considered childish so he lied about it being for his son.
that's the universe I chose to believe lol@@agk4589
I thought the same thing about him find it for himself and acting like it was for his son LOL
So! A few things of note:
1. Regarding the Twinrova respawn: It's on a 10,000 frame timer, and yes, you can in fact get over 20 total hearts. See ZFG's 2020 AGDQ OOT glitch exhibition.
2. ARWings are spawnable without cheats, you can use ACE (arbitrary code execution) to load the ARWing from within the game.
3. Yes, you can enter Jabu Jabu as adult without hacks - he may be gone, but the loading zone still exists, but at a different location, so it's still possible to enter the loading zone and get into Jabu Jabu's Belly.
"WHAT HAPPENED AT JABU!?" -RG2489
I miss FrankerQ.
@UmiKaru and its easier than before to use it in OoT3D! Just walk off the ice on the left facing where Jabu Jabu would be. I was quite surprised when I heard that and I got it quite quickly when trying it.
Saying Arwings are spawnable through ACE and not cheats is a pretty moot point. Yeah, you could also turn Link into Spongebob if you really wanted to with ACE.
Depending on how you define a cheat too, ACE is cheating all on its own.
6:40 Hello! When you mentioned an alternative version of the song when Link is pulling the Master Sword out, it made me think of something I did as a child on accident. I was at a friends house, and we were playing with one of the RCA audio cables unplugged. I can’t remember if it was the left or right one. However, it made the song that plays when you pull the sword out VERY different. There were no string instruments throughout it, which causes it to lose about half of the notes it usually has. It definitely freaked me out at first, but I eventually realized one of the RCA cables was unplugged. I don’t know if this is what you heard at your friends house, but if you have OoT for the N64 I recommend trying this and seeing if it’s what you were hearing!
Edit: I can’t seem to replicate it. But I swear it had something to do with the AV cables. But it still sounded as I said- the entire song was the same minus no strings, so it was just the high chimes and the low brass(?) instruments.
No.
@@SuadeScars555 got me there, sorry
@@SuadeScars555 Stop. Sombreset is completely right. The left and right audio signals are vastly different from each other. Simply listening to the jingle with only the left or right side of your headphones on will prove that.
@@SuadeScars555 no, yourself
This is exactly what it was, depending on which cables you had plugged in for audio your soundtrack may be missing components of the music
Kakariko song: Directly an audio reference to the fact that Kakariko had become the main town of Hyrule after the castle was sieged by Ganondorf (When Link was in the Sacred Realm).
The one you heard as kid link is to show you its a smaller, laid back town as opposed to the hustle and bustle of Hyrule Town. When you return as Adult Link, and the majority of Hyrule Town moved to Kakariko, combined with the buildings being constructed getting completed over 7 years the main theme for kakariko changes to reflect the what happens to the town.
The Epona's Song bit with the cows is something you're directly told by Malon. I used to always go to the barn at Lon Lon Ranch to get free heals when I played
7:01 you’re definitely not crazy. I was certain there were different versions of the music for pulling/replacing the sword as well as the Prelude of Light. I realized later it had to do with the different TVs I heard it played on- some notes become way more obvious.
20 years later and i’m still learning cool new things about my favorite series ever!!! Thanks!
oh man, if you enjoy this then just wait till you jump down the rabbit hole that is OoT
@@thesilentmajority2765 I thought this video was a type of rabbit hole. Please do elaborate.
@@sublime_tv there's so much more it's unbelievable.
In regards to the gerudo mask, if ya wear it while talking to Nabooru the first time, she comments that it looks liker her before denying, implying she may be Talon’s wife
This is an amazing catch. That would explain why talon has red hair. Awesome 😎
@@jayantiraphael8655 You mean Malon.
@@Jotari yes. I use speech to text to corrected it
Honestly, I think Talon was just still waking up and randomly said that cuz he denies it after. Think about it; when we're tired or under the influence we can say dumb things that don't make sense.
Wait, so Mario actually ends up with a sexy gerudo?
That’s my dog! Hehahuhaha!
All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ!
As a German, who grew up with that game, I laughed really hard at the killer grannies. xDD
That sounds really dark lol
I believe the carpenter's son left Kakariko village because he has issues with family (not in search of the forest mushroom). It's implied that he's the "black sheep" of the carpenter family during child Link's interaction with him in the village at night. I believe the carpenter's son wanted the witch doctor to create a cure to prevent him from becoming a Stalfos. However, it was too late for him.
