FREAK RESULT OR SOMETHING MORE? | Liverpool 0-3 Atalanta
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FREAK RESULT OR SOMETHING MORE? | Liverpool 0-3 Atalanta
Dan and Leah where in the studio after Liverpool where pulled apart by Atalanta at Anfield in the Europa League.
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I have been a supporter for 50 years, and I have learned to accept a loss,what I can never accept not trying, tonight was one of the worst performances since Hodgson was incharge.
Is Liverpool's fitness team now more concerned about their future than focusing on the team? The stamina and readiness of players seem abysmal.
Liverpool thought they’d just show up and roll them over … Wrong !
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This is why, a new manager is needed, a new mindset, fresh ideas
Agreed
Be patient, he's leaving anyway...
Has Jurgen (and the team) checked out??
lmao first home defeat in 33 games and joint top of the league = 'we need a new manager'.
@gomey70 these performances have been happening for the last 2 years. 9 years of the same game play, can become stale, too many soft tissue injuries with the way we play
Need Gini & Origi back for the 2nd leg 😂
Is Liverpool's fitness team now more concerned about their future than focusing on the team? The stamina and readiness of players seem abysmal.
I've never seen our players just passing the ball to players who were heavily marked with no support, as if to say I don't want the ball.
The team played with an undeserved arrogance. Not just tonight, but over the last few games. Wins must be earned, they aren't just handed out.
It's the last few years mate. Look at Villareal in 2022, the way we went about it was appalling and inexcusable
Obviously something more to it. My problem with this squad for the longest time is that they need to be cajoled by Klopp into putting in 100%, and even then they'll still concede clumsy opening goals in the first half
The standard at City is perfection. Our standard is to do no more than what's required, and our performances over a sustained period of time back that up. We are far too rough around the edges. It's very rare to catch City sleepwalking through games the way we're quite routinely capable of.
Citeh are facing 115 FFP charges. They’ve bought their success. Their standard of “perfection” is throwing money at problems. I hope they get relegated and stripped of their trophies. They are unworthy of any comparison with Klopp.
@@MikeL-7There's still a skill involved in converting lots of money to success on the pitch. Man Utd and Chelsea are examples of how not to spend lots of money
@@MikeyJMJIt’s not much of a skill. When Laporte got injured in 2019 Pep gave up on the PL as if it was beneath him to compete without a 90 million centre back. Klopp always found a way. That’s the difference.
@@MikeL-7 who gives a flying f*** about their charges, it's up to ourselves to be better and we're not. Despite their cheating we've fumbled numerous opportunities to win more major trophies. Things went downhill as soon as Pep Ljinders stamped his inept authority onto the team. The team that dominated between 2019 and 2020 was the closest we had to Klopp's image. Buvac was gone and Ljinders had only just checked in. Ever since 2020 we've relied on silly auxillary tactics and been a much structurally weaker team.
What about Arsenal? Are they cheating too? They look rock solid and a lot better coached than we currently are.
We sleep walked through last season , it's the Klopp way , under achieving,throwing away tournaments and gassing up mediocrity ...Klopp is a serial bottler and it's out there for the world to see . Can't defend , can't keep the ball and can't finish , what can we do well ? Bottle and wish
Klopp underestimated them with those changes
How many times had Klopp got his ass handed to him by an Italian coach , this huff and puff stuff doesn't work against smart teams , well drilled and have a style of play that puts him to shame
I’m sorry the performance by the fans weren’t great as well. We went out there like it was group stage game.
Danns should be playing and Liverpool in Summer need to get two solid defenders and a strong defensive midfielder.
I'd start with Inacio, but TBH I can't see us doing more business than that right away.
I’ve been saying the same thing! Ever since he got concussed at Forest we’ve not seen him. If he’d played in both Man Utd games and last night he’d have scored in all those games.
How the hell do we have no midfielders apart from Macca and Endo?? Why was Elliot brought off when he should have been in the midfield 3 when Salah came on? He along with Gakpo were the only 2 that were trying in the first half, even though they had no end product.
Completely agree. Klopp even said Jones admitted he was gassed after half an hour, that they were surprised, obviously wasn't match fit. Should have therefore moved Elliott back to midfield and earlier.
