10:35 i Need to be Honest at this point, the Madara Clones are Way Way Way Stronger than Sasuke, sorry to say, the same for the Susano, like yeap she just crack that, BUT IS THE MADARA SUSANO and every Susano have his own power level, this sound insane but the true is, if Sasuke try the same thing with HER HE WOULD BE DEAD. 13:40 this is NON SENSE, Random Stone Pilars >>>(stronger than)>>> The Strongest Chakra Realease(Wood) that came from the STRONGEST VERSION POSSIBLE THE GOD TREE, WTF? 15:00 Amaterasu don´t stop to burn, but don´t have infinite heat of something like this, is just fire but don´t fade, stone wall, would stop 100%, 17:26 why sasuke Susano should be stronger? realy why? every evidence possible show the other way arond. 17:44 HOW HE WOULD SURVIVE THAT?A Imortal with 2 Hearts, and Iron Skin, can´t, how normal Skin would do this? Even Madara used the Rinnegan to Stop this atack because he feels that was too much and he was a Edo, no normal human in the Narutoverse can survive a full hit of a Rasenshuriken, not even the paths of pain that can survive a lot of damage. Susuke inside the Susano, is just a normal guy, and a a lot weaker wind style almost could hit him, imagine the STRONGEST WIND STYLE EVER. and yes he can react but think about, naruto would just use a fake one and then hit with the real Rasenshuriken, so sasuke would die anyway, i know is hard to think Naruto trying to kill Sasuke, but the true is, the Only 2 times Sasuke was above Naruto was in the first arc of Zabuza and in they first enconter in Shipudden after Pain naruto just don´t Kill Sasuke on sight,bucause he don´t want it to. 18:51 Amateratsu Make the Rasenshuriken STRONGER, soooo THIS IS A BAD IDEIA HAHAHAH, 18:56 Amaterasu hits what is on sight, he don´t stop anything, sooo, if Sasuke use this agaist a Rasenshuriken would just make a Flame Rasenshuriken Came in this Direction, the only way he can use flames agaist is normal Flames because of how Amateratsu works, and even then Naruto can just use a fake one or Explode before time forcing Sasuke to Jump and Hiting with the Second on in the Air. 19:13 he don´t have this power wet agaist Danzo
Two things couldn’t frog kumite hit sasuke even though he’s in his susanno, couldn’t tobirama still flying rajin out of kamui and wouldn’t tobirama have counters to susanno since he stated to have studied madara sharingan
@Insomnia Core So? There's no other version of Hashirama that we can use to make it fair. Kage Summit Sasuke vs SM Naruto has always been a pretty debated topic
Yeah the Raikage cracked the rib cage by slamming it and it took Ohnoki amping him to crack Madaras rib cage Tsunade could could break Sasukes much easier
@@spit-fire Bro, anyone could be compared to Madara at that time, A was toying with Sasuke even though he lost a arm and almost lost his leg, A with Onoki's amp was having a hard time with a weak Madara, there is no anger that could make that Sasuke compared to Madara, also war arc EMS Sasuke wasn't a thing to BLIND Madara.
You forgot Tsunade summoning Katsuyu. She would be immune to the susano because she would split into thousands of little slugs. Her acid would easily burn through Sasuke’s susanoo.
I think Tsunade was definitely underrated here. Her strength should be more than capable of breaking susanoo. I mean if you want to scale madara clone to sasuke we still run into the issue of Sasuke being relatively new with it, a well recovered Tsunade could be bold enough to attempt and succeed. And forces Obito to intervene.
Dito. From what I saw, Madara had to physically jump back and Ninjutsu-counterattack to avoid his Susanoo being damaged even more (if not outright broken) by Tsunade - *you don't do that* if you're comfortable that your defenses will hold! So I definitively think she was at least downplayed here in this regard.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 true I think she can break the skeleton at best but nothing more. Amaterasu will be an even bigger problem she'll just keep burning and regenerating till she cant
@@elhood4060 I agree. Tsunade will probably break the Susanoo but will struggle against Amaterasu. Maybe while still healing and regenerating from the black flames, she can continue for a little while and get one or two heavy/lucky hits on Sasuke, before finally being taken down by the continuous black fire? So it's a draw at most (if the odds are in Tsunade's favour), I'd say.
I think you overrate a bit sasuke's susanoo, madara took a massive rasengan with is ribcage but madara is madara... he is on all other league than kage summit sasuke
That’s what I’m thinking, tsunade even being able to crack madaras rib cage susanoo is a massive feat because at that time he still had the ems which buffs the susanoo itself massively, she could for sure handle his baby susanoo
I agree. He also didn’t bring up how Naruto could use Frog Kata against Sasuke. It wouldn’t be in Sasuke’s best interest to get into close quarters combat with Sage Naruto and his only counter would be to use Susanoo to defend himself.
okay im not the only one who was thinking this😂cause if im correct Mei mist was able to melt his susanoo...which couldnt melt Madara's susanoo if im correct 😑
You forgot that Sussano doesn't protect the feet in its incomplete form. Kakashi, Hiruzen, and Tobirama would definitely exploit that early in the fight.
You heavily overrate Sasuke's Susanoo in this moment of time. Its nowhere near Madara's level or even Itachi's which has better hax abillities. I'd say Tobirama also clears both wincon and p much all of them have chance of beating this version of Sasuke.
bro said war arc kakashi loses to ms sasuke and said war arc tsunade loses to ms sasuke bro? ems madara uchiha listen madara uchiha the guy who fought hashirama and tsunade broke his susanoo not his clones shusanoo THEN SHES OBVIOUSLY GONNA DONUT SASUKE THROUGH THE SUSANOO SINCE ITS BASE MS NOT EMS THIS IS NOT WAR ARC SASUKE
I love your content bro, but I have to disagree with you on the Tsunade vs Sasuke. 1. Sasuke was clearly not on Madara’s level when it came to raw power. 2. She’s a master of medical ninjutsu.
I think there's a key factor in Tobirama's case that you're forgetting. The battle was held on a bridge, thus there was a significant source of water around. Now if a massively nerfed reanimation with no water source was able to break through Hiruzen's earth release walls, and earth normally counters water, just imagine what a full power Tobirama can do near a big body of water. He'll defeat Sasuke without even using FTG and then force Obito to retreat. If Tobirama can also use Minato's mark on Obito's back and realize it is there, Obito is as good as dead. As for Minato, I can see him coming up with some Uzumaki technique to seal Sasuke in a way that makes it impossible for Obito to rescue him, meaning Sasuke is brought back to the village alive. And if this happens in a timeline where Minato and Obito also had their skirmish during the 9 tails attack, then I can even see Minato blitzing Obito and either kill or seal him BEFORE dealing with Sasuke, as there's still a mark on his back.
@@princedame9534 Pre-EMS Sasuke has absolutely no speed feats to even make Minato sweat. He got defeated by weaker and slower Kage at the summit and was only saved by Obito, Zetsu and plot armor. And Obito...he already tried his luck against Minato once, and was only saved by being covered in an armor of Hashirama cells. There's zero evidence that would support him doing better this time, as he has the same Kamui and maybe an extra base Sharingan to bail him out with an Izanagi. He might be able to flee from Minato, but that's his best case scenario.
@@princedame9534 You're a nut job if you think Minato is getting bodied by either of these fools at this time. Minato I would win that battle with his eyes closed and both hands tied behind his back. There's absolutely nothing that Sasuke or Obito could do at this point to even touch Minato. If you remember their first fight Obito couldn't lay a finger on him and Sasuke isn't doing anything. Sasuke was 100% carried by plot armor as to why he even survived Naruto Shippuden to begin with
Honestly, I think Sasuke loses to all of these opponents, and I generally disagree with your scaling. Kakashi is completely downplayed Tsunade is scaled really badly (how do Madara's clones compare to this Sasuke?) Hiruzen is scaled above Orochimaru but still loses even though Sasuke is around Sannin tier, and the God Tree being weaker than random Pillars is goofy Naruto scaling is pretty spot on I think Tobirama has a way easier time than the video suggests, simply based on speed and endurance. Minato is just better Tobirama, so he would have an even easier time. Hashirama chakra crushes Sasuke and bullies Obito.
Kakashi was legit afraid of Orochimaru, so any shinobi who can beat him would waste Kakashi with relative ease. Susano'o is Susan'o. It doesn't make a difference who summons him. Tsunade cracks a ribcage of Madara's Susano'o, She'd do the same against Sasuke's. Hiruzen is a bit tricky. He and Orochimaru were toying with each other until Orochimaru used Ero Tensei to summon Tobirama and Hashirama, so there's no real way to scale them together. Naruto is definitely correct. Tobirama and Hashirama couldn't beat Hiruzen together. If Hiruzen can't beat Sasuke, then either of them alone would stand even less a chance. So the only ones who could beat Sasuke would be Naruto and Minato.