OOT was riddled with anomalies and rumours alike, and released during the infancy of the internet. I used to love going to websites such as ‘Oddities of Hyrule’ back in the day and learning about cryptic trivia.
Yes! Great times
Back when everything had its own website 😭 I miss it
I didn’t play OOT until a few months ago (I’m 37) but I definitely had this with pokemon red and blue. Rumors spread through school about pikablue, or mew. Good ol days
1:15:34 what "Devs intended SRM" is referring to is the Goron paintings on the walls of Goron City. When you do SRM, Link holds an invisible item with his hands over his head. The gorons in the paintings are doing the same pose. People have jokingly said this means the developers intended you to use SRM and the paintings were a hint
I just got into playing LoZ From my uncle It’s his favorite game franchise And I decided to try it out he told me to Play Ocarina of time as my first Game and I am loving the hell out of this game Even tho it’s an old game I’m loving the game I will definitely be playing all the other games sometime soon
What are you playing on, if you don't mind me asking.
@@bushspring im playing on mupen64 emulator for pc i would play it on my n64 but i dont have the power cord
Your uncle was wise to tell you OOT first. You're doing it right!
@@Ionevenknow999I'm playing through OOT right now, half way through the fire temple. I brought the cartridge off ebay for 50 bucks. I'm loving it too.
Did you beat the game? What did you think?
I'm surprised that no one mentioned this but a lot of this information is confirmed in the companion Ninetendo Guidebook that you had to purchase seperatley from the game. It had a complete walk through and would show you where the secrets were in the game, either as a little hint or tip or sometimes just flat out tell you. It directly says that the bottom of the well and the shadow temple are in fact the same temple that you complete as adult and child Link, much like the spirit temple
I would wager that the Arbiter's Grounds is probably creepier than the Shadow Temple for the context alone. The Shadow Temple may have been a catacomb where the dead are gathered and where the Sheikah torture victims, but considering the context of the Arbiter's Grounds and the events surrounding the Child Timeline, it's more than likely (to me) that the Arbiter's Grounds was used to enact a near-total genocide of the Gerudo people as punishment for Ganondorf's betrayal, which explains why they're all but disappeared in TP - but return in FSA. And even besides the fact that that's mostly conjecture, the Arbiter's Grounds was defined in the game as being a place where the guilty were either tortured or punished through execution or banishment to the underworld. I would imagine that's ominous enough.
The only way I could really see the Shadow Temple being scarier than it is, is if the torture was in the purpose of blood sacrifice and the Sheikah secretly enacted cult-like meetings to worship some profane blood god. So far though, it's been a pipe dream.
As I gather it.
The Shadow Temple is mostly a large seal for Bongo Bongo. Why someone decided that Bongo Bongo of all things was a threat that needed to be sealed by such a massive, complex, and expensive to both manufacture and to upkeep facility is beyond me, but, it largely seems like this was a grim end being fueled by the usual flow of skulduggery any large government has. At worst, it motivated the torture of already existing criminals. There ARE theories that it was Majora's Mask being sealed in there, but, that seems to be mostly unsubstantiated theorizing at best.
The Arbiter's grounds is a bit more ambiguous in terms of why it is the way it is. On the one hand, it's very possible that the entire reason the place is in the state it is is revenge on the part of Ganondorf. But... it's not like you see any Gerudo, either. But then things like the Stallord seem to long predate whatever happened there with Ganondorf. So, the place may have been built on top of an already spooky place, for some reason, like the spiritual power of the sages being coopted to seal a dangerous location, or the spiritual power of the location being used to fuel the sages being able to manifest. Or something along those lines.
Honestly, the history of the Arbiter's Grounds feels kinda, I dunno, anachronistic, like two or three time threads are moving through it, rather than one single thread linking everything, like the Shadow Temple feels like.
I feel a heart of opportunism in both places though, where there was an aspect of convenience welding the place together
Still get creepier vibes in the shadow temple.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I mean, to be fair with Bongo-Bongo, it IS inherently a massive, somewhat spectral-ghost-lite entity of immense power (enough it can give Link a somewhat good fight, anyhow). Frankly, just like almost ANY of the bosses past early game in Zelda, it would be a massive threat to anybody but the truly exceptional, like our plucky green hero or Ganon or the sages or whatever. Building a complex to seal them away, assuming they cant be killed easily or cost efficently, isn't necessarily unjustified. Especially considering the Shadow Temple seemed to serve as a general torture and training facility as well, making it dual purpose.