This wasn't a freak result. This has been coming. We struggled to beat 20th placed Sheffield UTD the other day, drew to a sh*t UTD side twice this season. WE ARE FINISHED.
I’ve had a problem with the high defensive line for a while now ,we concede too many chances which is made to look worse when your forwards couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.should of started with a stronger line up then rested players later on. Credit to them they outplayed us from start to finish.
Your face walking across West Derby rd as I was driving a friend home told me all I needed to know unfortunately. When I turned the radio on it was no surprise. There was something freakish about this tonight. We struggled in winning balls even though some good patches of play. This doesnt help. Hopefully we get a fresh understanding of what the run in is going to take.
Honestly, Amorim will be refreshing if we get him. New style and system, and hopefully he bring Gokyeres with him
Some certain Liverpool content creators had already made flights/booked hotels in Dublin. Also Dublin (with its massive Irish contingent) had foolishly announced a "fan zone" at Croke Park, I'm sure the Scouse street busker Jamie Webster was already lined up with his anthemic diddy nonsense..
It's this type of hubris that makes as a Liverpool fan put my head in my hands out of embarassment.
Truly humbled and deserving of everything we are getting.
Personally our fanbase need to stop hyping and projecting our team.
Well done Atalanta.
It's the motivation that was the problem for me.Strolling into a Quarter Final..come on Reds... Atalanta have ALWAYS been a a very well drilled team... really frustrating 🤬
Not having Jota available is a far bigger loss than I'd imagined. He's our most clinical forward and that's our biggest issue up front at the moment.
I love Diaz and Nunez but they are not clinical enough at the moment. The more that goes on I feel the great the frustration of it happens. It adds unwanted pressure to score.
This result had been coming for a while but the timing of it doesn't help either. A big result is needed against Palace at the weekend. Really need Jota back too.
I said when Jota was injured that the season is looking to be over. A low IQ guy slated me in the chat by claiming that we are top of the league and in all comps without realizing what I was talking about. People really do not understand truly the value of goalscoring even though that's what the game is about. Many want to feel intellectual by going in favour of dribblers and registas against so called stat merchants. But they don't realize Diaz is not a regista like Pirlo nor a dribbler like Messi. And it's not that players like Jota do not work hard and have other elements.
And I am not saying that Jota is fool proof solution. He needs other clinical teammates with better final third decision making but even Salah is falling short there. I think Nunez is better than Diaz and can be utilized on the left wing more rather than centre as he is not a finisher. This is another thing which I said earlier. Also, other clinical teammates help because Jota anyways would have off days and even more likely now since he came back from injury.
Definitely if he gets the chances Nunez gets 75% would be converted. He would have definitely side stepped the goal keeper in 1v1 Vs Atalanta
This season was a pretty successful midfield refresh. Next season HAVE to be an attack refresh.
Diaz and Nunez cannot be relied upon to finish chances. They cannot even score one v ones consistently.
Salah can finish but his legs appear to be gone.
Jota can finish but he is unavailable for half a season.
Gakpo has some ups and downs he sometimes starts very well and was a time he was very poor and admitted himself l see him like Minamino type of player in Liverpool no disrespect good in cup games
This means that all of them are potentially substitute quality, and new blood that are starters have to come in, just like how we got in the new midfielders. It's going to be harder since attackers are pricier, but hopefully we get at least one value for money gem, much like Macca was.
I saw an interview last year with Curtis Jones and he was complaining about his lack of game time. Unbelievable, he is so overrated. One good game followed by 3 bad ones followed by injury. Rinse and repeat.Curtis Oxlade Chamberlain.
Something more, the team lacked cutting edge no effort and no energy embarrassing performance and we're in the end game now every decision they make matters drop 1 more point in the league its over .
The team has been off the boil for a while now, but getting away with it results wise. Until the Man Utd FA Cup defeat. Since then, the team has gotten even worse. This has been coming!!
My other problem for the longest time is that our core tactics and structures have kind of sucked since 2020. We've relied on auxillary tactics like highline offside traps, Trent at inverted RB, and now second half substitutions, to get us through games.
