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It's totally fine to be quite behind on the news, but the Agurin part feels odd since you are making the video now when we have more info I think but you do not include it. Agurin answered to what happened, and I think it makes sense to believe him that it wasn't because of top he afk, it was because he had no chance to even jgl and it was just a slow death waiting. Saying afterwards it was wrong to afk, obviously, but that was the reason not Bard. The Faker story from the LPL is not much we can do about, other language and different interpretations of intent etc. But it's not black and white as most get to hear about it.
5:08 Careful with your wording... That Bard top is not why he afk... But the fact that the opponent know Agurin have no top laner (Bard perma roam), so opponent mid-top-jg can perma invade Agurin top side jg (in the clip you can even see Leona also raom invade), make the game unplayable for him... Good player will immediately understand that was a losing game...
but lol he is saying his team does not consent to this strategy :D pls tell me how many teammates consent to the usual rage splitting top strategy every losing top laner does lol, thus making his team play 4vs5 all game or every rage quitter or feeder(which we do have a "few" in this game dont we?)
@@FirstBaka yeah it's a bad arguement, no one is consenting to anything playing league, like just watch the chatt and see the slurs; did anyone consent to getting bullied in game?
@@jonathaneriksson9273 agreed and to be honest I get it its a competitve game, but lets be real only a small percentage of the playerbase can reach the highest elo, so the whole playerbase should just chill, your life is not on the line in the game. The biggest problem with all these games not just league that it became too competitive.. but its just my take
@@jonathaneriksson9273 yeah. you did. youre keeping chat on, thats on you. youre not muting the person "bullying" you, thats on you. you give a fuck about these type of things, thats on you.
gotta love how people are debating whether somebody's individual playstyle is acceptable, because it forces everyone to play a certain way, meanwhile there are several champions in game that have the same effect simply by existing....
This this 100% say for example you have aatrox top. You have to play a certain way to make sure that he can do well. If all of the other champs on your team are squishy poke champs. Aatrox is going to be useless this is why team comp is a thing. Certain champs perform well or poorly with certain other champions. Bard is not forcing you to play a certain way every champion does this. Singed top does this. Rammus top does this. Sona and janna top did this and it was broken and they nerfed it and it did the same thing. I have how much innovation is stifled in this game because as soon as you remotely break out of the mold everyone thinks you should be banned for trying. When garen/yuumi bot was a thing and it was broken in pro play and it had to be nerfed to shook up the playstyle and it was good. FFS
Literally Bard except when played in support, his intended lane, doesn't leave a huge gaping hole in a lane when he does his roams unlike Bardinette and his "strat". So even the argument of "he is trying to innovate" falls flat since his champ already does roams and can force map plays but in a role that isn't as volatile as top (volatile here meaning that the enemy laner simply isn't left to farm exp and gold in an uncontested lane unlike bot where there it is at least a 1v2 and no inflated exp gain) and doesn't just make the game needlessly hard for the same benefit
I can't think of a single champion in the game that when played in the intended positions does anything even remotely close to this. There are a lot of reasons to defend Bardinette, this is not one of them.
Agurin said multiple times that he didnt care about the Bard and that he was not the problem while he was reacting to Nemesis's reaction. It was just unplayable.
Just as unplayable as weakside Garen vs Vayne top ? Guy also can't play, should he afk as well? Or just "play safe"? or "play better"? Mind you that toplane experience is way more common than JG being bullied
@@Fr33mxit's about the jungle, zyra is a scaling champ she needs to farm camps as many as possible. Did you watch the clip? Zyra can't even farm on her own jungle camp. Where does the afk come? Being invaded whenever you're going to your own camp and literally AFK is just the same
@@Fr33mxima be honest this feels so much worse than weak side garen vs vayne top because at least you can just leech xp and try to play the game. This is first picking something that has a semi weak early game, getting counter picked by Darius, getting cheesed in a bush level 1, tping back to lane, he crashes the wave and it bounces back to him, and then he kills you after your tp, and he freezes for 10 minutes and zones you off xp. It’s like the jungle equivalent of that, except it happens slower and once you reach that point of no return of uselessness, there’s almost no way to come back unless the enemy really fucks up.
Essentially, the reason why Agurin had no way to go in his topside jungler (since he needs it bc he was playing a scaling jungler with a high gold demand) was all bc of Bardinette's fault
Feels like this is what many comments miss here. Yes, everyone could play any champs at any roles, but if the person itself doesn't know what he did and even doesn't know itemization to play the role ? That's what happen with Bardinette, and people only focusing on Agurin AFK.
Not really, Baus does proxy 80% of his games, you would think he keeps his later in check by this, but the same can be said for Bard top, who by roaming is keeping bot, mid, and jgl in check You can even argue that playing a power farmer jgl can benefit you with this play style, since you full clear and take the toplane wave from time to time
@@omega7057 Heavily disagree with everything youve just written lol. Baus somewhat keeps his laner in check since by proxying the other wave will instantly crash into the tower making it harder to move, where as Bards laner can do whatever they want and even take plates and the tower. Bard also doesnt really keep the other laners "in check", they already have someone they are laning against lol. And lastly no, its a terrible argument. First of all you get massively reduced xp and if you kill too many minions you will get massively reduced gold as well. Secondly, the game doesnt work that way on a high level. The main reason why its frustrating for Agurin is that the Bard has essentially decided to forfeit his entire topside jungle. With the level difference and the toplaner free to move, he can never contest any toplane camps so he cant powerfarm, which is why you see the enemy team just running him down in his own jungle. The issue with the playstyle isnt just that Bard sacrifices his own lane, he sacrifices the jungle as well and the enemy gets a super strong toplaner. I would never want to play with this player myself if im honest, especially not if i were to play jungle lol.
@@Nikolai-pf1dm isn't that Bard's whole identity? Sacrify your lane in favor of the other lanes? It's literally the same he does in support, the only difference is instead of the ADC being 3 man dived is the toplaner getting 4 plates And yes, you do keep the other lanes in check cause get the fuck what, if you are getting ganked by 4 people in the mid or botlane, you can't do shit, you just wait under tower and, if you're lucky enough, maybe Bard will miss his ult and not 4 man dive you at minute 8
It is simple. It is SOLO queue, you do what you want to try to climb. If it works you climb if it doesn't you don't. Does it suck for the other 9 people? Yes. Is it punishable? No. But guess what else isn't punishable. Banning bard when playing with bardinette.
He literally has a google slide presentation he links where he says he will play Illaoi and int if you ban bard. He has a 0% winrate on Illaoi with over a hundred games. So you take your pick; play 4v5 with bard or play 4v5 with illaoi. Oh but it's not punishable btw.
@@honorablegigachad6946 It doesn't matter what champion Bardinette picks if his one trick is banned, he won't be playing at a Master's level on any other champion. Let's say you one trick any champ, and that champ gets banned. Now you're stuck at your peak ELO, and no matter what champion you pick you'll play as if you're boosted. Because news flash - one tricks are only that rank on that one champ.
my take on this vod is that why is the leona roaming in Agurin's jugl. This is clearly a sup diff And a mid diff too. The trynda is literally 5/0, No matter how u look at it, ur losing the game
bard is perma roaming and has 3 deaths, malph and bards death are 5 in total and he just died to trynd without watching the vod its safe to assume bard contributed to trynds kills at least more than once
Okay, I get the argument that "you force everyone to play your game", but guess what, that's literally drafting in league Imagine I play adc, and my support picks Nautilus, now I know that I have to pick an adc that wants to either be agressive or synergizes with him If I don't and I pick Jinx for example, I'm forcing my support and my jgl to play a very diferent game that they had in mind Now imagine that our team is full ad, and my jgl decides to pick graves, he literally fucked the entire draft and now we will likely lose the game if the enemy team has a simple understanding of itemization, well then our jungle just decided to complete alter the game that we're playing by putting us in a disadvantage, yet you can tell that "intentional inting"
Now imagine if your support picks teemo then goes top/mid all game leaving you -50 CS behind in lane and sometimes more if their jungler decides to punish you for what the teemo is doing, the teemo sits top where the enemy top sits behind his turret and lasthits safely while you get 3 man dove on repeat. Then you are having a bad day so you decide to afk, now some cringe redditors who never 3 ranked games decide to morally f over this and how its actually okay to play teemo support and afk toplane, you just need to adapt. Oh yeah wasn't that nubrac? Wasn't he banned?
@@terribleplayer2526 the difference is that bardinette actually pays of and doesn't just afk in the midlane taking cs like that creature did, and don't treat three man diving in the botlane as a rarity when that happens both in soloq and proplay by supports doing shitty roams ADC is design to be a team dependent role, if your support is shit roaming and getting nothing in return, you get cooked, the difference is that the support actually tries to play for other lanes Wanna see that in action without being a trolling teemo? Check out tiltirella, or, idk, any fucking Bard otp out there
What a shit comparison, everyone consents to Aggressive or passive playstyle, you arent even forced to play aggressive, you ARE on the other hand forced to play into a 200 CS min 18 2 Turrets 10 K gold Renekton
Ur argument is restarded and just shows how low elo u are. Picking naut support has NOTHING IN COMMON with picking bard top and not laning. Bardinette is getting inted on stream every 2 game, very funny and deserved.
i think something of note on the agurin-bardinette situation is that agurin also has a style of playing the game that his team is force to adapt to. Agurin is a farm focus, scaling focused jungler, and while that might work for him consistently in most of his games, that doesnt make it the 100% correct decision every single time. that game was an example of it being the wrong decision. He picked zyra jungle with a bard top. He knew, at the very least, that he was very likely to get pressured out of the topside of the map, but didn't opt to pick a strong early jg to potentially ward off invades. If bardinette were a kayle player instead, it's very likely that the same situation could occur, but because roaming bard top is an off meta strategy, he thinks it's ok to afk.
Well said. I'd also say it matters on pick order too. Agurin could have picked Zyra jg before Bardinette picked bard top and then he get's his tempo and gameplay screwed. But ultimately Agurin's play style isn't as awful as Bardinette's. Bardinette locks in as an almost second jg, but queues top and leaves it open for the enemy top to snowball. If he picked support and went roaming support / Double JG, it would be fine because bard's play style is made for that.
@@OneAndOnlyJanko idk but agurin legit said that he didnt afk because it was a bard top but because the shutdowns all went to the 2 support champions and the mid and adc were autofilled and every lane was useless at that point of the game, he himself said that people are oddly fixated on bardinette
The big difference is agurins playstyle is relatively normal for league, while bardinette's makes the game a clown fiesta. Agurin's playstyle reached rank 1 multiple times, proving his strategy is the best, while bardinettes stays stuck at masters
@Kiandough not going to claim that bardinette has perfected a godlike playstyle, but correct me if I'm wrong, I really doubt that you've made it to masters. Masters is the upper 1% percentile. A guy that is "stuck in masters" is still doing better than 99% of the player base.
@@ThomasFromNorkhe made it to masters because he's mechanically gifted at bard. He'd be much higher if he wasn't forcing his team into these coin flip scenarios
@@reginaldmustardbacon5866 nah you can tell, the chubby guy s expression is the typical sly and evil type+ I dont know any human who would like to be treated like that. I have 20+ year old friendships and I would def not take anything like that even from them
I think some people are confused as to why Agurin was upset in the first place about bard top. It's not even that he's forcing people to play league his way. That's a separate discussion. It's more that junglers require crossmapping to farm, look for opportunities, and stay in the game. Due to the nature of jungle in high elo, this strategy directly affects the jungler's farm, radically offsets tempo, and any enemy team worth their salt will know to take advantage of it. It's DIFFICULT to know how to play with a roaming bard top if you never have before (maybe not even difficult, but you're put on the spot since it's abnormal), but it's EASY for good players to take advantage of a jungler who's down in levels and xp; and more importantly, to prevent them from getting back into the game since enemy jungle will nearly always have tempo. I don't think Agurin should've AFK'd, but I really don't blame him.
@@fireflameft2964 Totally fair. Perhaps upset was the wrong word. I more was referring to the community outcry for him afking and his justifications for it on stream. I wasn't trying to make Agurin sound bad for that ofc.
With this strategy i think that splitting the map bot is best, but that is something you gotta do from lvl 1. If you split the map you can dive bot mid on repeat very easily.
In all honesty, Agurin just didnt know how to adapt his game plan. Vertical jungling is something ive seen people do like once or twice effectively but it is very powerful if done right and in this situation it would had allowed him to just not interact with his top side jungle which was the problem.
its lil bit inaccurate to say agurin went afk cause he had a bard top. agurin played to win even tho his team fell severely behind very quickly in the game and agurin himself got perma invaded by 3 players while every kill his team did manage to get landed on bard and pyke, who both cant use the gold. he went afk cause he rationalized that him being afk under tier 2 tower (which essentially was what he was being reduced to cause of the invades and the gold deficit) or being afk in base made little difference and he thought it was a waste of time. its not a gold game its a challenger/master game, the enemy team would maybe throw in 1/10000 games but the miserable game state wasnt quite worth those odds.
Hello i'm the Bard Guy. I'm just playing the way i find most enjoyable, while trying my best every single game and never being toxic. And that's the only thing i owe my team mates. I know its a bit original so i share a guide & discord link to increase team play synergy. I would like to thank everyone who supported me through this witch hunt. I'm just a dude chilling while playing the video game at a high level. Don't hate me
Caedral is absolutely right. It’s a videogame and that’s the way he plays and has fun. The rest of the other people are projecting their unhappiness. If you have a player that plays a new strategy that’s the whole point of playing a videogame.
im pissing in the wind but i feel like a fucking boomer. if you look to the roots of league (dota/aos) you'd realize that the core systems of a moba are more dynamic than riot wants and players have gaslit themselves into believing. there were times where junglers weren't even always a given and lanes werent so fleshed out. if you look towards dota now you'd see that it still holds a healthy balance between 1-1-3 lanes and 1-1-2 lanes, junglers are not a given, trilanes exist and lane swaps can happen as early as 5 minutes in. this is normal even at a competitive level. the rhetoric that other players need to consent to how you chose to play the game is so dangerious, i get flamed every other game for playing velkoz apc bot and despite manatining a 60% winrate it's a constant stream of stupidity. people dont care if what you're doing is optimal or not, they just want what they're used to. that defeats the purpose of a strategy game. in dota it's completley normal for a aux support to eat massive xp penalties and be 7+ levels behind because they're stacking jungle camps but they win more because of it. in league we got taric yi funneling and janna top and riot had a fucking heart attach instead of letting players shape their own meta.
