How much power can turbos and intercooler gain on an Ecoboost F-150?
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2020
- In this one, we swap out the factory turbos and intercooler on an 3.5 Ecoboost F-150 for better, more efficient ones! The new turbos are the same size as factory but they have upgraded internals. The new intercooler which is almost twice the size of factory, fits in like a glove to help those new turbos breathe! This job only requires basic work, but yields a pretty fair horsepower gain in return.
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@@Thalor yes sir @1crazysnake
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With a proper tune that thing will be in the mid 400's... I have a gen 2 platinum and did everything but turbos and its a monster. Turbos are next when these crap out! Love the truck stuff!
What all have you done? I also have a gen 2 and I’m looking for a good place to start for power
@@rrichiieget tunes and a tuner from 5 star tuning, they have dyno graphs on their site and my 18 lariat with the 3.5 EcoBoost makes 500whp and 500wtq just with a k&n cold air intake and mbrp 4” installer series exhaust it’s a whole different beast 😎
@@tatersguntate2021it’s been a long time since this comment but I have the same set up and I cannot stand how bad the drone is in the cab. Is yours bad too?
I have an 18 3.5 felt 4x4 crew cab.all live done is add the bully dog extreme programer and a Borla cat attack exhaust.I don't know what I have at the back tires but up front looks like about 500 up and 700 ft ponds of torque. Don't know for sure but it is a flat a. Screamer!
I seen on one video where they were getting 630 hp and 630 torque to the ground on a 3.5 ecoboost with turbo changed and a tune.... thanks for your videos buddy....
Please give mea link to that video.
@@mrgcav czcams.com/video/XZeRPe2IOCA/video.html
@@mrgcav czcams.com/video/XZeRPe2IOCA/video.html
@@mrgcav did you get that video link of that f150 eccboost
@@Wootangtw Thanks !
Got a buddy with a 2014 sho, he dynoed 981 hp. There is a lot more room with the combo installed, it's all about the tune now. Oh I'm svt master cert for 2 decades now. Been around em.
Turbo's and supers are basically just a proper dyno away from unlimited power. So long as the forced induction components can handle the insane air throughput, it's changing the displacement without increasing the volume of the cylinder. All the while keeping the v6 gas mileage in the low demand scenarios.
What intercooler? JUST LOOKED SO SINPLE. Ran a Cobb on my 17’ raptor.... major PITA but made a huge difference on high speed WOT
There is never enough room to work on these new vehicles, they package things well, but still those turbos are jammed in there.
It's not terrible
I just pulled my blown motor and replaced it with a fresh unit, really not bad at all.
There are a few engineering fork ups, but not too many.
Are these factory High Output parts for the new raptor and limited's 450hp version?
Traded my powerstroke in on a 3.5 Ecoboost and i regret nothing really. Its as fast with $1000 worth of mods as my truck was with $5000 worth of work. Still tows my trailer well and isn't a fucking timebomb
People just don’t like the way they sound….too stuck in their ways
Ecoboost are time bombs as well. Pistons are not forged like they should be. One of my pistons cracked the other day.
@@hidros1461 what year
@@hidros1461 well I’m 110,000 miles in after 3 years and it’s still holding up strong
Love the way he just sent the bolt on the intercooler lol
Aldo the apache is fearless!😂
I wonder if the factory turbos waste gate was rattling and that's what prompted the owner to upgrade. Im thinking about upgrading both turbos to stop the horrible rattling noise.
If your gonna replace them get upgraded ones.
What stage turbos ? Thinking about getting stage 3
With Aldo there you can get the Ford market to follow! He is a great Ford Guy! And has the race credit to follow!
Check out Bill Lutz F150 on here. Stock 2019 V8 with twins made over 900 at the tire. Yes, the same Bill Lutz that races Drag radial and no prep.
Please provide a link.
@@mrgcav
czcams.com/video/2Cm5ScVIj6U/video.html
@@MrCarnutbill67 Thanks!
Damn he made that look easy! I have wanted to do a inter-cooler upgrade for a while now! I have even considered removing my licence plate so the cooler could breath a little easier!
It is crazy simple and easy! Took me only 20min by myself! I also removed my liscens plate and disconnected my baffles so it breathes better.