@@grindingtheaxe3027 -I guess Kakashi hasn't gotten any stronger in the 2 years since that encounter. He's still just jonin level. -Susanoo is a chakra-based ability, thus it's strength is based off chakra, like every jutsu. Madara has more chakra than Sasuke. You do the math. -Hiruzen fought Orochimaru directly during their battle. They were equal in ninjutsu, but Hiruzen was able to bully Orochimaru in taijutsu. The only reason he didn't win was because he was too old and tired to use the Reaper Death Seal. -Naruto moment -The edo-tensei that Hiruzen fought were weakened. Based on Hashirama vs Madara, the war arc, and many statements, they massively outscale Sasuke.
"how dose Madara's clones compare to this Sasuke?" This is the dumbest power scaling.These clones couldn't beat kages for hours. Imagine if each Kage fought Six Paths of Pain. Pain low diff everyone in minutes except Ay and Gaara. People acting like each Susanoo clone is above MS Sasuke which makes 0 sense, because two armed Ay tied with early 5KS Sasuke, but now one armed Ay fighting 5 MS Sasuke combined?
Good video. Bad takes. Tsunade slaps Sasuke's susanno down. 5 Edo wood Madara clones >>>>>> Sauske's incomplete susanno. Kakashi just kamui snipes. "He can't do that." No, you just don't want him to.
I cant believe this man actually compared MS Sasuke's susanoo to Rinnegan Madara's susanoo. Hes no doubt a fan. Almost every kage could prolly solo this form of sasuke 1v1.
You would be a clown to think that. Third hokage gets bodied, Tsunade gets bodied, kakashi gets no diffed, tobirama wins, hashirama wins, sage mode naruto lose but is saved by ninetails. Minato without ninetails gets bodied. I'm not giving him the two sage mode clones lmfao for naruto
@@princedame9534 All kage wins except for Tsunade and Kakashi. (Unincluding war arc kakashi cause hed demolish this sasuke) All Raikage and Minato have to do is stall until sasukes susanoo causes him goes blind. They are simply too fast for sasuke to hit effectively.
@@princedame9534 Yes i said Raikage 😂 tell me what can sasuke do to actually hit him or Minato? Exactly. The difference is that their natural powers arent causing them to go blind every second they are active. And mangekuyo sharingun kakashi could just use kamui to lock on to sasukes head the same way he did the geko statue and it would be over. Dms kakashi is overkill.
@@zelz3011 I am actually not sure who exactly created it, while Tobirama is only seen using it in the anime, there is no reason for someone like him not to be able to use a jutsu that complete counters the Uchiha, the Jutsu is called "Bringer-of-Darkness Technique"
@@marko1263 excatly flying god didnt become a viable option to kill izuna for good until he he was nearly bind and could no longer risk using ms techniques
I don’t think tobirama would care about wether something’s a forbidden Jutsu considering he made it. Actually no one seems too, only thing more ignored than the ‘forbidden’ title is tenten
I don't know...there are some pretty blatant uses of plot armor in there. 1. Hinata is pierced through her everything vs Pain. 2. Kakashi holds his breath for 20 minutes vs Zabuza. 3. Karin gets penetrated in not the way she'd like vs Sasuke 4. Haku: 1,000 Needles! (vs Naruto and Sasuke) 5. Yeah, I guess that would make top 5.
@@grindingtheaxe3027 The twenty minutes against Zabuza can be tossed up to Anime time, Haku was specifically avoiding killing them, pretty sure Zabuza calls him soft for it. Also, I though Hinata got ground slammed, not knife partied. Karin is an Uzumaki, Uzumaki's have EXTREME vitality, reminder that Gaara died immediately from having Shukaku removed, while Kushina survived for like, HOURS after having Kurama removed, AND being weakened by child birth. Even then, Kushina only fully died due to Kurama piercing her, she likely had more time left even with the tailed beast removed. So technically, you could ignore three of those with established lore, both prior and later, and a meta reason for KakashiVsZabuza.
1st Hokage: Wins within 1-2 minutes real-time while reminiscing Madara. 2nd Hokage: Wins within 10 minutes while rambling about Uchiha being evil. 3rd Hokage: Wins in 2-3 hours. Probably feels regret for failing to guide Sasuke like he did with Orochimaru. 4th Hokage: Wins within 15-20 minutes while figuring out that Sasuke was being manipulated. 5th Hokage: Wins in 2-3 hours while reminiscing Orochimaru and Naruto. 6th Hokage (Kakashi): Wins within 2-3 hours. Left immobilised due to chakra depletion. 7th Hokage (Naruto): Wins within 1-2 mins. But canonically won't happen because Naruto will Talk No Jutsu
I actually think Tobirama is also able to defeat Obito as Uchihas are his "speciality". The Flying Raijin was developed to counter the sharigans ability to track the opponents movement, then there is the Infinite Darkness Jutsu a jutsu he only used in the anime and was used by Hashirama in the manga, which in my opinion means the he still knows it. It's a genjutsu that makes the opponent only see darkness rendering their eyesight and again the sharingan useless, which is why I believe Tobirama created it. These two jutsus alone should be able to defeat Sasuke as he would need to keep up the Susanoo and then burn through his chakra. As for Obito Tobirama should be able to react to him and funnily enough his Shadow Clones also counter Kamui. If Obito sucks in a Shadow Clone Tobirama would get it's knowledge back if he releases it thus knowing that he teleports you somewhere. If he doesn't release it and Obito Kamuis himself away there is a shadow clone waiting for him. I think it's also debatable if Tobirama can use Flying Rajin to escape the Kamui dimension.
I am not sure the clones work that way. Naruto couldnt release his clones with nature chakra while fighting Pein. He had to summon them to get the chakra so i would guess you cant release a clone inside kamui to get that knowledge. Besides that when Obito kamuis someone he seems to have some degree of control of that person's condition as in he can make them pass out. If not that creates some plot hole because anyone he kamuis could easily fight back from the other side.
If kakashi lands kamui on sasuke, susanoo or not, sasuke dies. I really don’t see how you’re trying to claim sasuke can tank a kamui. The way kamui works that’s just not physically possible
I recently found your channel and really enjoy it but feel you massively underestimate Tobirama and compare Sasuke too closely to war arc Madara which isn't the case especially since this is Kage summit Sasuke, great analysis tho!
you underestimate kakashi very much. i don't think you realize how op kakashi is in the war arc. his kamui is limitless, kakashi improved extremely during shippuden. I think he wins relatively easy. no attacks would be dangerous for kakashi since he has kamui. he is also much smarter and more experienced than sasuke. he has proven many times that he is kcm1 naruto level. he was able to teleport a rasengan from a moving naruto, that is in that moment faster than the raikage, who is the fastest shinobi,he was also a big factor in being able to land attacks on jubidara, he could also suck the entire 8 tailed in and out, and was even able to win against obito although the fight is a bit controversial.
Obito went easy on Kakashi that fight was solely purposed for Obito getting rid of the seal on his heart. In addition Obito still had Chakra to leave the dimension while Kakashi was completely drained after the fight.
Sasuke has no answer to Naruto's frog kata since only sage mode users can sense it. In taijutsu, Naruto wins easily regardless of whether Sasuke is fast enough to dodge his actual punches.
@@amorbis4210 Pain Paths are Konohamaru Rasengan + Arguable Mental Amp Level at that point. Yeah I think Sasuke can be strong enough to take a Rasengan from Konohamaru.
@@zelz3011 Sasuke wouldn't get hit by Konohamaru in the first place. His sharingan allows him to read movements and avoid damage. He doesn't need to be durable. Curse mode 2 Sasuke could probably shrug off a rasengan. But if kage summit Sasuke took one, he'd be out of the fight.
"well Tsunade only cracked Madaras susanoo so I don't really see her doing much to Sasuke's" Bro the comparisons from Sasuke to Madara are NOT warranted at all they are nowhere near the same level until Sasuke got the rinnesharingan. This man's is getting clapped by almost all the hokages 🥱
@@treeztop very possible, I won't argue she's faster. More so as I said the comparisons to Madara are not realistic scaling for Sasuke, that's why I used that quote with Tsunade because it served well to illustrate. But bro come on, you're telling me hiruzen isn't beating Sasuke?? This dude highballs the fuck outta Sasuke and really downplays a lot of people.
@@treeztop I would guess hiruzen has a good chance, and kakashi I think was wayyy low balled. He's extremely smart and quick with strategies plus has 1000 jutsu, I think he has a good chance of at least outlasting Sasuke.
I feel you limited Kakashi's ranged abilities, he actually has several ranged techniques, ranging from fireball to water dragon jutsu. Tsunade actually can Crack Sasukes ribcage cuz she did that with Madara. Your videos are good but sometimes you limit or overestimate certain character. Your comparing Sasukes sasuno to amped war Arc Madara susano that not very accurate.
Fr no way heavy Sasuke's susanoo is anywhere near as strong as any of Madara's susanoo forms. A punch from Tsunade would destroy his defense if not one shot if Tsunade is amped with the will of fire.
@@bigdojacoom8999 why would she? Sasukes rib cage tanked a liger bomb at its weakest state. Tsunade's punches are stronger than a liger bomb but not enough to break a full skeleton Susanoo.