It's not featured here, which is disingenuous in my opinion, but Dom pointed out in his reaction, that roaming bard top is by no means a new strategy. It's a strategy from almost 10 years ago, which never truly worked and got nerfed as well. He also points out, that Bardinette is actually a really good Bard player. He actually believes, that Bardinette could climb to Challanger if he just played Bard bot and learned matchups. It's an old, nerfed strategy played by a good otp. Another thing to point out is that when his team bans Bard, he picks Illaoi and intentionally feeds.
Caederal 100% doesn't understand the problem which is not the innovative. Bard got as high as could doing what he is doing as toxic to people as it is because it's not the assumes game. The problem is not that. The main problem. It is that he doesn't change it when it doesn't work. Example of what caederal is talking about is bauss. Bauss will 100% play tank sion or try different picks. BARD DOES NOT DO THAT YOU IDIOT. You and many others who can't get that. You are the what's wrong with the game period. Not bard. Not bauss. Not people who type endlessly. Not afk people. Not soft int. YOU. Why? Because you are why they get away with it.
If it's allowed by the game, and it's with the intention to win the game, it is allowed. If the strategy works despite it being not fun, it's on Riot to nerf it.
But that is exactly what Riot has done 2 years ago where roaming Janna Top was Meta for 2 patches and since then it's just trash and essential playing 4v5 specially with Grubs added to the game. U will never generate that much worth by roaming then the enemy top will by getting 2 Turrets and 5 Platings. It won't hurt him to play Bard support, where it's much more useful
the problem is the strategy doesn't work and isn't fun for teammates, Riot has basically removed the strategy with the support item changes this season. Bardinette forces his team to play against a top laner that is up 4-5 levels and several thousand gold, relying on them to be carried as he provides such a small amount of support with his strategy.
@@sanholo9494 It was meta because it was strong it showed how sacking a lane to make other lanes perform well is a reasonable strategy and they nerfed it. They wouldn't nerf something that isnt working or isnt strong.
Yeah, basically my take. I understand being aggravated by it, and don't really think it's healthy for the game because of how your team has to deal with it, but it's up to Riot to fix it. Which they probably will, since it's not their vision for the game and how it should be played and all that jazz.
You guys don't understand how hard it is to get at least Masters with Bardinette's playstyle. The guy literally is climbing with handicap. It's like playing shooting games using only dagger and he climbs wtf.
Somehow it's cool, when laners are forced to be weaksided, because jungler player decided so, and they have no say in the matter. But when a laner forces jungler player to play something he doesn't want (Janna/Bard/whatever top) it's suddenly an insanely huge problem and he doesn't need to just adapt, like laners are told to, but riot will come to the rescue and nerf the strategy :D
Junglers legit made me stop playing lol it's impossible to play this meta if your jg is gapped. These players are always toxic and extremely uncooperative.
@@SabinIonita yes, totally love the gatekeeping. doing a great job gatekeeping. that gate is well kept. not a single person will have any issues with your keeping of that gate.
With wintrading the creepy part is that ALL player suspects are severally punished and likely will race into personal debt... But the managers and associated "office people" get a slight warning and can just restart a new team
Players who hold their team hostage with their sub-par playtyle/strategy is literally what happens in every game of League of Legends. When it happens in the middle tier brackets, the community just laughs it off and says "git gud," but when this crap happens in high elo games, well all of a sudden, those complaints now become valid in the eyes of the community! That's so weird!
Idk what's weird about it. The karma player in this video literally got banned for wintrading over movement that would be considered normal everyday gameplay in silver because the impact of small mistakes is significantly higher in pro play. Not to say that inting bard and sion top shouldn't be banned in silver, but it's perfectly normal that the community doesn't care much when bad players in a "bad" elo use bad strategies. It's expected, and if you're just playing better than your opponents you're bound to climb even with that in mind, whereas the higher elo you go the harder it becomes to just outskill your opponents and win 4v5.
Honestly, by this point hostage taking should come fucking back. Force these people to buy accounts over and over again, they're easy to snipe, they're the top 1%, just try over and over again until SOMETHING goes right and you get to put them in 3 hour games.
4:09 to play devil's advocate the guy didn't turn around even once to complain and the guy kicking stopped when he put his chair up, so maybe it was him looking out for his sitting posture. Just a guess tho idk.
Bard explanation from someone who has watched full games unlike half the streamers weighing in: Yes theres a level diff top, It is a funnel strat that typically FAVOURS his jungler, so agurin just saw a strat that wasn't his and mental boomed. Typically, Bards jg benefits and gets strong. They can influence the rest of the map together while the top laner gets stronger than bard, but if that top laner lives on his island the rest of his team is losing and the game is gone. If the top laner tries to join, bard in particular has great cc, aoe lockup ult and disengage through tunnels which makes it very difficult for the enemy team to force anything. It's like the macro version of playing into pinkwards ap shaco, so you can see why teams get frustraded by it.
Bard counterargument from someone who has watched full games, like IWD and Nemesis both did on stream (you liar): He wins because he gambles on his team carrying him. It's that simple. It's why support is the most inflated role in the game, you can climb just by getting another player ahead and latching onto their leg for the rest of the game. Playing this exact playstyle with bard support would easily get Bardinette challenger, but instead he decides to make the game harder and more frustrating on his team by making it so the enemy has a fed toplaner every single game.
@@mrmcawesome9746getting carried and setting a team up to be successful are two very different things. Ensuring that 4 players are winning is just statistically better than ensuring one single lane does. Which is how the climb works. Also, any high level player will tell you to identify the strongest member of your team and play around them. Not because you want to get carried, but because working together you are much stronger that way.
@@atsukana1704 And all those are things that bard support does _without_ also ensuring that enemy top is mega ahead at the same time. Like it's categorically worse to play around your strongest player and make them fed while also feeding your top laner than it is to do it but not give free farm, plates and towers. You might even say it's intentionally trolling the game at that point...
@@mrmcawesome9746 "Gambles on his team carrying him"? Wish I could go in troll my games and get carried by amazing teammates consistently over time to high winrate / high elo... Have you played this season? Funniest comment 2024
9:00 this is why I don't care about ranked, every community just decides what is fair and doesn't adapt when people play what they are best at. To be fair the bard is not doing well but it's so annoying that this is the response
@@terribleplayer2526 When people first started Shen mid that was the argument against it too, that it was a fail and it was just a new taken on river Shen. But after a couple of years now, Shen mid is a normal playstyle.
@@hatezomm Now that Shen mid is mainstream, nobody calls it that either. Yet at the beginning, all the opponents of Shen mid were calling it another take of river Shen.
@@randomstuff6332 With Shen mid you were catching waves then constantly roaming. It works because tanks don’t need much gold in them to be useful. I don’t think you know what river Shen really is. River Shen has you only staying in river without going to lane, and replying to the team with only the words “River Shen”. It’s a less developed strategy of this Bard OTP
Honestly, looking at the clip… I fail to see how this is Bard’s fault. And I say this as a jungle main. Bard has 100% kill participation. His malphite midlane is getting curb stomped by a Tryndamere. The Renekton is 0/1/2, meaning he’s done basically nothing. The Zyra jungle is dying topside… to a Leona. Not to the toplaner. And his botlane is not even managing to all-in the Ezreal 2v1, with Kai’sa Pyke of all botlanes. Honestly, the only thing that could really make me side against this Bard is if he jumpscare locked Bard in draft at the last second. If you know you’re going to have a Bard top, it’s your problem as a jungler if you locked in a jungler who is vulnerable to invades. Lock in a strong duelist instead of a squishy immobile mage jungle.
No he doesn't jump scare lock it. He plays it every game. Also look at his level and CS. He perma roams allowing the top laner to get complete free farm. At the same time he uses the support item which gives shit for gold unless you are hitting minions to share gold with another laner. Also by perma roaming he's siphoning xp from other laners. Great he has 100% kp, with 2 kills and 2 assists he's about even with the 0 kill 2 assist renekton in gold and 2 levels down.
Okay let's pause at 9:50 or some shit, so we all can see the stat board. I am a GM Teemo player in Vietnam, I have played with several Challengers and Pros in my life. Despite having > 55% WR on my champ, people always think of me as a troll, just like this Bard, meanwhile I'm the one who always tries my hardest to win the game, so I guess I can have a few words on this. Okay, look at the stat board, who is the most productive person in the game? Bard. He had a KDA of 2/3/2, a few CS off from Renekton doesn't matter that much, it's just some level gap, Renekton doesn't affect anyone as well, he's 0/1/2 and it was just 8 minutes into the game. Well, let's compare the enemies with other players on his team. Tryndamere 5/0 vs Malphite 0/2 Ezreal - Leona 5/2/4 vs Kaisa - Pyke 2/4/2 Brand 1/1/5 vs Zyra 0/2/2 Do we agree that all of them all lost to their opponents regardless Bard was in the game or not, even Bard was roaming to help them? How can you let a Tryndamere get 5/0? How can you, Agurin, as the jungler, the top 1 on the server, died two time with 2 KP, let your Brand opponent get 6 KP and blame Bard for ruining the game? The bot lane also completely lost with Ezreal leading 3 kills ahead the 0/1 Kaisa, you can't tell me Bard did that. It's funny when people look at the game, they blame the most different person on the team instantly just because that person plays the game differently than what they previously know about the game. Bard was the most productive person on the team and that's a fact. If none of his teammates played better than him or was more productive than him, then it's their fault, there's no one else to blame but themselves, for being bad at the game and ruined their own game. For Agurin, if he picked Zyra before Bard, I don't blame him, but he could have picked another versatile jungler that doesn't require stable sidelaners to play the game, he himself gambled on his sidelaners, so take that L and move on I guess. It's the same when you pick Ivern, Karthus into Khazix, Reksai, you can't just blame your teammates for that because it's also your fault as well. On the other hand, if he picked Zyra after Bard, it's totally his fault and I have nothing else to say about it. So yeah, tldr, before you blame someone else, you must look at yourself first, see if you did the job as good as them, if you did the job well, okay then you can have some words on the other person, if you didn't, suck it up and move on because you deserve that just as much as him. He didn't complain about YOU being bad, why should you?
at the time of the clip agurin got 3 man invaded for the 3rd time in 6 minutes, he also stated multiple times that he didnt "go afk because of bard top", he went afk because from that point onward walking out of base was literally suicide, he was no longer allowed to play the game. how would him dying on respawn for 10 more minutes help his team? now I am not saying that going afk was alright, but reddit kept arguing over bard top when that wasnt even relevant to the issue at hand.
@@M4RH4V3N Oh yes just because he said that so you actually believed he didn't go afk because of Bard top. 5:42 "If my Bard wasn't f*cking disgusting we could play, but he is, so..." Prior to that sentence he complained a lot about the game being unplayable. Hmm but Agurin said that he didn't go afk because of Bard so it must be true and that sentence doesn't mean anything, right? I'm fine if Agurin takes the L and accepts that he was harsh on Bard, or even keeps his opinion that Bard was disgusting that made the game unplayable, as long as he stays true to himself. At this point he's just trying to keep his image clean to the public, it's so obvious he was pissed off by that Bard. Even if he had no intention of blaming Bard (which he unfortunately did), that sentence alone points all the blame towards him and that is not cool since he was the most productive player in the team.
@@ztokkiz aight let me rephrase. Bard top was the main cause for the situation I described, as in the 3 man invades that made the game unplayable for arguably the best solo queue player in the world were only possible due to their complete freedom in the topside jgl. so complaining about bard who enabled the situation that led to agurin going afk is not the same as agurin going afk because he has bard top in his team which is what reddit claimed. bard was the underlying cause but not the REASON agurin went afk, which is VERY clear if watch the vod and not just a 20 sec clip. so yeah, should he have gone afk? no, ofc not. did he see bard top and just decide not to play out of spite? also no.
Right but Agurin is also multiple time Rank 1 challenger while Bardinette is 500 LP master dweller. And don’t even bring my rank because it literally doesn’t matter. Multiple challenger players have stated they could get masters with 1 finger (Alois playing literally any top laner, Druttut lmao, Agurin himself, Nemesis). So I think there’s a slight discrepancy in when bard takes 2 shutdowns worth of gold that could be going to the hyper scaling jungler and being confused as to why his now completely out of the game jungler is afk forever in a challenger lobby.
Explanation of league community: "We hate this meta, everything so stale, game boring, all lose/win states look the same and surrender is required because teams have no comeback or mental for it, BUT ALSO fuck this bard who does things different and wants to shake up play. Not like the team can, as a group, say "this is the most effective thing, we have to force them to match this, lets ban split pushers and play numbers with bard exp advantage starving top"
nobody is whinier than high-level league players. How often do people even play with this guy and if you do just suck it up and play the game differently it happens every once in a while or just get the Challenger and then you won’t ever have to play with him anyways cause he’s master lol
yup you nailed it tbh. if high elo/pros all had their way, they would play the same champ every game, their team would ahve the same draft, the enemy would ahve the same champs, dragons wouldnt be random. they dont like playing the game and all it has to offer. they just like winning.