If you plan on stressing the engine at all then that is a must do. It blocks a significant amount of cooling capacity.
Absolutely worth it
i have F-150 Ecoboost i always thought that i cant upgrade my turbos, is there way to know what i can upgrade on my truck ?
I don’t pretend to know or understand the variables involved with all the different Dyno’s but I’m with several people that have commented on here. I’ve seen several times personally between my own or several friends over the years including 2020 3.5 and have seen bone stock rear wheel numbers consistently north of 310 WHP.
After watching this video and reading the numbers and the comments I googled and CZcamsd ‘stock 3.5 dyno test’ and the 3-4 I watched were all over 315 - 333 WHP.
So I am also confused with what reality actually is and why these numbers vary so much.
Im about to get my 2021 3.5 dyno so I have a base line before I start adding stuff. Im told to expect around 340 ish
I think ford just does that to mess with us numbers vary I had a 07 freestar that we got brand new and they said it only had 256hp to the wheels and I thought the hp numbers were suspicious because I did a 0-60 5.6sec and was like huh so had my buddie throw in on his dyno and thing made 301hp
Anybody know What exhaust set up is on this truck, im not a fan of the ecoboost sound, but this one sounded pretty decent
I didn't see any cooling fan being used on that truck while on the dyno? Whats the sense of testing a intercooler upgrade with no fan support?? Running that engine hard like that with no external cooling, glad it wasn't my truck.
11:30 turbo gauge its crazy up to 20 and down to 0?????
What turbos are these?
Missed opportunity to delete the intercooler shutters. other than that great job!
Would it be beneficial to remove the shutters on a stock 3.5 eco
what about streetspeed 717 corvette c6 zr1 have u delivered it
Do the 3.5 have the same turbo size as the 2.7 ecos???
No
Do turbos get blown out if people don’t put bovs on their f150’s? Also why isn’t there much aftermarket turbo systems for 2018 f150’s?
A little late here but I'll try to answer these questions. If the newer F150's were MAF-based, then you'd want to stick with the recirculating system that comes stock. But since it's a MAP-only truck, you can go with either recirc or VTA and you won't lose power or air efficiency. The only way to blow out the turbos is by not having either system in place causing the built up air pressure to flow back to the turbo inlets which it then would make a noticeable fluttering noise. Some people do this on purpose "because it sounds cool", but once you understand the damage it causes to the blades it'll just make you cringe. As far as the aftermarket turbos go, I believe it mostly has to do with the electronic wastegates on the Gen2 3.5 turbos. CRPerformance was the first to come up with a solution, as you may know, which involved machining stock turbos so they could add bigger compressor wheels...otherwise the turbos would have to be redesigned from the ground up and last I checked 6 months ago, only one company (Garrett) took the risk and did just that.
I don't have the three five EcoBoost so I don't know but those power numbers before and after seem really low because I thought from the factory the crank rating was 365 horsepower 400 torque and so that's a really low or I guess high percentage drop of power through the drivetrain I saw vids of stock 3.5 ecobooats making over 300 to the wheels and I know that altitude temperature and things can end the dyno can affect how much it reads but that still seems really low I had a 2011 mustang v6 3.7 l naturally aspirated stock and it made 260 horsepower and 240 foot pounds of torque and it was rated 305 horsepower and 280 torque from the factory and after I made my own vortex supercharger kit I was pushing over 400 horsepower the rear wheels off I think 10 PSI if I remember right so those numbers just seem crazy low
Tune on these truck is key, I went from 360whp to 511whp on E50 and tune only!
What tune did you use?
@@Smallvet 5 star tuning 🔥
@@PoEncimaTV any specific one? Or recommend. I have a spd turbo adapters spd catted downpipe and just ordered CR performance exhaust manifolds
@@Smallvet I run E50 tune and you most do the revisions I noticed huge improvement after 4th revision. Hopefully soon Ill be upgrading to full E85
@@PoEncimaTV nice man thanks a lot
I couldn’t find anything other than ported upgraded turbos for my 14 sho. Hard to come by mods
GEARHEAD makes a big intercooler for it, I got one for my SHO and Flex but they are on back order now. Maybe just keep and eye out for when they are in stock.
The tailgate said limited. I thought the limited only came with the Ecoboost HO, the same in the raptor?