Our game has gone tactically downhill ever since Ljinder's authority grew on the team. When we won the UCL and PL, Klopp had a lot more footprint on the way we played.
We don't have a strong core defensive structure, we don't seize control of games, and we don't have reliable forwards outside Mo and Jota. We sleepwalk many games and think we can just stumble over the finish line because we're Liverpool and we can.
We aren't winning the EL and we probably aren't going to win the PL if we are being frank with ourselves, because we just aren't them right now.
Buvac said in 2020 that "By and large for all these 18 years [with Klopp] I felt myself in charge" (Source: This Is Anfield).
Our CL games in our first CL campaign against Man City both legs, and Roma first leg when we went 5-0 up showed really elite tactical understanding. The second leg against Roma, Buvac had left the club. Buvac as we know was considered "the brain" and krawietz "the eye"
For me today's result is a combination of tactics but also fatigue. Pep Ljinders was not as good tactically as Buvac, I agree as a team we weren't as good tactically since 2020
@@undergradtutors9662 agree mate, we've sorely lacked his tactical nous. We've been getting through certain moments through the skin of our teeth, I.e. Alisson Becker
Also, remember we relied a lot on Edwards signings. Klopps and Ljinders playing a major role now in incomings has got us Nunez-Gakpo-Gravenberch-Szboszlai. Talent but little end product.
@@tony1kenobi468 I'm very interested to see what Liverpool will look like with Amorim. Is there a manager out there who does everything alone? Like will Amorim need a good assistant?
@@nichobee Good point, and it's those players we got in building on the base Buvac created in 17/18, which took us to another level even without him so yeah when it comes to it when things aren't good we lack that tactical nous, which you need to not only win against the best but manage a high volume of matches where you have mental fatigue and physical. Thoughts on Amorim? I'm very interested to see what Liverpool will look like with Amorim. Is there a manager out there who does everything alone? Like will Amorim need a good assistant? I'm not a fan of the 343 it doesn't fit our squad
@redmen you do over estimate our team. A lot in my opinion. We are not that great a team, and there are a lot of average players who have actually been playing quite well this season. Hence our position in the table. But, we have not been all that convincing all season long. No shame in that. We are in rebuild technically still. I don’t think we win the league, and I suspect we are going out next Thursday barring a miracle in Italy. It’s not vintage LFC, and momentum has swung in reverse for us at the wrong possible time one feels.
Those of us who still remember the awful Cup Winners Cup performances in the 90’s and bear the scars will have seen last nights performance and been in fear of the mediocrity minster rearing it’s ugly head. It feels like we’ve started to unravel in the last 2 games. Horrendous performance.
Ball progression without trent - bad. Over reliant on macca to do so. Finishing- bad. Klopp made too many changes in 1 go and we lost coordination. Could not react to a man marking system- lost most 1v1s. Did not know how to problem solve on the pitch - movement to drag their markers out of position and play into space with 3rd man runs or bounce passes.
It's been coming, let's hope it gets everyone up for the final games. Stadium seemed a little quiet
I think fatigue between these matches every 3 days shouldn't be underestimated, before the international break from 25 Feb to 17 March we had 7 games, Arsenal had 4, City had 5.
For me today's result is a combination of tactics but also fatigue. Liverpool have not been as good tactically since Buvac left in 2018
Interestingly in 2020 Buvac said that "By and large for all these 18 years [with Klopp] I felt myself in charge" (Source: This Is Anfield).
I also think it's relevant to mention the 3-0 result is an important reality because something is wrong and there's a reason for it, accepting it is important
Today with a better football mind in the tactics department things wouldn't have resulted in 3-0 and the fatigue of players between matches this season would be better managed
Back in 17/18 in our first CL campaign against Man City both legs, and Roma first leg when we went 5-0 up it showed unreal elite tactical understanding. But before the second leg against Roma, Buvac had left the club, and that didn't go well.
Buvac as we know was considered "the brain" and krawietz "the eye"
Ljinders' football with Klopp can take a lot out of the players as a PL top 4 side involved in all competitions
Buvac left in 17/18 not 18/19. We then went on to win the Ucl in 18/19 and come second with 97 pts, then won the league in 19/20 with 99 pts. In 20/21 we shouldve won it again barring injuries to all the cbs.
