It was pretty easy to see that based on his raises. He then indicates that he loses to the nuts, which implies he has better than two pair. So it’s either trip jacks or queens.
At the same time, it’s gonna be uploaded to the internet later so it would only immediately effect this session. Just something to keep in mind but I agree
Yep and Alan showing him the nuts after the hand would've done his confidence a world of good. That's why I never think it's a good idea to show the winning hand
Kind of depends on his reasoning though. His reasoning about Keating only ever having the nuts here felt like bad reasoning that led to the correct answer. You could tell by Keating’s body language that he had the nuts though, which would be a better reason to fold.
True but obviously he’s rolled for the game just look at his watch. So just think of it as the limit you would play. 2-5 your looking at maybe 4 figure raise on river lol and you’d shrug call and say I knew he had the nuts lol
3:18 the announcer would have talked himself into a call. This was brutal. What a lay down. I think if you go back and watch, Keating's body language made it pretty obvious he was calling with a draw.
@@zb4358 not sure. On this telecast he said he was gonna hop in and okay but there was one person at the table who he doesn't see eye to eye with. Ben was losing big one stream and complaining like a bitch. The stream poker bunny quit on. Garrett was housing everybody then the game got short handed and people didn't want to play which basically wastes the production time. Garrett brought it up that because of this they should keep playing even five handed
@@zb4358 I'm not sure but when Nick said that he didn't get along with one of the players, it was almost universal in the chat that he was talking about Ben but again I'm not positive.
''if he fold its 100% exploitable'' thats poker..the goal is not to make the same play everytime in the same spot. i dont think he'd fold usualy thats the point
Exactly, the whole point of poker is that no hand is the same as the previous one. 99.9% of the time its some small differences even in similair spots, a flush draw or a gutshot, I would say you would be more exploitable it you always do the same thing.
The only thing better than his fold? The time he yelled at Israeli ron😂and not just yelled, he went insane😂 please hustler clip that!! I’m Dying just thinking about it.
Nobody is bluffing after check call, check call, check raise….. you’re basically saying they are floating/drawing 2 streets AND relying on other person betting instead of checking back
If you play your nut straight as a check raise, it makes perfect sense to play your bluffs in the same way. It would be a mistake to donk the river with bluffs, while check-raising the nuts.
He just called pre-flop so you know he didn’t have AA or QQ. Great read glad to see him fold unlike Dnegs he calls people‘s hands makes the call ‘ cause he’s just guessing. Lol
To be fair to dnegs, in this year's high stakes he showed super improved. But calling people's hand and then calling the bet is just childish 😜 and indeed just seems like guessing.
Look at Alan's line and demeanor on the turn. It screams draw. What's he raising with? AQ? AQ is a quick call on the turn or 3bet preflop. It's a crying but easy fold.
This is VERY similar to a hand played by DNegs, in the WSOP ME, at least 10 years ago. DNegs flopped the set and played it VERY weak. I think in that hand, DNegs actually put in a raise OTR. DNegs had played so weak, the other guy didn't want it checked back OTR, so the other guy led into DNegs. DNegs raised and then the other guy shoved, and DNegs called it off. I always disagreed with most people and thought it was an easy fold when the other guy shoved. *_IMO the thing to think about is whether BEN can have the nuts. If Ben played the hand like he would play KT, then Ben shouldn't call at the end,_* because Alan probably isn't bluffing into a range that seems to contain KT. (I think the other guy had KJ suited and DNegs flopped a set of T, but I'm not sure.)
Yeah, being 100% certain in live tells against a player you have no history with, and making big folds based on those tells, is not exploitable at all. There are also draws that missed, in case you didn't notice, and they are in fact perfect bluffing candidates, because they have a blocker to the nuts -- T9, and any backdoor flush draw containing a K or a T.
Alan should of just said…. “I had the nuts”. And don’t show, leave him wondering. But showing the nuts is good too since they know you’re catching hands and not bluffing.
ok show me where Alan ever raised a huge river bet huge without the nuts if he's really capable of that. Just reference a vid and I'll look it up myself. I'm skeptical. Bluffing rivers is one thing but bluffing in such a bloated pot in response to such a big raise? That's one of those plays you just don't see.
P*sses me off that if Tom Dwan or Ivey did this or Garret Adel f*cking Stein commentators would go nuts calling them the best ever etc. Some rando with a bit of money does it...'good fold'. Like GFTO.
Bad fold. The reason is that Alan in most cases will be a bluff or he is able to make a Valu bet with 2 pairs. Put another 85k into the pot that will be profitable in the long run
With open ended you call pot size bet? 4 out of 5 times, you will lose that hand. Then when the ace hit you check? Lots of times it will go check-check. Don’t tell me he knows about the set. I don’t know who alan is, but people in out garage play exactly the same way. This is almost equal to calling preflop all in with 76 suited. Or calling with basically anything and suck out. They shouldn’t even show hands like this on youtube.