I’d always figured the Twili were the Gerudo.
Brother, have you seen the rooms and enemies in the Shadow Temple? The boss room (before and during the drop) has skulls all over it, not to mention the boss itself.
Lately I've really been into long videos, whether to watch/hear while drawing, to fall asleep to, or just have something other than a movie to watch. I'm sure it's not great for the algorithm but I appreciate your videos so much. Thank you for putting these out and entertaining us.
Also I noticed at 36:00 that her lips change color too!
i love long videos sm. i tend to put videos in the background as i play games. its hard to find good ones tho
Lately, the trend on CZcams has been longer videos because the algorithm likes them more
@@RyanStorey1231 What happened to the 10 minute videos then?
One of the most important things for CZcams is viewer retention. So if you are watching till the end a 2h video, is not bad, but very, VERY good for the algorithm
Yeah I noticed her lip color changing too was going to mention it.
The thing about the Forest Temple originally being Hyrule Castle actually was confirmed because Giles Goddard discussed Hyrule Temple having portal crystals in an interview, and he also separately shared a video of what was clearly the Forest Temple with those crystals. "The Obsessive Gamer" on CZcams showed both of these things at one point on his video discussing the first built of OOT.
Fun fact about the wall that can be climbed with the gold skultulla on it actually has a climbing texture in the 3D version.
19:07 You can crouch stab as an adult as well, despite you saying you can only do it as a child. The power crouch stab is good against many of the bosses as well. Mainly Phantom Ganon, Twinrova, Bongo Bongo, and Ganondorf.
I have no idea why I was an idiot and said this. Later in the video you can even see me doing the power crouch stab with the big Goron sword. I think when I was typing the script, I meant to just say it was mostly used as kid link, as the damage difference is significant, but oh well. I wish youtube let me update videos without needing to delete them entirely
@@NEScRETRO you're not an idiot. this video is awesome, and really well done :). Mistakes happen. Thank you for the awesome content man.
@@ZeranZeran i don't make the icebergs, I find charts people have made and simply discuss them, so even if there's a point that I don't think should be there, I still have to talk about it. I don't feel it's my place to remove a point when I'm using someone else's chart.
@@NEScRETRO you are not an idiot. You have great content you made a mistake, don't treat yourself so harshly. Love your videos keep going
@@NEScRETRO you did great! Don't be too hard on yourself!
A 2 hour video from an awesome channel about my favorite franchise? Laundry day just got 100% better.
A whole 2 hour iceberg for ONE GAME
That’s how you know it’s good.
Bubbles are the floating skulls come in various different forms depending on the flame that surrounds them. The flame protects the skull from damage and must be extinguished before you can attack one. You first encounter them in the Forest Temple and contain two variants, blue bubbles and green bubbles. Each variant has a different behavior mechanic. Blue bubbles will fly around and try to chase you. Using a shield to block them will get rid of the blue flame, allowing you to strike it. Green bubble kind of act as moving barriers, they will move in patterns that may slightly block Link's path and will not come after you. The green flame goes away periodically, requiring a little timing and patience to defeat them. There are also red bubbles that live in lava and are mostly encountered in places filled with lava, primarily death mountain crater and the fire temple. These are the ones that jump out of the lava when you stand on certain platforms and are invulnerable. A white bubble is a bubble without a fire, basically the easiest variant to kill.
I love the cows! We play this as a family thing all the time, and it’s my kids favorite still.
One of the saddest ties between OOT and Botw was the ranch ruins where Link crawled for the heart piece and cow and now is just a blocky ruin😭
Cow
Same, whenever I find OOT ruins in BOTW an overwhelming sense of sadness comes over me. Nostalgia is crazy.
@@PAKallman but it's a prequel 💀
@@JaydenWhite-qe3xs *no.*
I used to pretend that that little hole where the heart piece is was young link's secret impenetrable unfindable hideout from ganondorf lol
At 36:20 it's funny because I actually never wore any other tunic in the desert than the red one because I thought it would make link feel cooled off in the hot climate. Never would have noticed her changing colors like that in my life if not for this vid.
Pretty late on this, but another cool mandela effect thing I recently learned about, that even came into effect in this video at 18:05 is that there is not actually a fish named the "Hylian Loach" in the game. In OoT, the fish is called the "Hyrule Loach" while the "Hylian Loach" is in Twilight Princess. Even so, everyone I've ever heard mention it calls it the Hylian Loach.