Yes that Buvac training had players structured and pressing like demons , made games fun to watch ....Lindjers is a pack pass , sideways pass , long ball and cross spamming manager , glad they are all leaving , we are a very poorly managed team with overrated manager and players ...These past 5 games have been terrible and all have the same symptoms , zero urgency and pure vibes
@@musayibghani3986 Buvac built the foundation for Pep Ljinders, Kriawetz, LFC, to go and continue working with. Getting in better players with that base then improved us. If he had stayed things could have been better but it was Jurgen Klopp's judgement call with what to do with his tactical department in Buvac and Ljinders, and what the problems were there
To win something you need to fight 100 % no disaer no adrenalin fighting spirit.
We are not coming back from three. Nothing down and winning away no way that’s not happening. They’re just gonna have to concentrate on the Premier league at this point. Totally blew their chances to win a trophy here. Just like they totally blew a chance to win the FA cup. Tossing games away, it’s just unbelievable at this point
I would never write Liverpool off but the difference to abaca was that we played better in the first half and Messi just had an insane game, but we were better in both halves. This team does not look like they can score or defend. I have zero hopes that we can do something and we will probably concede another one cus we can't keep a clean sheet.
Klopp say goodbye to Europa league 😭😭😭
Or we are simply not as good as what people try to say we are.
Maybe all the injuries have caught up with them - ironically some of the injured players are now back
Kinda glad change is coming. The last Month something has stank around the place.
We usually get away with similar performances just not tonight
Another passive performance. We've been like this all season. Even when we've won we haven't done it with conviction. Our first touch ive noticed is horrible. And our passes are dire. Too far in front if player, too far behind. And so we can never build up any momentum.
Something more. We were poor all over tonight but the finishing has been a problem all season. It’s cost us the league, Europa, fa cup.
we underrated atalanta
The warning signs were there in the Sheffield United match.
Bet there’ll be flags and an atmosphere for Atalanta next week 😑
Yes, felt like the fans were pretty quiet most of the time. So frustrating when you are sat at home, screaming at the TV 😊
I dunno what's going on with this team in the last few weeks, they literally cannot even successfully pass the ball the majority of the time. We always do this. We power though 90% of the season and then we run out of speed and bottle it. Even in the year the league was won they went on to lose nearly every single game from March onwards
'quite frankly' this has been on the cards since Liverpool where dumped out of the FA cup they need players who can go a season without getting injured someone needs to look at the medical staff as klopp said if I play the same side for more than two matches they will go nuts so how are we supposed to get consistency
Something more. We’ve been pretty lucky as we deserve to have conceded more than 50 goals in the prem. From the misplaced passes, the unforced errors and the plodding, pedestrian rubbish that has been a feature of too many performances, we’ve been due a good hiding for a while.
Diaz and Nunez cannot be relied upon to finish chances - we need Jota to start on Sunday
This was that kind of performance from a team, where there's been trouble in camp, for me, there's no alternative explanation. Not one of them performed, even the substitutions
Well let Atlanta stew on this result all week and hopefully we get an early goal in italy and some momentem and see how they handle the pressure,we have overcome bigger obstacles,just support the lads and it is what it is
If we don't get a 4-0 win in Italy as retaliation ill be disappointed
Need some new attacking mates for Jota. he's the only one I'd keep going into next season if I were king for a day. Need a new Left Footed CB/LB like Inacio and also probably one more CB as well.
A result like this has been coming for a while. They haven’t been clinical enough in front of Goal, and they have been letting teams exploit the counter attacks on them too much. Klopp needs to get on them immediately and demand better concentration in games.
We’ve been poor for weeks but have managed to pull results out of the bag. Definitely out of Europe.
I say give Atalanta credit. Yes, we were poor and made some dreadful errors that led to goals but they played a damn near perfect game and got a dream result. Fair play to them.
It's Atalanta they're 6th in their league. There are zero excuses for them turning up and doing that to us.