2017-2018 came with the same 3.5L 365 HP , 19-20 have the HO
Only 19 and newer has the HO
This truck has the 3.5HO
@@Viages Gotcha! I didn't see the year posted in the description. 😐
my 14 is putting down 365hp with 420 torque, are you sure you are working on a 3.5? seems more like a 2.7
It's a Limited model, they only came in a 3.5l.
Should really have it tuned first to see the true potential, should be getting over 400 with some solid turbos and intercooler
That set up- with e30/e50 is good for over 500whp.
It's ALL in the tuning .
@@Stickerslapper yea potentially, I'm just saying there's no reason it should be under 400, even if it's not the best tune.
@@colecampbell1906 you are correct it should be well over 400whp
Those numbers seem way off.
I have a heavily modified 2012 f150 that I just finished installing new motor + big turbos. Allready had a ton of other supporting mods from the previous motor/ turbo combo. I'm Currently in the tuning process, logging /reflashing, rinse repeat. I pointed out that it's all in the tuning from experience of going through the tuning process on the 3.5tt motors Many times over the last few yrs. A bone stock 2nd gen with an e50 tune ONLY can see close to 550whp and over 600wtq.
My set with a laundry list of mods can do about the same. 2nd gens are highly tunable and can see massive power with the right tuner.
I am really surprised that it didn’t have bigger power gains. A mild tune will add 100hp, this was way way more than just a tune. Maybe I am missing something I know LMR is a great shop.
Could be the type of dyno they're using, could be the gear they're doing the pulls in, pulls in different gears will drastically change torque figures on paper. Who knows this might be on 87 octane. One bug no no I noticed, was they didn't have any fans on the front of the truck, that seems a bit reckless to me. I would at the very least be concerned about cooling.
He says at 10:50 he did the pull in 4th gear.
@@keepnitsharp Gotcha! Thank you!
@@keepnitsharp also clearly shows ME for 5th gear on the last in pulls
They are the same size as the factory turbos, but with different internals. Usually when you do this internal upgrade on the CHRA you are just changing the style of the wheels, not the size. Even on the best of turbos that is only good for about a 10% improvement over the stock turbo design. So this actually isnt bad for just that swap and an intercooler upgrade, but its ALOT of work for such a small gain. This IMO would be only something you do after youve blown the factory turbos and exhausted all your other mods.
I want all the turbos on my EcoBoost
Who is the band playing? Love it.
Can you do that to an expedition and get the same power gains?
It’s the exact same motor, only issue would just be the weight on the power loss through the driveline. But even then, you could still make it just as wild.
How many HPs will get you
Five star did a 2019 expedition with downpipes, intercooler and intake and after tune made 650hp crank they said $3k in mods and were running 4.5src 0-60 and beat a mustang gt in 1/4 mile. They have a video on their page.
Damn I didn't know aldo use to work for you guys
Ppl say my 14 ecoboost has 51mm turbos stock is that true?
how much reliable power can those stock internals hold on the 3.5s?
from what ive seen 700-750 is where the 3.5 starts getting dicey
It’s a shame to have those turbos off and not upgrade the manifolds lol
Yeah I thought the same thing when buying the Garretts. I ran into a fitment issue, though, because CRP released their manifolds before the Garretts came out and weren't shaped to accommodate the beefier compressor housing. I had to grind some material off the manifolds to get the turbos to fit. I was worried about the manifolds cracking during the constant heat cycling, but fortunately after 6 months so far so good.
Nice rice tuner truck
My 2019 2.7 eco makes 325hp and a little over 400lb stock.
Would an upgraded intercooler make my 2019 F150 2.7 a little quicker in a quarter mile run due to air intake temperatures not increasing? Thanks
Good video, but can you post music credits? Thanks!
Why do those numbers seem terribly low. I have seen stock ones at 340 rwhp and nothing done 🤔
I bet it’s the 2.7! I was wondering that as well
In the video description it says it is 3.5
Prob. Different type of dyno
What exhaust are you running?
Rouche
This has to be a 2.7?
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All that and your using cheap worm drive clamps? Those things will blow off. Use some t- bolt clamps.
Check out breeze clamps. Used on modified turbo cars. People run 30psi. Never had any issue.
