Gaming at 360Hz! Asus PG259QN Review
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i love watching reviews of high refresh monitors on youtube in 30fps
Me too (:
😂😂😂
Yeah you can tell the difference
I love A-B audiophile comparisons at MP3 quality too
Yeah I really don't know why most of the youtubers are not uploading this in 60 fps 😡
Wow! no ads in this video.
Ikr first time ever
@@kreef1831 Is this a peasent joke i'm too adblock to understand ?
😂😂😂
@@deadmayday6702 no
I got add lol
I appreciate how thorough and clean the review is and how much time is put into production. One of my favorite reviewers
i swear ur cinematics are the best. you can really see the work you put in!
FYI: Overwatch has been updated and supports 400 FPS now.
It always did, you just had to go into the .ini files to change it. Now you can just change it in-game too
Yep, but that's just the default value, you could always make it whatever fps you wanted
@@com3se3m3 nope you cant set it over 400 even in the .ini
Imagine being so rich that you use one of these monitors as just a monitor for when you check discord or something like that
It would not have sense anyway
That sounds like something I would do
Tbh its easier to tell that you are using a 360hz moniter by scrolling down pages of words than gaming
Feel bad because that’s what I use it for
Callux yup
idk how you do it, but your videos are the cleanest out of any PC gaming or hardware channel....everything just looks crisp and professional, and at the same time effortless. kudos!
4:40 Ali is the best, he doesn't talk about 60hz but still puts it on the screen because he knew we would wonder.
Its also a good base value since 60hz is the 'norm' and most people have 60hz monitors
Ah yes, finally I can watch the pause menu at 360fps.
A tech reviewer that don't suck at competitive games he actually exist
I like that someone finally pointed out how having good colors and contrast can be an actual advantage even in esports games
Great review. You're one of the few big CZcamsrs I trust with these monitor reviews.
My monitor: *360Hz*
My skill: *60Hz*
Bruh
😁😁
My monitor 60hz my skills 240hz but my fps 120-16
Rasperryguy have u ever 1v1 on 240 before? No.
@@lon.2130 i did
Thanks for the review. I'm definitely getting one of these!
Bro u could buy me with that money my guy
Trinitron and Diamondtron owners always chuckling when motion clarity is brought up :)
Nice review. 360hz.. with the new cards, that is possible in a few titles but still.. I think this is an awesome step for ASUS and kudos to them for always pushing their competition, even if it seems a little overkill
Was just rewatching your videos because there were no new ones to watch. You just fixed that for me :)
overwatch allows for up to 400 fps now, check in settings :>
Yes, I've been modifying the .ini file for ages to allow for 400fps but with a recent update I don't need to anymore! Wonder if they've also made optimization changes.
@@kronos7678 me too bro and yesterday I got my RTX 3080 and benchmarked RDR 2
WTF! WHY IS THERE A LIMIT???
@@DwAboutItManFr 1. even playing field, i guess
2. game engine limitations
@@bananya6020 has nothing to do with the game engine they cap it for the same reason they cap to 60 in the menus, because higher would be unnecessary and added stress for hardware and power consumption
"faster is always better"
Not in bed tho
If you are alone in the bed then yea
true
But longest ?😬
Yes it is, less time wasted not gaming
Yes in bed.
7:26 Damn your aim so good you just use your mind!
Great video cheers!
Absolutely loved the review. Very honest.
never hopped off bitwit so fast
doesnt take much to hop off bitwit though does it? XD
@@Diolusion still doesn't meand other channels can't speedrun quit bitwit%
Lyle or Uncle Roger
The shot at 0:35 hurt my brain to look at.
Nathaniel Fasolino more impressive seeing 7:28 actually. If he didn’t speed up the video ofcourse lol. I was an Overwatch master tank player. See that insane flicking practices is truly brought my good old memories!!
Charles Li I meant the video shot lol, but also those flicks are insane. Makes my decent Mcree flicks look slow and uncoordinated.
@@CharlesLijt There's a timer at the top so you know it's not sped up.
@@CharlesLijt yeah, like the guy said, it's not sped up.