War arc Kakashi is no joke, he was fighting tail BEASTS (yeap in plural) at the same time with no difficult whatsoever, he didn't overpowered them, but he was fighting at least at the same level. Tsunade broke Madara's rib cage and no way 5 kage summit Sasuke was in that level, also A was toying with Sasuke in parts of their fight and if wasn't Gaara Sasuke would have died, A would lose the leg, but no way Sasuke could defend himself from that. Sage Naruto fought Pain, who had more hacks than Sasuke and more power, if you are using Pain arc sage Naruto, Naruto could use the nine tails V2 cloak and I highly doubt that Sasuke could do some control genjutsu in that version of Kurama cloak, he did with supressed Kurama in the beginning of Shippuden, he also did with V2 Killer Bee, but the cloak Naruto used was stronger and also Bee wasn't blood lusted as this version of Naruto was. Also I didn't mentioned that Pain ark Naruto had Kotoamatsukami, maybe it could be activated with Sasuke in the same way it was activated with Itachi, that is a possibility, but is speculative. Tobirama dodged Madara, and WAR ARC Sasuke with EMS almost died with 0 effort from Madara, ok Madara was with one rinnegan agains Sasuke, but even BLIND we just toyed with Sasuke and the same Madara dodged Tobirama.
Danzo wasn’t necessarily dumb by staying close to the susanoo, he already had izinagi active which is a timed jutsu so him instigating susanoo use could just be interpreted as him trying to tire sasuke out which was the entire goal of the fight. 5:40 Danzo breaking the susanoo ribcage shoduknt be an anti feat, he and hiruzen were rivals throughout their lives which should include their old versions as well. Hiruzen is generally implied to be a little bit physically stronger then Danzo like how he knows one more nature transformation but considering the fact that the elders place them about the same and that kakashi is scared as hell of Danzo even post kage summit, it’s safe to assume that Danzo and hiruzen should be comparable and that kabuto’s statement might have baring on him too. This is also ignoring that he has hashirama cells that help augment his abilities hiruzen does not have. 17:40 Nice raid ad though
i love hypotheticals like this youve earned my sub im not gonna lie Sasuke truly didnt reach high Kage level till EMS sadly, have you already dont a battle if Sasuke fought Itachi with Mongekyou Sharingan?
Also also you/he does not use actual statements and feats just like " Uhhh saskue broke a random pillar that we don't have any way to scale the durability of but it rock so it strong" you/he makes no sense and this is more of a deathbattle (the youtube channel) type vid.
The only one I probably would push back on is Tsunade. You didn't mention the possibility of her summoning Katsuyu. I think when she realizes she isn't strong enough to punch through the Susano'o, she'd probably summon Katsuyu and try to melt through it. Orochimaru suggested that was a possibility when Tsunade spoke with him, and when Mizukage Mai uses the corrosive gas jutsu, it seemed like it was working on the Susano'o. I don't think she'd win against Sasuke, and she'd certainly lose to Obito. But if she can get through the Susano'o, then her losing is not a foregone conclusion. I would rank her on the same level as Hiruzen, rather than the bottom in this matchup.
@@elhood4060 meh. Amaterasu is overrated. The greatest fire jutsu with unquenchable flames didn't do a damn thing through the vast majority of the series. Its only function was to show how effective the defenses of others were. Katsuyu would probably just multiply and slough it off, just like Gaara did with his sand, or Naruto did with Kurama's chakra cloak.
with hiraishin both tobirama and minato kill sasuke in an instant befor he even knows what happened. just one direct hit from tsunade and sasuke is dead and his weak susanoo wouldnt last more than a hit either.
I agree. Like Tsunade was cracking Madara’s. I think we can give her credit enough to break Sasuke’s inferior skeletal… especially with strength of a hundred. After that she just outlasts him
you have to remember, tobirama is a genius. He knows more about the sharingan and the uchiha than sasuke himself. He fought and killed many uchiha and killed izuna with the mangekyou sharingan. Heck, even obito wouldn't let sasuke fight tobirama. But anyways, at the begining of the fight tobirama should be able to notice that sasuke's MS is starting to weaken (cuz he's a genius), so instead of trying to kill sasuke, his main objective would be to force sasuke to overuse his MS. just to check if sasuke has the susanoo, tobirama sends a water or a shadow clone to attack first. Once it is confirmed that sasuke has the susanoo, tobirama would begin to use various types of water justu in a large amount, frustrating sasuke to use his first ameterasu. Seeing Sasuke's eyes bleed, tobirama would continue his attack on sasuke forcing him to go exit the susanoo and fight tobirama with lightning style. Tobirama's speed and flying raijin would kill sasuke. If not sasuke uses his armoured susanoo which tobirama manages to outlast with his powerful jutsu and huge chakra reserves. after sasuke is done tobirama goes for the kill only to be stopped by obito.
sasuke susano wank is insane. and your downplaying hiruzen very heavily. Hirzen has a clear speed advantage from when he saved naruto in the war. also the fact you consider sasuke breaking a few stone pillars to be a better feat than hiruzen breaking the god tree roots with his staff is almost laughable. hiruzen stomps its not funny
Tsunade’s way too slow and lumbering to really threaten Sasuke much. Sasuke has closer matches with faster opponents, and has all the tools to keep her away.
I’m just unsure of the situation where she’s bisected. Plus she could summon lady Katsuya to make sasuke waste a little more chakra. Rather than winning via actually being more powerful she might be able to outlast sasuke until he’s totally blind
@@davandutra-smith8505 exactly, Katsuyu would be immune to Susanoo damage plus her acid would burn through him and she replenishes Tsunade while being a distraction
9:32 > He wouldn’t be able to power-up in time. Tsuande’s blow would persist after smashing through the Susano’o. Just like the Raikage’s chop did. That’s how momentum works.
I think horizon was taking alot of liberty with Sasukes eye power they grew during the battle due to his hatred but he only had so many attacks before he started going almost blind.
Sasuke got tagged by danzo several times in the fight. It was part of maneuvers to get the upper hand on danzo but he wouldn't have had to resort to that if his speed was significantly higher than danzo's at the time. This makes me feel like their speed is at least in the same class at the moment of the fight.
They all likely murder him with fairly little difficulty lol. At least that’s my first thoughts without taking any time to really figure it Edit: I did not know what version of the characters and that obito saving his weak butt counts as a win
Pausing the vid: it's your vid, so I respect your choice, but I believe that you could do a quick research and find canon sources describing some of the differents powers Kakashi gained as Hokage. And now, I see you've also forgotten some of the abilities that he had since before the war arc, like the two electricity tigers or the electricity clones. Or the fireball jutsu, or one of the other thousand of jutsus in has in his arsenal. He's also able to use Kamui much more often without being overtired during the war arc. And I don't think there're good indications that he can't use it on a living being during the war. I'm starting to believe that people saying you're downplaying war arc Kakashi might have a point. I'll look out the vid you've made about this. And, at this point, Sasuke's Susano is strong, but not invincible either.
@@animejerk05 that just proves how much weaker the Raigkage is to Tsunade. Its just ridiculous to compare Sasuke's Susanno that cant even walk to Madara's Susanno
Hey man love your videos and this one was great as well. In a future video do you think you could cover who’s stronger at the end of every major arc they both display power in between Sasuke & Naruto??? Would be super interesting to see the end result
I think Hashirama Tobirama and Minato are just on a higher level than Sasuke at that particular point. I don’t think Sasuke can kill Tsunade at full power either.
You can’t just say that he could just keep brining up a susono when using susono itself take enormous amount of chakura. Not to mention continuous susono spamming will make sasuke go blind so he’s not just dropping a susono fighting close range then popping another susono. Maybe once but not twice
@@marko1263 this is true but this is itachi we are talkin about. The uchiha prodigy the one that awakened the mangekeyo sharingan at a young age. The man who killed his whole clan. The only reason sasuke won against him is because he was dying from overusing charka in his eyes aka going blind. Let’s not forget we never see a full susono from itachi in fact his never has legs ever. So to think that sasuke could just drop a perfect susono fight close range then pop another perfect susono 2 or 3 times is crazy. Especially not during that era of his life
@@Buckets32 I mean we literally see Sasuke switch Susano'o on and off multiple times against Kages. He can do the same if it gets destroyed. Also, not talking about Perfect Susano'o here, but lesser versions.
I would like to see a video where characters that are weaker than but are bad matches or have hard counters /win conditions against much stronger opponents
Alot of obvious Kakashi facts were left out of this. 1. Kakashi normally approaches with a clone 1st. Like when he used a clone to beat Itachi, and when he used a lightning clone against Pain, etc. Kakashi would almost certainly use this in his first couple of interactions against Sasuke's susano to figure out a way to fight it. 1. He could use Fang Pursuit jutsu against susano. Gara showed everybody against madara that susano's weak point is at the user's feet. He easily used sand on the ground to grab madara's feet and throw him out of susano. Kakashi could essentially do the same thing using fang pursuit.
