Where are Ned Stark's bones?

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  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 Před měsícem +854

    Wherever bones go, I suppose

  • @ChickenNugNugz2
    @ChickenNugNugz2 Před měsícem +354

    Victarion has them and when he blows the dragon horn Ned Stark's bones will reanimate and do the monster mash in front of the gates of Meereen. It will be such a smash that all sides will put down their arms and join in

  • @evanthesquirrel
    @evanthesquirrel Před měsícem +187

    Before watching I will say with absolute confidence that Ned Starks bones stopped at the neck.

    • @Corndogg316
      @Corndogg316 Před měsícem

      Ahhh I see what you did there. You’re a wicked man. 🫡 Never change

    • @incanusolorin2607
      @incanusolorin2607 Před měsícem +11

      😂😂

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs Před měsícem +15

      I didn't know it was possible to laugh and groan at the same time until I read this.

    • @Dyundu
      @Dyundu Před měsícem +12

      The fact that I fully got this joke makes me realize I have finally become a proper fan of this series.
      Also shame on you 😂

    • @MetaMantiss
      @MetaMantiss Před měsícem +11

      *slowclap*

  • @austinhall3937
    @austinhall3937 Před měsícem +233

    What's crazy is how often something isn't known "Howlan Reed" gets brought up.
    What's crazier is how realistic all those chances are.

    • @Andy7781
      @Andy7781 Před měsícem +6

      yes! great video btw...... now when the hell will GRRM finish this epic story 😢😢

    • @xenosaga8436
      @xenosaga8436 Před měsícem +11

      @@Andy7781 Never. It's been 13 years since A Dance with Dragons came out.There's still no word on when Wind of Winter is coming out. He has at least one more book after Winds of Winter. I don't know how he's going to get Dany to Westeros without rushing that storyline.

    • @maud8392
      @maud8392 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@xenosaga8436he has already started writing the last book, the winds of winter is being edited as we speak, weird how you don't want the stories to be rushed but want him to rush his process

    • @xenosaga8436
      @xenosaga8436 Před měsícem +3

      @@maud8392 sure it has. weird that you think 13 years is rushing a book.

    • @maud8392
      @maud8392 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@xenosaga8436 rushing a book is releasing it when it's not finished, which is what you're suggesting. GRR Martin has confirmed as much and he has released finished chapters from the book, which he wouldn't do if it wasn't in an advanced stage, not hard to understand

  • @Mckadow
    @Mckadow Před měsícem +49

    They are inside Sean Bean.

  • @asuka7309
    @asuka7309 Před měsícem +108

    Ned's Bones are on a luxury cruise through the Stepstones on a well-deserved vacation after such a tumultuous career

    • @whatdisd
      @whatdisd Před měsícem +5

      They mean to bend his knees to Daenerys

    • @stillobsolete
      @stillobsolete Před měsícem +1

      Haha. Love it.

  • @The_1_witness
    @The_1_witness Před měsícem +124

    Holland Reed watches over the bones of his friend. He sent his kids to guard the Stark boys now he will watch over his friend till he can be returned home.

  • @FroxArchives
    @FroxArchives Před měsícem +217

    Bloodraven did it.

    • @aegorbittersteel2154
      @aegorbittersteel2154 Před měsícem +9

      As always

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +9

      Unsubstantiated hearsay against my boy BRaven

    • @marjoe32
      @marjoe32 Před měsícem +7

      A thousand bones in one

    • @kineticstar
      @kineticstar Před měsícem +7

      ​@ThommyofThenn tbf, he has set multiple precedent. When in doubt and in Westros, Blood Raven did it.

    • @jonathanyaloussa
      @jonathanyaloussa Před měsícem +2

      ​@@kineticstar I came here to say the same thing. When in doubt, and in Westeros, assume Blood Raven did it, indeed.

  • @theostarr2915
    @theostarr2915 Před měsícem +89

    Where are Rob Starks bones, that’s what’s always nagged at my mind

    • @ThailandOutsider
      @ThailandOutsider Před měsícem +42

      I'd guess a massive grave somewhere near the Twins sadly 😓

    • @VeroTesta
      @VeroTesta Před měsícem +19

      @@ThailandOutsider or thrown in the Trident =(

    • @poopbone666
      @poopbone666 Před měsícem +6

      His head is sewn on the mountains shoulders

    • @Stillplayswcars273
      @Stillplayswcars273 Před měsícem +4

      We know where is head is🤔

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Před měsícem +4

      That's a good point ..
      Especially because no one seems to care at that time..

  • @genlob
    @genlob Před měsícem +49

    If the King's Justice took Ned Stark's bones to Greywater Watch, however, that would be a Payne in the Neck.

  • @afnanbogey
    @afnanbogey Před měsícem +17

    Ned’s bones coming home sound like a satisfying quiet moment. I think that’s all they’re for tbh.

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +1

      Or to be reanimated as a stone giant

    • @afnanbogey
      @afnanbogey Před měsícem

      @@inthefade I’m totally with some reanimated Starks from the crypts moment, but I think GRRM might find that a bit undignified for The Ned. In fact, that might be why his bones are awol: to spare him from such a thing.