A Singed player got banned in the past for doing the same thing that this Bard is doing, at least that's what I remember. There was a whole drama around that years ago
The singed was queuing support and had a negative win rate in silver-gold. He wasn't even 'making it work' and was guaranteed to ruin the game for at least one of his team mates every time
As a jungle main, i can understand the frustration when you're completely bullied out of a jungle quadrant, when an enemy gets free farm. Had that multiple times with afk top for example. However, i also played some games with my support picking Nunu with Smite which went absolutely fine because they knew what they were doing and informed me about that. I think if you play a strategy that is so different from normal league that it changes the way your team should act, the least you should do is to make sure everyone understands your plan
But when baus does it it's okay cause he's popular, literally, they used to treat him in the same way bardinette is being treated back in season 8/9, now that he's popular almost no one says shit
Because Baus' strategy actually works. People hated him, and still do, because it's really annoying to play with his strategy, but he doesn't actively force other people to play differently because of him, he just inflates both toplaners and make late game a coinflip on which one can carry harder.
They do, his recent behaviours indicate that something happened in the two recent tournaments he was in, either win trading, his other teammates convincing the support and mid that they shouldn't like him, etc. Socializing sucks ass, but still, it shows just how much this type of playstyle is hated, especially when Baus got popular because of it. Just listen to his tone and watch his web cam when he says, "on me" during his latest vids.
@@mrmcawesome9746 this doesn't make sense. you must define "works" as winning more games than you lose. no one coinflips accidentally to grandmaster constiently season after season. just because you don't like the way he plays doesn't mean it's not more effective than **checks notes** 99.932% percent of players, as GM and master lp 500+ accounts for 0.068% of players. just because this strategy cant cut it in challenger doesn't mean its somehow satan or horrific, i see plenty of people in masters playing perma roam zoe talon and barely interacting with the lane and they never climb past masters for the same exact fucking reason. hell they have LOWER winrates even. if playing in such a way as to ONLY win enough games to get to GM is a bannable offense then we should just delete the fucking game except for the 1000 some odd players in GM+.
I like when people innovate, new strats help keep interest in the game, people getting mad at something new is not a new concept either, we all prefer comfortability.
I don't see how this bard strategy is any different than for example your adc locking in smolder when you're support. You now know that for the first 20 mins of the game you have to play extremely passive and do everything you can to not get too far behind. You get forced into playing a certain playstyle which might not be what you want/might not be what you're good at. You might have already locked in pyke and now you're stuck with your pick.
Jungler power farms, top laner gets ganked: “You should have played around having a Yi vs Jarvan, play safer” and the top laner gets angry and maybe afk splits Top laner roams: “Top trolling” and the jungler cries and ragequits before 10 minutes
bro you know this is disengenious, because of roaming bard, agurin lost his entire top side permanently, his game was absolutely over, this isn't the same as a powerfarming jungler, which is what agurin does do, but he also became rank 1 in korea, so he's not a fucking idiot
You can’t say that someone playing off meta should be bannable. If you want to climb and be the best, you are supposed to face the challenges of offmeta picks from your team or enemy team. If you are the best player you would figure out how to make it work and win. But now you say that the player should be banned when he is actually trying to win and you afk. Thats super hypocritical. Nah if you cant win with a roaming top that wins more than 50% of games and climbs then your just mental blocked imo.
This is basically the league version of Magnus Carlsen using nontraditional openers in chess to force the game into a state where memorization is no longer something the opponent can rely on. The fact that the bard can get wins tells something to the community that there is something there that is gapping their knowledge. What these higher elo players don't enjoy is critical thinking and problem solving for a situation. This is why they crack and break down mentally. League is always like this. The reality is everyone is playing their own version of it. Everyone has a different view on the path to take towards what will win them the game. Arguin is literally playing Zyra jungle. Something that not long ago was met with resistance. Nothing specifically made Zyra in recent patches just start getting a ton of play. Just play the game.
when i started watching the "bard controversi" i was about to say what caedrel said, "doesnt baus do the same?? Dont get me wrong i actually enjoy seeing baus gameplay, but i cant help but see the similarities with that bard and why it isnt that bad, just ppl whining over someone playing their version of league, cant they adapt??, are their capabilities so limited they cant stand a different gameplay??, i feel like ppl became too robots to react to this, sad to see a fellow bard player be shun like this :(
Did you not watch the clip? The enemy top laner is 2-3 levels ahead of bard, proxying wave while him and his entire team collapse on augrin in his jgl, while bard takes all the gold and is just aimlessly running around the map. Augrin is down so much cs and levels compared to brand and has zero tempo, while hes being actively pushed out of his jgl by the enemy team. You wonder why people cant adapt is because no one else besides this guy plays like this. idk what games you play but not a single person plays like this in high elo or wants to play like this; its a selfish strategy that he forces his team to play and hes just coin flipping if the enemy is incapable of punishing his strategy and that his team follows his grief plays. Theres a reason he isnt chall and never has been. Baus strategy is not comparable to bardeittes strategy because baus is utilizing his lead in a way that doesn’t compensate his 4 other teammates. Almost every game he has most dmg, items, and towers even if he loses the game. Bard is just a cc bot forcing his team to make plays and hoping for the best. Theres a reason a lot of people in high elo hate this guy, and its not because his gameplay is different and unique, but that it’s frustrating and tilting to face against a enemy top laner that is up 2k gold, up 3-4 levels, and is running in your jgl while have taken 2 top turrets.
@@1828k sometimes people have games, and you're saying he's aimlessly running around the map.. What the hell would you know what he's doing, you're probably silver and have no idea what a good play/bad play looks like.
If man's wants to play gigachad Bard top, let the man play Bard top. Clearly he's doing something right if he can climb with this strat, even if it's not fun for other players involved, but we've had our fair share of those strategies in the past. Besides, it's a common concept to play around ADCs late game, are we gonna ban every toplaner with ego now because they usually don't apply those fundemental rules in the late game? No.
Hot take, it doesn't matter whether you agree with others' strats or not. People are free to explore despite your approval. This does not just go for league, this goes for life. The sooner you accept this, the happier you will be as a person. I promise.
I get it. Basically, the strategy is justified by the existence of tower damage reduction in the first 5 minutes of the game. So, for 5 minutes, Bard can generate tons of advantage on the map because the top laner won't get much stronger than the other laners over the first 5 minutes of the game, maybe collecting at most 2 plates if they have Demolish, and if Bard can get 2 kills (or 1 really devastating kill on a good wave state) on the map in that time, then he snowballs the other side of the map harder than the top laner snowballs his side of the map. Obviously, this is counterbalanced by the fact that you essentially trigger weaksided-top mid-game macro immediately, ending the laning phase: Someone has to deal with the splitpusher while we group for plays, and without a strong top laner, we'll have to do all this as a coordinated team.
disagree with the nemesis argument on bard. so he says playing bard top forces other players to do this volatile gank heavy early game but that also applies the other way. why should he be forced to play league the traditional way? because that is how it always has been?
@@battlecatsubernoob1924 We've had to deal with people playing Singed, Sion and Yorick over and over again, going 0/10 and just split-pushing the whole game, that's also selfish and make 9 other people miserable and play how that one asshole wants. If perma-split pushing and proxy farming are allowed, so should be playing an enchanter roamer toplaner.
Its not cause he is playing bard top. People play a lot of weird shit and thats okay. But the thing is that this bard's playstyle forcefully changes his team's gameplay as well. He makes them play his game instead of letting them play the way they want to. A lot of people find it selfish and dont like it.
@@PichiStail People who consintently go 0/10 with that strat will get banned eventually. Even Baus got banned in many accounts for his strat. And yes, its not any better.
just for clarification, BLG specifically addressed the chair kicking thing and ON said himself that the team atmosphere is great and it was just fooling around
If they are actually doing that, then they are arguing wrong or are just plain stupid. IWD points it out in his full length vid on the guy: -Bardinnit is playing a strat known since like season 2, so no new strat like Baus -Bardinnit is running down every game with Illaoi, in which his team bans Bard -Bardinnit is a good Bard player and could probably reach Challanger as a Bard support otp Btw, there is a clip where Bardinnit says smth like, and I am paraphrasing here, "The fun of others is not my responsibility", but runs down every single game, where he isnt allowed to have fun, because someone banned his Bard. So to sum it up: The strategy is old and shiit, only held up by the skill of the player and the player themselves is a hypocrit, who will resort to straight up inting, if his will isnt accepted. That's the problem with the guy.
Glad you asked for the feedback. Honestly felt like the real video started after the tapin ad and everything else before it could of been cut out. Quality vid once you got into the important stuff.
When top laners lane: "Lol what a useless role, enjoy sitting under tower on your weakside island for 20 minutes before we FF anyway." When top laners roam: "Our top isn't sitting under his tower waiting to get dived. gg x9 top." Let's not pretend the lane isn't just a coinflip on who gets to counter-pick anyway.
4:00 looks like an aggressive posture check to me. 5:20 feel like it's not bardinette in general, but moreso the Strat failing early making the game incredibly toxic to play for agurin.
The thing I notice not a lot of people pointing out (other than IWD) is that the bardinette strat isn’t innovation at all. Remember when Janna was the highest winrate top laner cause she’d just abandon lane and roam around before riot rightfully recognized the strat as cancer and nerfed it out of the game? He’s just doing that, but with bard, after it’s been nerfed numerous times. Really, he’s stuck in the past if you think about it. He could probably be a much higher rank if he just played bard supp. Part of me is convinced he played bard supp to get high elo in the first place.
Love the longer videos would rather them be longer and more high quality meaning less videos than the short form content. Best way I can explain it is I go to TikTok or ig ofr short videos so I love being able to sit down and watch a CZcams video for 15 to 30 to 60 minutes. Thanks for the videos man keep up the hard work we see you
You always have to adjust to what your teammates are doing, that's life in soloque in LoL. People need to get over it and learn to go: "ok, this teammate is doing [this], what do I do given that they are?" and adapt.
and sometimes the adaptation comes to let it go. It's just one game (unless its a constant queueing with this one dude who plays in such a hard style to play around). People in leagues and games today in general are so pampered to "the way its played" (not their fault if Riot wants to control and analyze your behaviours in gaming so bad, and make the game fit so tight to the mold), that everytime some innovations like this happens they are just lost and forget that adaptation is also a skill. It's so boring to see the same shit every year, rotated around oh so little strats options, this is not the Leagues I grew up loving.
Its not so black and white. By that logic i can queue jungle, play without smite and just run top, and you just have to adapt to my playstyle, have fun with that lol.
@@terribleplayer2526 Because you are *never* in control of what your teammates (or the enemy) do. That's just reality of how a MP game works. If you can't handle that, that's a *you* problem. If you believe they are griefing, ok, report them after and hope riot sees it your way and drops the ban-hammer on them. But you still have a game of LoL to play. Agurin's reaction is toxic, even if we grant that the Bard is trolling (which is debatable, given that he's made it to masters 500LP playing this way; obviously it's working well enough to playable at that MMR).
Not to compare between the 2 moba but i really love how in dota 2 it's up to all the pros to create a new ground breaking strat that look like trolling at first but then normal ppl start using it and failed spectacularly
That's a silly argument! Toplaners are constantly forced to play someone else's game! They get counterpicked and the junglers decide what they can do to begin with. ADCs and Supps also are forced to play with another and are influenced by the others pick and style!
Playing top vs. another toplaner and with junglers in mind is literally standard league of legends. As is playing 2 person ADC+supp bot. It's 99.99% of league games. If that's someone else's game what game are you signing up to play when you log in???
Why is this conversation starting from scratch again? We just had janna top doing the same thing in what feels like yesterday. Literally same strategy.
He might be trying his hardest to win but he is toxic and obnoxious af, if somebody wants to ban Bard, he threatens to play illaoi and run it down lmao
Its a completely stupid argument especially from a jungler when originally jungle as a role was off meta and weird. You werent supposed to leave your top laner without a support. What griefers these so called ”junglers” were. Playing the game like it wasnt supposed to be played. Imagine being so bad in the game you cant adapt to someone playing differently. That is not a trait of someone who is supposed to be one of the best players in the world.
I mean I'm gonna be honest. This comment sounds like a silver player ranting. Not only is the Augurin clip lacking context you're also comparing something that happened 13 years ago to something happening today in the game. Perma roam bard top isn't the "new meta changing thing" like the idea of a dedicated jungler was. And before Riot supported jungle with it's own items and summoner spell it was still a niche thing that most games didn't have. Augurin is in the wrong for afking but Bardinitte is in the wrong for being adamant about literally never changing their playstyle even if it causes the game to be lost. The game being lost is on Bardinitte, that doesn't mean that Aug should've afked though.
@@huntersuper98 just because league of legends isnt that old does not mean other mobas similar to league arent over 20 years old. If riot wouldnt nerf every single off meta strat to the ground it would become meta. Are you already forgetting the janna top meta? If riot didnt touch these off meta playstyles it wouldnt be so infuriating to play with a bard top either because it would be better. Remember 3-4 years ago when proxying was considered griefing? Now its suddenly the best meta thing you can do. I can guarantee you that if riot would just allow the game to change it would.
@@mirzu42 What are you on about? Where did I say that League isn't that old? What I said was that you're comparing something that happened over a decade ago to something happening NOW. And then I explained how they aren't comparable even besides that. "Remember 3-4 years ago when proxying was considered griefing? Now its suddenly the best meta thing you can do." I mean not only was proxying NOT considered grief (Literally only doing it was) it's also not even close to the most meta thing you can do. "I can guarantee you that if riot would just allow the game to change it would." Certain types of change are bad believe it or not. That's why Janna top was nerfed into the ground. Everyone hated it besides the people who played it.
@@huntersuper98 everyone hates playing with and against yorick, sion, shaco top, too, and they are still allowed. Proxying the wave and dying for it was considered grief. People would never ever die for a wave. Now that baus has done it for years people have been starting to do the same too. And yes it quite literally is the top meta. Every decent player does it. It is probably the most important macro after core fundamentals. According to league players every change is bad. Teleport change? Garbage. Smite no longer heals? Garbage. Like theres not a world where people wont complain about something. If your point wasnt the age of league then wtf was it? Do you think 13 years ago was somehow special and any meta changes to a very old game genre could only happen then? Its comparable easily because the genre had a meta for 10-15 years already.