Hashirama : Is a literal Cheat code Tobirama : Jutsu creator who didn't use 1% of his creation. but get a 1000% buff against uchiha Hiruzen : Master of 5 chakra elements and have a monkey king as a summon Minato : You are already dead before you can blink Tsunade : Super power and almost unlimited regeneration, and a giant slug as a summon Kakashi : Copied over a thousand jutsu but just use his raikiri and his dog, oh and a mud wall. but kamui is a convenient cheat tho... Naruto : Main Protag, you will feel guilty that you turn evil when he talk to you
I love your videos. The ideas you be coming up with along with your explanations for your points are very interesting. I do have a question. Who'd win in a battle between Raikage and Tsunade. They are comparable to each other but who's arsenal over comes the other?
@@drowning.macaco but let's also consider how Tsunade can heal her body. If she hits him, I can see it hurting him well. Tbh though u right Tsunade didn't want smoke with Ai until Naruto was thought to be in a bind before he speed blitzed Ai
@@drowning.macaco so true honestly. Despite all her fears during the Madara fight, Ai can avoid hits way faster, his lightning cloak protects him from damage similar to the susano. And his power is similar to Tsunade.
Though an argument against Ai is that Tsunade pushed Madara better than Ai ever could but that could be a misinterpretation due to Madara playing with the 5 kage
I question the logic of the tsunade fight I dont think it would get any further than a rib cage cause tsunade was able to break a much stronger susanoo (madaras) in two hits (and would have killed the user had he not been dead already with edo) I see no reason why she wouldn't just bust theough a fatigued sasuke using a jutsu he just got that has already been smashed by a physically weaker kage like it was little more than wet rice paper and killing him Scenario he uses chidori to end it quickly like with Ay finds out that she heals stuff like that with no issues from here 1 of 3 things happens 1 she goes to punch him he uses the ribcage it gets obliterated as he flies about 1000 meters away with likely one less far earlier than intended and he bleeds to death at which point she retreats because she can't hit obito or is kidnapped by him for the same reason 2 sasuke goes all in with amateratsu to burn her she most likely ground and pounds until he dies worse case scenario it's a draw between her and sasuke 3 obito is an active participant in the fight and keeps teleporting sasuke away from her punches which leads to a sasuke victory over tsunade at that time
Nice of you to ignore Naruto and Tsunade's summon which Sasuke has no way of dealing. It will counter Amaterasu by removing the affected area much like Naruto did with kyuubi chakra, susanoo force won't work. Sasuke's Susanoo is overrated af in this video. His susanoo couldn't withstand Ay when Madara's withstood an amped Ay. His susanoo got melted when Madara's didn't.
Prime Akatsuki + Tobirama VS Final Valley Madara (no 9tails) Imagine if Tobirama hired the Akatsuki to intercept Madara before his fight with Hashirama, and before he had time to catch the 9tails. Tobirama thinks letting the 1st Hokage fight Madara would put the Leaf at risk as Hashirama would not come out unscathed. To avoid other villages taking advantage of this vulnerability, Tobirama enlists the help of a mercenary group. - Itachi and Obito were Uchiha members who did not believe in Madara's ideology and volunteers in this expedition. - Nagato and Konan had their parents killed during the warring states period
Horizon, why do you keep doing this to tobirama? Did you not read in the manga, Minato saying , " the second is so fast ". Minato said that just after tobirama placed the paper bombs on obito and lauched his attack. Is it so hard to believe. He even marked him with FTG. Madara with sage mode and rinnegan was literally the strongest person there. Its possible he use limbo on tobirama, like he did to sauske and the tailed beast.
This man really just implied that sasuke’s susanoo ribcage is almost as strong as madara’s full body perfect susanoo… IMO that take invalidated most of the opinions following it for me
You keep comparing characters that have drastically different levels of strength. Madara’s susanoo is not the same as Sasuke’s susanoo. That’s like saying Kid Naruto’s Rasengan would be the same strength as Hokage Naruto’s Rasengan because they’re the same Jutsu. It makes no sense.
He’s just scaling. Do you think madaras rib cage stage is more durable than a full skeleton susano from sasuke? it’s the further evolution of the same jutsu
@@spit-fire Yes. That is how the susanoo works. There isn’t a chakra limit for the ribcage so that means he is pouring more chakra than sasuke. One feat to prove this is that kcm1 naruto did either a bijuu bomb or rasen shuriken and madara’s susanoo AURA (aura
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10:35 i Need to be Honest at this point, the Madara Clones are Way Way Way Stronger than Sasuke, sorry to say, the same for the Susano, like yeap she just crack that, BUT IS THE MADARA SUSANO and every Susano have his own power level, this sound insane but the true is, if Sasuke try the same thing with HER HE WOULD BE DEAD. 13:40 this is NON SENSE, Random Stone Pilars >>>(stronger than)>>> The Strongest Chakra Realease(Wood) that came from the STRONGEST VERSION POSSIBLE THE GOD TREE, WTF? 15:00 Amaterasu don´t stop to burn, but don´t have infinite heat of something like this, is just fire but don´t fade, stone wall, would stop 100%, 17:26 why sasuke Susano should be stronger? realy why? every evidence possible show the other way arond. 17:44 HOW HE WOULD SURVIVE THAT?A Imortal with 2 Hearts, and Iron Skin, can´t, how normal Skin would do this? Even Madara used the Rinnegan to Stop this atack because he feels that was too much and he was a Edo, no normal human in the Narutoverse can survive a full hit of a Rasenshuriken, not even the paths of pain that can survive a lot of damage. Susuke inside the Susano, is just a normal guy, and a a lot weaker wind style almost could hit him, imagine the STRONGEST WIND STYLE EVER. and yes he can react but think about, naruto would just use a fake one and then hit with the real Rasenshuriken, so sasuke would die anyway, i know is hard to think Naruto trying to kill Sasuke, but the true is, the Only 2 times Sasuke was above Naruto was in the first arc of Zabuza and in they first enconter in Shipudden after Pain naruto just don´t Kill Sasuke on sight,bucause he don´t want it to. 18:51 Amateratsu Make the Rasenshuriken STRONGER, soooo THIS IS A BAD IDEIA HAHAHAH, 18:56 Amaterasu hits what is on sight, he don´t stop anything, sooo, if Sasuke use this agaist a Rasenshuriken would just make a Flame Rasenshuriken Came in this Direction, the only way he can use flames agaist is normal Flames because of how Amateratsu works, and even then Naruto can just use a fake one or Explode before time forcing Sasuke to Jump and Hiting with the Second on in the Air. 19:13 he don´t have this power wet agaist Danzo
Two things couldn’t frog kumite hit sasuke even though he’s in his susanno, couldn’t tobirama still flying rajin out of kamui and wouldn’t tobirama have counters to susanno since he stated to have studied madara sharingan
Tobirama gets 50% attack boost when fighting uchiha
50%???? Nah dont downrate tobirama. Thats way more than 50%
Nah he gets at least 200%
A good uchiha, is a dead uchiha
Advancement acheived: ultimate racism
I also heard his chakra pool quadruples in reaction to the sight of a uchiha
Every other Hokage: Detailed explanation of each win condition
Hashirama: J U S T W I N S
Hashirama IS the wincondition. Even 50 years after death hashirama cells win fights.
@Insomnia Core So? There's no other version of Hashirama that we can use to make it fair. Kage Summit Sasuke vs SM Naruto has always been a pretty debated topic
You could hardly call Kakashi’s win conditions detailed or well thought-out. That was abysmal.
@@EternalBrightness3 go make your own video bro, I'm just tryna make a joke
@@jaasonjones4419 kage summit sasuke would probably body sm naruto
Yeah, you definitely overestimated Sasuke's Susanoo. It's nowhere on the same level as Madara's at least this version of Sasuke's isn't.
Yeah the Raikage cracked the rib cage by slamming it and it took Ohnoki amping him to crack Madaras rib cage Tsunade could could break Sasukes much easier
Idk sasuke was CONSUMED by hate here. That makes his eyes stronger.
@@spit-fire
he doesnt even have ems at this point which makes his eyes far weaker than madaras.
@@spit-fire Bro, anyone could be compared to Madara at that time, A was toying with Sasuke even though he lost a arm and almost lost his leg, A with Onoki's amp was having a hard time with a weak Madara, there is no anger that could make that Sasuke compared to Madara, also war arc EMS Sasuke wasn't a thing to BLIND Madara.
Show me where it says ems makes susano stronger. Ems just makes you never go blind. Which lets you practice ur susano without going blind
You forgot Tsunade summoning Katsuyu. She would be immune to the susano because she would split into thousands of little slugs. Her acid would easily burn through Sasuke’s susanoo.
And her acid could counter the Amaterasu.
I think Tsunade was definitely underrated here. Her strength should be more than capable of breaking susanoo. I mean if you want to scale madara clone to sasuke we still run into the issue of Sasuke being relatively new with it, a well recovered Tsunade could be bold enough to attempt and succeed. And forces Obito to intervene.
Plus he didn’t mention her summoning a giant slug
Definitely.
Dito.
From what I saw, Madara had to physically jump back and Ninjutsu-counterattack to avoid his Susanoo being damaged even more (if not outright broken) by Tsunade - *you don't do that* if you're comfortable that your defenses will hold!