  • @katyalupochev9589
    @katyalupochev9589 Před měsícem +37

    No wonder Barbrey Dustin hates Ned. Not only did he neglect tonbring back her husband’s remains, but he DID bring back HIS HORSE. Imagine? “Hey Babs, your husband died. Can’t say why. No, I won’t tell you where. Anyway, heres his 2003 Toyota Corolla back. Few extra miles on it … so we good?”

    • @jayteeblues
      @jayteeblues Před měsícem +4

      So funny!

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +12

      What is interesting is that this is another case where Ned would have obviously brought home the bones or told Barbery where her husband was, but clearly he is bound by some more important secret that won't allow him to do either.

    • @totalCoolerUsername
      @totalCoolerUsername Před měsícem +1

      😂😂😂

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Před měsícem +2

      Well ..the horse walked on it's own, the bones wouldn't...:)
      But i still think his refusal to bring the bones were shortsighted...
      The daynes could have sent them by boat and what secrets could be learned by bones?

    • @jackbelmont4389
      @jackbelmont4389 Před měsícem +2

      😂😂😂 "the gas is still full"

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +66

    The "hooded man" encounter is fascinating for several reasons. Theon doesn't see him as a stranger yet doesn't seem to recognise him at the same time. I think at this point, Theon is, like you mentioned, so psychologically warped and lost in his own mind that he might not be fully cognisant of what's going on around him as something of a defence mechanism. His subconcious recall tells Theon the man is not a stranger, yet his mental fog resulting from intense torture is occupying so much of his mind's "processing power" as it were, that he doesn't make the connection. While I tend to think the man was real, I have entertained the notion that he is a "shadow person" of the sort that people in delirious frames of mind have reported seeing for years. The experience is actually quite similar to Theon's confrontation with this man. He wears a dark hood or wide hat, one does not recognise him fully, yet you know deep down that he's somehow familiar. Despite that sense of familiarity, the encounter with hatman is invariably eerie if not totally threatening, with the apparition taunting in ways seemingly designed to cause the most psychological distress. It wouldn't be the first time that trauma or injury has caused a bizarre 'waking dream' or 'vision' for a character in these books.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs Před měsícem +5

      Speaking from experience as a therapist, that sort of response to severe stress and trauma doesn't just happen in books. Your comment sort of referenced this, but it can absolutely happen to anyone under the right (terrible) circumstances.
      Hell, it's even happened to me, after losing both parents suddenly, within three months of each other. The brain can do some very strange things.

    • @connor4435
      @connor4435 Před měsícem +5

      I’ve always enjoyed the theories about the hooded man but I can’t get behind the idea of him not being real for the simple reason that Theon KNOWS he’s not a kinslayer and so if the hooded man was a creation of his own mind it wouldn’t call him that

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +3

      @@thing_under_the_stairs I think Martin enjoys adding real health issues and psychological responses into his work to further add to the realism of the series. In other words, I think it's safe to say he included it because he knew we could analyse it through the lens of our modern understanding of psychology, such as it is.
      And sorry that happened with your parents. I've been able to prepare for it in recent years as they are both getting quite long in the tooth, yet the thought of it still devastates me constantly. I can't imagine the effect a sudden loss would have had on you. Thanks for sharing your own experiences and making it a part of our endeavour to figure out the world of Ice and Fire my friend🤓

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +1

      @@connor4435 I really appreciated the first reply here and i think it serves as a response to this comment as well. The mind is still a mysterious place for us and after what he's been through, I'd wager Theon's mind would be even more illusive.

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +5

      While this is interesting, I think it is far more likely that GRRM would have put a real character in this role to advance the plot in the vague and ambiguous way he always does.

  • @Tiroth77
    @Tiroth77 Před měsícem +11

    Winds of Winter better come out soon!
    Seemingly out of nowhere, someone at work asked me about the difference between the show and the books.
    I got sucked back in to all the lore and theories.

    • @OJ9992
      @OJ9992 Před měsícem +1

      Same, I’ve been out of the ASOIAF world for a while now but seeing one of Robert’s vidoes pop up for the first time in ages sucked me back in. Need to resume my read through of the books too, I’m on part two of Storm.

  • @kinnundo6434
    @kinnundo6434 Před měsícem +65

    GRRM had to write the bones out otherwise Ser Jeremy of house Kyle could do a DNA test and find that Jon isn’t Ned’s son at all, and that would throw everything out of wack

  • @GregMcNeish
    @GregMcNeish Před měsícem +25

    The Crannogmen intercepting the Silent Sisters and shepherding them to safety was always where I went when considering Ned's bones. So much has been made throughout the story of Howland Reed and his importance to Ned, the Tower of Joy, and the babe that is certainly Jon Snow, he just has to become involved somewhere, and being revealed as the keeper of Ned's bones until they can be safely interred beneath Winterfell is just too perfect. For the second time, Howland Reed will be the sole reason that Ned Stark returns home....
    My personal nagging feeling - and I really have nothing more to back this up with - is that Ned's remains will become tied up with Lady Stoneheart before things are said and done. Ned & Cat both had their lives cut short be treachery, and both had their deaths rites interrupted. It feels right that they would be intertwined somehow as the magic in the world continues to increase.