The game play?
your channel and videos are criminally underrated
I'm going to built my pc soon. I got to join a local esports team for csgo and my 5 year old laptop isnt doing me much frames drop to 15 sometimes 10 while 4 smokes and a couple flashes are thrown. Gonna be a huge thing for me also gonna get a high refresh rate monitor so just watching these reviews great work mate!!
pfft. I'm waiting for 1000Hz. even Overwatch upped their 300 fps cap to 400 in the latest patches. Probably in anticipation for this monitor.
I have a 280 Hz monitor and i will wait for 1000 Hz too to upgrade. I had a 240 Hz One But my mom destroyed It cleaning with wrong detergent...
@@Z3t487 feels bad, man.
Me: this looks good I might get it
Price: let me introduce myself
Overwatch is currently capped at 400 fps and not 300 fps and you could always change that in the configuration file to get more fps (as you could during the time of this video).
Love the video. Happy to see more high refresh rate ips monitors
Excellent review mate. I'm upgrading to RTX 3090 SLI and I'm waiting for the Asus PG32UQX.
7:30 Bro you got mad aim skills
ikr
Lol that a solid meh. Practice for 2 weeks daily and you can do that.
GamezAhoy ok Dwight.
@@loganbrown9845 Ok devon.
ok Dwight and Devon
As a person still using a TN panel, I understand your switch to IPS. I miss having an IPS panel. (:
As always
Professional content 🔥
The stand is awful. That could be nice with an articulated arm.
imagine having 240Hz montior nowadays
Laughs on 60Hz
samsung g7?
If you don't have money to spend, don't even try 144 or 240, you wouldn't be able to go back to 60 😂
I have 144 lel its for jokes
240hz is not worth it because you have to get a high end gpu which can hit 240fps you will have to play on 1080p to hit that and isn’t it stupid to have a high end gpu for 1080p gaming?
It make sense if you are some progamer/streamer and make living out of it, otherwise not...
Its very good to see that you have 350k now! Watched you since 56.000. and yes thats true 👌
I love your reviews man. One suggestion, can you talk about the Silverstone Raven RVZ02, I use that case and it's pretty amazing and has a great price. I have one with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RTX 2080 super Giagabyte Gaming OC (large GPU).
I was ready to throw my wallet at this monitor because I am secretly a refresh rate snob. Thanks for the honest review and I’m glad this review didn’t just put this monitor on a pedestal.
U bought it?
Hey man looking to buy this as well can you do a quick review?
interesting this looks just like my 60hz monitor!
Honest, blind and analytical without forgetting subjective feel. Thank you.
3:24 I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but a few weeks ago, blizzard increased the FPS cap of overwatch up to 400 now.
Cleanest production quality on the Internet. I don’t care what anyone else says
0:48 almost sounds like bababooey
Need more monitor reviews this one was great as I need to upgrade my TN 60hz 1080p monitor
Get a 240
or get asus vg278qr 165Hz 0.5ms for cheap price if you want another TN monitor
Silver Magnum tryin find a best of all worlds but for that price in 2020 is hard
I appreciate the honesty
I feel like you can take a 3 year old high refresh monitor review and insert new refresh rate number and you have the exact same review
The difference is noticeable from 60hz to 144hz but I can't tell the difference between 144-165hz and 240hz - 2018
The difference is noticeable from 144hz to 240hz but I can't tell the difference between 240hz and 360hz - 2020
Here let me predict the future for you
The difference is noticeable from 240hz to 360hz but I can't tell the difference between 360hz and 480hz - 2023
Optimum Tech, hire me. Obviously I am a sage :D
its all pointless anyway, your eyes cant see past 30fps
@@rtorbs the human eye can only see 24fps !!!11!
@@rtorbs Your eyes can only see 8gb of ram!!!
@@rtorbs Our eyes can see thousands of fps (&Hz). They perceive all the visible benefits that come with those huge framerates, not the individual frames, obviously.
All you need to prove that is have high resolution images in motion and to try to track images/objects on-screen with your eyes. You'll immediately notice bluriness, choppyness at current low framerates and would notice how they would start to become clearer, smoother as the fps & Hz increases.
@@edfort5704 but your brain can't process a meme still lol
6:27 Motion blur is kind of overlooked. I'm still not fully convinced that 360hz compared to the top 240 TN's makes up for the slightly greater amount of motion blur. And how can more vibrant colors create the perception of less motion blur?