So I definitively think she was at least downplayed here in this regard.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 true I think she can break the skeleton at best but nothing more. Amaterasu will be an even bigger problem she'll just keep burning and regenerating till she cant
@@elhood4060 I agree.
Tsunade will probably break the Susanoo but will struggle against Amaterasu.
Maybe while still healing and regenerating from the black flames, she can continue for a little while and get one or two heavy/lucky hits on Sasuke, before finally being taken down by the continuous black fire?
So it's a draw at most (if the odds are in Tsunade's favour), I'd say.
I think you overrate a bit sasuke's susanoo, madara took a massive rasengan with is ribcage but madara is madara... he is on all other league than kage summit sasuke
That’s what I’m thinking, tsunade even being able to crack madaras rib cage susanoo is a massive feat because at that time he still had the ems which buffs the susanoo itself massively, she could for sure handle his baby susanoo
Not only that but if for comparison he is pretty much putting Sasuke in Madara's susanoo and they are to completely different levels at that time
I agree. He also didn’t bring up how Naruto could use Frog Kata against Sasuke. It wouldn’t be in Sasuke’s best interest to get into close quarters combat with Sage Naruto and his only counter would be to use Susanoo to defend himself.
okay im not the only one who was thinking this😂cause if im correct Mei mist was able to melt his susanoo...which couldnt melt Madara's susanoo if im correct 😑
@@Kunttessa I don’t think the guy that made the video realizes that ems buffs every form of the susanoos durability
You forgot that Sussano doesn't protect the feet in its incomplete form. Kakashi, Hiruzen, and Tobirama would definitely exploit that early in the fight.
sasuke can mitigate that weakness by adding inferno style to the sasanoo armour
@@animejerk05 he doesn’t even do that in boruto why would he do it all the way back during the summit? Lmao
@@meetthemoo225 he did add it to his susanoo ribcage but there's nothing suggesting he would have enough Chakrabto cover the skeletal susanoo
@@paddykelly2851 he need ems you didn't discover that ability at that time
You heavily overrate Sasuke's Susanoo in this moment of time. Its nowhere near Madara's level or even Itachi's which has better hax abillities. I'd say Tobirama also clears both wincon and p much all of them have chance of beating this version of Sasuke.
all of the hokage beat him low diff lmfao except for sage naruto
bro said war arc kakashi loses to ms sasuke and said war arc tsunade loses to ms sasuke bro? ems madara uchiha listen madara uchiha the guy who fought hashirama and tsunade broke his susanoo not his clones shusanoo THEN SHES OBVIOUSLY GONNA DONUT SASUKE THROUGH THE SUSANOO SINCE ITS BASE MS NOT EMS THIS IS NOT WAR ARC SASUKE
I love this guys content but he missed so hard with this video
War arc kakashi is insane he'll kamui snipe kage summit Sasuke
I love your content bro, but I have to disagree with you on the Tsunade vs Sasuke.
1. Sasuke was clearly not on Madara’s level when it came to raw power.
2. She’s a master of medical ninjutsu.
Plus she has her summoning
@@AddisonSandoval Right!
I think there's a key factor in Tobirama's case that you're forgetting. The battle was held on a bridge, thus there was a significant source of water around. Now if a massively nerfed reanimation with no water source was able to break through Hiruzen's earth release walls, and earth normally counters water, just imagine what a full power Tobirama can do near a big body of water. He'll defeat Sasuke without even using FTG and then force Obito to retreat. If Tobirama can also use Minato's mark on Obito's back and realize it is there, Obito is as good as dead.
As for Minato, I can see him coming up with some Uzumaki technique to seal Sasuke in a way that makes it impossible for Obito to rescue him, meaning Sasuke is brought back to the village alive. And if this happens in a timeline where Minato and Obito also had their skirmish during the 9 tails attack, then I can even see Minato blitzing Obito and either kill or seal him BEFORE dealing with Sasuke, as there's still a mark on his back.
Minato gets bodied here. Hes not taking on obito and sasuke solo LMFAOOOO
@@princedame9534 Pre-EMS Sasuke has absolutely no speed feats to even make Minato sweat. He got defeated by weaker and slower Kage at the summit and was only saved by Obito, Zetsu and plot armor.
And Obito...he already tried his luck against Minato once, and was only saved by being covered in an armor of Hashirama cells. There's zero evidence that would support him doing better this time, as he has the same Kamui and maybe an extra base Sharingan to bail him out with an Izanagi. He might be able to flee from Minato, but that's his best case scenario.
@@princedame9534 You're a nut job if you think Minato is getting bodied by either of these fools at this time. Minato I would win that battle with his eyes closed and both hands tied behind his back. There's absolutely nothing that Sasuke or Obito could do at this point to even touch Minato. If you remember their first fight Obito couldn't lay a finger on him and Sasuke isn't doing anything. Sasuke was 100% carried by plot armor as to why he even survived Naruto Shippuden to begin with
@@BedjamRivera if you're a minatotard just say that XD
Don't waste my time crying smh lmfaoooo
Lmao it's not water bending. Having more water around won't mean shit if he can't manipulate it he'll be using same chakra and it won't matter
Honestly, I think Sasuke loses to all of these opponents, and I generally disagree with your scaling.
Kakashi is completely downplayed
Tsunade is scaled really badly (how do Madara's clones compare to this Sasuke?)
Hiruzen is scaled above Orochimaru but still loses even though Sasuke is around Sannin tier, and the God Tree being weaker than random Pillars is goofy
Naruto scaling is pretty spot on
I think Tobirama has a way easier time than the video suggests, simply based on speed and endurance.
Minato is just better Tobirama, so he would have an even easier time.
Hashirama chakra crushes Sasuke and bullies Obito.
Kakashi was legit afraid of Orochimaru, so any shinobi who can beat him would waste Kakashi with relative ease.
Susano'o is Susan'o. It doesn't make a difference who summons him. Tsunade cracks a ribcage of Madara's Susano'o, She'd do the same against Sasuke's.
Hiruzen is a bit tricky. He and Orochimaru were toying with each other until Orochimaru used Ero Tensei to summon Tobirama and Hashirama, so there's no real way to scale them together.
Naruto is definitely correct.
Tobirama and Hashirama couldn't beat Hiruzen together. If Hiruzen can't beat Sasuke, then either of them alone would stand even less a chance.
So the only ones who could beat Sasuke would be Naruto and Minato.
@@grindingtheaxe3027
-I guess Kakashi hasn't gotten any stronger in the 2 years since that encounter. He's still just jonin level.
-Susanoo is a chakra-based ability, thus it's strength is based off chakra, like every jutsu. Madara has more chakra than Sasuke. You do the math.
-Hiruzen fought Orochimaru directly during their battle. They were equal in ninjutsu, but Hiruzen was able to bully Orochimaru in taijutsu. The only reason he didn't win was because he was too old and tired to use the Reaper Death Seal.
-Naruto moment
-The edo-tensei that Hiruzen fought were weakened. Based on Hashirama vs Madara, the war arc, and many statements, they massively outscale Sasuke.
Did he use war kakashi against sasuke or kage summit version? If its war kakashi then I can safely say he wins if not hes losing
"how dose Madara's clones compare to this Sasuke?"
This is the dumbest power scaling.These clones couldn't beat kages for hours. Imagine if each Kage fought Six Paths of Pain. Pain low diff everyone in minutes except Ay and Gaara. People acting like each Susanoo clone is above MS Sasuke which makes 0 sense, because two armed Ay tied with early 5KS Sasuke, but now one armed Ay fighting 5 MS Sasuke combined?
@@Disguised_Max he says in the video it is war arc Kakashi, since he doesn't want to scale actual Hokage Kakashi.
Good video. Bad takes.
Tsunade slaps Sasuke's susanno down. 5 Edo wood Madara clones >>>>>> Sauske's incomplete susanno.
Kakashi just kamui snipes. "He can't do that." No, you just don't want him to.
Exactly he didn’t mention her summoning jutsu or Kakashi using shadow clones and his strategies
Tobirama would have absolutely destroyed sasuke at this point in time
Even Madara respected Tobirama, no way 5 kage summit Sasuke could be a threat.
Bro I'm sayin. I hate seeing people underestimate one of the smartest (if not the smartest) and possibly fastet hokage
@@lordofleaves257 not fastest lmao
Tobirama and Hashirama together couldn't beat Hiruzen. Hiruzen was Orochimaru level.
@@grindingtheaxe3027 They were at like 30% then lmaoo
I cant believe this man actually compared MS Sasuke's susanoo to Rinnegan Madara's susanoo. Hes no doubt a fan. Almost every kage could prolly solo this form of sasuke 1v1.
You would be a clown to think that. Third hokage gets bodied, Tsunade gets bodied, kakashi gets no diffed, tobirama wins, hashirama wins, sage mode naruto lose but is saved by ninetails.
Minato without ninetails gets bodied.
I'm not giving him the two sage mode clones lmfao for naruto
@@princedame9534 All kage wins except for Tsunade and Kakashi. (Unincluding war arc kakashi cause hed demolish this sasuke) All Raikage and Minato have to do is stall until sasukes susanoo causes him goes blind. They are simply too fast for sasuke to hit effectively.