    • @dromankass8655
      @dromankass8655 Před 22 dny +1

      That's a very good theory - all Stark Lords are laid to rest in the Winterfel Crypts, with a sword across their statue to prevent their spirit from walking. But Ned didn't reach the crypt, and no iron blade holds his spirt in check.
      It would make a nice end to Cat's arc, in Book Seven her undead vengeful Lady Stoneheart character being confronted by the spirit of Ned Stark.
      'In Death all falsehoods can now be set aside - Sansa, Arya and Bran all live, and have returned to Winterfel, Jon was never my son, but my nephew, and is loyal to our family as I was always faithful to you. Your brother is alive and will rule Riverrun and your nephew the Vale. Come, lets us depart this world together, and go to join Rob and Rickon in the next world - a place of green weirwood trees, with smiling faces, and a warm summer that never ends.'
      And Lady Stoneheart took his hand in hers and they vanished from the world.

  • @calebesagaz5226
    @calebesagaz5226 Před měsícem +31

    I have a theory: it is shown throughout the books that it is important that the Stark bones remain in the crypts after their death, and that their respective statues and iron swords keep their souls imprisoned, an ancient tradition. Perhaps the fact that Ned Stark's bones do not reach Winterfell's crypts will release something bad for Winterfell or the entire North. It's an ancient tradition, perhaps from the time of the First Men, and we know that the Starks have First Men blood and a likely connection to the Others. Perhaps the fact that Eddard's bones do not reach Winterfell is the bad omen that will herald the fall of the Boltons and, as is always said, the North remembers.

    • @artyjnrii
      @artyjnrii Před měsícem +6

      Equally, the bones of Benjen (and presumably some other Nights Watch Starks) are lost north of the wall.

    • @pandapotato5121
      @pandapotato5121 Před měsícem +1

      ​@artyjnrii in the first book it says that only the lords of winterfell are buried down there. When Lianna is brought up it says that her father specifically pushed to have her buried down there too.
      That makes sense logistically too since having every single Stark burried down there would be far too many people

    • @lperezherrera1608
      @lperezherrera1608 Před 9 dny +1

      ​@@pandapotato5121Ned pushed for her to be buried there, their father had been dead for a while when she died.

    • @CliffTooth
      @CliffTooth Před 6 dny

      Did the bones of his father and brother make it? Weren’t they burnt

  • @DINOROAR2912
    @DINOROAR2912 Před měsícem +10

    Only just started the video, but I'm better the answer is, "No idea, but theres a good case to be made for Howland Reed having intercepted them for safekeeping"

  • @MeeraReads
    @MeeraReads Před měsícem +14

    "Ned's bones are in Meereen" - Glidus

    • @amellirizarry9503
      @amellirizarry9503 Před měsícem +1

      Damn, really? 😂 in which video?

    • @MeeraReads
      @MeeraReads Před měsícem +2

      @@amellirizarry9503 one of the livestreams with Schwifty. He was like 90% joking (I think … 👀)

  • @ginamariep4948
    @ginamariep4948 Před měsícem +14

    Dude is still alive. Thats why Ned only brought a horse back to Lady Dustin.

    • @JorginhoTerceiro
      @JorginhoTerceiro Před měsícem +7

      I believe that too. Ned was too much of an honored man to "forget" his bones or even let there in purpose. Otherwise, Ned lies not only about Lyanna and Jon's true parentage. He lies a lot more.

    • @ginamariep4948
      @ginamariep4948 Před 28 dny

      @JorginhoTerceiro I mean, he had to at some point stop and think why were they told his sister was kidnapped, but yet here she is telling him she went willingly. Lyanna expressed to Ned that she frowns on Robert, so Ned knew. Ned must have had a plan running in the background. He had already had his fight with Robert at this point. I hope George addresses this hole.

    • @carlschultz1538
      @carlschultz1538 Před 14 dny

      I'm thinking that too, and that's a big piece of the puzzle. Why would neglect such a custom force loyal bannerman? Why he would do this would answer so much (I also like to think he and Arthur Dayne are still alive somehow)

    • @lperezherrera1608
      @lperezherrera1608 Před 9 dny

      ​@@carlschultz1538When Ned's remembering the tower of joy in his fever dream, he phrases it as "only two lived to ride away". To me this implies that more people survived the battle, but died afterwards. Some say Arthur Dayne committed suicide for disobeying the last order from Rhaegar (not letting anyone through, when Ned clearly did).
      Given that Howland was there I could also see some kind of old gods blood magic sacrifice, probably to keep Lyanna and Rhaegar's baby alive. I think it's plausible that most of the people there would've willingly sacrificed themselves for that, and it'd explain why Ned didn't bring their bones nor give any explanation.