@@mirzu42 "everyone hates playing with and against yorick, sion, shaco top, too, and they are still allowed." I mean that's not the same thing as what we're talking about at all but go off. Either you're arguing in bad faith or you don't know what you're talking about. Baus's strategy no longer works and the general playerbase stopped doing it over a year ago. In response to it being the "meta" you clearly don't understand what you're even saying. When you say that Proxy strat is meta that implies that as you were talking about Baus that dying for wave on repeat in the meta which is objectively is not. The only time players Proxy is when it's a good idea to do so which while happens is not exceedingly common in game. "According to league players every change is bad." While this is correct some change is indeed bad. K'sante was a change made to the game that so far has only had negative affects on it. Not all change is good change. "If your point wasnt the age of league then wtf was it? Do you think 13 years ago was somehow special and any meta changes to a very old game genre could only happen then? Its comparable easily because the genre had a meta for 10-15 years already." People didn't know how to play the game back then. They didn't know what items were good, what strategies actually worked, what champs were actually good and why, etc. The playerbase's knowledge was in it's infancy, pro players would be akin to modern day high emerald low diamond players at best. That's why comparing the changing in meta and new strategies then to now just doesn't work. They were basically completely different games that happened to be in the same genre. Nowdays League for the most part is "solved". While new things show up occasionally most of the game has been figured out and so new strats need to be rigorously tested before they can even be considered viable let alone good.
It is called adaptability. If i can adapt and win with a griefing team mate running it down, or a full AP Tryndamere, or Yumi mid, then I'm pretty sure you can stop crying and adapt to a Masters level Bard roaming. There are so many champions and things which make all other 9 players play a match differently, so I don't see why this is any different.
Hearing the dragon roost island always gives me flashbacks to Zelda: wind waker and how great this game was. And here I am, not remembering any of the league games I played last week
The bard top strat is funny because bard was my troll pick whenever the lobby was toxic and i felt like we'd lose anyways, I'd just leave my lane and annoy the other lanes. It allows me to turn my brain off completely and we'd win too. Works with nunu too.
Problem of Caedrel's argument is the fact that he comes from that everything has to be about elo. No it doesn't. I play toplane for fun. I love laning. If I'm playing against shit like this I have to do essentially nothing for 15 minutes. Just imagine 15 minutes of Camille free farming. Literal. Fucking. Torture.
What if your opponent thinks playing against Camille isn't fun tho? Is your opponent's fun a reason to stop playing your way? Should we perma all vayne top players, who bully bruisers and making their laning phase unfun?
@@arnaudbouquet3142 I don't care. Vayne is fun to play against. Toplane is supposed to be played this way. These people go out of their way to make us go out of our way. If you play roaming support top you are just too bad to play actual roaming support as a support. When you go to play football, you expect to play football. When guy starts playing golf on football field he gets punched in the head and for a reason. Same shit works in top. If you queue up top you expect to play top, not world of warcraft
Play draft if you just want to play for fun it’s literally so simple. Every single one of you is just making the argument that you just want to play draft. Ranked is about winning and losing, climbing the elo ladder. If you want to play for fun there are like 10 other game modes that aren’t ranked. You are the same types of players who first pick the new champ in ranked and don’t care that it has a 30% win rate.
Idk why people just dont pick nasus against it...if he just completely opens lane imagine a nasus just freezing and free farming til teamfights happen...hed get x4 reported every game lmfao
Sounds like Bardin fanboy logic because that is the exact excuse he uses himself. They complain because he goes into lanes, siphons resources, leaves a top laner to free scale, and is ENTIRELY coin flipping every single game, and it is without a doubt 100% coin flipping because this is a strat that his teammates have to adapt to on the fly, and whether or not they can keep up or deal with being literally griefed as a strat is absolutely a coin flip.
so in your eyes, it would be fine, if in football, the defender runs between goalie and enemy attacker, when the team agreed on playing for offside trap? because when you queue up for ranked you innately agree to playing a certain way, with a confined room for creativity. but hey, you can hostage your team by threatening to run them down if they dont do what you demand ^^, that seems like the behaviour of a reasonable person and not a narcissist :D
You are just wrong about that. If I went to play basketball with some randoms on a court and everyone said "gaurd your man" and I decided "nah fuck that. I'm gonna go chase the ball" they're gonna kick me from the court. It doesn't matter if I'm really good at scoring or stealing from them. If I'm not playing to the strategy that the team has agreed to play then I'm the problem. This is the exact same situation, but the problem is you can't kick teammates from League.
got back into league in the last 6 months after playing it in high school about 10 yrs ago. I've looked everywhere I could on the internet and still cant fathom why this game doesn't have a personal player blacklist linked to my account where I can put accounts that I never want to play with again in my life. Yes, the classic retort will be queue times but that's a cop-out. World of Tanks has this feature and it works fine and is a game which has a fraction of the LoL playerbase (8 mil vs 150 mil registered accounts, maybe lower cuz of 2nd and 3rd accounts), 10x the daily playercount (16k vs 25mil), and has 15v15 matches and still at most has 3-4 min queue times (average is about 1 min)
banning a player for trying an inventive new strategy (which is what games are literally all about) while he is having fun AND trying to win is purely stupid and egotistical. why tf would he have to cater to how you want to play?
imo veigarv2 had the only correct take. "its not the bard top i hate, its the way he plays it." bard top can definitely work, but it is super clear that bardinette definetely cannot pilot it and makes basic mistakes. even if he did play it super well, it should not be a forced pick. in higher elos the draft should be, "can my pick be at the very least a good/reasonable choice?", instead of "i pick my champ and style regardless of enemy."
i hate that so many channels do advertising for Tapin, since its boosting site that hide that fact by only offering duo boosting but its still mainly a boosting site that should not b advertised
Why should you care so much about how other people are feeling and their ways of playing in soloQ? I lock in heimerdinger top and sit pushed in hoping to 1v2 their top and jng. It works sometimes and it doesnt most. But its fun. I like playing like that. Why should I care if my jungler is so pressed about me playing how I want. I support the Bard top player till the end. If something is fun. Works. And most importantly isn't toxic. (I can argue that his playstyle isn't toxic its literally what champion does the best (roam) but just picked on another lane) Why should you care if your jungler or anyone else in that whole game is mad? I have learned that playing league for yourself and to win is the only way to actually climb in soloQ so I don't see this as a problem AT ALL.
"if someone was kicking my chair like that id just throw it at them" my first thought was sureee you could, then remembered rival is jacked af and died laughing XD
to be fair all i can say is that all poeple complaining about that bard top thing just need to remove the stick up their arse and stop thinking of the game in one way thats what makes league so boring and unfun no one inovates no one have fun and the only ones who have fun ( and help you win im not talking of inters ) are frowned on and punished as a community we should be more open to new stuff and inovate instead of just following wathever challenger korean player dictate
Cause you assume everyone love and only want to play "standard League" when maybe they actually like chaos. I've been playins suppirt shaco with smite and playing all game in enemy jungle, leaving my adc alone all game for 2 years, and some people add me every game to play with me, about half of the playerbase or a big third thrown upon chaos and enjoy playing bizarre League
1 everyone want to disconnect anyway if you look at the state of solo queue no one is having fun anymore 2 the problem isnt the 1 player having fun its the 9 others unable to addapt or make their own fun
The problem with your logic is that he isn't innovating anything. This was an old method developed by someone else several season ago when it was actually OP. It's not some new thing, it's literally just a dead strategy that he decides to play because he thinks it makes him unique. This is just clout chasing. He's a great bard player! If he played Bard support I 100% garuntee he would have a higher WR and probably be challenger right now.
It's a COMPETITIVE TEAM GAME, dude. He deliberately weakens his team by doing it. That's just an objective fact. Any strategy where your objective is to just abandon your lane and let your opponent free farm and get plates and a turret is just objectively wrong.
It's so fucking annoying to me how the narrative in gaming has completely shifted at the competitive level. "Try harding" makes you a loser, "just letting people have fun" makes you cool. Competitive isn't supposed to be about fun. No one at the TOP of any competitive sport is playing to "have fun". You CAN have fun doing what you love, but that shouldn't be your goal if you're into COMPETITIVE sports. It's to WIN. You would never go up to Tiger Woods, Tom Brady or Kobe Bryant and say, "You're trying too hard, just play for fun".
big difference between this Bard and Baus is the fact that there is a reasonable rationale behind one and not behind the other. Baus was abusing design flaws in the bounty and catch-up system, and he went from a GM player to a Challenger player. The rationale behind the Bard is "my enemy laners are too bad to a) convert the top lead and b) will grief against me out of boredom", which, surprise, stops working once past a pretty low point on the skill curve
You act as if GM+ only consists of perfectly playing robots with no emotion. This is still league and it's still solo queue. People tilt, are toxic and make mistakes even in high elo. We literally just saw Agurin afk because "the game is over and he can't play". Whenever has that been an okay thing to do, especially on stream?? The Bard is trying to win, case closed. If the playstyle is bad for the game, it's on Riot to nerf it out of existence, not on the Bard to listen to League's angry Twitter mob.
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It's totally fine to be quite behind on the news, but the Agurin part feels odd since you are making the video now when we have more info I think but you do not include it. Agurin answered to what happened, and I think it makes sense to believe him that it wasn't because of top he afk, it was because he had no chance to even jgl and it was just a slow death waiting. Saying afterwards it was wrong to afk, obviously, but that was the reason not Bard.
The Faker story from the LPL is not much we can do about, other language and different interpretations of intent etc. But it's not black and white as most get to hear about it.
5:08 Careful with your wording... That Bard top is not why he afk... But the fact that the opponent know Agurin have no top laner (Bard perma roam), so opponent mid-top-jg can perma invade Agurin top side jg (in the clip you can even see Leona also raom invade), make the game unplayable for him... Good player will immediately understand that was a losing game...
Liked the longer vid
The crab was named after Teemo because it camouflages itself by standing completely still.
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this guy gets it
How is this top comment ya’ll will like anything 💀
“Lets see what Nemesis has to say”
“Lets open the vod”
Automatically better than anyone who gave a take on twitter
but lol he is saying his team does not consent to this strategy :D
pls tell me how many teammates consent to the usual rage splitting top strategy every losing top laner does lol, thus making his team play 4vs5 all game
or every rage quitter or feeder(which we do have a "few" in this game dont we?)
@@FirstBaka yeah it's a bad arguement, no one is consenting to anything playing league, like just watch the chatt and see the slurs; did anyone consent to getting bullied in game?
@@jonathaneriksson9273 agreed and to be honest I get it its a competitve game, but lets be real only a small percentage of the playerbase can reach the highest elo, so the whole playerbase should just chill, your life is not on the line in the game.
The biggest problem with all these games not just league that it became too competitive.. but its just my take
@@jonathaneriksson9273 yeah. you did. youre keeping chat on, thats on you. youre not muting the person "bullying" you, thats on you. you give a fuck about these type of things, thats on you.
@@nysticalzs6312 Nice victim blaming right there.
gotta love how people are debating whether somebody's individual playstyle is acceptable, because it forces everyone to play a certain way, meanwhile there are several champions in game that have the same effect simply by existing....
Well said
Yuumi for example
This this 100% say for example you have aatrox top. You have to play a certain way to make sure that he can do well. If all of the other champs on your team are squishy poke champs. Aatrox is going to be useless this is why team comp is a thing. Certain champs perform well or poorly with certain other champions. Bard is not forcing you to play a certain way every champion does this. Singed top does this. Rammus top does this. Sona and janna top did this and it was broken and they nerfed it and it did the same thing. I have how much innovation is stifled in this game because as soon as you remotely break out of the mold everyone thinks you should be banned for trying. When garen/yuumi bot was a thing and it was broken in pro play and it had to be nerfed to shook up the playstyle and it was good. FFS
Literally Bard except when played in support, his intended lane, doesn't leave a huge gaping hole in a lane when he does his roams unlike Bardinette and his "strat". So even the argument of "he is trying to innovate" falls flat since his champ already does roams and can force map plays but in a role that isn't as volatile as top (volatile here meaning that the enemy laner simply isn't left to farm exp and gold in an uncontested lane unlike bot where there it is at least a 1v2 and no inflated exp gain) and doesn't just make the game needlessly hard for the same benefit
I can't think of a single champion in the game that when played in the intended positions does anything even remotely close to this. There are a lot of reasons to defend Bardinette, this is not one of them.
Agurin said multiple times that he didnt care about the Bard and that he was not the problem while he was reacting to Nemesis's reaction. It was just unplayable.
Just as unplayable as weakside Garen vs Vayne top ? Guy also can't play, should he afk as well? Or just "play safe"? or "play better"?
Mind you that toplane experience is way more common than JG being bullied
@@Fr33mxit's about the jungle, zyra is a scaling champ she needs to farm camps as many as possible. Did you watch the clip? Zyra can't even farm on her own jungle camp. Where does the afk come? Being invaded whenever you're going to your own camp and literally AFK is just the same
@@Fr33mxima be honest this feels so much worse than weak side garen vs vayne top because at least you can just leech xp and try to play the game. This is first picking something that has a semi weak early game, getting counter picked by Darius, getting cheesed in a bush level 1, tping back to lane, he crashes the wave and it bounces back to him, and then he kills you after your tp, and he freezes for 10 minutes and zones you off xp. It’s like the jungle equivalent of that, except it happens slower and once you reach that point of no return of uselessness, there’s almost no way to come back unless the enemy really fucks up.