You could add this to the shield except in reverse. I remember it as the Hyrule shield instead of the Hylian shield.
Your channel was recommended to me by the algorithm and well... I am addicted now.
Love your voice and your style. Your level of detail on the topics is perfect for listening to your content on my second screen while doing something (boring) else like playing DS.
Keep up your nice quality!
I gonna recommend your channel to a few friends :)
Have a good day mate!
You had no reason to go this hard on an Ocarina of Time iceberg video. The amount of effort you put into this video is staggering.
I love me some icebergs! Especially about Ocarina of Time ^^
Didn't expect to see you here lol
Someone mentioned this in the comments about the alternative version of the sword pulling jingle, but I used to experience this when I used an RF adapter for my N64, instead of the composite cables. You can change the sound from stereo to mono in the settings, and this would change the song depending on if you had mono or stereo speakers on your TV. Setting it to Stereo on a mono TV would give you just one half of the song, making it sound SUPER different. When I finally changed this to mono, it BLEW me away hearing the full song, it was beautiful.
i've always felt like the strange release of majoras mask and ocarina master quest with the original ocarina... these were endless quests in the video game role playing realm, and it hits hard if you're the kid who grew up receiving that. It's amazing, how similar is it to the release of wii/gc twilight princess and windwaker gc release giving you more than you could process in a few months after chirstmas; let alone your entire childhood. these games drove us to develop our attention-span and complete the most interesting, intriguing, mind-game driven by its secret mysterious nature ..
They knew how influential it was on us 20 years later with the release of breath of wild
they gave us not only what they promised in E3 2003 and spaceworld; an open world true to life zelda. They also gave us something close to the explorative nature of both ocarina's story, majoras mask timed influence, but also twighlight princesses explorative dungeon mechanics as well as the wind waker exploration thanks to climbing and hang-gliding the expansive spaces between finishing the game.
And as if that wasn't all enough... there are enough unique things inside of each game you can revist what you've forgotten and even complete the challenge the way it was meant to be with ocarinas master edition cartridge.
thank you, joe, for playing it and showing me your n64 collection of not only zelda but it's master quest and majors mask... I think that really opened my eyes to what I was missing. - that kid that came over to your house a lot
Kaepora Gaebora is still around when Link is an adult; he's shown hanging around when you learn the Requiem of Spirit. I still think he and Rauru are the same being though. Love your iceberg videos!
They are
So... Rauru was behind everything.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 "Kaepora's the key to all this...if we can get Kaepora working...
'Cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in the games before"
I love that you played the Forest Temple music for the video 🥰 it’s by far my favorite music from OoT.
Agreed, very ethereal and eerie, if I recall it was sampled and remixed from an African chant, accompanied by a type of flute. Always sounded like a violin to me.
It's one of the most scariest tracks in the game but it is an amazing song.
@@Goetterdaemmerung86 I could see it sounding like a violin, but it always sounded like a distorted human voice doing a chant or maybe is in some type of agony.
I didn’t want this video to end, I feel so comfortable watching these. Saved it for a cold winters night and glad I did. Can’t wait to watch your newer ones man, great work. I like the little asides you make giving your opinion about how it might be/work, it’s fun
Fun tidbit that the Temple Order remidned me of, if you manage to clear Jabu Jabu before Dondongo's Cavern(recommending the Golden Scale early glitch), there is actually dialogue acknowledging which order you got the Stones in. I'm not certain how many versions this is possible in, but I tend to do this whenever I break out the old Gold cartridge. It's kinda just fun to do them out of order.
you really have no idea how much i love these videos. it seems like most iceberg related channels skip entrees or just play the role of the guy that says "yeah this theory is just kinda dumb" to everything. despite your videos being literal hours long i find myself rewatching them multiple times each.
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Using this or other infinite heart piece glitches in the game DOES allow you to get over 20 hearts, they even display on the file select screen, you can actually get so many hearts on the file select screen they will start displaying over certain other textures like the Medallions and Spiritual Stones, plus random areas as well, it even works in Majora's Mask too!