I'm going to reserve my judgment of 360 Hz until we see a TN version. If pixels aren't reacting fast enough, there is little way to tell if the very limited to non-existent improvements of this specific monitor are inherent to all 360 Hz monitors.
@TacoMeat FijiWater there's plenty of room left to increase refresh rates (and framerates) to where you no longer perceive artificial motion blur caused by insuficient fps&Hz.
At 1080p res, we can eye-track objects moving at speeds up to around 6000pixels/second on-screen. We need 6000fps&Hz for those objects and images to stay crystal clear and smooth in motion.
Only beyond that threshold does higher fps&Hz not make anymore sense from a motion-blur-removal-for-the-naked-eye standpoint. Although there may still be other benefits left beyond that (responsiveness/snappyness).
And, if you want to experience higher resolutions, the requirements get worse: they double as you double the resolution linearly (FHD 1080p to UHD 2160p).
We're very very far from achieving stellar quality motion images in digital content and displays.
I have 280hz ips from asus and motion blur way horible then zowie one
7:16 the reason being is that your screen uses stroboscopic backlight in the ULMB mode, which means that on average your screen is completely black, and it's being lit up just to show the changes on your screen (ex. try pointing your camera at your screen while at the low motion blur mode). ULMB mode on G-sync would be very hard to implement, as your backlight would have to be constantly synced to your content refresh rate (in short, technological limitations).
What's ULMB?
@@dibumartinez4190 "Ultra Low Motion Blur", ASUS' name for motion blur reduction.
@@AVINIDE tnx,do u have any tips or vids/channels that talk bout optimizing this ?
Just pre-ordered this thing! I'm excited, it will be a nice upgrade from my current 165hz monitor.
Where did u preorder it at??
@@Teh_Artic www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1595241-REG/asus_pg259qn_24_fhd_fast_ips_360hz.html
@@jonathangibson5368 tyvm! I'm hkling the motion blur is completely fine at 360hz
3:29 I can't speak for valorant as I play csgo mainly, but even with my very low-end pc (gtx 1050) I can consistently get 110fps or above, granted I play on stretched with pretty low settings, but with a very high-end pc, you can get upwards of 500 fps
Nope only in a few scenarios even in csgo in actual gameplay fps can drop below 300
were talking native res here buddy
@@meknowu1 Useless to play csgo in high settings tho
@@japookie no one is buying a 360hz monitor for csgo and cares about image quality over performance
@@jeevan9966 native res is the bare minimum in image quality ..........and dont speak for everyone
Honestly, I can’t tell any difference from watching this... on my 60Hz monitor.
Every 60hz have a shot to greatness with a little bit of overclock, at least try 75Hz, it is safe, as long as it is not CRT and you don't do crazy hardware mod.
Then get a 360hz monitor... duh
The human eye can only see up to a $200 monitor
And this is a 30fps video (at least that’s all I see)
Cotillion ur stupid
Nothings more satisfying than watching this video on a 60hz screen with 240p video quality.
You can set the fps to 400 in overwatch by going to documents/settings/settings_v0/ then change the frame rate cap from 300 to 400.
Optimun tech, Do you mind to review asus rog z11 case?
Bro its like 2 30 here in nz and i was just about to sleep Y U DO DIS
3:26 just a quick fyi the in game fps is limited to 300 in overwatch but you can edit it to 400 with an ini file.
I feel like you would notice a massive difference doing quick turns. I felt so dizzy on 60hz and now less dizzy on 144hz....
Geometry Dash Players: *pulls out gaypal card*
So I have a question, Gamers Nexus did a video showing that the input latency is about 15ms anyway, what is the benefit of 360fps compared to let's say 144hz in that case?
Was gamers nexus talking about overall input latency?
@@irishpotato8816 yes
In the latest patch, Overwatch framerate cap was raised from 300 to 400.
Finally I am early. What is the Lights you use in the back ground!?
Diminishing Returns: the monitor.
lol
We can clearly see visual improvements and perceive practical benefits of high fps & Hz well into the thousands of fps & Hz.