@@selfmadetjh8889 I know you didn't say raikage LMFAOOOO. Oh boy stop now
@@selfmadetjh8889 third kage loses as well. He actually gets low diffed here. War arc kakashi gets bodied as well UNLESS you're talking DMS kakashi
@@princedame9534 Yes i said Raikage 😂 tell me what can sasuke do to actually hit him or Minato? Exactly. The difference is that their natural powers arent causing them to go blind every second they are active. And mangekuyo sharingun kakashi could just use kamui to lock on to sasukes head the same way he did the geko statue and it would be over. Dms kakashi is overkill.
I feel like you kind of forgot that Tobirama created a jutsu that literally counters sharingan users.
Hashirama?
Izuna didn't use Susano'o
@@zelz3011 I am actually not sure who exactly created it, while Tobirama is only seen using it in the anime, there is no reason for someone like him not to be able to use a jutsu that complete counters the Uchiha, the Jutsu is called "Bringer-of-Darkness Technique"
@@Draxeid Most likely both of them know it but if you use the Manga as your main source then Hashirama most likely created it.
@@marko1263 excatly flying god didnt become a viable option to kill izuna for good until he he was nearly bind and could no longer risk using ms techniques
I don’t think tobirama would care about wether something’s a forbidden Jutsu considering he made it. Actually no one seems too, only thing more ignored than the ‘forbidden’ title is tenten
Can we at least agree that Sasuke leaving the summit alive was top 5 most blatant use of plot armor in the entire show?
Sasuke surviving Deidara better be on that list, lol
I don't know...there are some pretty blatant uses of plot armor in there.
1. Hinata is pierced through her everything vs Pain.
2. Kakashi holds his breath for 20 minutes vs Zabuza.
3. Karin gets penetrated in not the way she'd like vs Sasuke
4. Haku: 1,000 Needles! (vs Naruto and Sasuke)
5. Yeah, I guess that would make top 5.
Don’t forget Naruto saving Might Guy right after using the gates AS SOON as he gets his power up
@@grindingtheaxe3027 The twenty minutes against Zabuza can be tossed up to Anime time, Haku was specifically avoiding killing them, pretty sure Zabuza calls him soft for it.
Also, I though Hinata got ground slammed, not knife partied.
Karin is an Uzumaki, Uzumaki's have EXTREME vitality, reminder that Gaara died immediately from having Shukaku removed, while Kushina survived for like, HOURS after having Kurama removed, AND being weakened by child birth. Even then, Kushina only fully died due to Kurama piercing her, she likely had more time left even with the tailed beast removed.
So technically, you could ignore three of those with established lore, both prior and later, and a meta reason for KakashiVsZabuza.
@@grindingtheaxe3027 rinne rebirth revived hinata if i remember correctly
1st Hokage: Wins within 1-2 minutes real-time while reminiscing Madara.
2nd Hokage: Wins within 10 minutes while rambling about Uchiha being evil.
3rd Hokage: Wins in 2-3 hours. Probably feels regret for failing to guide Sasuke like he did with Orochimaru.
4th Hokage: Wins within 15-20 minutes while figuring out that Sasuke was being manipulated.
5th Hokage: Wins in 2-3 hours while reminiscing Orochimaru and Naruto.
6th Hokage (Kakashi): Wins within 2-3 hours. Left immobilised due to chakra depletion.
7th Hokage (Naruto): Wins within 1-2 mins. But canonically won't happen because Naruto will Talk No Jutsu
The 4th Hokage 5-8 mins
3-7 gets clapped.
@CANTGUARDB3 we're talking about kage summit sasuke
@Izuka-chan ik
Minato claps in seconds and hashirama deadass just has to flex his chakra and sasuke is running the other way he’s brave not stupid…
I actually think Tobirama is also able to defeat Obito as Uchihas are his "speciality". The Flying Raijin was developed to counter the sharigans ability to track the opponents movement, then there is the Infinite Darkness Jutsu a jutsu he only used in the anime and was used by Hashirama in the manga, which in my opinion means the he still knows it. It's a genjutsu that makes the opponent only see darkness rendering their eyesight and again the sharingan useless, which is why I believe Tobirama created it. These two jutsus alone should be able to defeat Sasuke as he would need to keep up the Susanoo and then burn through his chakra.
As for Obito Tobirama should be able to react to him and funnily enough his Shadow Clones also counter Kamui. If Obito sucks in a Shadow Clone Tobirama would get it's knowledge back if he releases it thus knowing that he teleports you somewhere. If he doesn't release it and Obito Kamuis himself away there is a shadow clone waiting for him. I think it's also debatable if Tobirama can use Flying Rajin to escape the Kamui dimension.
Agreed 100%.
I am not sure the clones work that way. Naruto couldnt release his clones with nature chakra while fighting Pein. He had to summon them to get the chakra so i would guess you cant release a clone inside kamui to get that knowledge. Besides that when Obito kamuis someone he seems to have some degree of control of that person's condition as in he can make them pass out. If not that creates some plot hole because anyone he kamuis could easily fight back from the other side.
If kakashi lands kamui on sasuke, susanoo or not, sasuke dies. I really don’t see how you’re trying to claim sasuke can tank a kamui. The way kamui works that’s just not physically possible
Why would he try and tank it
@@phantless2203 idk why he would try to tank it.. you’d have to ask @New Horizons that
I recently found your channel and really enjoy it but feel you massively underestimate Tobirama and compare Sasuke too closely to war arc Madara which isn't the case especially since this is Kage summit Sasuke, great analysis tho!
I think tobirama just outclasses this sasuke in everything. I see him overwhelming susano with water style, and other long range jutsu he might have.
you underestimate kakashi very much. i don't think you realize how op kakashi is in the war arc. his kamui is limitless, kakashi improved extremely during shippuden. I think he wins relatively easy. no attacks would be dangerous for kakashi since he has kamui. he is also much smarter and more experienced than sasuke. he has proven many times that he is kcm1 naruto level. he was able to teleport a rasengan from a moving naruto, that is in that moment faster than the raikage, who is the fastest shinobi,he was also a big factor in being able to land attacks on jubidara, he could also suck the entire 8 tailed in and out, and was even able to win against obito although the fight is a bit controversial.
Obito went easy on Kakashi that fight was solely purposed for Obito getting rid of the seal on his heart. In addition Obito still had Chakra to leave the dimension while Kakashi was completely drained after the fight.
@@ashutoshmadhu9821 did you just imply that ms sasuke scales to rinnegan obito?
It's limitless? I remember him trying to use it to decapitate the Gedo Statue and it causing him to collapse and bleed from that eye.
@@TheCrazedGuitarist And this is before you factor in that Hokage Kakashi doesn't even have Sharingan anymore.
@@TheCrazedGuitarist i remember that obito stopped him doing that
Sasuke has no answer to Naruto's frog kata since only sage mode users can sense it. In taijutsu, Naruto wins easily regardless of whether Sasuke is fast enough to dodge his actual punches.
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No because after it happens once he's just gonna protect from it or react so GG.
If he gets hit once, it's over. Sasuke in base doesn't have any crazy durability feats and Naruto took out a path of Pain using frog Kata.
@@amorbis4210 Pain Paths are Konohamaru Rasengan + Arguable Mental Amp Level at that point.
Yeah I think Sasuke can be strong enough to take a Rasengan from Konohamaru.
@@zelz3011 Sasuke wouldn't get hit by Konohamaru in the first place. His sharingan allows him to read movements and avoid damage. He doesn't need to be durable. Curse mode 2 Sasuke could probably shrug off a rasengan. But if kage summit Sasuke took one, he'd be out of the fight.
Kakashi can use hidden mist jutsu to hide from Sasuke.
Tsunade Can use the slug acid to dissolve Susanoo
"well Tsunade only cracked Madaras susanoo so I don't really see her doing much to Sasuke's"
Bro the comparisons from Sasuke to Madara are NOT warranted at all they are nowhere near the same level until Sasuke got the rinnesharingan. This man's is getting clapped by almost all the hokages 🥱
Isn’t he faster than tsunada though?
@@treeztop very possible, I won't argue she's faster. More so as I said the comparisons to Madara are not realistic scaling for Sasuke, that's why I used that quote with Tsunade because it served well to illustrate. But bro come on, you're telling me hiruzen isn't beating Sasuke?? This dude highballs the fuck outta Sasuke and really downplays a lot of people.
@@lordofleaves257 the hiruzen section wasn’t covered well to me either. I have to agree, sasuke’s rib cage susano got overhyped.
Hiruzen figured out the edo’s weakness pretty fast. he’s probably way smarter than this bloodlusted sasuke.
@@treeztop I would guess hiruzen has a good chance, and kakashi I think was wayyy low balled. He's extremely smart and quick with strategies plus has 1000 jutsu, I think he has a good chance of at least outlasting Sasuke.
I feel you limited Kakashi's ranged abilities, he actually has several ranged techniques, ranging from fireball to water dragon jutsu.
Tsunade actually can Crack Sasukes ribcage cuz she did that with Madara.