First thing I did is swap all the clamps to t- bolt on my FBO ecoboost. It was an upgrade on its own. Highly recommend to get the proper torque.
OEM clamps are worm drive. Even running 22 to 23 lbs of boost on my truck they have never ever blown off.
@@_willalexander.88 did you notice a difference ?
What is Aldo welds doing at LMR???
Been working here full time for long a time now...👍
Same i thought he was at the other shop
There's my Limited. ❤️
I have 2021 3.5 and its 400hp stock something wrong here
Nice 👌
Aldo Welds works at LMR?
Yes sir
@@LateModelRacecraft You guys doing coyote turbo kits now? I heard Aldo might know his way around a coyote.
I have a 2020 2.7L f150. With mbrp exhaust and K&N intake, I hit 320 hp. I'm sure that 3.5L can handle loads more power
How do you fully disable the traction control to dyno it? Even after holding for 5 seconds and it saying advance trac off, my traction control still kicks in.
Most cars typically have a fuse to pull, each car is different obviously but typically it’s like a stabilitrak fuse.
ABS fuse?
I turned mine off with Forscan on my laptop. Forscan does a lot of good stuff. Need to check it out. You can get a free two month trail and get and extended two month trail after that. Turned off my traction control and Tire pressure monitor system because it kept acting up.
Someone needs to make an intake manifold for these eco boost the stock one looks horrible
Need one with a holley top hat
No they need one that actually has some decent runner length and then they could have both port and direct fuel injection like on the Ford GT 3.5 v6 and put some goddamn bigger turbos on those things I know that on my EcoBoost it like stops making power after 5,000 RPMs it it needs a bigger exhaust on those turbos at least
If that was my truck and I only made 68hp more from a tune, turbos, and an IC I would be pissed! Numbers seem pretty weak
Should be minimum 200hp wit all those mods. Just the Tune with ic upgrade should easily be 80-100hp.
How much would that cost me
I dont understand this at all. I can tune my 2012 3.5l and make nearly 400whp on 93 octane. You must have something messed up bad. You have exhaust intake upgraded turbos upgraded intercooler. What motor is this?! Stock 2.7l makes like 325hp or something...
My stock 2017 3.5 eco (2nd gen) laid down 300whp and 400wtq bone stock. They did something veryyyyyy wrong here lol
I thought these were 2.7 L numbers until I saw it was a Limited.
Makes no sense at all
They even have the high output eco boost
Think they piece together the truck...they even had roush on the side never seen solid black interior for a limited
Doesnt it come stock with 325hp? 🤷🏽♂️ u bumped it up 3hp?
325 is crank HP ford advertises. These numbers they ran are to the wheels.
Should get a hell of a lot more
I thought that the 3.5l ecoboost would have more power than the base numbers showed. It's lost 200ftlb of torque and 100 hp? I'm not familiar with this platform so forgive me for not knowing these things with this platform
Its very confusing!!, my 2017 lariat with the 3.5 puts out 375hp stock!! 🤔
Yeah I’m confused
375 to the crank. These are wheel HP numbers. They should have been doing pulls in 7th gear 1:1 ratio
@@bryandepiazzy8679 , you have a good point! 👍
With a right tune for big turbo, intercooler. Reach easy the 410 whp
Was this on 87 octane?
Because these numbers are EXTREMELY unimpressive. STOCK should make around 300-320 whp on 93 octane.
And i have yet to see a single 2018+ 3.5 ecoboost even on bone stock turbos to not make at least 420-450 whp.
I was a bit baffled myself. Is it really a 2.7l? I don't know what the hp difference is
Yeah im confused my 2011 3.5 before sending it to livernois in Detriot was making roughly 310 whp at 100k miles. After intercooler upgrades, turbo internal upgrades and better hot and cold side with catless exhaust plus some better plugs wires and injectors on 93 tune was making roughly 450 whp with 510 torq( and can go more now that I've got there meth set up). I will say ive never seen a stock 3.5 no matter what year make 450 whp, only raptors and GTs have i seen with those numbers from Ford with no mods
@@AustinK95 gen2 17+ 3.5's make it easy man. Very different turbos and better exhaust manifolds.