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The Dampe Heart Piece is the only one I never ever got as a kid. I never figured out why I was always 1 off my full heart set, and I spent weeks as a kid redoing every single other heart piece
And the only one I never got was Dampe's
I now know why. Thank you
52:00 You actually can attack them from behind just like you would be able to with regular skulltullas. They don't "take damage" per se but they do get stunned for a moment and cry out in agony. After attack them this way, they will attack link which knocks him back and I believe he takes damage from it
The OoT and MM video that you did is my favorite, Seeing a new OoT iceberg video from you has made my day.
Would you ever consider doing any other Zelda games? Would love to see what you could dig up for Twilight Princess
Ah man, there's plenty of things I can think of at the top of my head. Some of them being obvious quality of life improvements and others not quite so obvious. TP is full of cool little details that can go unnoticed
@@MegaNancyLover quality of life that they added in the HD version? I've only beaten the original once and would like to play it again one day.
@@sublime_tv No, i'm talking about the original release. It features plenty of QOL improvements that were new to the series.
Also - I'm not sure if it was mentioned in this video - but there is a circle of rocks shown in the opening of Zelda on the start screen near the rock wall beside Lon Lon Ranch - It's not there as an adult but it's there in the opening scene.
Something I've wanted to look into while secret hunting.
1:03:57 As someone who HAS played the master quest, I can tell you without any uncertainty that the cows inside jabu-jabu's belly will most definitely give you milk if you play Epona's song. And they are not dead because, ya know, the mooing.
Yay more content from you,I really miss your content,so this is a huge treat and I'm also glad you got to collaborate with sunflower on these videos,kinda feel poetic almost
I just want to point out that the sound clip used to replace the chanting in Fire Temple 1.2 is *very* similar to a part in the Shadow Temple's music.
I noticed this awhile ago and wondered if there was supposed to be some sort of connection, or if it was just a reused sound sample. The new Fire Temple music is still made to sound the same as the original, just without the chanting, and the 2 temple's music tracks still share that similarity. I recommend listening to both side by side to get a better idea of what I mean.
If my memory serves, Volvagia is a very old being that was recently ressurected. If I'm not making a mistake, Volvagia was very distantly a more benign entity, but became entwined with the Gorons in a negative way at some point, and it began terrorizing them until Volvagia got bonked the first time.
In that vein, both the Shadow temple and Fire temple serve similar purposes, as sacrificial altars, the main difference being the Shadow Temple is a structure meant to contain what was in there, while the Fire Temple merely housed its master, and both wound up becoming cemeteries in their own way. The Shadow Temple to everyone that died to fuel the seal, the Fire Temple to its slain ruler, and I guess also the Gorons it ate over the years before getting bonked.
I don't THINK any of the other temples served this purpose, sacrifice seems to be limited to those two.
It's just a reused sound that is within OOT's MIDI soundfont. It's like how the Water Temple music uses the same wood chime sound effects as the Forest Temple, except they are sped up and pitch shifted 4x faster.
That original Fire Temple chant music gave me chills. It sounds so creepy.
this video has convinced me to replay oot… i have it on my 3ds but havent played it in well over a decade :”) now that im finally playing botw i think i owe oot a replay
OH MY GODDDDDD YESSSS!!!!!!!
*earbuds in - gets ready to clean with great material to listen to
I always loved everything about the Shadow Temple part of the game, so I saved it for last every time I played the game. I had no idea until years later that you could do that with many of the other temples, too.
I loved creepy stuff when I was younger, so the well/shadow temple part of the game was my favorite. A funny memory I'll share with you, when I was10-11 and first got LOZ:OOT, I had a really old TV (one that literally had rudimentary dials on it for channels and volume,lol) and it the brightness was so incredibly low, it was almost impossible to see the darker parts of the game, like most of the forest temple and shadow temple, lol
these iceberg videos are amazing crazy there are still things to discover in the game that I didn't know about despite being such a advent fan of the game, well done!
Just discovered your videos recently and they are all so awesome. I can see you have real passion and put a lot of work into these. I hope you keep making more in the future. Thank you for the content.
The simplest explanation for Stale Reference Manipulation is that whenever you use an item, the game writes an IOU and puts it in its pocket for latter use. However, crafty players and speedruners pulled a prank on the game and put a different IOU paper from earlier in the game's pockets without the game realizing.
Arbitrary Code Execution is the players putting a burger coupon instead and completely messing up the game however they want.
That's the best "explain it like I'm 5 years old" explanation I can come up with.