Your videos are good but sometimes you limit or overestimate certain character. Your comparing Sasukes sasuno to amped war Arc Madara susano that not very accurate.
I feel like he just doesn’t know enough about the characters he talks about.
Fr no way heavy Sasuke's susanoo is anywhere near as strong as any of Madara's susanoo forms. A punch from Tsunade would destroy his defense if not one shot if Tsunade is amped with the will of fire.
@@aaronm66961 her punch might destroy the ribcage but realistically she isnt breaking any higher possessions
@@ShonenGoon why wouldn’t she?
@@bigdojacoom8999 why would she? Sasukes rib cage tanked a liger bomb at its weakest state. Tsunade's punches are stronger than a liger bomb but not enough to break a full skeleton Susanoo.
War arc Kakashi is no joke, he was fighting tail BEASTS (yeap in plural) at the same time with no difficult whatsoever, he didn't overpowered them, but he was fighting at least at the same level.
Tsunade broke Madara's rib cage and no way 5 kage summit Sasuke was in that level, also A was toying with Sasuke in parts of their fight and if wasn't Gaara Sasuke would have died, A would lose the leg, but no way Sasuke could defend himself from that.
Sage Naruto fought Pain, who had more hacks than Sasuke and more power, if you are using Pain arc sage Naruto, Naruto could use the nine tails V2 cloak and I highly doubt that Sasuke could do some control genjutsu in that version of Kurama cloak, he did with supressed Kurama in the beginning of Shippuden, he also did with V2 Killer Bee, but the cloak Naruto used was stronger and also Bee wasn't blood lusted as this version of Naruto was. Also I didn't mentioned that Pain ark Naruto had Kotoamatsukami, maybe it could be activated with Sasuke in the same way it was activated with Itachi, that is a possibility, but is speculative.
Tobirama dodged Madara, and WAR ARC Sasuke with EMS almost died with 0 effort from Madara, ok Madara was with one rinnegan agains Sasuke, but even BLIND we just toyed with Sasuke and the same Madara dodged Tobirama.
Did you just scale 5 Kate summit Sasuke to Madara 💀
Sasuke in 5 kage summit spammed plot armor no jutsu
This dude just finds a way for Sasuke to win . Lol dammm
Danzo wasn’t necessarily dumb by staying close to the susanoo, he already had izinagi active which is a timed jutsu so him instigating susanoo use could just be interpreted as him trying to tire sasuke out which was the entire goal of the fight. 5:40
Danzo breaking the susanoo ribcage shoduknt be an anti feat, he and hiruzen were rivals throughout their lives which should include their old versions as well. Hiruzen is generally implied to be a little bit physically stronger then Danzo like how he knows one more nature transformation but considering the fact that the elders place them about the same and that kakashi is scared as hell of Danzo even post kage summit, it’s safe to assume that Danzo and hiruzen should be comparable and that kabuto’s statement might have baring on him too. This is also ignoring that he has hashirama cells that help augment his abilities hiruzen does not have. 17:40
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Danzo is trash. LMFAO.
Kakashi isn't scared of danzo
Wtf are you even talking about??????
I think Tsunade would beat Saskue easily. This is a baby Saskue, weaker than his war arc counterpart
i love hypotheticals like this youve earned my sub im not gonna lie Sasuke truly didnt reach high Kage level till EMS sadly, have you already dont a battle if Sasuke fought Itachi with Mongekyou Sharingan?
You can tell that he is not a power scaler like six and seth.
Also tsunade one taps saskue's susanoo easily i don't know why you think a brand new susanoo is as strong as Fucking Madara's susanoo
Also also you/he does not use actual statements and feats just like " Uhhh saskue broke a random pillar that we don't have any way to scale the durability of but it rock so it strong" you/he makes no sense and this is more of a deathbattle (the youtube channel) type vid.
The only one I probably would push back on is Tsunade. You didn't mention the possibility of her summoning Katsuyu. I think when she realizes she isn't strong enough to punch through the Susano'o, she'd probably summon Katsuyu and try to melt through it. Orochimaru suggested that was a possibility when Tsunade spoke with him, and when Mizukage Mai uses the corrosive gas jutsu, it seemed like it was working on the Susano'o. I don't think she'd win against Sasuke, and she'd certainly lose to Obito. But if she can get through the Susano'o, then her losing is not a foregone conclusion. I would rank her on the same level as Hiruzen, rather than the bottom in this matchup.
Amaterasu was wrecking a tailed beast katsuyu won't get the chance except plot demands
@@elhood4060 meh. Amaterasu is overrated. The greatest fire jutsu with unquenchable flames didn't do a damn thing through the vast majority of the series. Its only function was to show how effective the defenses of others were. Katsuyu would probably just multiply and slough it off, just like Gaara did with his sand, or Naruto did with Kurama's chakra cloak.
Tsunade can definitely break the Skeleton Susanoo - 1 punch in the manga did crack it
@@OkairMcLarenshe destroyed the susanos sword on her own tho
I gotta disagree, Tobirama and Tsunade would take Sasuke down quick, feels like you really undersold Tobirama and Tsunade but overplayed Sasuke.
with hiraishin both tobirama and minato kill sasuke in an instant befor he even knows what happened.
just one direct hit from tsunade and sasuke is dead and his weak susanoo wouldnt last more than a hit either.
He didn't even mentions the summen Tsunade can summen
I agree. Like Tsunade was cracking Madara’s. I think we can give her credit enough to break Sasuke’s inferior skeletal… especially with strength of a hundred. After that she just outlasts him
you have to remember, tobirama is a genius. He knows more about the sharingan and the uchiha than sasuke himself. He fought and killed many uchiha and killed izuna with the mangekyou sharingan. Heck, even obito wouldn't let sasuke fight tobirama. But anyways, at the begining of the fight tobirama should be able to notice that sasuke's MS is starting to weaken (cuz he's a genius), so instead of trying to kill sasuke, his main objective would be to force sasuke to overuse his MS. just to check if sasuke has the susanoo, tobirama sends a water or a shadow clone to attack first. Once it is confirmed that sasuke has the susanoo, tobirama would begin to use various types of water justu in a large amount, frustrating sasuke to use his first ameterasu. Seeing Sasuke's eyes bleed, tobirama would continue his attack on sasuke forcing him to go exit the susanoo and fight tobirama with lightning style. Tobirama's speed and flying raijin would kill sasuke. If not sasuke uses his armoured susanoo which tobirama manages to outlast with his powerful jutsu and huge chakra reserves. after sasuke is done tobirama goes for the kill only to be stopped by obito.
sasuke susano wank is insane. and your downplaying hiruzen very heavily. Hirzen has a clear speed advantage from when he saved naruto in the war. also the fact you consider sasuke breaking a few stone pillars to be a better feat than hiruzen breaking the god tree roots with his staff is almost laughable. hiruzen stomps its not funny
Glad someone realizes the flaws in his videos. Hirzen is significantly stronger than Danzo and sasuke struggled in that fight even with help
Imagine obito says that he is madara and hashirama is there and says: absolutely not. I will deal with you NOW
Each Hokage stomps including Tsunade....
I feel like tsunade could last long enough for sasuke to go blind and then beat him.
Tsunade’s way too slow and lumbering to really threaten Sasuke much. Sasuke has closer matches with faster opponents, and has all the tools to keep her away.
I’m just unsure of the situation where she’s bisected. Plus she could summon lady Katsuya to make sasuke waste a little more chakra. Rather than winning via actually being more powerful she might be able to outlast sasuke until he’s totally blind
@@davandutra-smith8505 exactly, Katsuyu would be immune to Susanoo damage plus her acid would burn through him and she replenishes Tsunade while being a distraction
Tsunade get hit by Amaterasu and continually heals until she eventually dies 😂
9:32 > He wouldn’t be able to power-up in time. Tsuande’s blow would persist after smashing through the Susano’o. Just like the Raikage’s chop did. That’s how momentum works.
I think horizon was taking alot of liberty with Sasukes eye power they grew during the battle due to his hatred but he only had so many attacks before he started going almost blind.
Cool video what you did ,keep it up hope you have a good one
The fight takes place on a bridge. So on top of the water he can create he has a natural source right under him
What you meant to title it is "each hokage against sasuke and his plot armor auto chakra replenishing uzumaki slave"
Kakashi uses Water Fire and Wind.. he has more long range justu than Kamui. He also uses his lightning in medium long range abilities.
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Sasuke got tagged by danzo several times in the fight. It was part of maneuvers to get the upper hand on danzo but he wouldn't have had to resort to that if his speed was significantly higher than danzo's at the time. This makes me feel like their speed is at least in the same class at the moment of the fight.
They all likely murder him with fairly little difficulty lol. At least that’s my first thoughts without taking any time to really figure it
Edit: I did not know what version of the characters and that obito saving his weak butt counts as a win
Pausing the vid: it's your vid, so I respect your choice, but I believe that you could do a quick research and find canon sources describing some of the differents powers Kakashi gained as Hokage. And now, I see you've also forgotten some of the abilities that he had since before the war arc, like the two electricity tigers or the electricity clones. Or the fireball jutsu, or one of the other thousand of jutsus in has in his arsenal. He's also able to use Kamui much more often without being overtired during the war arc. And I don't think there're good indications that he can't use it on a living being during the war. I'm starting to believe that people saying you're downplaying war arc Kakashi might have a point. I'll look out the vid you've made about this. And, at this point, Sasuke's Susano is strong, but not invincible either.