  • @christopherlewis1315
    @christopherlewis1315 Před měsícem +13

    Everybody asks WHERE are Ned's bones....
    Nobody asks HOW are Ned's bones. 😢

    • @egnatius79
      @egnatius79 Před měsícem +3

      WHY are Ned's bones?

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +2

      WHAT are Ned's bones?

    • @aromusbaspet9032
      @aromusbaspet9032 Před měsícem +1

      These certainly are thought-provoking questions but they distract us from the heat of the matter: ARE Ned's bones?

    • @christopherlewis1315
      @christopherlewis1315 Před měsícem

      @@inthefade The bones of Eddard Stark.
      If you want me to explain the back story, it's going to involve a lot of spoilers.

  • @richardtabor8686
    @richardtabor8686 Před měsícem +17

    Yussssss. So many "Chekhov's gun"s all over the place in this story. Ty for the content and theory.

    • @Dyundu
      @Dyundu Před měsícem +3

      Straight up Chekhov’s Armory up in here

    • @SoMuchFacepalm
      @SoMuchFacepalm Před měsícem

      @@Dyundu Chekhov's average American basement.

  • @judsonbates1359
    @judsonbates1359 Před měsícem +33

    This video made me emotional when I am usually not. It encapsulates so much about the Starks in general, and Ned in particular. It touches on the dichotomy of legacies that the two main patriarchs at the beginning leave behind them - Ned and Tywin. Ned’s legacy is one of loyalty, love and family. Ned’s bones may be secreted somewhere, but I have no doubt that Ned’s legacy means that loyalists will come out of the woodwork to protect and honor them. Much the same as the Hill Clans do for The Ned’s daughter.

  • @AndrewK23777
    @AndrewK23777 Před měsícem +11

    Great vid as always IDG. I have tended to lean towards Ned's bones currently being with Howland. Just makes the most sense , Hallis not the most out of the box thinker for one but in his defence there aren't that many other options with Ironborn and Bolton obstacles in many directions with various routes Hallis could take to Winterfell. The way is essentially blocked , and with the Crannogmen monitoring the kingsroad , Hallis was likely either spotted by the Crannogmen or took it upon himself to seek out Howland , a known fellow Stark loyalist. At which point would have also likely encountered other Stark loyalists there , Maege and Galbart.
    Also , as the vid suggests Hallis is one of the strongest candidates to be the Hooded man , the demeanor , what he says to Theon (and recognizing him) and his general outlook all line up. So in that case could have left the bones with Howland as to not risk their discovery and make his way up to Wf. Lady Dustin is a bit of a wild-card , she has a legitimate grudge against Ned but not seemingly with the other Starks (who she seems to be making moves to help them via undermining the Boltons). As much as she is understandably aggrieved by Ned I don't genuinely think she would make good on her threats about Ned's bones. As unlikely as it may seem she may a dark horse to reluctantly protect Ned's bones and help them get to their rightful final resting place. Lady Dustin has her legitimate gripes but still strikes me as a do the right thing type and likely will do just that regarding the North overall , the Starks and if it comes to it possibly even Ned's bones.

  • @Ceege48
    @Ceege48 Před měsícem +4

    I want to know what happens to Robb’s body after the red wedding will he be able to have his bones in the crypt?

  • @MariaVosa
    @MariaVosa Před měsícem +2

    Please please PLEASE make the next video about Barbrey Dustin! Undoubtedly the most facinating character introduced in the last book. She is such a cipher to the more complex history of the Starks. Her version of history is as twisted as she is, but it undeniably holds truths as well.

  • @daniell1483
    @daniell1483 Před 14 dny +1

    It is worth noting that no, Barbary Dustin was not checking the Winterfell crypt for Ned's bones. She went there to look upon Brandon's tomb; she clearly loved him, and he seems to have loved her as well, never wanting Brandon's arranged marriage to Catelyn Tully to break their relationship, but Brandon died before the marriage could be made. The whole scene of Dustin visiting Brandon's crypt is a parallel to Robert's own visit to Lyanna's crypt early in the story. And it is worth noting that even when they were down in the crypts, nobody ever went looking around for bones or any of that nonsense.

  • @FilmCram
    @FilmCram Před měsícem +16

    House Dust Bin need to get over it imo

    • @simbol5638
      @simbol5638 Před měsícem +5

      Their revenge is complete gabbage

    • @mrbreck1
      @mrbreck1 Před měsícem +3

      I am a bit suspicious of lady dustin. She did love eddards older brother. Her search for the bones reminds me of oj's search for his wifes killers. The lady doth protest too much as it were. Lady dustin has a real grievance against eddard. She wants to know the location and circumstances of her husbands death. I think we may have a trade being set up, one set of bones or location for another. In the trade we may get the truth of the tower of joy.

    • @mrdarkstar3756
      @mrdarkstar3756 Před měsícem +1

      Its a pretty big spit in the face. Ned was too honorable to come up with litterally any kind of lie to give the widow closure?