Atalanta were decent but they didn’t play well enough to be able to beat any of our teams 3-0 at home, which is just embarrassing
Oh please. We're just supposed to crumble because an average Italian team turned up...
This fanbase's capacity for excuses and deflections is comical
Not to call you guys out, but... this result shows the complacency bordering on arrogance shown by some fans prior to, not only this game, but also the recent Shef U and Man U games. We're not "smashing" anyone with an attack firing blanks and a leaky defence. We need the 1st team (returning players and fit ones) to start hitting form ASAP. Otherwise we'll be out of the race before the Spurs game. The best we can hope for in Italy is to win by a goal. I can't see this Atalanta losing by 3 goals at home against this LFC team. As such I would bin that game off and do everything we can to get players match fit for the Prem.
The Kop protest hexed the team. Stick to supporting it's as easy as that.
I'd say definitely some thing more...but I have no idea what it is...we went from battering City to being humiliated by Atalanta in just a month...I have no idea what the f#ck is going on.
It's on Klopp, this happens when you underestimate Atalanta, starting with a weaker side because it's just Atalanta
I think its wrong to say noone was bothered because robbo was trying to get us going. Unfortunately Darwin cant finish consistently and when he got taken off we literally had noone in the penalty area until Jota came on. Thats on klopp
Been getting away with it for months now this result was coming
Missing leadership. Virgil switches off with alarming frequency. Strikers missing sitters again.
I just hope Klopp doesn't screw up the small chance that we could win the league by foolishly thinking we can overturn this. For example our best player Macca was out on his feet at the end. Please focus on the league.
We will win sunday yes ?? Ynwa
I'll take a flukey 95th min winner off someone's arse so we can buy ourselves enough time for Trent, Jota, Ali and co to get up to speed for the remaining games. Fulham, the Ev and West Ham away are looking like tough games now...
@@leolovetoparty true yeah man and the villa game We need goals though
Not so sure anymore....but keep hoping
Itd not a freak. I can't remember the last time we played well. Yes we kept winning, but we have not looked like a convincing team for months. How we were playing was never sustainable. We are equal to Arsenal and City in points, but in many aspects of play we are distinctly inferior.
Not a freak result.We are struggling to put the ball in the net.
Can't have your star striker miss golden chances every game and win trophies, Darwin has officially crossed the line with his lack of finishing for me. 1v1 with keeper and the dink not even close, to think "that's alright he'll get another chance" is unacceptable at this level and at this stage of these competitions. Not all Darwin at all, but that fact can't be skimmed over anymore
Is Gini, Origi and shaq available for the second leg😂😂
This team needs fresh ideas. I know klopp leaving is hard but its time to start fresh.
Who wrote the description? It should be: " Dan and Leah were in the studio after Liverpool were pulled apart..." I'll let you off because you are probably shell shocked (we all are), but really there is no excuse for poor spelling and grammar. 😉
Wasn't a freak result, we haven't beaten a strong team in the league this year
Honestly think we are not as good as we think we are
there is nothing to learn here, They just lost confidence from the man united match.
Klopp tried to learn from the man united match, but there was nothing to learn from that man united match, nothing,
it's got to his head. and the team as well.
New manager been needed for a while and it isnt knee jerk
We had players been crap before and at no point did we ever feel that they would be moved on cos they are klopps boys and a quick hug and its all forgotten
We need a mqnagement team in here that will hold players accountable, and if it's not happening, they are moved out and replaced
End of season and new manager cant come soon enough ..quite exciting really
Everyone blaming Klopp, but these players don’t want to play in this competition…
Reality check.
The teams been scraping results all season long. We don’t dominate the way we used to in 18-20
no freak result teams been coming close to doing that to us all season from brentford , sheffild united, all da europa games the other teams were just not clinical. we been riding our luck 4 long we just got exposed that all. you cant keep getting opened up so easily not keeping clean sheets and not converting chances and think you will be succsessful. we are watching insanity and klop has to hold share of the blame. no coincendence we start slow every game and have to come back hard in the second half.