That would have been an insane 10x the pot all in without having the nuts... and if he did have the nuts on the turn why would you bet out a draw hand and miss out on value??
How do you know its an easy fold?That means that the guy is bluffing some.QT the only possible bluff combo.If he has a lower set he would have raised earlier so there are no value bets that JJ beats so that leaves QT.If QT even calls the turn considering he faced an 80% bet 4 way on the flop and turn 80%.Maybe KQ but not many players bluff raise rivers for 120k which is like 600bbs.They seem to know each other.There are players that you simply fold 100% of no nuts hand on the river to for big bets and if you dont do that because of minimal defence freqency you are burning money in these spots.
@@kevintran3612 This. I think you're bang on. If Keating had maintained his poker face on the turn, he gets paid for that sizing (because then he can have 77). Given his turn reaction, I think he should have jammed the river. Keating is a maniac, so when he raises to a large-yet-reasonable sizing on the river, it just _screams_ value.
if check raise to 120k makes ben fold, would check raise all in and then speech play makes him more likely to pay off? Cause in order to make ben to call here, you have to establish a fishy image first
The one guy who says : "I knew he had jacks" as soon as Ben says he had jacks. Always one of those guys at every single table.
It was pretty easy to see that based on his raises. He then indicates that he loses to the nuts, which implies he has better than two pair. So it’s either trip jacks or queens.
@@michaelm4411 It's called a SET not trips.
Really like Alan showing the K10 after the hand, very classy and keeps the environment fun and respectful.
At the same time, it’s gonna be uploaded to the internet later so it would only immediately effect this session. Just something to keep in mind but I agree
He knew he was beat and didn’t talk himself into a call. Bravo.
That is a great fold. Which led to him winning the biggest pot on HCL and possibly one of his biggest winning sessions.
it would of been even better just to check back
@@derekeich4184 Bet fold is actually the right move there bc he can easily have AQ, which would pay off the river bet for sure.
Yep and Alan showing him the nuts after the hand would've done his confidence a world of good. That's why I never think it's a good idea to show the winning hand
@@derekeich4184 Check back JJ on the river? LOL what
Poor and biased commentary. Give credit where it’s due. If it was Garrett you’d be all over his nuts for folding here.
yea they’d be like “garret’s such a genius”
Kind of depends on his reasoning though. His reasoning about Keating only ever having the nuts here felt like bad reasoning that led to the correct answer. You could tell by Keating’s body language that he had the nuts though, which would be a better reason to fold.
Wow what a great fold. Most players probably do a shrug call there.
Shrug call is probably the right thing to do there.
I'm shrugging and paying him off and calling myself an idiot on the 110N on my way home............
Most players aren't facing an $85,000 raise on the river.
True but obviously he’s rolled for the game just look at his watch. So just think of it as the limit you would play. 2-5 your looking at maybe 4 figure raise on river lol and you’d shrug call and say I knew he had the nuts lol
Alan’s demeanor changed COMPLETELY as soon as he made his hand. He was smirking and squirming when on a draw, sitting with the nuts, super stoic.
its easy to say that when you can see his cards.
@@lasthitarN saying that makes no sense… we can see his face so we know???
Don’t a lot of people stay silent like that in a big bet at the end to try and not give any info.
@@Bigmeatlover you can see him trying not to smile tho lol
3:18 the announcer would have talked himself into a call. This was brutal. What a lay down.
I think if you go back and watch, Keating's body language made it pretty obvious he was calling with a draw.
its almost never obvious what cards Keating has
Respect to Ben. That's discipline right there.
I think Keating gave away a lot on the turn that he was drawing, and then the river comes facing a bet his demeanor was totally different.
Yup he gave away his hand on the turn. What an idiot
I totally agree
Damn good fold. Damn good player.
You can hear the distain Nick has in his voice for Ben.
Why doesn’t he like Ben?
@@zb4358 not sure. On this telecast he said he was gonna hop in and okay but there was one person at the table who he doesn't see eye to eye with. Ben was losing big one stream and complaining like a bitch. The stream poker bunny quit on. Garrett was housing everybody then the game got short handed and people didn't want to play which basically wastes the production time. Garrett brought it up that because of this they should keep playing even five handed
@@kellyallen8528 So you think he just doesn’t like him because of his etiquette and because he wanted to quit the stream early?
@@zb4358 I'm not sure but when Nick said that he didn't get along with one of the players, it was almost universal in the chat that he was talking about Ben but again I'm not positive.