Essentially, the reason why Agurin had no way to go in his topside jungler (since he needs it bc he was playing a scaling jungler with a high gold demand) was all bc of Bardinette's fault
He said he didn't mind bard as a pick, not that he didn't mind the strategy.
The difference from baus' playstyle is that he keeps his laner in check. Bardinette just complete ignores the fact he is top lane
Feels like this is what many comments miss here. Yes, everyone could play any champs at any roles, but if the person itself doesn't know what he did and even doesn't know itemization to play the role ? That's what happen with Bardinette, and people only focusing on Agurin AFK.
ye, Baus always drag 2-3 enemies to his lane and his team can do what they want. And Bard situation is opposite.
Not really, Baus does proxy 80% of his games, you would think he keeps his later in check by this, but the same can be said for Bard top, who by roaming is keeping bot, mid, and jgl in check
You can even argue that playing a power farmer jgl can benefit you with this play style, since you full clear and take the toplane wave from time to time
@@omega7057 Heavily disagree with everything youve just written lol. Baus somewhat keeps his laner in check since by proxying the other wave will instantly crash into the tower making it harder to move, where as Bards laner can do whatever they want and even take plates and the tower. Bard also doesnt really keep the other laners "in check", they already have someone they are laning against lol. And lastly no, its a terrible argument. First of all you get massively reduced xp and if you kill too many minions you will get massively reduced gold as well. Secondly, the game doesnt work that way on a high level. The main reason why its frustrating for Agurin is that the Bard has essentially decided to forfeit his entire topside jungle. With the level difference and the toplaner free to move, he can never contest any toplane camps so he cant powerfarm, which is why you see the enemy team just running him down in his own jungle. The issue with the playstyle isnt just that Bard sacrifices his own lane, he sacrifices the jungle as well and the enemy gets a super strong toplaner. I would never want to play with this player myself if im honest, especially not if i were to play jungle lol.
@@Nikolai-pf1dm isn't that Bard's whole identity? Sacrify your lane in favor of the other lanes? It's literally the same he does in support, the only difference is instead of the ADC being 3 man dived is the toplaner getting 4 plates
And yes, you do keep the other lanes in check cause get the fuck what, if you are getting ganked by 4 people in the mid or botlane, you can't do shit, you just wait under tower and, if you're lucky enough, maybe Bard will miss his ult and not 4 man dive you at minute 8
It is simple.
It is SOLO queue, you do what you want to try to climb. If it works you climb if it doesn't you don't. Does it suck for the other 9 people? Yes. Is it punishable? No.
But guess what else isn't punishable. Banning bard when playing with bardinette.
He literally has a google slide presentation he links where he says he will play Illaoi and int if you ban bard. He has a 0% winrate on Illaoi with over a hundred games. So you take your pick; play 4v5 with bard or play 4v5 with illaoi. Oh but it's not punishable btw.
@@mrmcawesome9746 inting with illaoi is reportable tho ... no way he has a hundred games tho
@@d4s0n282 I would imagine he is soft inting on illaoi which for some god forsaken reason is not bannable by riot.
@@honorablegigachad6946 fyi it is bannable, people just prob not reporting it when hes just doing that
@@honorablegigachad6946
It doesn't matter what champion Bardinette picks if his one trick is banned, he won't be playing at a Master's level on any other champion.
Let's say you one trick any champ, and that champ gets banned. Now you're stuck at your peak ELO, and no matter what champion you pick you'll play as if you're boosted. Because news flash - one tricks are only that rank on that one champ.
my take on this vod is that why is the leona roaming in Agurin's jugl. This is clearly a sup diff
And a mid diff too. The trynda is literally 5/0, No matter how u look at it, ur losing the game
Definitely also felt the leona's influence was ignored there
That is literally one of the reasons Agurin mentioned in the VOD, Redditors and youtube comments just cant check for some reason
bard is perma roaming and has 3 deaths, malph and bards death are 5 in total and he just died to trynd without watching the vod its safe to assume bard contributed to trynds kills at least more than once
@@thor8606ya she zoned him off of raptors far more. Trynd only took the kill when leona engaged.
Okay, I get the argument that "you force everyone to play your game", but guess what, that's literally drafting in league
Imagine I play adc, and my support picks Nautilus, now I know that I have to pick an adc that wants to either be agressive or synergizes with him
If I don't and I pick Jinx for example, I'm forcing my support and my jgl to play a very diferent game that they had in mind
Now imagine that our team is full ad, and my jgl decides to pick graves, he literally fucked the entire draft and now we will likely lose the game if the enemy team has a simple understanding of itemization, well then our jungle just decided to complete alter the game that we're playing by putting us in a disadvantage, yet you can tell that "intentional inting"
Now imagine if your support picks teemo then goes top/mid all game leaving you -50 CS behind in lane and sometimes more if their jungler decides to punish you for what the teemo is doing, the teemo sits top where the enemy top sits behind his turret and lasthits safely while you get 3 man dove on repeat. Then you are having a bad day so you decide to afk, now some cringe redditors who never 3 ranked games decide to morally f over this and how its actually okay to play teemo support and afk toplane, you just need to adapt. Oh yeah wasn't that nubrac? Wasn't he banned?
@@terribleplayer2526 the difference is that bardinette actually pays of and doesn't just afk in the midlane taking cs like that creature did, and don't treat three man diving in the botlane as a rarity when that happens both in soloq and proplay by supports doing shitty roams
ADC is design to be a team dependent role, if your support is shit roaming and getting nothing in return, you get cooked, the difference is that the support actually tries to play for other lanes
Wanna see that in action without being a trolling teemo? Check out tiltirella, or, idk, any fucking Bard otp out there
What a shit comparison, everyone consents to Aggressive or passive playstyle, you arent even forced to play aggressive, you ARE on the other hand forced to play into a 200 CS min 18 2 Turrets 10 K gold Renekton
@@SAWYERFAN.1so you're forced to fight a fed enemy? By playing the game you consent to playing against any type of enemy.
Ur argument is restarded and just shows how low elo u are. Picking naut support has NOTHING IN COMMON with picking bard top and not laning.
Bardinette is getting inted on stream every 2 game, very funny and deserved.
i think something of note on the agurin-bardinette situation is that agurin also has a style of playing the game that his team is force to adapt to. Agurin is a farm focus, scaling focused jungler, and while that might work for him consistently in most of his games, that doesnt make it the 100% correct decision every single time. that game was an example of it being the wrong decision. He picked zyra jungle with a bard top. He knew, at the very least, that he was very likely to get pressured out of the topside of the map, but didn't opt to pick a strong early jg to potentially ward off invades. If bardinette were a kayle player instead, it's very likely that the same situation could occur, but because roaming bard top is an off meta strategy, he thinks it's ok to afk.
Well said. I'd also say it matters on pick order too. Agurin could have picked Zyra jg before Bardinette picked bard top and then he get's his tempo and gameplay screwed. But ultimately Agurin's play style isn't as awful as Bardinette's. Bardinette locks in as an almost second jg, but queues top and leaves it open for the enemy top to snowball. If he picked support and went roaming support / Double JG, it would be fine because bard's play style is made for that.
@@OneAndOnlyJanko idk but agurin legit said that he didnt afk because it was a bard top but because the shutdowns all went to the 2 support champions and the mid and adc were autofilled and every lane was useless at that point of the game, he himself said that people are oddly fixated on bardinette
The big difference is agurins playstyle is relatively normal for league, while bardinette's makes the game a clown fiesta. Agurin's playstyle reached rank 1 multiple times, proving his strategy is the best, while bardinettes stays stuck at masters
@Kiandough not going to claim that bardinette has perfected a godlike playstyle, but correct me if I'm wrong, I really doubt that you've made it to masters. Masters is the upper 1% percentile. A guy that is "stuck in masters" is still doing better than 99% of the player base.
@@ThomasFromNorkhe made it to masters because he's mechanically gifted at bard. He'd be much higher if he wasn't forcing his team into these coin flip scenarios
Honestly, the chair kicking also looks like he wants him to sit upright, checking on his team mates' back you know.
yeah because that chubby guy totally looks like the caring type looooool
@@FirstBaka def looks like a big bully who just does whatever he wants lmao
obviously speculation but welcome to the internet, chubby goat
That was my reaction too.
@@FirstBakai mean let's not be too parasocial man we don't know shit about their personal relationships
@@reginaldmustardbacon5866 nah you can tell, the chubby guy s expression is the typical sly and evil type+ I dont know any human who would like to be treated like that. I have 20+ year old friendships and I would def not take anything like that even from them
I think some people are confused as to why Agurin was upset in the first place about bard top. It's not even that he's forcing people to play league his way. That's a separate discussion. It's more that junglers require crossmapping to farm, look for opportunities, and stay in the game.
Due to the nature of jungle in high elo, this strategy directly affects the jungler's farm, radically offsets tempo, and any enemy team worth their salt will know to take advantage of it. It's DIFFICULT to know how to play with a roaming bard top if you never have before (maybe not even difficult, but you're put on the spot since it's abnormal), but it's EASY for good players to take advantage of a jungler who's down in levels and xp; and more importantly, to prevent them from getting back into the game since enemy jungle will nearly always have tempo.
I don't think Agurin should've AFK'd, but I really don't blame him.
He said he didn't care about the Bard multiple times reacting to Nemesis he said it was just unplayable
mid take L bozo
@@fireflameft2964 Totally fair. Perhaps upset was the wrong word. I more was referring to the community outcry for him afking and his justifications for it on stream. I wasn't trying to make Agurin sound bad for that ofc.
With this strategy i think that splitting the map bot is best, but that is something you gotta do from lvl 1. If you split the map you can dive bot mid on repeat very easily.
In all honesty, Agurin just didnt know how to adapt his game plan. Vertical jungling is something ive seen people do like once or twice effectively but it is very powerful if done right and in this situation it would had allowed him to just not interact with his top side jungle which was the problem.
its lil bit inaccurate to say agurin went afk cause he had a bard top. agurin played to win even tho his team fell severely behind very quickly in the game and agurin himself got perma invaded by 3 players while every kill his team did manage to get landed on bard and pyke, who both cant use the gold. he went afk cause he rationalized that him being afk under tier 2 tower (which essentially was what he was being reduced to cause of the invades and the gold deficit) or being afk in base made little difference and he thought it was a waste of time. its not a gold game its a challenger/master game, the enemy team would maybe throw in 1/10000 games but the miserable game state wasnt quite worth those odds.
"lil bit" its MASSIVELY disingenuous as hell
@@SAWYERFAN.1 im in the business of slightly understating my points
Hello i'm the Bard Guy. I'm just playing the way i find most enjoyable, while trying my best every single game and never being toxic.
And that's the only thing i owe my team mates. I know its a bit original so i share a guide & discord link to increase team play synergy.
I would like to thank everyone who supported me through this witch hunt. I'm just a dude chilling while playing the video game at a high level. Don't hate me
Thanks for clarifying :)!
"and never being toxic" 0-120 illaoi record says what?
N'écoutes pas les rageux qui sont encore plus malveillant que Chapipi et Cacabalas
M8, it's not original if it's a strategy that was specifically nerfed out of the game years ago
not threatening everyone to play illaoi if bard gonna get ban and run it down? 😢😢😢
Caedral is absolutely right. It’s a videogame and that’s the way he plays and has fun. The rest of the other people are projecting their unhappiness. If you have a player that plays a new strategy that’s the whole point of playing a videogame.
New strategy? You sure about that?
im pissing in the wind but i feel like a fucking boomer. if you look to the roots of league (dota/aos) you'd realize that the core systems of a moba are more dynamic than riot wants and players have gaslit themselves into believing. there were times where junglers weren't even always a given and lanes werent so fleshed out. if you look towards dota now you'd see that it still holds a healthy balance between 1-1-3 lanes and 1-1-2 lanes, junglers are not a given, trilanes exist and lane swaps can happen as early as 5 minutes in. this is normal even at a competitive level. the rhetoric that other players need to consent to how you chose to play the game is so dangerious, i get flamed every other game for playing velkoz apc bot and despite manatining a 60% winrate it's a constant stream of stupidity. people dont care if what you're doing is optimal or not, they just want what they're used to. that defeats the purpose of a strategy game. in dota it's completley normal for a aux support to eat massive xp penalties and be 7+ levels behind because they're stacking jungle camps but they win more because of it. in league we got taric yi funneling and janna top and riot had a fucking heart attach instead of letting players shape their own meta.
It's not featured here, which is disingenuous in my opinion, but Dom pointed out in his reaction, that roaming bard top is by no means a new strategy. It's a strategy from almost 10 years ago, which never truly worked and got nerfed as well. He also points out, that Bardinette is actually a really good Bard player. He actually believes, that Bardinette could climb to Challanger if he just played Bard bot and learned matchups.
It's an old, nerfed strategy played by a good otp.
Another thing to point out is that when his team bans Bard, he picks Illaoi and intentionally feeds.
Caederal 100% doesn't understand the problem which is not the innovative.
Bard got as high as could doing what he is doing as toxic to people as it is because it's not the assumes game. The problem is not that. The main problem. It is that he doesn't change it when it doesn't work.
Example of what caederal is talking about is bauss. Bauss will 100% play tank sion or try different picks. BARD DOES NOT DO THAT YOU IDIOT.
You and many others who can't get that. You are the what's wrong with the game period. Not bard. Not bauss. Not people who type endlessly. Not afk people. Not soft int.
YOU.
Why?
Because you are why they get away with it.
If it's allowed by the game, and it's with the intention to win the game, it is allowed. If the strategy works despite it being not fun, it's on Riot to nerf it.
the whole controvery started because the guy forces this in every situation even if it,as in the game with agurin, is passively inting the game
But that is exactly what Riot has done 2 years ago where roaming Janna Top was Meta for 2 patches and since then it's just trash and essential playing 4v5 specially with Grubs added to the game. U will never generate that much worth by roaming then the enemy top will by getting 2 Turrets and 5 Platings. It won't hurt him to play Bard support, where it's much more useful
the problem is the strategy doesn't work and isn't fun for teammates, Riot has basically removed the strategy with the support item changes this season. Bardinette forces his team to play against a top laner that is up 4-5 levels and several thousand gold, relying on them to be carried as he provides such a small amount of support with his strategy.