Is it just coincidence that we’ve lost games where there is man to man marking - I’m thinking arsenal in the league and Atalanta just to name 2
We are goong to ge lrft with tiny trophy. Very sad
We have no idea against a man marking side, and low block. Klopp struggles against this type game style,
The players look sad and resigned to Jurgen leaving. That was evident before this game. Robbo’s head has been down the last few matches. It’s a sad time for everyone. Results like this are inevitable. The players won’t accept that but deep down we all know the club is in a difficult moment.
Don't use Klopp leaving as an excuse, they are professional footballers.
It’s a freak result if we had played extremely well. But they just played us off the park. The players and the manager had no answers. No ideas. Arrogant with his team selection and overly emotional with his subs. CBS playing short passes to each and the gk. then going long. Make no mistake the players were shite. But Klopp is the main reason for this defeat. Utterly embarrassing and disgraceful performance off the back of that United one. The teams confidence is gone. They’re bottling it.
Been coming ...we have been punching way above this sides ability
Soberlzai needs selling
Terrible footballer
The team is far to easy to play against, this stupid highline and zero pressing every long ball the opposition are in at liverpool's goal and it also feels like liverpool need 10 chances to score a goal.
Something more I think . Hope not but it’s a concerning..
Way too much talk of we are a champions league team and too good for this competition. Maybe at the moment this is just not the case.
Way too much expectation and pressure to win everything for Klopp. It has to get to them.
Way too much thinking that the players coming back are going to deliver what they did straight away before injuries. Perhaps the others relaxed abit thinking they would take over? Who knows.
But we never give up. I am still hoping ❤YNWA
Mentality monaters my arse, the mindset of this team, instills no confidence
Your delusional if you think it a freak result, it been coming for months, we have one of the worst goals to conversion rates in Europe, as much as Liverpool fans put Salah on pedestal, his chance to conversion rates is terrible, and sad reality is, the front 3 need changing
We were lucky it wasn’t 4 or 5 let’s be honest!
Seems they’re focusing on gym sessions rather than football techniques.. cause i see nothing improving; Gakpo, Nunez, Tsimikas, .. guys can’t control the ball at first sometimes second touch. Just awful
Passing awful for a while, attack absolute shite, counter attacking, our bread and butter, we are the worst counter attacking team right now, in the league and elsewhere, we move the ball too slowly, I mean soooooo slowly its comical, no player chemistry, constantly over hit it during passing, every player we rely on has dipped in rent times in their performance, at the most crucial time our form haas dipped, absolutely infuriating. We never look comfortable, can't keep clean sheets, make mistakes every single game that lead directly to goals, we got lucky for a while but not any more, now mistakes result in goals, and all has been true for a while, before utd fa cup game and especially after. This team does not look like a team, it looks like players that just met and started playing with each other. Maddening, absolutely pathetic.
Season over
Getting bullied , just man marking and when we dont score individual errors. Get up and fight was gone
No more glass half full from Redmen please - time to start moving the spotlight onto the real problems we’re saying game after game
I don’t believe for a SECOND that our forwards are scoring in training, they can’t be, because our finishing is WOEFUL, has been for weeks and no one is talking about it properly, glassing over it all saying “ah yeah but we’re making chances” stop that. Stop that now
If this was city or arsenal they would’ve won 4-0 tonight, they are BETTER teams than we are
These players dont want to be here, they dnt care about the club. Now klopps leaving they all want out
Sign Ensico
If play like that Sunday then You Know Something is Wrong between player/Klopp etc . (Also I blame the Flag people for creating Unnecessary Negativity before the match )YNWA
Dude stfu about jota saving us ...last time he was injured he didnt score for a calender year
Darvin nunez is crap striker
Wonder if u was saying that when he won us games on he's own
The wheels are off Jurgen klopp wagon..... FACT
The players are to comfortables..... FACT
How many P L teams will make the last 4 of the C L / E L ? English football ain't as good as some believe .
The lack of football knowledge on these Dan channels is so evident outside of the club the hosts support, serie A which is seen by all the pop r sky sports brainwashed as some sort of farmers league is tactically far superior to the Hollywood movie that is the premier league, players understand their roles and they work hard, no superstars just proper footballers. Give the Serie A the deserve it respects
I don't think this is freak at all 😂