@@kellyallen8528 I see thanks
Not sure how any opponent exploits perfect reads like that. Player gave away the information on the turn.
Damn Nick why do you hate Ben so much? He keeps the game exciting you gotta keep him coming back
Why doesn’t he like Ben?
'Good fold' lol
Ben correctly folded KK on turn in another big hand.
Nice river. Good bet. Great fold. You guys are sick.
''if he fold its 100% exploitable'' thats poker..the goal is not to make the same play everytime in the same spot. i dont think he'd fold usualy thats the point
Exactly, the whole point of poker is that no hand is the same as the previous one. 99.9% of the time its some small differences even in similair spots, a flush draw or a gutshot, I would say you would be more exploitable it you always do the same thing.
The only thing better than his fold? The time he yelled at Israeli ron😂and not just yelled, he went insane😂 please hustler clip that!! I’m
Dying just thinking about it.
After he huffed and puffed on the turn he almost certainly can’t be bluffing.
Could have T9
Nobody is bluffing after check call, check call, check raise….. you’re basically saying they are floating/drawing 2 streets AND relying on other person betting instead of checking back
If you play your nut straight as a check raise, it makes perfect sense to play your bluffs in the same way. It would be a mistake to donk the river with bluffs, while check-raising the nuts.
“Would u ever do this without the nuts keating?”🤣🤣🤣 it’s a great fold but he’s acting like the whole world doesn’t know who Alan Keating is
Very nice fold Ben ! Bravo !
what a tellbox Alan was... OMG
He just called pre-flop so you know he didn’t have AA or QQ. Great read glad to see him fold unlike Dnegs he calls people‘s hands makes the call ‘ cause he’s just guessing. Lol
To be fair to dnegs, in this year's high stakes he showed super improved.
But calling people's hand and then calling the bet is just childish 😜 and indeed just seems like guessing.
This is such a good fold oml
great play by both players !
And he shows his cards > Nuts.. Veeeeery correct move, that's poker life I love it
Look at Alan's line and demeanor on the turn. It screams draw. What's he raising with? AQ? AQ is a quick call on the turn or 3bet preflop. It's a crying but easy fold.
What a Fold!!!!!
This is VERY similar to a hand played by DNegs, in the WSOP ME, at least 10 years ago. DNegs flopped the set and played it VERY weak. I think in that hand, DNegs actually put in a raise OTR. DNegs had played so weak, the other guy didn't want it checked back OTR, so the other guy led into DNegs. DNegs raised and then the other guy shoved, and DNegs called it off. I always disagreed with most people and thought it was an easy fold when the other guy shoved. *_IMO the thing to think about is whether BEN can have the nuts. If Ben played the hand like he would play KT, then Ben shouldn't call at the end,_* because Alan probably isn't bluffing into a range that seems to contain KT. (I think the other guy had KJ suited and DNegs flopped a set of T, but I'm not sure.)
sick spot well played by Ben
Can't put him on AQ due to the way the flop was played.
Definitely not AK.
Pockets 77s no way based on the turn action.
I mean bluff or nuts.
No way he should have 77.
80% pot sized bet on flop, with two overs, multi way.
77 is hitting the muck nearly every time.
@@shukuladay8883 that too
fold set J vs a super loss Aggressive play is unbelievable
What a style, nice show down.
Ben is wearing a very nice Richard Mille watch. Just saying 🤷🏼♂️
Is he doing it with a set of 7's. The guy called a massive cbet on the flop. Not much chance hes floating there oop with 7's.
Yea seriously the commentary crew is fish status
Who's this Alan? I love his gamble LOL
One of the best folds I’ve ever seen
Go check out Doug Polk folding a straight to Phil Helmuth. Mind blown
Nice fold
What a horrendous call on the turn. Clown must have more money than sense calling almost a pot size bet with 8 outs.
You'll get lucky once in awhile, but definitely long run you'll go broke .
The great poker players knows when to do a hard fold sometimes.
Pocket jacks cursed
Dont raise too much alan cause its very easy to let him think like that anyways nice hand for both of you
He woulda called if he was stuck $
Quest... can players show 1 of their card?
Not exploitable. Dude never loudly sighs on the turn and calls with a lower set, any worse two-pair etc. It's always the draw.
Great fold.
Yeah, being 100% certain in live tells against a player you have no history with, and making big folds based on those tells, is not exploitable at all.
There are also draws that missed, in case you didn't notice, and they are in fact perfect bluffing candidates, because they have a blocker to the nuts -- T9, and any backdoor flush draw containing a K or a T.