@@sanholo9494 It was meta because it was strong it showed how sacking a lane to make other lanes perform well is a reasonable strategy and they nerfed it. They wouldn't nerf something that isnt working or isnt strong.
Yeah, basically my take. I understand being aggravated by it, and don't really think it's healthy for the game because of how your team has to deal with it, but it's up to Riot to fix it. Which they probably will, since it's not their vision for the game and how it should be played and all that jazz.
You guys don't understand how hard it is to get at least Masters with Bardinette's playstyle. The guy literally is climbing with handicap. It's like playing shooting games using only dagger and he climbs wtf.
Somehow it's cool, when laners are forced to be weaksided, because jungler player decided so, and they have no say in the matter. But when a laner forces jungler player to play something he doesn't want (Janna/Bard/whatever top) it's suddenly an insanely huge problem and he doesn't need to just adapt, like laners are told to, but riot will come to the rescue and nerf the strategy :D
Junglers legit made me stop playing lol it's impossible to play this meta if your jg is gapped. These players are always toxic and extremely uncooperative.
You are legit silvers pls stop commenting on yt
tell me you've never tracked a jungler ever in your life without telling me that you've never tracked a jungler in your life
@@SabinIonita yes, totally love the gatekeeping. doing a great job gatekeeping. that gate is well kept. not a single person will have any issues with your keeping of that gate.
Playing Weakside and not playing at all is very different. The fuck are u on about. U would all go batshit if ur silver bard does this in your game.
With wintrading the creepy part is that ALL player suspects are severally punished and likely will race into personal debt... But the managers and associated "office people" get a slight warning and can just restart a new team
Players who hold their team hostage with their sub-par playtyle/strategy is literally what happens in every game of League of Legends. When it happens in the middle tier brackets, the community just laughs it off and says "git gud," but when this crap happens in high elo games, well all of a sudden, those complaints now become valid in the eyes of the community! That's so weird!
Idk what's weird about it. The karma player in this video literally got banned for wintrading over movement that would be considered normal everyday gameplay in silver because the impact of small mistakes is significantly higher in pro play. Not to say that inting bard and sion top shouldn't be banned in silver, but it's perfectly normal that the community doesn't care much when bad players in a "bad" elo use bad strategies. It's expected, and if you're just playing better than your opponents you're bound to climb even with that in mind, whereas the higher elo you go the harder it becomes to just outskill your opponents and win 4v5.
Honestly, by this point hostage taking should come fucking back.
Force these people to buy accounts over and over again, they're easy to snipe, they're the top 1%, just try over and over again until SOMETHING goes right and you get to put them in 3 hour games.
4:09 to play devil's advocate the guy didn't turn around even once to complain and the guy kicking stopped when he put his chair up, so maybe it was him looking out for his sitting posture. Just a guess tho idk.
I feel like most people who are offended by that clip are, quite frankly, fatherless. I had my dad do this kind of shit to me all the time as a teen.
That's what I thought too.
i geninely think that dude is like "sit tf up u gon be crippled by the age of 35 if u sit like that"
@@TheSmartCinemaeither fatherless or brother less or friendless he’s just messing with him idk why people are tweaking
@@TheSmartCinema Lmao you got gaslighted into thinking getting kicked was normal. Most people in 1st world countries don't have their dads kick them.
Love the longer form content of league news obv not always possible but always fun to watch you go through everythin happenin
The chair kicking clip is just him waking up the player who was obviously asleep in his chair
Bard explanation from someone who has watched full games unlike half the streamers weighing in: Yes theres a level diff top, It is a funnel strat that typically FAVOURS his jungler, so agurin just saw a strat that wasn't his and mental boomed. Typically, Bards jg benefits and gets strong. They can influence the rest of the map together while the top laner gets stronger than bard, but if that top laner lives on his island the rest of his team is losing and the game is gone. If the top laner tries to join, bard in particular has great cc, aoe lockup ult and disengage through tunnels which makes it very difficult for the enemy team to force anything. It's like the macro version of playing into pinkwards ap shaco, so you can see why teams get frustraded by it.
Bard counterargument from someone who has watched full games, like IWD and Nemesis both did on stream (you liar): He wins because he gambles on his team carrying him. It's that simple. It's why support is the most inflated role in the game, you can climb just by getting another player ahead and latching onto their leg for the rest of the game. Playing this exact playstyle with bard support would easily get Bardinette challenger, but instead he decides to make the game harder and more frustrating on his team by making it so the enemy has a fed toplaner every single game.
@@mrmcawesome9746 half the streamers = all the streamers gg illiterate opinion invalidated
@@mrmcawesome9746getting carried and setting a team up to be successful are two very different things. Ensuring that 4 players are winning is just statistically better than ensuring one single lane does. Which is how the climb works.
Also, any high level player will tell you to identify the strongest member of your team and play around them. Not because you want to get carried, but because working together you are much stronger that way.
@@atsukana1704 And all those are things that bard support does _without_ also ensuring that enemy top is mega ahead at the same time. Like it's categorically worse to play around your strongest player and make them fed while also feeding your top laner than it is to do it but not give free farm, plates and towers. You might even say it's intentionally trolling the game at that point...
@@mrmcawesome9746 "Gambles on his team carrying him"? Wish I could go in troll my games and get carried by amazing teammates consistently over time to high winrate / high elo... Have you played this season? Funniest comment 2024
9:00 this is why I don't care about ranked, every community just decides what is fair and doesn't adapt when people play what they are best at. To be fair the bard is not doing well but it's so annoying that this is the response
You cant expect 4 people to adapt to one forced int rather than the inter
or maybe the one inting entire topside should adapt and realize this playstyle doesn't work every game?
This is just like the Proxy, or Riven Shen or Dual AP bot lane, where its always seen as troll until a few months later... where everyone wants a go.
how is opening toplane compared to proxy or dual ap? river shen is a straight up meme and not an actual strat. This is griefing
@@terribleplayer2526 When people first started Shen mid that was the argument against it too, that it was a fail and it was just a new taken on river Shen. But after a couple of years now, Shen mid is a normal playstyle.
@@randomstuff6332shen mid isn’t close to the same thing as river shen
@@hatezomm Now that Shen mid is mainstream, nobody calls it that either. Yet at the beginning, all the opponents of Shen mid were calling it another take of river Shen.
@@randomstuff6332 With Shen mid you were catching waves then constantly roaming. It works because tanks don’t need much gold in them to be useful. I don’t think you know what river Shen really is. River Shen has you only staying in river without going to lane, and replying to the team with only the words “River Shen”. It’s a less developed strategy of this Bard OTP
A lot of problems like the bard situation become a lot easier to play around when you have proper communication. I.e. voice coms.
the gameplay in the background is wild with a 1/16 zac with around 2.5csp and enemy lethality poppy sup with locket opportunity
shaping the meta game, inspired by the top bard
Honestly, looking at the clip… I fail to see how this is Bard’s fault. And I say this as a jungle main.
Bard has 100% kill participation. His malphite midlane is getting curb stomped by a Tryndamere. The Renekton is 0/1/2, meaning he’s done basically nothing. The Zyra jungle is dying topside… to a Leona. Not to the toplaner. And his botlane is not even managing to all-in the Ezreal 2v1, with Kai’sa Pyke of all botlanes.
Honestly, the only thing that could really make me side against this Bard is if he jumpscare locked Bard in draft at the last second. If you know you’re going to have a Bard top, it’s your problem as a jungler if you locked in a jungler who is vulnerable to invades. Lock in a strong duelist instead of a squishy immobile mage jungle.
No he doesn't jump scare lock it. He plays it every game. Also look at his level and CS. He perma roams allowing the top laner to get complete free farm. At the same time he uses the support item which gives shit for gold unless you are hitting minions to share gold with another laner. Also by perma roaming he's siphoning xp from other laners. Great he has 100% kp, with 2 kills and 2 assists he's about even with the 0 kill 2 assist renekton in gold and 2 levels down.
@@JackTR21bard doesnt require a lot of golds or exp
Okay let's pause at 9:50 or some shit, so we all can see the stat board.
I am a GM Teemo player in Vietnam, I have played with several Challengers and Pros in my life. Despite having > 55% WR on my champ, people always think of me as a troll, just like this Bard, meanwhile I'm the one who always tries my hardest to win the game, so I guess I can have a few words on this.
Okay, look at the stat board, who is the most productive person in the game? Bard. He had a KDA of 2/3/2, a few CS off from Renekton doesn't matter that much, it's just some level gap, Renekton doesn't affect anyone as well, he's 0/1/2 and it was just 8 minutes into the game. Well, let's compare the enemies with other players on his team.
Tryndamere 5/0 vs Malphite 0/2
Ezreal - Leona 5/2/4 vs Kaisa - Pyke 2/4/2
Brand 1/1/5 vs Zyra 0/2/2
Do we agree that all of them all lost to their opponents regardless Bard was in the game or not, even Bard was roaming to help them? How can you let a Tryndamere get 5/0? How can you, Agurin, as the jungler, the top 1 on the server, died two time with 2 KP, let your Brand opponent get 6 KP and blame Bard for ruining the game? The bot lane also completely lost with Ezreal leading 3 kills ahead the 0/1 Kaisa, you can't tell me Bard did that.
It's funny when people look at the game, they blame the most different person on the team instantly just because that person plays the game differently than what they previously know about the game. Bard was the most productive person on the team and that's a fact. If none of his teammates played better than him or was more productive than him, then it's their fault, there's no one else to blame but themselves, for being bad at the game and ruined their own game.
For Agurin, if he picked Zyra before Bard, I don't blame him, but he could have picked another versatile jungler that doesn't require stable sidelaners to play the game, he himself gambled on his sidelaners, so take that L and move on I guess. It's the same when you pick Ivern, Karthus into Khazix, Reksai, you can't just blame your teammates for that because it's also your fault as well. On the other hand, if he picked Zyra after Bard, it's totally his fault and I have nothing else to say about it.
So yeah, tldr, before you blame someone else, you must look at yourself first, see if you did the job as good as them, if you did the job well, okay then you can have some words on the other person, if you didn't, suck it up and move on because you deserve that just as much as him. He didn't complain about YOU being bad, why should you?
at the time of the clip agurin got 3 man invaded for the 3rd time in 6 minutes, he also stated multiple times that he didnt "go afk because of bard top", he went afk because from that point onward walking out of base was literally suicide, he was no longer allowed to play the game. how would him dying on respawn for 10 more minutes help his team? now I am not saying that going afk was alright, but reddit kept arguing over bard top when that wasnt even relevant to the issue at hand.
@@M4RH4V3N Oh yes just because he said that so you actually believed he didn't go afk because of Bard top.
5:42 "If my Bard wasn't f*cking disgusting we could play, but he is, so..."
Prior to that sentence he complained a lot about the game being unplayable. Hmm but Agurin said that he didn't go afk because of Bard so it must be true and that sentence doesn't mean anything, right? I'm fine if Agurin takes the L and accepts that he was harsh on Bard, or even keeps his opinion that Bard was disgusting that made the game unplayable, as long as he stays true to himself. At this point he's just trying to keep his image clean to the public, it's so obvious he was pissed off by that Bard. Even if he had no intention of blaming Bard (which he unfortunately did), that sentence alone points all the blame towards him and that is not cool since he was the most productive player in the team.
@@ztokkiz aight let me rephrase. Bard top was the main cause for the situation I described, as in the 3 man invades that made the game unplayable for arguably the best solo queue player in the world were only possible due to their complete freedom in the topside jgl. so complaining about bard who enabled the situation that led to agurin going afk is not the same as agurin going afk because he has bard top in his team which is what reddit claimed. bard was the underlying cause but not the REASON agurin went afk, which is VERY clear if watch the vod and not just a 20 sec clip.
so yeah, should he have gone afk? no, ofc not.
did he see bard top and just decide not to play out of spite? also no.
Right but Agurin is also multiple time Rank 1 challenger while Bardinette is 500 LP master dweller. And don’t even bring my rank because it literally doesn’t matter. Multiple challenger players have stated they could get masters with 1 finger (Alois playing literally any top laner, Druttut lmao, Agurin himself, Nemesis). So I think there’s a slight discrepancy in when bard takes 2 shutdowns worth of gold that could be going to the hyper scaling jungler and being confused as to why his now completely out of the game jungler is afk forever in a challenger lobby.
u are GM in vietnam -> u are emerald at best in euw. Low elo -> opinion rejected.
Explanation of league community:
"We hate this meta, everything so stale, game boring, all lose/win states look the same and surrender is required because teams have no comeback or mental for it, BUT ALSO
fuck this bard who does things different and wants to shake up play. Not like the team can, as a group, say "this is the most effective thing, we have to force them to match this, lets ban split pushers and play numbers with bard exp advantage starving top"
nobody is whinier than high-level league players. How often do people even play with this guy and if you do just suck it up and play the game differently it happens every once in a while or just get the Challenger and then you won’t ever have to play with him anyways cause he’s master lol
yup you nailed it tbh. if high elo/pros all had their way, they would play the same champ every game, their team would ahve the same draft, the enemy would ahve the same champs, dragons wouldnt be random. they dont like playing the game and all it has to offer. they just like winning.
ok mr reddit
Might be the worst take I've ever read, it's not too late to delete little bro
I can play whatever i want in ur goombalow and go 30/0 in ur peak,but if you play bard top in my elo i run it down
4:33 Damn bro NEACE quit and still be catching strays 😂
Hahaha just bants
Bin was telling him "sit the fuck up straight bro" and ON understood after the 3rd time. Bloke ON was taking slouching to the next level.