I really think your overestimating Sasuke's Susanno GREATLY
not really it did tanked a liger bomb from the raikage pre garra evolution
@@animejerk05 that just proves how much weaker the Raigkage is to Tsunade. Its just ridiculous to compare Sasuke's Susanno that cant even walk to Madara's Susanno
@@Kingshit69 the raikage cracked madara sasonno rib cage with a chop
How each akatsuki member does against sasuke in deidaras position
Hidan,Zetsu,Sasori & Konan loses…everyone else wins.
This mans not only nerfing all ofbthe hokage but also buffing saukse
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Couldn’t katsutu hypothetically melt sasukes susano
Maybe, but would be hard that Tsunade could trap Sasuke in a situation like that.
Obito when minato fights would be like:
Oh no not again
Danzo didn't put his life on the line for the LEAF LMFAOOOO
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Hey man love your videos and this one was great as well. In a future video do you think you could cover who’s stronger at the end of every major arc they both display power in between Sasuke & Naruto??? Would be super interesting to see the end result
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I think Hashirama Tobirama and Minato are just on a higher level than Sasuke at that particular point. I don’t think Sasuke can kill Tsunade at full power either.
You can’t just say that he could just keep brining up a susono when using susono itself take enormous amount of chakura. Not to mention continuous susono spamming will make sasuke go blind so he’s not just dropping a susono fighting close range then popping another susono. Maybe once but not twice
Dying Itachi on his last legs could re-materialize full Susano'o
@@marko1263 this is true but this is itachi we are talkin about. The uchiha prodigy the one that awakened the mangekeyo sharingan at a young age. The man who killed his whole clan. The only reason sasuke won against him is because he was dying from overusing charka in his eyes aka going blind. Let’s not forget we never see a full susono from itachi in fact his never has legs ever. So to think that sasuke could just drop a perfect susono fight close range then pop another perfect susono 2 or 3 times is crazy. Especially not during that era of his life
@@Buckets32 I mean we literally see Sasuke switch Susano'o on and off multiple times against Kages. He can do the same if it gets destroyed. Also, not talking about Perfect Susano'o here, but lesser versions.
I would like to see a video where characters that are weaker than but are bad matches or have hard counters /win conditions against much stronger opponents
Alot of obvious Kakashi facts were left out of this.
1. Kakashi normally approaches with a clone 1st. Like when he used a clone to beat Itachi, and when he used a lightning clone against Pain, etc. Kakashi would almost certainly use this in his first couple of interactions against Sasuke's susano to figure out a way to fight it.
1. He could use Fang Pursuit jutsu against susano. Gara showed everybody against madara that susano's weak point is at the user's feet. He easily used sand on the ground to grab madara's feet and throw him out of susano. Kakashi could essentially do the same thing using fang pursuit.
Feel like Tobirama’s tandem paper bomb would succeed in breaking some of the susanoo
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How Each member of the Sasuke retrieval squad Fairs against a different sound four member
Hashirama : Is a literal Cheat code
Tobirama : Jutsu creator who didn't use 1% of his creation. but get a 1000% buff against uchiha
Hiruzen : Master of 5 chakra elements and have a monkey king as a summon
Minato : You are already dead before you can blink
Tsunade : Super power and almost unlimited regeneration, and a giant slug as a summon
Kakashi : Copied over a thousand jutsu but just use his raikiri and his dog, oh and a mud wall. but kamui is a convenient cheat tho...
Naruto : Main Protag, you will feel guilty that you turn evil when he talk to you
this sasuke''s susanoo is not gonna be tanking a giant ball rasengan, his susanoo is nowhere near madara's xD
and i can see tsunade easily breaking it
I love your videos. The ideas you be coming up with along with your explanations for your points are very interesting. I do have a question. Who'd win in a battle between Raikage and Tsunade. They are comparable to each other but who's arsenal over comes the other?
Probably raikage cuz tsuna cant touch him cuz he is faster
@@drowning.macaco but let's also consider how Tsunade can heal her body. If she hits him, I can see it hurting him well. Tbh though u right Tsunade didn't want smoke with Ai until Naruto was thought to be in a bind before he speed blitzed Ai
@@tsukiyami7101 i also add when using his top speed sasuke couldnt see ai even with is mangekyou sharingan
@@drowning.macaco so true honestly. Despite all her fears during the Madara fight, Ai can avoid hits way faster, his lightning cloak protects him from damage similar to the susano. And his power is similar to Tsunade.
Though an argument against Ai is that Tsunade pushed Madara better than Ai ever could but that could be a misinterpretation due to Madara playing with the 5 kage
Kakashi was going kamui the ten tails
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Good video idea terrible take
I question the logic of the tsunade fight I dont think it would get any further than a rib cage cause tsunade was able to break a much stronger susanoo (madaras) in two hits (and would have killed the user had he not been dead already with edo) I see no reason why she wouldn't just bust theough a fatigued sasuke using a jutsu he just got that has already been smashed by a physically weaker kage like it was little more than wet rice paper and killing him
Scenario he uses chidori to end it quickly like with Ay finds out that she heals stuff like that with no issues from here 1 of 3 things happens
1 she goes to punch him he uses the ribcage it gets obliterated as he flies about 1000 meters away with likely one less far earlier than intended and he bleeds to death at which point she retreats because she can't hit obito or is kidnapped by him for the same reason
2 sasuke goes all in with amateratsu to burn her she most likely ground and pounds until he dies worse case scenario it's a draw between her and sasuke
3 obito is an active participant in the fight and keeps teleporting sasuke away from her punches which leads to a sasuke victory over tsunade at that time
She also has her Slug summoning
To be honest I don't think anyone other than maybe old hiruzen would lose to that version of Sasuke
imagine summit sasuke vs the paths of pain feel like it would be over for him so quickly.
Nice of you to ignore Naruto and Tsunade's summon which Sasuke has no way of dealing. It will counter Amaterasu by removing the affected area much like Naruto did with kyuubi chakra, susanoo force won't work. Sasuke's Susanoo is overrated af in this video. His susanoo couldn't withstand Ay when Madara's withstood an amped Ay. His susanoo got melted when Madara's didn't.
Yeah this guy isn’t the brightest..,
How each akatsuki member does in tobis position against the konoha ninjas
Good video, but I don't think you should've given Naruto sage mode clones here because Danzo didn't have prep time
Prime Akatsuki + Tobirama VS Final Valley Madara (no 9tails)
Imagine if Tobirama hired the Akatsuki to intercept Madara before his fight with Hashirama, and before he had time to catch the 9tails. Tobirama thinks letting the 1st Hokage fight Madara would put the Leaf at risk as Hashirama would not come out unscathed. To avoid other villages taking advantage of this vulnerability, Tobirama enlists the help of a mercenary group.
- Itachi and Obito were Uchiha members who did not believe in Madara's ideology and volunteers in this expedition.
- Nagato and Konan had their parents killed during the warring states period
couldn’t naruto or minato use gamabunta or gamakichi?
Yes and Tsunade could use Lady Katsuyu
Horizon, why do you keep doing this to tobirama? Did you not read in the manga, Minato saying , " the second is so fast ". Minato said that just after tobirama placed the paper bombs on obito and lauched his attack. Is it so hard to believe. He even marked him with FTG. Madara with sage mode and rinnegan was literally the strongest person there. Its possible he use limbo on tobirama, like he did to sauske and the tailed beast.
The minato hype is crazy LMFAO minato gets bodied here by sasuke and obito
Truth of the matter is that danzo shouldn’t have lost this fight let’s be realistic bro this was plot armor at its finest
Bro why do you think sauske susanoo is anywhere close to madara clone or not. Tsunade would crush sauske susanoo who is a weaker user of the susanoo
Kakashi has said that he would use kamui on Kakuzu and kill him, but later he would have to go to the hospital
Much respect for making the video, but I really don’t think his susanoo in this moment scales to Madara’s
This man really just implied that sasuke’s susanoo ribcage is almost as strong as madara’s full body perfect susanoo… IMO that take invalidated most of the opinions following it for me
You keep comparing characters that have drastically different levels of strength. Madara’s susanoo is not the same as Sasuke’s susanoo. That’s like saying Kid Naruto’s Rasengan would be the same strength as Hokage Naruto’s Rasengan because they’re the same Jutsu. It makes no sense.
He’s just scaling. Do you think madaras rib cage stage is more durable than a full skeleton susano from sasuke? it’s the further evolution of the same jutsu
@@spit-fireI don’t care about the evolutions. I care about the feats each susanoo has shown.
@@spit-fire Yes. That is how the susanoo works. There isn’t a chakra limit for the ribcage so that means he is pouring more chakra than sasuke. One feat to prove this is that kcm1 naruto did either a bijuu bomb or rasen shuriken and madara’s susanoo AURA (aura
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