Diminishing returns are a myth in the display arena. These are actually a false perception because display refresh rates haven't increased in big enough jumps.
You'd be able to see a night and day difference between 3000Hz and 240Hz, whereas 240Hz > 360Hz is more subtle.
We're far from achieving human-perceptible limits in content framerates (FPS) and diplay refresh rates (Hz).
Even at 1080p res, the limits are around 6000 fps & Hz.
And the more you increase resolution, there higher the limits get (double res (linearly), double the limits of perception)
@@edfort5704
First of all, if you're basing everything on specs from a monitor, you're going about it *all* _wrong._ You can't make an argument about what the human eye can do if you're talking about what the monitor can do.
Highly trained Air Force pilots and other visually "advanced" people have the cognitive ability to see, perceive, and decipher images at a rate of up-to 12 per second. That, and only that, is what matters in this discussion. If you had a monitor, game, and system that could handle putting out 2000 fps at 1600hz, you're STILL only going to see what the limitations of your eyes are.
Think of your eyes like what they effectively are, a camera. Shake your hand in front of your eyes _really_ fast. Does your hand ever _NOT_ blur? *No,* because your perception of the solid object moving at that speed is hindered by your eyes' ability to translate the data to your brain as a static image (which would give it a solid, non-blurry appearance, even at such speeds). If you used a better camera than your eyes are (like a stop-motion/slo-mo camera), your brain could then interpret the data in such a manner that _maybe_ some of what you said could hold up. *It doesn't.*
The very *reason* why diminishing returns happen is because our eyes understand only a limited amount of data; data that's _exponentially_ increased by increasing speeds. A very easy analogy for this (and how it relates to hz/fps) is by converting it to a metric you're (hopefully) more inclined to understand: m/hr. If you're sitting still on the side of a highway watching cars pass, it'd be easy to decipher the difference between cars traveling by at speeds of 30, 60, 90, and possibly 120 mph. But if you're facing forward the whole time and only had the perceptible view of straight ahead of you as the cars went by, there'd be a point where you wouldn't be able to decipher the difference between a car going by you at 150 mph and one going by at 210 mph, without having other variables come into play like sound and wind speeds. Monitors don't give off those variables, so you're dependent on the only constants you have; speed and your eyes' ability to perceive it. You're *always* going to get that blurring effect because that's all your eyes are able to understand at those speeds by itself. So yes, diminishing returns *exist.* The _SAME_ way people can tell the discernible difference between cars traveling by at 60mph and 90mph respectively translates to hz, which is *why* people have an easier time deciphering any discernible difference between 60 and 120 hz than they do at speeds above it; the difference between your eyes' ability to tell the difference is *smaller.*
If it _must_ be translated to "hz" for you to wrap your head around this concept, the human eye is limited (baring any technological improvements to it) to somewhere between 220 and 260hz, which (again) would require training to get _that_ high. So any monitor coming to market with claims of _beyond that_ are *pointless* other to milk morons like yourself for more money.
@@RAW_Reality You've written a wall of non-sense and stuff that doesn't remotely support anything you may be trying to prove.
High content framerates and display refresh rates are all about making motion images clear, smooth, snappy and responsive. It's not about crossing some threshold beyond which we no longer detect individual frames.
The fps & Hz maximum limit at which our own eyes can clearly perceive visual benefits is dictated by what are the fastest moving objects or images on-screen that we can track with our eyes.
Even at 1080p resolution, we can eye-track objects moving across a display at speeds of up to around 6000 pixels/second. You can easily test that by moving a window of text of any image or object at such speeds across the screen and tracking it with your eyes. You'll see on today's displays how easily they start to blur and smear and become undiscernible.
Here's an easy way to test this at various speeds: www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=toronto-map.png&pps=960&pursuit=0&height=0
For those objects or images moving at such speeds (6000 pixels/sec) to stay crystal clear, smooth and responsive in motion, we need 6000fps content displayed on 6000Hz screens.
At 4K resolution, we need double those numbers, as the number of pixels doubles in each direction.
If we had today displays refreshing at 5000 Hz and PC's running games at 5000fps on them, you would be mind-blown at the difference from current tech: insanely clearer images in motion, smoother, super-responsive and snappy.