    • @jacobenke7936
      @jacobenke7936 Před měsícem +2

      @@mrdarkstar3756 The public story works. They fought, most of them died. Two men can't handle that many bodies (unless they, gasp, put them on the other men's readily available horses) Yeah, it's really easy to poke holes in that story, but somehow no one ever has. Get the bodies to Starfall, contact the silent sisters, and away go the bones on their merry way home. Ned did something shady here, and that's why the bones didn't go home. We REALLY need to know what went down, the suspense is causing us to come up with stuff like the time-travelling Walder theory.

  • @ZamaeltheBlack
    @ZamaeltheBlack Před měsícem +3

    I think Hallis and crew took the bones to Greywater Watch, the Crannogmen helped them get to White Harbor, and arrived at WInterfell with the Manderly's. That would put them in position to act as the hooded man in DoD.

  • @WaitTryFail
    @WaitTryFail Před měsícem +15

    I'd love it if Ned and catelyn are both reunited as undead and defend winterfell

    • @afrophoenix3111
      @afrophoenix3111 Před měsícem

      A reanimated Ned wielding a reforged Ice. Laughably over the top, but it hits all the rule-of-cool points.

  • @aegorbittersteel2154
    @aegorbittersteel2154 Před měsícem +15

    More importantly where are King Daemon Blackfyre the 1st bones?

  • @lemon_j22
    @lemon_j22 Před měsícem +2

    5:42 I love the colours/style of that map.

  • @elkeyes
    @elkeyes Před měsícem +4

    I wonder if Lady Stoneheart will make an effort to find them. Though Cat is pretty far gone and is wanting revenge instead of solace, she's in that area I think, maybe she'll come across them somehow.

  • @apstrike
    @apstrike Před měsícem +3

    No way Hallis Mollen leaves Ned's bones out of his sight. He's missed chances at honor and promotion to escort them and he's not going to stop 3/4 of the way there.

  • @Riftrender
    @Riftrender Před měsícem +4

    Poor Cleos. One of the few Freys who was actually pretty nice.

  • @gaghhuh2943
    @gaghhuh2943 Před měsícem +3

    I dont think Dustin died at the Tower of Joy, otherwise Ned would have brought his bones

  • @Levacque
    @Levacque Před měsícem +4

    In relation to this, I firmly believe that somebody is going to use the Silent Sisters as a screen to get somebody close enough to assassinate a high-level target. As Robert said, a person's right to burial is respected by just about everybody, and the Silent Sisters have some kind of diplomatic immunity because of that. We could be looking at an even greater violation of customs than the guest right violations.
    There's a story of a Viking ruler attempting to sack Rome by claiming to be dead, asking the bishop to convert him to Christianity, and smuggling himself into the city in a coffin.

  • @MegaPrincessbear
    @MegaPrincessbear Před měsícem +1

    You’re such a Barbrey Dustin fanboy and I am HERE for it! ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @scottanthonyweidner8692
    @scottanthonyweidner8692 Před měsícem +3

    Didn't the Pogues sing a song about that? In any event, Barbrey Dustin better hope Arya doesn't here about that attitude towards her dad.

  • @DraconimLt
    @DraconimLt Před měsícem +2

    Wasn't Lady Dustin's REAL reason to go to the Crypts to check if the Swords were gone, to back up the Bran and Rickon are alive story tho?

  • @ModMax69
    @ModMax69 Před měsícem +1

    My uncle is GRRM's personal landscaper. He told me the twist ending for Winds of Winter is that Ser Strong gets his helmet taken off in a fight and it is Ned's head sewn on top.

  • @pedromenchik1961
    @pedromenchik1961 Před měsícem +4

    Justice for Barb

  • @user-gh8is1up9m
    @user-gh8is1up9m Před měsícem +4

    Why couldn't Ned retrieve the bones of his fallen allies later. He had years to do this and didn't, but why? With the way GRRM seems to explain everything in his world, I'm sure there's a reason.

    • @Dorsidwarf
      @Dorsidwarf Před měsícem

      I can only assume it’s to in some way conceal who did and didn’t die at the Tower of Joy. If he buried everyone’s bones under a cairn and refused to tell people where they were, they can’t go counting skulls to see if someone survived, after all.

    • @Dorsidwarf
      @Dorsidwarf Před měsícem +1

      Because lady Dustin isn’t angry at him JUST for not bringing his bones, due to the difficulty of bringing six corpses back across Westeros by himself, but also *refusing to tell her where she could find them herself*

    • @user-gh8is1up9m
      @user-gh8is1up9m Před měsícem

      @@Dorsidwarf Yes but her anger, and his honour, would be taken care of if at some point during the next decade plus he retrieved the bones. I understand he's trying to keep everything about the event a secret, what and where it happened but what I'm saying is, since it's George RR, I'm sure there's a solid, satisfying reason why he could never go back and retrieve the bones of loyal men that died for him. A covert trip back there to collect the bones and make right what was probably something else that weighed heavy on good old Ned.
      Come on In Deep Geek, get a video going. I know in this day and age of CZcams you have to churn them out.