A Singed player got banned in the past for doing the same thing that this Bard is doing, at least that's what I remember. There was a whole drama around that years ago
The singed was queuing support and had a negative win rate in silver-gold. He wasn't even 'making it work' and was guaranteed to ruin the game for at least one of his team mates every time
As a jungle main, i can understand the frustration when you're completely bullied out of a jungle quadrant, when an enemy gets free farm. Had that multiple times with afk top for example.
However, i also played some games with my support picking Nunu with Smite which went absolutely fine because they knew what they were doing and informed me about that.
I think if you play a strategy that is so different from normal league that it changes the way your team should act, the least you should do is to make sure everyone understands your plan
But when baus does it it's okay cause he's popular, literally, they used to treat him in the same way bardinette is being treated back in season 8/9, now that he's popular almost no one says shit
Because Baus' strategy actually works. People hated him, and still do, because it's really annoying to play with his strategy, but he doesn't actively force other people to play differently because of him, he just inflates both toplaners and make late game a coinflip on which one can carry harder.
They do, his recent behaviours indicate that something happened in the two recent tournaments he was in, either win trading, his other teammates convincing the support and mid that they shouldn't like him, etc.
Socializing sucks ass, but still, it shows just how much this type of playstyle is hated, especially when Baus got popular because of it.
Just listen to his tone and watch his web cam when he says, "on me" during his latest vids.
@@mrmcawesome9746 this doesn't make sense. you must define "works" as winning more games than you lose. no one coinflips accidentally to grandmaster constiently season after season. just because you don't like the way he plays doesn't mean it's not more effective than **checks notes** 99.932% percent of players, as GM and master lp 500+ accounts for 0.068% of players. just because this strategy cant cut it in challenger doesn't mean its somehow satan or horrific, i see plenty of people in masters playing perma roam zoe talon and barely interacting with the lane and they never climb past masters for the same exact fucking reason. hell they have LOWER winrates even. if playing in such a way as to ONLY win enough games to get to GM is a bannable offense then we should just delete the fucking game except for the 1000 some odd players in GM+.
@@CoffeeKitty. you are SO smug for someone who doesn't seem to know what position they're even arguing against.
I like when people innovate, new strats help keep interest in the game, people getting mad at something new is not a new concept either, we all prefer comfortability.
It's not innovative if it was a strat that was purposefully nerfed out of the game 2 years ago
@@JackTR21agree i see this strat every game, classic bard top it becomes boring
I don't see how this bard strategy is any different than for example your adc locking in smolder when you're support. You now know that for the first 20 mins of the game you have to play extremely passive and do everything you can to not get too far behind. You get forced into playing a certain playstyle which might not be what you want/might not be what you're good at. You might have already locked in pyke and now you're stuck with your pick.
So early the quality hasn't arrived
insert that starwars meme kylo ren screaming "MORE!"
Jungler power farms, top laner gets ganked: “You should have played around having a Yi vs Jarvan, play safer” and the top laner gets angry and maybe afk splits
Top laner roams: “Top trolling” and the jungler cries and ragequits before 10 minutes
ur pisslow
bro you know this is disengenious, because of roaming bard, agurin lost his entire top side permanently, his game was absolutely over, this isn't the same as a powerfarming jungler, which is what agurin does do, but he also became rank 1 in korea, so he's not a fucking idiot
i think theres a different between Top laner roaming when they shove lane and a Top laner roaming 24/7 without contesting top lane at all?? Are u dumb
What’s worse losing the whole top side of the map by having no top laner, or losing plates on top turret? Take your pick
Bard or not, it was a supp diff
You can’t say that someone playing off meta should be bannable. If you want to climb and be the best, you are supposed to face the challenges of offmeta picks from your team or enemy team. If you are the best player you would figure out how to make it work and win. But now you say that the player should be banned when he is actually trying to win and you afk. Thats super hypocritical.
Nah if you cant win with a roaming top that wins more than 50% of games and climbs then your just mental blocked imo.
Isn't the chair thing just a case of 'homie wake tf up'? Especially cause the guy looks like 'right where was I'
That's what I'm saying. Didn't look back or anything.
This is basically the league version of Magnus Carlsen using nontraditional openers in chess to force the game into a state where memorization is no longer something the opponent can rely on. The fact that the bard can get wins tells something to the community that there is something there that is gapping their knowledge. What these higher elo players don't enjoy is critical thinking and problem solving for a situation. This is why they crack and break down mentally. League is always like this. The reality is everyone is playing their own version of it. Everyone has a different view on the path to take towards what will win them the game. Arguin is literally playing Zyra jungle. Something that not long ago was met with resistance. Nothing specifically made Zyra in recent patches just start getting a ton of play. Just play the game.
when i started watching the "bard controversi" i was about to say what caedrel said, "doesnt baus do the same??
Dont get me wrong i actually enjoy seeing baus gameplay, but i cant help but see the similarities with that bard and why it isnt that bad, just ppl whining over someone playing their version of league, cant they adapt??, are their capabilities so limited they cant stand a different gameplay??, i feel like ppl became too robots to react to this, sad to see a fellow bard player be shun like this :(
Did you not watch the clip? The enemy top laner is 2-3 levels ahead of bard, proxying wave while him and his entire team collapse on augrin in his jgl, while bard takes all the gold and is just aimlessly running around the map. Augrin is down so much cs and levels compared to brand and has zero tempo, while hes being actively pushed out of his jgl by the enemy team. You wonder why people cant adapt is because no one else besides this guy plays like this. idk what games you play but not a single person plays like this in high elo or wants to play like this; its a selfish strategy that he forces his team to play and hes just coin flipping if the enemy is incapable of punishing his strategy and that his team follows his grief plays. Theres a reason he isnt chall and never has been. Baus strategy is not comparable to bardeittes strategy because baus is utilizing his lead in a way that doesn’t compensate his 4 other teammates. Almost every game he has most dmg, items, and towers even if he loses the game. Bard is just a cc bot forcing his team to make plays and hoping for the best. Theres a reason a lot of people in high elo hate this guy, and its not because his gameplay is different and unique, but that it’s frustrating and tilting to face against a enemy top laner that is up 2k gold, up 3-4 levels, and is running in your jgl while have taken 2 top turrets.
At least baus protects his plates and doesn't grief others xp.
1 similarity: offmeta strategy.
@@1828k sometimes people have games, and you're saying he's aimlessly running around the map.. What the hell would you know what he's doing, you're probably silver and have no idea what a good play/bad play looks like.
'bard takes all the gold' huh? @@1828k
That Bard guy needs to make a powerpoint like that roaming Nunu support and link it in champ select
If man's wants to play gigachad Bard top, let the man play Bard top.
Clearly he's doing something right if he can climb with this strat, even if it's not fun for other players involved, but we've had our fair share of those strategies in the past.
Besides, it's a common concept to play around ADCs late game, are we gonna ban every toplaner with ego now because they usually don't apply those fundemental rules in the late game? No.
I love the longer format. A hybrid of short and long videos would be great in my opinion. GLHF ❤
Hot take, it doesn't matter whether you agree with others' strats or not. People are free to explore despite your approval. This does not just go for league, this goes for life. The sooner you accept this, the happier you will be as a person. I promise.
They are free to explore all they want just as we are free to express our displeasure. Especially if it's something that affects you directly
I get it. Basically, the strategy is justified by the existence of tower damage reduction in the first 5 minutes of the game. So, for 5 minutes, Bard can generate tons of advantage on the map because the top laner won't get much stronger than the other laners over the first 5 minutes of the game, maybe collecting at most 2 plates if they have Demolish, and if Bard can get 2 kills (or 1 really devastating kill on a good wave state) on the map in that time, then he snowballs the other side of the map harder than the top laner snowballs his side of the map. Obviously, this is counterbalanced by the fact that you essentially trigger weaksided-top mid-game macro immediately, ending the laning phase: Someone has to deal with the splitpusher while we group for plays, and without a strong top laner, we'll have to do all this as a coordinated team.
disagree with the nemesis argument on bard. so he says playing bard top forces other players to do this volatile gank heavy early game but that also applies the other way. why should he be forced to play league the traditional way? because that is how it always has been?
Yeah but idk about you but it seems pretty selfish to make 9 other people miserable because you feel like being “quirky and offmeta”
@@battlecatsubernoob1924 We've had to deal with people playing Singed, Sion and Yorick over and over again, going 0/10 and just split-pushing the whole game, that's also selfish and make 9 other people miserable and play how that one asshole wants. If perma-split pushing and proxy farming are allowed, so should be playing an enchanter roamer toplaner.
@@PichiStail not sure if this is the gotcha u think it is, that shit shouldn't be allowed either lol
Its not cause he is playing bard top. People play a lot of weird shit and thats okay. But the thing is that this bard's playstyle forcefully changes his team's gameplay as well. He makes them play his game instead of letting them play the way they want to. A lot of people find it selfish and dont like it.
@@PichiStail People who consintently go 0/10 with that strat will get banned eventually. Even Baus got banned in many accounts for his strat.
And yes, its not any better.
just for clarification, BLG specifically addressed the chair kicking thing and ON said himself that the team atmosphere is great and it was just fooling around
People are literally describing what Baus does whenever they talk about what's bad about the Bard's playstyle, it's actually hilarious.
people fucking hate baus and he has been banned multiple times so I'm not sure what the argument is here
If they are actually doing that, then they are arguing wrong or are just plain stupid. IWD points it out in his full length vid on the guy:
-Bardinnit is playing a strat known since like season 2, so no new strat like Baus
-Bardinnit is running down every game with Illaoi, in which his team bans Bard
-Bardinnit is a good Bard player and could probably reach Challanger as a Bard support otp
Btw, there is a clip where Bardinnit says smth like, and I am paraphrasing here, "The fun of others is not my responsibility", but runs down every single game, where he isnt allowed to have fun, because someone banned his Bard.
So to sum it up: The strategy is old and shiit, only held up by the skill of the player and the player themselves is a hypocrit, who will resort to straight up inting, if his will isnt accepted. That's the problem with the guy.
Glad you asked for the feedback. Honestly felt like the real video started after the tapin ad and everything else before it could of been cut out. Quality vid once you got into the important stuff.
Thanks for the feedback :)
When top laners lane: "Lol what a useless role, enjoy sitting under tower on your weakside island for 20 minutes before we FF anyway."
When top laners roam: "Our top isn't sitting under his tower waiting to get dived. gg x9 top."
Let's not pretend the lane isn't just a coinflip on who gets to counter-pick anyway.
Based!
Exactly why I quit the role and moved to jungle. Now if I lose everyone loses.
all bardinettes teammates have dodge button discussion over
Have you seen xPetu launch his 'coachless' project? He made a video on it and it seems cool
4:00 looks like an aggressive posture check to me.
5:20 feel like it's not bardinette in general, but moreso the Strat failing early making the game incredibly toxic to play for agurin.
The thing I notice not a lot of people pointing out (other than IWD) is that the bardinette strat isn’t innovation at all. Remember when Janna was the highest winrate top laner cause she’d just abandon lane and roam around before riot rightfully recognized the strat as cancer and nerfed it out of the game? He’s just doing that, but with bard, after it’s been nerfed numerous times. Really, he’s stuck in the past if you think about it. He could probably be a much higher rank if he just played bard supp. Part of me is convinced he played bard supp to get high elo in the first place.
This.
Love the longer videos would rather them be longer and more high quality meaning less videos than the short form content. Best way I can explain it is I go to TikTok or ig ofr short videos so I love being able to sit down and watch a CZcams video for 15 to 30 to 60 minutes. Thanks for the videos man keep up the hard work we see you
You always have to adjust to what your teammates are doing, that's life in soloque in LoL. People need to get over it and learn to go: "ok, this teammate is doing [this], what do I do given that they are?" and adapt.
and sometimes the adaptation comes to let it go. It's just one game (unless its a constant queueing with this one dude who plays in such a hard style to play around). People in leagues and games today in general are so pampered to "the way its played" (not their fault if Riot wants to control and analyze your behaviours in gaming so bad, and make the game fit so tight to the mold), that everytime some innovations like this happens they are just lost and forget that adaptation is also a skill. It's so boring to see the same shit every year, rotated around oh so little strats options, this is not the Leagues I grew up loving.
Why are people okay with one snowflake dictating how the game goes for the other 9 players in the first place?
Its not so black and white. By that logic i can queue jungle, play without smite and just run top, and you just have to adapt to my playstyle, have fun with that lol.
@@terribleplayer2526 Because you are *never* in control of what your teammates (or the enemy) do. That's just reality of how a MP game works. If you can't handle that, that's a *you* problem. If you believe they are griefing, ok, report them after and hope riot sees it your way and drops the ban-hammer on them. But you still have a game of LoL to play. Agurin's reaction is toxic, even if we grant that the Bard is trolling (which is debatable, given that he's made it to masters 500LP playing this way; obviously it's working well enough to playable at that MMR).
@@terribleplayer2526irl victim meta
Not to compare between the 2 moba but i really love how in dota 2 it's up to all the pros to create a new ground breaking strat that look like trolling at first but then normal ppl start using it and failed spectacularly
There is plenty innovative things proplayers do that cant be done in soloQ. In both games.
That's a silly argument! Toplaners are constantly forced to play someone else's game! They get counterpicked and the junglers decide what they can do to begin with.
ADCs and Supps also are forced to play with another and are influenced by the others pick and style!
Playing top vs. another toplaner and with junglers in mind is literally standard league of legends. As is playing 2 person ADC+supp bot. It's 99.99% of league games. If that's someone else's game what game are you signing up to play when you log in???
I like the longer versions of these videos for sure dude.
Jg when top lane is griefed by jg pick and pathing: Just play safe top
Top lane when jungler is griefed by top pick and pathing: OoO
Why is this conversation starting from scratch again? We just had janna top doing the same thing in what feels like yesterday. Literally same strategy.