Loudly sighing usually means strength actually. It’s like you’re trying to make it look like a tough call. Alan may have been trying to level 2 bluff
I always go all in when I flop an open ended straight/flush draw. I am willing to live with a 30 percent chance of getting there by the river
If you always do that, it's mathematically a losing play.
@@TankAssTanner what do you consider to balance your range in these kinda spot ? randmoizing ?
Alan should of just said…. “I had the nuts”.
And don’t show, leave him wondering. But showing the nuts is good too since they know you’re catching hands and not bluffing.
K10 guy calls way way too wide , with so bad odds to improve , sickkk
Ben too good
Brilliant fold
Epic fold
yeah k or q woulda bet or raised, great fold
More tells than Williams family tree
ok show me where Alan ever raised a huge river bet huge without the nuts if he's really capable of that. Just reference a vid and I'll look it up myself. I'm skeptical. Bluffing rivers is one thing but bluffing in such a bloated pot in response to such a big raise? That's one of those plays you just don't see.
I'm folding for one big reason....i literally lose about 95% of the time with pocket jacks. Not kidding. I absolutely hate that hand.
Nice folđ
How the hell he fold this when he couldnt T4 off top pair vs Garrett set for similar size
easy fold, not sure why he took so long
I completely agree with Nick. This was a scared fold. He was up 100 k and just wanted to book a win.
Alan shoulda ripped it probably woulda gotten called...
Fucking hate how much poker player say sick. Rather watch poker bunny on stream, obviously
It’ll be nice if he didn’t show him his cards since he folded 🤣
Too greedy. He's not calling an $85k raise with third nuts when the most obvious draw came in. Alan should have raised smaller.
LOL. KT isn't a premium hand. And several draws missed, e.g. T9hh
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 K 10 was the nuts.
@@sinatra222 Not until the river, Einstein.
Alan is so lucky there. What a donkey player
How much more is it? Ben is not good at math.
Easy fold. Alan check raise nuts only on the river. Easy to read from his face that he hit straight.
P*sses me off that if Tom Dwan or Ivey did this or Garret Adel f*cking Stein commentators would go nuts calling them the best ever etc. Some rando with a bit of money does it...'good fold'. Like GFTO.
The crew at HCL are a bunch of Full Tilt wannabees. The men's room smells like roses in an alpine meadow after they use it.
Bad fold. The reason is that Alan in most cases will be a bluff or he is able to make a Valu bet with 2 pairs. Put another 85k into the pot that will be profitable in the long run
i feel like 85% of dealers if you asked how much more is it they’d be like do the math yourself lol. tho i don’t blame them
ben's such a whiney player lol.
With open ended you call pot size bet? 4 out of 5 times, you will lose that hand. Then when the ace hit you check? Lots of times it will go check-check. Don’t tell me he knows about the set. I don’t know who alan is, but people in out garage play exactly the same way. This is almost equal to calling preflop all in with 76 suited. Or calling with basically anything and suck out. They shouldn’t even show hands like this on youtube.
rich? check. cant play poker for shit? double check!!
such a nit seems he kinda scared money. later on he won a big pot but didnt even play much after.
Ben plays big pots all the time
why didn’t he push all in on the turn instead of let him get there…should be calling any river bet if he’s calling the turn
That would have been an insane 10x the pot all in without having the nuts... and if he did have the nuts on the turn why would you bet out a draw hand and miss out on value??
Brutal commentators lol. More to the game than just math. Shutup
How does Ben make this fold? He’s easily barreling AQ and AJ, the correct fold but in my opinion, a losing fold in the long run for this whale
How do you know its an easy fold?That means that the guy is bluffing some.QT the only possible bluff combo.If he has a lower set he would have raised earlier so there are no value bets that JJ beats so that leaves QT.If QT even calls the turn considering he faced an 80% bet 4 way on the flop and turn 80%.Maybe KQ but not many players bluff raise rivers for 120k which is like 600bbs.They seem to know each other.There are players that you simply fold 100% of no nuts hand on the river to for big bets and if you dont do that because of minimal defence freqency you are burning money in these spots.
If he went all in it would have told a better bluff story. The best sizing plus his reaction on the turn gave it away.
@@kevintran3612 This. I think you're bang on. If Keating had maintained his poker face on the turn, he gets paid for that sizing (because then he can have 77). Given his turn reaction, I think he should have jammed the river. Keating is a maniac, so when he raises to a large-yet-reasonable sizing on the river, it just _screams_ value.
Alan is the biggest donk. Calls with nothing and hits rivers.
Tuchman is an awful commentator
if check raise to 120k makes ben fold, would check raise all in and then speech play makes him more likely to pay off? Cause in order to make ben to call here, you have to establish a fishy image first