  • @Matt-hs9gw
    @Matt-hs9gw Před měsícem +4

    I just thought of something. Why the hell did Ned take Ice to KL anyway? It isn't for battle. It is ceremonial, a symbol, used only in sentencing criminals to death. Wouldn't Robb might need it should somebody need beheading while Ned was away in the South? Why wasn't it hanging on the wall at WF?

    • @artyjnrii
      @artyjnrii Před měsícem +2

      It'd probably be too big for Robb and besides, Ned still believes that he who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If as hand he needed to sentence someone to death, he wouldn't have Ser Ilyn Payne do it, so he'd need Ice.

  • @aidkik580
    @aidkik580 Před měsícem +2

    I'm glad you made this video cuz I've been pondering a question that I think may be the most important thing that NOBODY looks at. In the very beginning Ned asks bran if he knew why he had to execute the deserter himself, why the man who passes the judgement should execute the punishment himself and bran replied, "because otherwise the old way?" What did he mean by that? Why is it so important for judge to be executioner and what is the old way in that context??

    • @jacobenke7936
      @jacobenke7936 Před měsícem +1

      It's explained pretty well. "If you would kill a man, you owe it to him to look in his eyes and hear his final words. If you can't bear to do that, perhaps he doesn't deserve to die." The purpose, in its purest form, is to imply respect for both individuals and human life in general, and to keep you from becoming sadistic. It doesn't always work, but in a world where nobles have the power to kill at their word, it's a means of teaching your children the importance of restraint and decency.

  • @tarvoc746
    @tarvoc746 Před měsícem

    12:09 - "It does rather fit our understanding of this unimaginative but loyal man that when faced with an obstacle preventing him from going on, ...he just stays where he is." - Hal Mollen is A Song of Ice and Fire's Siegmeyer of Catarina.

  • @mattyboyb523
    @mattyboyb523 Před měsícem +2

    There isn’t a channel on CZcams that continues the lore of Martin, Tolkien & Sapkowski better than this one. I’m just a movie & show/series watcher. My life doesn’t allow time for reading although my wife insists I should take up audio book listening. Perhaps I will. These videos that fill the holes and expand the theories of the richness of these stories are fantastic. I have (what I think is a stupid) question about a character from the winds of winter/game of thrones mentioned a few times in this video. Why was Ramsay so obsessed with demoralizing Theon? Was it jealousy? Why? Just his demented way of being sadistic ??

  • @JLchevz
    @JLchevz Před měsícem +2

    There's so much substance to these books. So many things to consider. I want to read them again.

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +2

      That is what keeps us coming back.

    • @JLchevz
      @JLchevz Před měsícem

      @@inthefade absolutely, great books to reread, analyze or simply enjoy. Just a great series.

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Před měsícem

      I think i'm going to make a character centric reread...(Read all chapters of one character back to back)

  • @Turnoutburndown
    @Turnoutburndown Před měsícem

    Such a good one!!

  • @julianhart2247
    @julianhart2247 Před měsícem +1

    Even if we never find out. I’m glad it’s thought about. I can’t wait to meet the Cranogmen. I love this story.

  • @thegreekmeat393
    @thegreekmeat393 Před měsícem

    Your videos are great. I refused to reread the entire series when the next book drops so these videos are so helpful to keep my memory fresh.

  • @ZeroFische
    @ZeroFische Před měsícem +7

    Give us your bones!!!!

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +2

      Please, NO squirrelbones. You have no idea how much of a problem this causes for us

  • @Lange888888
    @Lange888888 Před 16 dny

    Another excellent vid, thanks Robert!

  • @Tahkaullus01
    @Tahkaullus01 Před měsícem +2

    Only Bran knows where they are.

  • @sleepyj8848
    @sleepyj8848 Před měsícem

    One of your best videos.

  • @samclontsii3548
    @samclontsii3548 Před měsícem +1

    Another Friday banger!!!

  • @willu842
    @willu842 Před 25 dny

    Great video, as usual

  • @mike9512
    @mike9512 Před měsícem

    I suppose they are with all of Sean Bean's other characters; some sort of multi-verse type graveyard situation. Bean has his own wing.

  • @Adaman135
    @Adaman135 Před měsícem +1

    Always thought the hooded man was a hallucination. Not only might Theon recognize Hallis but I doubt Hallis would recognize Theon so readily as the hooded man does. Theon would’ve changed much more in appearance than Hallis since they’d last seen each other. Still, it’s not the worst theory.
    Most likely still in the neck with Reed

  • @Larisa_Baya_Momo
    @Larisa_Baya_Momo Před 4 dny

    That laxative moment is why Tyrion is the best character in GOT.

  • @yellowfellow7246
    @yellowfellow7246 Před měsícem +1

    In my heart. Ned's bones are in my heart.

  • @mikedanforth4570
    @mikedanforth4570 Před měsícem

    I have always thought that the hooded man was just Theon’s personality splitting.