That could not have confused people any more if you tried
I’m blown away that you uploaded this today. I had been saving your first iceberg video to watch in one sitting when in had the time and that just so happened to be this morning. I’ve never seen any other video of yours, but I was blown away by the thoroughness! And now I have another 2 HOUR VIDEO to enjoy! Nice
I remember spending years looking for the Triforce in this game. Back in the day everyone assumed that the Triforce was hidden somewhere in the game and we all spent hours days months or even years looking for it, but it was never found. Many rumors and fake photos were all over the internet showing strange clues about the Triforce whereabouts. I vividly remember that the best bet for everyone was on the Gerudo desert where a strange shaped pyramid could be seen on the horizon, but of course it was all bullshit. Many years later the game was fully decoded and no trace of the Triforce has been found.
I found the lava fall secret as a kid. It just spoke to me and I went for it. I don't even remember the first time I found it. I just knew since the beginning of recorded history.
I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but the ability to access title card save file is used in skyward sword, twilight princess, and wind waker speedruns (referred to as back in time, BiT). this allows certain unobtainable places to be accessed early to load story flags. this is just one of the uses of BiT, i thought it was interesting and worth mentioning.
I find these videos very relaxing and satisfying, probably because they transport me to those childhood days when I literally could not stop thinking about / playing these games. Thank you for giving us such joy!
I think the cuccoo at 31:06 is meant to be used to enter the cow's barn.
Jumping down from the roof to the ledge is not typical Zelda dungeon design, which is why I think the devs intended the cuccoo to be used to reach this heart piece.
Use Nayrus Love and float down to the two guys arguing by the tree and talk to them -- you'll get unique dialogue
The Talons wife thing is obviously a hilarious joke they put in there 😂😂
The differences in song you mentioned when pulling the master sword reminds me of how, if you were playing on a tv without stereo sound with only one sound channel coming through, you'd only get part of the music, giving it a much different sound.
This was another enjoyable and overall great video from you, great job! Thanks for the shout outs too B)
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This is from my experience only, but when I tried to use Din's Fire on the White Bubbles in the Spirit Temple, my game would always freeze and crash. It's possible that they were removed from Master Quest for that reason.
1:06:08 debug refers to anything used mainly for development. It does not mean only for a debug menu. Because this code was mainly intended to be used by the developers its refereed to as a debug
Power crouch stab works for adult. Simple test to verify: swing hammer and then crouch stab a boulder.
For Dampe's heart piece, Grezzo's solution for the 3DS was to let Dampe dig up infinitely many heart pieces.
If you decide to do something like this again, I recommend using the GZ practice rom. It has some cool features, like a hitbox and collision viewer so you can more clearly show off stuff like the hole in Darunia's room.
The Gerudo clothes also match if you get a glitched color tunic like black. They also match the color flashing effect of bombs & chus if you pull one out.
Rando has an option to make bunny hood fast like in MM. It doesn't have the momentum conservation for jumps, but it may get added at some point.
You can have more than 20 hearts, the only thing that messes up is how the game displays them and I think you just outright crash if you have too many.
It's called Master Glitch because the community was terrible at naming things back in the day, at least according to ZFG.
Say you're on playing on save file 1. You can use SRM to apply the title screen save file equipment and flags to your currently active Link. Saving then applies all of that to your save file, 1 in this case.
SRM do be wild. As for devs intending it, that's referring to the paintings in Goron City where the Gorons are dancing with their hands up in a very similar pose to what Link does when doing SRM. Also, it's important to note that the _Leever Armor_ video is the earliest known instance of someone doing SRM but happened like a decade before SRM was truly found/looked into/understood.
_epona hopping a fence_ turns 16 on the 29ᵗʰ, be sure to go tell it happy birthday :).
While we don't have actual implementations for some of the missing medallion spells, we do have text descriptions from one of the leaks that describes what the devs were thinking. Fire is essentially just Din's, Water/Ice would be like Din's except with ice, Wind is essentially just Farore's, Spirit would turn you in to a fairy like in Zelda II, Light would affect Stalfos similar to how Sun's affects Redeads, and Shadow would work like Nayru's Love and Stone Mask. There's actually a fanmade romhack that tries its best to implement all of this and more as faithfully as possible. It's called something like Spaceworld '97 demo recreation.
Lol, Sexy Thermo Hexy. Name fits pretty well.
My favorite "beat Runnerguy" hoax is to start the race, become child, go to the bridge, and then leave your console on for 7 in-game years, or about 6 days 19 hours and 20 minutes.