And you'd be able to clearly tell the difference vs. 1000fps&Hz and even easier vs 360fps&Hz. It would be night-and-day in comparison.
@@edfort5704 Everything that you said is completely based on YOUR EYES. If THEY don't understand "1000 fps/hz", then IT DOESN'T MATTER what your monitor does.
Hz, FPS, and Pixels/sec are NOT the same thing, so you referring to them as if they're inherently "all that needs to be taken in account for" blatantly shows your ignorance on the topic.
Simply put, anything beyond the eyes' ability to perceive what information it's given (REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE WHERE IT COMES FROM) does NOT "matter".
"Bois we need a monitor name"
"Here you go : smashes keyboard twice"
I feel like you are the only person out of all ther reviews that seem to notice that IPS clarity is advantage itself over TN panel. It is one of the first thing I noticed when my brother bought the Alienware 240hz FastIPS monitor and the clarity alone helps so much easier to track people even if you get a bit more smearing than TN panel which will be hard to notice in gameplay.
I mainly wanted to get Zowie XL2546K but its $700 here and the Alienware 360hz Black friday sale drop it down to $720 which also lower it down more than ASUS 360hz which is at $950 (Canada) and finally Samsung G7 at $700 for Black Friday
So yeah order myself the Alienware 360hz. From another review, it appear that it ULMB doesn't darken the screen so it basically on par with Zowie Dyac+
At my current picking, The Alienware 360hz seem the best overall esport monitor, IPS, HDR, 360hz, 240hz ULMB, Nvidia Reflex Analyzer. It seem the 4 new 360hz monitor will be all similar to each other
"Faster is always better" gooood good.
He protec, he attac, but most importantly he is also THICC
😂😂😂
So I have a 144hz ips 1080p I feel like I should buy this...
One day.
Getting a 360hz when you have a 144hz honestly sounds like a waste of money unless you're competing in teams
4k 144hz
You should invest in a colorimeter and do a before and after calibration for srgb and Adobe rgb color accuracy as well.
Would you consider getting VLP RAM to do a video about the 120mm fan setup with the alpenfohn blackridge? As I understand it, you can overclock VLP RAM to reasonable speeds for Ryzen CPUs, and get a much quieter experience than the black ridge with the 92mm noctua fan, but I would love a sort of tutorial video for this specific setup for those like myself who don't want to take risks when buying components.
I'm wondering if my 40 something eyes even notice 360 hz. I have a 144hz monitor and I can barely notice a difference from 75 hz
Being old sucks.
It's the brain who can't follow, eyes don't have too much problem targeting fast speed object with aging, the brain lose responsive reaction so yes 360hz would not be the best choice to the gamer grandpa at 80 :D
I'm 35 and I can feel slow downs from 144 to 120 fps because input changes. If you play with a pad that filters a lot, like A LOT, of that good speed. What I can distinguish with my eyes is jumps from 144 to 100 and from 100 I can tell 80 and 70 fps. On 60 fps I feel like watching the slowest thing ever. I don't wven bother playing at fixed 60 fps or worse 30. If I can't hack my way at least to 72 I'm not even keeping the game installed.
Eye sensitivity changes from person to person and from activity to activity. If you are too relaxed you won't see high frame rates. If you are more active, like really excited, you will perceive more and react quicker. Like you can't process how you reacted to an input so quickly that you realized after.
either this guy or linus did a test. you dont notice the difference with your eyes but its easier to hit targets
40 something is not even that old man, come on...
40 isn't old lol. So what is 55? 70? You need to rethink that shit
The price gonna be the same as 10th gen i9
Says a lot about intel
Can you make another video comparing it with BenQ XL2546K? Great review anyway.
Can't wait for the 480hz monitors :)
I can definitely tell the difference between 240 Hz and 360 Hz 69/69 times: the price.
The similarity between them is: I can't buy either of them
lol troll
Well OF COURSE you can't tell in games in like Valorant and CSGO. Those games are slow af. Play Apex and I bet you can tell the difference 15/15 of the time
kinda get your point but he also played overwatch which also has a relatively fast pace
@@slickzMdzn I would be cool with it if he didnt mention that, at time of recording, was capped
You should check out the Asus VG259QM monitor. It's 280hz and IPS for 240hz TN price.