  • @BryceShamwow
    @BryceShamwow Před měsícem +2

    In Deep Geek, I'm a big fan. Your narration is quite relaxing and I think you'd be great in audio books. I'd like to comment on your thumbnail image, though. If you divide the thumbnail into 16 equal rectangular sections, 25% by 25%, then in the lower right hand corner, youtube places the video length and it covers up whatever's there. This makes the text in the thumbnail look like "Where are Ned Stark's bc". I notice about half of youtubers make this mistake. If you align your text more to the left, or along the top, this problem would go away.

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +1

      Excellent and detailed advice.

  • @DD-qo1tw
    @DD-qo1tw Před měsícem +2

    Did Ned help lord Dustin run away with the woman who supposedly threw herself into the sea? Two supposedly unrecoverable bodies from the same action...

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +1

      Dustin and Ashara Dayne? That is one that I haven't heard. I don't think there is much substantiating it. Some people think she is now Quaith.

    • @DD-qo1tw
      @DD-qo1tw Před měsícem +2

      @@inthefade yeah, I've never seen it suggested either but there are two people who supposedly died around ned around the same time whose bodies are missing. It's at least an odd coincidence.

  • @magnusnilsson1962
    @magnusnilsson1962 Před měsícem

    Another great content.

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 Před měsícem +2

    Always disappointed that they cast Howland as a tall strapping lad when he is clearly a short wiry fellow with fighting skills resembling his daughter's hunting skills.

  • @quaderex3420
    @quaderex3420 Před měsícem

    My theory ever since I first read the books was always that Howland has taken Ned's bones to bury them under a weirwood. This way Ned's conciousness and memories will be uploaded into weirwood net. In Winds we will probably see Ned again for one chapter. He will either talk with Bran and maybe Jon or Bran will see everything that happened at the Tower of Joy through his father's eyes similarly to the show.

  • @eagle_and_the_dragon
    @eagle_and_the_dragon Před měsícem +1

    So, Howland likely holds the bones. Jon likely gets resurrected and conquers Winterfell with Stannis and the Wildlings.
    Then Jon and Howland meet, and Jon can put his 'Father' to rest in the crypts, perhaps revealing something else..?

  • @92irishjoe
    @92irishjoe Před měsícem

    Very solid theory, we know that people are scared to even go through the neck not to mention Greywater watch is a floating castle on the water. Once the red wedding happens I’m sure that the Frays and Boltons would be added to their kill list

  • @breacat
    @breacat Před měsícem

    Makes me think Tyrion wasn't constipated and just needed a laxative from Pycell as well as a patsy if Cersei figured out what happened.

  • @anorangetabby
    @anorangetabby Před měsícem

    Ned really did his bannermen wrong. He should have taken the bones of all of his people home. In Ned's defense, he was grieving and figuring out how to conceal a hidden Targaryen prince. I also understand Barbrey's anger and feelings of being disregarded by yet another Stark. Human emotions are complicated.

  • @martinbeaubien440
    @martinbeaubien440 Před měsícem

    Bran says, our way is the old way.

  • @user-js5dx5yy1p
    @user-js5dx5yy1p Před měsícem +1

    Well, the poor fellows and the sparrows stated that even silent sisters were being accosted on the road, when they demanded for Cersei to reinstate their militant order.
    Perhaps they are lying scattered halfway to Winterfell.
    Or zombie Catelyn Stark has them. She’s creepy, it’s a possibility.

  • @EdgedShadow
    @EdgedShadow Před měsícem

    They;'re on the ship with the Winterfell Library books and Gilly in Essos.

  • @quentinsimeon3008
    @quentinsimeon3008 Před měsícem +2

    Speaking of dead bodies… why is Ser Robert Strong, a Strong? Is Qyburn possibly from House Strong?

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 Před měsícem

    Just like Steiner's imminent counterattack, Martin's new ASOIAF book which will release anytime now will answer all questions.

  • @decapodrevolutionary1414
    @decapodrevolutionary1414 Před měsícem

    His bones are wherever the plot requires them to be

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Před měsícem +1

    What an awesome thumbnail

  • @ondrejvasak1054
    @ondrejvasak1054 Před měsícem +3

    Do we know, or have any theories why Ned refused to tell Barbary Dustin where the bones were? That seems very unlike him, he must have had a good reason to be so secretive about it.

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před měsícem +2

      I've heard this tied into theories about how and why the Tower of Joy was torn down, usually involving Howland Reed using some green magic to do it... There is so much mystery to all of those events, I just hope GRRM resolves most of it somehow.

    • @jacobenke7936
      @jacobenke7936 Před měsícem

      @@inthefade If Howland could do that kind of stuff, if anyone could, we'd know. The real clincher for me is that if the ToJ situation went down as per Ned's fever dream (not likely) There would have been more people. What happened to them? Were they killed too, and Ned doesn't want to admit that? It's all so wonderfully messy, and ties in well with the shades of grey concept. Ned is portrayed as this honorable ideal, but his actions haven't really been so. I'm going to be pretty happy when the other shoe drops and a whole lot of people have to confront that he did something bad. He seems to carry an awful lot of shame and regret in his PoV's, along with some bitterness over Brandon and Lyanna's actions.