The entrance to Jabu Jabu still exists as adult, it's just in the ice that covers where his mouth was as child. You can use some bomb super speed/mega jump shenanigans to clip in to the ice and hit the load zone to enter Jabu as adult.
9-to-5 rock is perhaps Grezzo's magnum opus of how to patch something out. Basically, they put a rock to block you from going to BotW early, but it only exists during the day time.
Yeah, I stupidly forgot to go back and put a note saying that YES, you can do it as an adult. later in the video, I'm even doing it with the big goron sword against some redeads, so, I don't know what the hell I was thinking saying that only kid link can do it. i hate making mistakes like that.
Meh, not a huge deal, no need to beat yourself up over it. I was in the middle of watching when you replied and added a few more points to my comment since. All in all, good video. Would be cool if someone made a port that incorporates all of these iceberg entries when decomp finishes, though that would be a huge effort.
When I was a kid, I somehow hit the Jabu Jabu loading zone as an adult.
I don't think I tried to do any of the dungeon, I think I just panicked and tried to get out, but I remember doing it.
No idea how, unfortunately. Not like I can even do bomb flips now.
A theory for the different sword drawing songs might just be your friend’s TV having odd audio quality. Today we have HD speakers/headphones but back when the game was new sound systems weren’t quite as good
Yeah, I've encountered this on a few N64 games, where I have a childhood memory of a tune that just isn't correct, but may have been what an old, somewhat defective TV output.
Kokiri Forest, Mario Party 1 when you're making a game, Metal Mario, I think it's the Likitung minigame from Pokemon Stadium, and I think one of the lava levels from Kirby 64 all have a few incorrect notes in my memory, and most of them, when I think about it, are where the song has extra or more complicated notes than I remember.
It could have been, for example, that the games were trying to run on Stereo (remember when selecting Stereo or Mono was a thing!) but some of the sounds that should have been sent to the other side were just being lost, or something.
listening to this as I play Ocarina of Time is so fun.
Your OOC videos are so awesome!!! Thank you a lot! I enjoy them very much, after a long day at work I grab a beer and watch your OOC iceberg videos. Lets me dive deep into another world.
BANGER video and I'm not even halfway through.
34:05 I could be wrong, but doesn’t the shaft in Daruinia’s chamber act as an exit from the Fire Temple? I have a weird memory of seeing people fall into this room from the fire temple, but I might be confused.
I love your icebergs. Something so relaxing about the way you make them that helps me to unwind for sleep. I look forward to many more.
That bit with the Kakariko music being different with time made me a bit emotional. It reminds me that, even if I visit my childhood home now… it may be similar, but it will never be the same.
Im so thankful to see you go even deeper into this. Thank you for continuing to make content
1:37:35 There is a way without hacks! Iirc, you have to shuffle around a very specific corner of the area Jabu's mouth used to be and, if done correctly, it will port you inside. There's plenty of videos on it I'm sure, whether or not this is doable in both versions or specific to one, I can't remember.
Bit late to the party, but if we're accepting outside sources, there's another supporting point for the forest temple being the wind temple.
In WindWaker, the kokiri forest is presumably the same forest just now full of koroks. One of them is the wind sage, and the sage before him was a kokiri.
Yes in TCM the element for Air is Wood. We are told that the explanation for this is that the Chinese didn't have a good conception for the invisible, or how to represent air in their 5 element system.
That being said, OOT seems to equate forest elements/energy with Earth over and over again. And with the medallion system we have Forest (Earth), Fire, Water, Spirit (which could also be considered Air), Darkness/Shadow, and Light, and then at the center the 7th "element" being the Triforce (Aether/Source).
Something that's interesting about the medallions' emblems is that there is almost a correlation to the Platonic Solids in symbolic nature. Even the order you get them in (if you go in the order the game encourages you to) is similar to how the elements relate to the chakra system, and the order they take ascending, and their correlated elements. Almost...but not quite succinct.
Hard-pressed to find anything to add to this other than it's impressive that you made such a definitive video on OoT and Majora's Mask and then went back to plumb the depths of Ocarina of Time! Great as always!
I always look forward to your new videos!! They’re some of the best on CZcams and I truly mean that.
well, now i know what i'll be watching for the next 2 hours!
Would be great to see how this iceberg stacks up against OoT3D in terms of what was fixed and what was added on top of it all
I'm guessing the odd Mushroom thing is left over or is actually a intended way to save the carpenters son in the woods intending for you to have the necessary warp songs as to beat the timer and get medicine and then meet the son creating a time Paradox.