Please review the Benq 240hz monitor. Not the latest of monitors but definitely still packs a punch in gaming.
Most of the pro csgo players still use it.
If only we had OLED 360 hz monitors, would obliterate LCD trash in response times.
first liike your videos
I use Aw2518HF and the TN doesn't bother me really. But it is less immersive when it comes to story based games I play on my Sony 4k TV for that.
Is that really you playing at 7:30? If so god damn dude, that's some skill.
OSU laughs at unlimited fps rate...
It would be fun to see if pro OSU player would see difference or not between this and 240hz
what....? most games have unlimited fps but the monitor cant show more than what its hz is.
@@arcane_7 in osu you can reach 360fps all the time and over 999fps if you set unlimited. So good way to see for top pro players if it helps them or not over a regular 240hz
360Hz is just placebo effect.
go watch the video from linus tech tipps please he explains pretty well that performance increases with higher hz even if you "cant tell the difference" from 240 to 360
it depends what games you play.. if you play ovewatch or doom where you are flicking 180 degrees rapidly thats when it really makes a difference
ouf, look at those guns.
you should share your workout routine :>
0:13 that monitor is soo good that the game plays itself
We would like to see a Q&A video! :)
Nothing can beat Acer XF252Q in price to performance, 240hz w/ backlight strobing while having the lowest input lag and best motion clarity.
Aren't effectively visible refresh rates capped by the panel's response time? As in if the pixels don't respond fast enough you're not getting a true 360Hz visible output. From what I gather, IPS panels have historically had problems actually displaying 240Hz outputs due to response times in the past and have only recently reached there. I have a hard time imagining this monitor suddenly making such a leap in IPS response time that 360Hz is truly displayed in practice? Maybe I've misunderstood something.
the delta of miliseconds between 144hz and 240hz is the same as 240hz and 360hz if you can clearly see the difference between 144 and 240 then you can see it in 360 the reason he had issue recognizing it reliable is the sluggishness of the IPS panel which even linus pointed out in his review. Wait for the .5ms Tn 2.0 panels version of these 360hz panels they have better color accuracy than old TN and its IPS quality color with 90%(or better) DCI-P3 color coverage
and i still watching your channel via 75hz monitor
Great video thank you very much 🌹
low key wanted to get this to pair with the 3080 I ordered but then I saw the price of it. it’s 1500 dollars for me which is abit out of budget to say the least lol but the Samsung G7 seems like a good upgrade if I were to upgrade (currently using a Asus ROG PG258Q which is a 240HZ TN.
Hi, I love what you do, it helps me a lot! What do you recommend between a BenQ XL2546K and an Asus PG259QN (only for playing FPS like CS GO/Valorant). Cheers!
The difference between 240 and 360 hertz isn't that much of noticeable also the xl2546k comes with dyac technology and it's brilliant even tho the asus one is good it doesn't justifies its price atleast imo
FYI, I believe Overwatch now supports up to 400hz in the latest patch.
Hi Optimum, please can you check the built in display scaler, does it display scale at 1280 x 1024 without having to apply a custom resolution through CRU utility. Much appreciated 🙏
3:40 10/15 correct guesses is pretty good, considering how slow paced CSGO is. If you were playing a fast paced shooter you would've noticed the difference more easily.
High refresh rate monitors in first place are made to keep your eyes healthier, more frames make less damage to eyes when you are working, or gaming for a very long time.. Its not just about gaming. lol
What about the difference between 144hz and 360hz? I feel like the difference between 240hz and 360hz would be at least a bit more apparent with a TN-panel.
I literally just bought and received my Alienware 240hz and then 360hz standard came out haha. At least I am fortunate to own a e sports monitor
I personally think companies need to chill out a little bit with increasing small 1080p panels they should focus on high refresh rate color accurate panels at 1440p and above. And hopefully ultrawides will get some love because I am still waiting for a 200hz 3440x1440p ultra wide from Alienware
Honestly for me it is impossible to discern 240Hz from 144Hz if you just look at input lag. Motion clarity is what is most important to me and I'd rather have good overdrive than "1ms" less pixel lag.
I love the new stand