  • @michaellee4276
    @michaellee4276 Před měsícem +2

    They are being sent to Ned's one true love and mother of his favorite child. To be with Wylla in Dorne.

  • @NielsMulvad
    @NielsMulvad Před měsícem

    I firmly believe Lord Dustin is still alive. It is the only way that can explain to me, why he (Ned) wouldn't tell the widow where the bones are. If anything Eddard would be honor bound to ensure the remains of his fallen friends was returned to the families (if they so wanted them).

  • @nickkovac8596
    @nickkovac8596 Před měsícem +1

    Silent sisters are a VERY different thing in 40k…..

  • @gpness
    @gpness Před měsícem

    Execution a massive insult. Gg Robert

  • @unreal306
    @unreal306 Před měsícem +3

    They are gonna go on rattle shirt (Mance’s) new outfit

  • @alonys
    @alonys Před měsícem

    I think little finger has them. He hates Ned even more than Barbary Dustin. I wouldn't put it past him to plant silent sisters of his own in the group and tell them to wait for the right moment to disapear with the bones.

  • @ALTDOK667
    @ALTDOK667 Před měsícem +5

    They're Jaqen's bones.

    • @PiscatorLager
      @PiscatorLager Před měsícem +2

      Jaqen R'haegar

    • @ALTDOK667
      @ALTDOK667 Před měsícem

      @@PiscatorLager ...yes.

    • @Dyundu
      @Dyundu Před měsícem +1

      Jaqen’s bones are being carried to the North by Jaqen, so he can deliver them to Jaqen, where they will finally rest under the shadow of the statue of Jaqen.

    • @ALTDOK667
      @ALTDOK667 Před měsícem

      @@Dyundu ...until the Horn of Jaqen is sounded.

  • @alexgedrose
    @alexgedrose Před měsícem

    Best channel

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives Před měsícem

    Well i don't know but if Lady Dustin announces a new winter soup & stew festival at her House Hall (for no reason), then be wary. Don't eat the soup this winter.

  • @lanestapp2
    @lanestapp2 Před měsícem

    Having theon take you down to the crypts "presumably" to double check the bones aren't already there is an Awfully big stretch.

  • @DraconimLt
    @DraconimLt Před měsícem +1

    On the subject of Lord Dustin's bones not being brought back, why would Ned not even tell his wife where they are? Could he have not been buried maybe, maybe cos he's (and the rest perhaps, are) still alive, would that be too tinfoil-y?

  • @ksawerystankiewicz5562
    @ksawerystankiewicz5562 Před měsícem

    Ned's bones are the ghost of winterfell, or they're chilling with Benjen

  • @samuelleask1132
    @samuelleask1132 Před měsícem +1

    Stark loyalist party in the Neck, let’s gooo

  • @DamonNomad82
    @DamonNomad82 Před měsícem

    Last I heard, his bones were floating around in an elven boat somewhere at sea...

  • @kyleogame
    @kyleogame Před měsícem

    Did some of your old videos get taken down? Was looking for the videos breaking down Roberts Rebellion and couldn't find them

  • @alexstewart9747
    @alexstewart9747 Před měsícem

    Dem bones dem bones dem dry bones.

  • @LucasSpurrell
    @LucasSpurrell Před měsícem

    Having some event or twist happen regarding Ned's bones would be cool but it would also be okay if it was just left up in the air to be honest.
    We see things like this happen all over both real life and Westerosi history. Bodies, artifacts, and records go missing all the time.
    It would be satisfying if we were to get answers but it really doesn't matter to the story. What matters more is everyone's reactions to his death and his bones. They reveal insights into the characters of Catelyn, Barbrey, and others that we otherwise might not have known.
    Why did he leave William's bones?
    We wouldn't have even know he left them if we didn't get Barbrey's reaction to his death. Did William even die or is he hiding out some place? Maybe with Howland or maybe he's changed his identity?
    Did they form some secret pact?

  • @bryanmastalish4595
    @bryanmastalish4595 Před měsícem +2

    You'd think the starks would burn the dead too.. they would know of the others as well

    • @its99pm
      @its99pm Před měsícem

      which is precisely why it's intriguing that they don't... and instead have a very specific and detailed setup with stone statues and swords, quite unlike other houses

  • @7eddiii
    @7eddiii Před 22 dny

    kinda sucks tyrion didnt take that moment to also send ice back with ned bones i guess he knew the bones meant nothing to them while house lannister still lacked valyrian steel

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 Před měsícem

    Well Lady Dustin is at Winterfell, not on her husband's lands, reminding her people about her order regarding Ned's bones, and in this civil war situation they might have other things on their minds.
    *Hallas slips by, and they are there already, anyone?*

  • @thomasj3701
    @thomasj3701 Před měsícem

    Real question is why didn't Ned ever, in all the years and years since not told Barb (best Jim Lahey impression of course)? It makes zero sense unless he didn't die. There's so much more to the ToJ story that so many seem to think. No way all them dudes died there. Which of those great Kings Guard kill this kid that Ned took? Why the hell would Ned even take a freaking kid with?