It probably has the carpenters son say "Thanks, but how did you know I needed help?" Acknowleding that you've beaten the game before and have in fact creating a Paradox by changing what was meant to happen.
Also as for the file on title screen, it's actually used a lot in some any% speedrunners categories and and 100% sub category where you just go and upgrade all the items ad Links has all the warp songs and you can grab the light arrows early and then skip to Ganondorf's castle and beat the game and if I remember correctly beating this file can either cause a new 4th save file to appear which swaps child and adult Link's places causing child Link to get the unused child master sword (which has triforce on it instead of a kokir emblem) and hold the hylian shield like a normal shield like he does in the debug menu maps if you choose child Link. I've only ever gotten the them switching timeline place effect once. The other effect is that the file could overwrite the first file of the game and whenever you load it you end up I the field on Epona but all the items got ate still on you and you can go kill Gannon again if you want and of course all the side quest are still unbeaten despite having all of the items.
Now back to child master sword, I personally use this as evidence of a light temple actually being a thing once I've mention it let's him hold the bigger shields like a normal shield and here's the kickers if you got to the debug map I mention and find the bow he can actually use it while in this state and collecting the bow gives him the light arrows in his inventory which he can use if you pick up some arrow and fyi the game fully acknowledges that you are child Link and have these items equipped even having the master sword automatically selected as his weapon but he still can't use the hammer or the hookshot which heavily implies the light temple was a thing and if you remember Raru mentioned something about Gannon doing something to him which alludes more to the fact of it existing at one point. Gannon probably trapped us there and Raru saved Link's soul and sense Link pulled the master sword, his soul manifested a smaller version of the sword that resembled the kokir sword but had the triforce symbol on it and sense you'd be having the hylian shield by then Raru gave him the ability to hold it. And the reason Raru thanks Link for "saving me" just shows that there was a temple at one point but it was cut with the Zelda 64 assets accidentally being over written by the Star fox 64 and the cutscence with Raru, the child master sword and abilities that come with it are left overs of said temple.
I'd also like to point out that in the giga leak they found a strange room appearing to be a back courtyard with a pipe leading to fountain which is not found in any version of the game or even Zelda 64 information meaning it was probably apart of the light temple and the textures where overwrote by the star fox 64 data on the cartridge.
In regards to the Adult Link gerudo mask thing well once again going back to the giga leak they found another gerudo that had 2 diverging paths one leading to the desert and the fortress and there's a few patches of grass around and you can walk across the bridge hinting to it maybe being the orginally planned child gerudo desert as the gerudo have the fortress entrance open and they found what appears to be a part of the fortress having a ladder leading to that high up area and then the giga leak had the normal gerudo desert which did in fact have a AL in front of it's file suggesting it was only meant to be in the Adult timeline which would add up with the gerudo saying the dessert used to be prettier and the giga leak had something that suggested that after the light temple Link wouldn't be able to become a child again and instead would be able to use the song of time to travel to the past hence the gerudo mask having a effect as giga leak fortress doesn't have a gate to the dessert. This also explains one of the effects that I said could happen if you beat the game on the title screen file.
Also yes MM is Zelda Gaiden as it has all the OOT and items from zelda Gaiden in it's files and they all work as orginally planned that's actually how MM was made in just a year.
[Sorry I know I wrote a lot just had a lot of them I wanted to talk about.]
If you meet certain criteria, like having the slingshot upgrade from the deku scrub and the silver scale but not upgrading them further, and then you do a glitch to cast a lure but maintain control of link, you can manipulate bottles into giving you different colored gloves with green being if you do the glitch with the goron bracelet, blue gloves if you have the silver ones and red ones if you have the gold ones. If you do some more glitches to skip the goron's bracelet you can even get some black ones. All of them have the same strength as the gold gauntlets.
With the redead mourning/consuming ...it's weird. They stand up after the dead redead has faded away so they could be leaving the site after the redead has gone or the dead redead has gone because they were consumed and they didn't have the engine to show the dead redead disappearing piece by piece
I have been playing this game for like 19 years and I keep finding out about new things.. Such an amazing game, no wonder I keep coming back to play it on my 3ds regularly
Amazing video, I came in thinking "oh it's just the usual basic facts" but was surprised with so much new finds and listings, really solid video, great job!