Video ends at 18:46 btw if you guys didn't know.
thanks
That 8 second wind waker song loop........
He might be trying his hardest to win but he is toxic and obnoxious af, if somebody wants to ban Bard, he threatens to play illaoi and run it down lmao
See this is the problem, in order for Bardinette to have fun he decided he needs to ruin everyone else’s first
What OTP doesnt run it down when their OTP is banned in masters
looking at simply body postures and their faces at the chair kicking is just screaming bullying idk how its getting ignored
Its a completely stupid argument especially from a jungler when originally jungle as a role was off meta and weird. You werent supposed to leave your top laner without a support. What griefers these so called ”junglers” were. Playing the game like it wasnt supposed to be played.
Imagine being so bad in the game you cant adapt to someone playing differently. That is not a trait of someone who is supposed to be one of the best players in the world.
I mean I'm gonna be honest. This comment sounds like a silver player ranting. Not only is the Augurin clip lacking context you're also comparing something that happened 13 years ago to something happening today in the game. Perma roam bard top isn't the "new meta changing thing" like the idea of a dedicated jungler was. And before Riot supported jungle with it's own items and summoner spell it was still a niche thing that most games didn't have.
Augurin is in the wrong for afking but Bardinitte is in the wrong for being adamant about literally never changing their playstyle even if it causes the game to be lost. The game being lost is on Bardinitte, that doesn't mean that Aug should've afked though.
@@huntersuper98 just because league of legends isnt that old does not mean other mobas similar to league arent over 20 years old.
If riot wouldnt nerf every single off meta strat to the ground it would become meta. Are you already forgetting the janna top meta?
If riot didnt touch these off meta playstyles it wouldnt be so infuriating to play with a bard top either because it would be better.
Remember 3-4 years ago when proxying was considered griefing? Now its suddenly the best meta thing you can do.
I can guarantee you that if riot would just allow the game to change it would.
@@mirzu42 What are you on about? Where did I say that League isn't that old?
What I said was that you're comparing something that happened over a decade ago to something happening NOW. And then I explained how they aren't comparable even besides that.
"Remember 3-4 years ago when proxying was considered griefing? Now its suddenly the best meta thing you can do." I mean not only was proxying NOT considered grief (Literally only doing it was) it's also not even close to the most meta thing you can do.
"I can guarantee you that if riot would just allow the game to change it would." Certain types of change are bad believe it or not. That's why Janna top was nerfed into the ground. Everyone hated it besides the people who played it.
@@huntersuper98 everyone hates playing with and against yorick, sion, shaco top, too, and they are still allowed.
Proxying the wave and dying for it was considered grief. People would never ever die for a wave. Now that baus has done it for years people have been starting to do the same too.
And yes it quite literally is the top meta. Every decent player does it. It is probably the most important macro after core fundamentals.
According to league players every change is bad. Teleport change? Garbage. Smite no longer heals? Garbage. Like theres not a world where people wont complain about something.
If your point wasnt the age of league then wtf was it?
Do you think 13 years ago was somehow special and any meta changes to a very old game genre could only happen then?
Its comparable easily because the genre had a meta for 10-15 years already.
@@mirzu42 "everyone hates playing with and against yorick, sion, shaco top, too, and they are still allowed." I mean that's not the same thing as what we're talking about at all but go off.
Either you're arguing in bad faith or you don't know what you're talking about. Baus's strategy no longer works and the general playerbase stopped doing it over a year ago. In response to it being the "meta" you clearly don't understand what you're even saying. When you say that Proxy strat is meta that implies that as you were talking about Baus that dying for wave on repeat in the meta which is objectively is not. The only time players Proxy is when it's a good idea to do so which while happens is not exceedingly common in game.
"According to league players every change is bad." While this is correct some change is indeed bad. K'sante was a change made to the game that so far has only had negative affects on it. Not all change is good change.
"If your point wasnt the age of league then wtf was it?
Do you think 13 years ago was somehow special and any meta changes to a very old game genre could only happen then?
Its comparable easily because the genre had a meta for 10-15 years already."
People didn't know how to play the game back then. They didn't know what items were good, what strategies actually worked, what champs were actually good and why, etc. The playerbase's knowledge was in it's infancy, pro players would be akin to modern day high emerald low diamond players at best. That's why comparing the changing in meta and new strategies then to now just doesn't work. They were basically completely different games that happened to be in the same genre. Nowdays League for the most part is "solved". While new things show up occasionally most of the game has been figured out and so new strats need to be rigorously tested before they can even be considered viable let alone good.
i think its unsportsmanlike for the enemy adc to continue playing while the other adc has gone afk
It is called adaptability. If i can adapt and win with a griefing team mate running it down, or a full AP Tryndamere, or Yumi mid, then I'm pretty sure you can stop crying and adapt to a Masters level Bard roaming. There are so many champions and things which make all other 9 players play a match differently, so I don't see why this is any different.
Hearing the dragon roost island always gives me flashbacks to Zelda: wind waker and how great this game was.
And here I am, not remembering any of the league games I played last week
You and me the same brother
yy nice Riven outplay, but what is that double Teemo support I am seeing here 15:20 xD
lmfao your'e right, wtf? It's not even a viego because they have different items, wild!
@@Donmegamuffinmainly its not viego because they are alive both at the same time
Is the video stuck at 360p for anyone else?
you get that if you watch the vid just after it is posted
The bard top strat is funny because bard was my troll pick whenever the lobby was toxic and i felt like we'd lose anyways, I'd just leave my lane and annoy the other lanes. It allows me to turn my brain off completely and we'd win too. Works with nunu too.
Alt strategies are built and meant to work within the current game. Don't play different than you would unless you know how and want to.
that riven play was insane
Problem of Caedrel's argument is the fact that he comes from that everything has to be about elo. No it doesn't. I play toplane for fun. I love laning. If I'm playing against shit like this I have to do essentially nothing for 15 minutes. Just imagine 15 minutes of Camille free farming. Literal. Fucking. Torture.
What if your opponent thinks playing against Camille isn't fun tho? Is your opponent's fun a reason to stop playing your way? Should we perma all vayne top players, who bully bruisers and making their laning phase unfun?
@@arnaudbouquet3142 I don't care. Vayne is fun to play against. Toplane is supposed to be played this way. These people go out of their way to make us go out of our way. If you play roaming support top you are just too bad to play actual roaming support as a support.
When you go to play football, you expect to play football. When guy starts playing golf on football field he gets punched in the head and for a reason. Same shit works in top. If you queue up top you expect to play top, not world of warcraft
Play draft if you just want to play for fun it’s literally so simple. Every single one of you is just making the argument that you just want to play draft. Ranked is about winning and losing, climbing the elo ladder. If you want to play for fun there are like 10 other game modes that aren’t ranked. You are the same types of players who first pick the new champ in ranked and don’t care that it has a 30% win rate.
It's a bit selfish of you forcing other people to play your way, no? Do you want to ban people from proxying? lol
Idk why people just dont pick nasus against it...if he just completely opens lane imagine a nasus just freezing and free farming til teamfights happen...hed get x4 reported every game lmfao
crab is the same color of teeto, its a perfectly fitting name
on the bard subject: yea that's annoying.
If someone locks Bard Top, im just gonna run it down top to help
They complain that the Bard makes the game different
Guys are tilted because their LoL game isn't exactly the same for the 57th time in a row
Sounds like Bardin fanboy logic because that is the exact excuse he uses himself. They complain because he goes into lanes, siphons resources, leaves a top laner to free scale, and is ENTIRELY coin flipping every single game, and it is without a doubt 100% coin flipping because this is a strat that his teammates have to adapt to on the fly, and whether or not they can keep up or deal with being literally griefed as a strat is absolutely a coin flip.
Yeah, it's crazy that they want to play league when they boot up league. They should be grateful they have the luck to play league of Bardinette.
so in your eyes, it would be fine, if in football, the defender runs between goalie and enemy attacker, when the team agreed on playing for offside trap? because when you queue up for ranked you innately agree to playing a certain way, with a confined room for creativity. but hey, you can hostage your team by threatening to run them down if they dont do what you demand ^^, that seems like the behaviour of a reasonable person and not a narcissist :D
so inters should make you happy? they shake up things real good after all
You are just wrong about that. If I went to play basketball with some randoms on a court and everyone said "gaurd your man" and I decided "nah fuck that. I'm gonna go chase the ball" they're gonna kick me from the court. It doesn't matter if I'm really good at scoring or stealing from them. If I'm not playing to the strategy that the team has agreed to play then I'm the problem. This is the exact same situation, but the problem is you can't kick teammates from League.
got back into league in the last 6 months after playing it in high school about 10 yrs ago. I've looked everywhere I could on the internet and still cant fathom why this game doesn't have a personal player blacklist linked to my account where I can put accounts that I never want to play with again in my life. Yes, the classic retort will be queue times but that's a cop-out. World of Tanks has this feature and it works fine and is a game which has a fraction of the LoL playerbase (8 mil vs 150 mil registered accounts, maybe lower cuz of 2nd and 3rd accounts), 10x the daily playercount (16k vs 25mil), and has 15v15 matches and still at most has 3-4 min queue times (average is about 1 min)
12:00 OPGG where?
Was at the start of the segment mb
I like how that's a whole controversy but having inters is fine we don't talk about those we just have those
banning a player for trying an inventive new strategy (which is what games are literally all about) while he is having fun AND trying to win is purely stupid and egotistical. why tf would he have to cater to how you want to play?
Noticing a pattern with win traders
imo veigarv2 had the only correct take. "its not the bard top i hate, its the way he plays it." bard top can definitely work, but it is super clear that bardinette definetely cannot pilot it and makes basic mistakes. even if he did play it super well, it should not be a forced pick. in higher elos the draft should be, "can my pick be at the very least a good/reasonable choice?", instead of "i pick my champ and style regardless of enemy."
i hate that so many channels do advertising for Tapin, since its boosting site that hide that fact by only offering duo boosting but its still mainly a boosting site that should not b advertised
Why should you care so much about how other people are feeling and their ways of playing in soloQ? I lock in heimerdinger top and sit pushed in hoping to 1v2 their top and jng. It works sometimes and it doesnt most. But its fun. I like playing like that. Why should I care if my jungler is so pressed about me playing how I want. I support the Bard top player till the end. If something is fun. Works. And most importantly isn't toxic. (I can argue that his playstyle isn't toxic its literally what champion does the best (roam) but just picked on another lane) Why should you care if your jungler or anyone else in that whole game is mad? I have learned that playing league for yourself and to win is the only way to actually climb in soloQ so I don't see this as a problem AT ALL.
"if someone was kicking my chair like that id just throw it at them" my first thought was sureee you could, then remembered rival is jacked af and died laughing XD
to be fair all i can say is that all poeple complaining about that bard top thing just need to remove the stick up their arse and stop thinking of the game in one way thats what makes league so boring and unfun no one inovates no one have fun and the only ones who have fun ( and help you win im not talking of inters ) are frowned on and punished as a community we should be more open to new stuff and inovate instead of just following wathever challenger korean player dictate
Yeah but should 1 person having fun make 9 people wanna disconnect in the process?
Cause you assume everyone love and only want to play "standard League" when maybe they actually like chaos.
I've been playins suppirt shaco with smite and playing all game in enemy jungle, leaving my adc alone all game for 2 years, and some people add me every game to play with me, about half of the playerbase or a big third thrown upon chaos and enjoy playing bizarre League
1 everyone want to disconnect anyway if you look at the state of solo queue no one is having fun anymore
2 the problem isnt the 1 player having fun its the 9 others unable to addapt or make their own fun
great, what's your server? Let me duo Teemo support with your for a 20 loosestreak because the game is all about fun and innovative right?
The problem with your logic is that he isn't innovating anything. This was an old method developed by someone else several season ago when it was actually OP. It's not some new thing, it's literally just a dead strategy that he decides to play because he thinks it makes him unique. This is just clout chasing. He's a great bard player! If he played Bard support I 100% garuntee he would have a higher WR and probably be challenger right now.
not even an astrophysicist would make me believe that losers queue doesn't exist.
Delusion is a hell of a drug
All the people crying about bard tops playstyle have no business in a competitive game.
It's a COMPETITIVE TEAM GAME, dude. He deliberately weakens his team by doing it. That's just an objective fact. Any strategy where your objective is to just abandon your lane and let your opponent free farm and get plates and a turret is just objectively wrong.
It's so fucking annoying to me how the narrative in gaming has completely shifted at the competitive level. "Try harding" makes you a loser, "just letting people have fun" makes you cool. Competitive isn't supposed to be about fun. No one at the TOP of any competitive sport is playing to "have fun". You CAN have fun doing what you love, but that shouldn't be your goal if you're into COMPETITIVE sports. It's to WIN. You would never go up to Tiger Woods, Tom Brady or Kobe Bryant and say, "You're trying too hard, just play for fun".
People complaining about other players not wanting to deal with it have no business playing an online game
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big difference between this Bard and Baus is the fact that there is a reasonable rationale behind one and not behind the other. Baus was abusing design flaws in the bounty and catch-up system, and he went from a GM player to a Challenger player. The rationale behind the Bard is "my enemy laners are too bad to a) convert the top lead and b) will grief against me out of boredom", which, surprise, stops working once past a pretty low point on the skill curve
You act as if GM+ only consists of perfectly playing robots with no emotion. This is still league and it's still solo queue. People tilt, are toxic and make mistakes even in high elo. We literally just saw Agurin afk because "the game is over and he can't play". Whenever has that been an okay thing to do, especially on stream??
The Bard is trying to win, case closed. If the playstyle is bad for the game, it's on Riot to nerf it out of existence, not on the Bard to listen to League's angry Twitter mob.
@@JJBeauregard1 did you write a reply to a different comment? Cause there is zero correlation between what you are saying and my comment
1:48 even though it was a free win, aurelion sol with nashors is diabolical