@@stephenpourciau8155 what's your opinion on upgrading the intercooler on a 19' 3.5 EB? I'm all stock and only run 93. The truck runs much better on cold days vs hot...I'm thinking the bigger intercooler might help with heat soak and lower egts.
@@mmholling87 should be your first mod.
I thought stock makes 470 ftlb torque. Drivetrain lost 200 ftlb to the wheels???
I know lol,something is wrong with their dyno or software only stupid dyno numbers ive seen for these trucks are these. They are very low even for 1st gens. I guess they dont know how to tune either...
@@homerog4920 The 470 lb. feet of torque is the flywheel, or crank rating. He's posting the real world power to the rear wheel that you get on a dyno. The manufacturer never advertises those numbers b/c that wouldn't be as impressive. There's always about a 30% loss of power through the drive train, but with that said his rear wheel numbers here seem pretty low.
I think on the Dino run you should be in 7 gear and those numbers are really low . I watched stock 3.5 make those numbers. Makes no sense
czcams.com/video/uPMOlhkIg9c/video.html
This will tell you real numbers dynoed at wheels for all f150 engines
Maybe use a torque wrench for those critical parts bud!
where in texas yall at?
Sugon
Aren't there plenty of stock turbo 3.5s out there putting down mid 400s with over 500 torque? This is confusing
It’s wasn’t tuned, they just did the upgrades
@@AllendeNL oh okay I see. Hopefully some e85 and tune with spice things up
They showed wheel HP not crank HP. Crank is what the factory reports. Wheel you lose around 15% or more through the drivetrain.
Yeah could have just tuned a stock turbo truck and made more than that. Maybe this is in preparation for someone else to tune it.
@@JaegerWrenching I am guessing close to 500 wheel with a good e85. Would be a badass truck at that point
Should have ran it against employees 19+Silverado,before and after,thats the vis we want t see.
Ecoboost would walk a 5.3
@@ScabFarmer I know but would like to see the gain of the mods
@@ScabFarmer A twin turbo 5.3 would be the ticket though.
still faster stock than even the 6.2. I have had both. Torque under the curve and weight make it faster
Ohhhh I have the 2.0 escape. I need new turbo and intercooler!
Same
370whp on a limited with turbo upgrades???? I mean my stock turbo SHO made those numbers with a tune.
Geez, you can get a lot more power than that with just the 93 tune from MPT. And save the money spent on the turbos. Doesn't seem like itd be worthwhile to go this route at all
Ummmm not talking shit but is there a post tune video? Because this was clearly an installation video only
My ‘17 Sport is rated at 345 hp but I believe that is end of crank hp not wheel hp. Auto 4 wheel drive and you loose a bunch of hp. Probably no more than 250 wheel, most likely less.
You should keep mading ford half of the mark is ford good look and keep the good work 👍
105HP driveline loss? Nearly 30%. Something is awry stock. Were you running Premium gas on the base dyno? Something just isn't right about stock HP.
No that is what they put out in 90 degree days with no breeze into the cooler and he has cats that are holding that thing back and that shitty lazy stock tune
@@pascalolesen5187 No it isn't lol.
@@stephenpourciau8155 I had one and it was very slow and over rated
Eco Puke
@@pascalolesen5187 cool mine ran 11.2 @ 121 mph. Look at my channel
Please, for the love of God, tune your truck.
ikr those numbers suck!!!!!
Dang guys, something is seriously wrong with that truck. Stock those engines normally dyno out just under or right at 300hp. MPT is making over 400hp at the wheels with only a tune. Get that thing figured out. Something is very wrong.
@10:10 a Sound i will never like, v6 sound in a pickup. Never sound like a v8 rumble.
The ecoboost v6 is a particularly awful sounding v6. Lots of other v6 engines sound better.
No way i could own a full size truck that sounds like that
Yeah I hear you then you get passed by the V6.
@@RadDadisRad resonator delete, corsa exhuast, sounds like a damn 7.3. People don't know how yo set these things up right. But go ahead, throw the $500 ebay exhaust on and complain about the noise.
@@ther.6107 I didnt buy a truck to make it fast I bought truck to use as a truck
Everything about this install looked like a head ache
Bro my 2016 2.7 made 375hp whit just a cut exhaust 😂
They left it worse than it was
How do you upgrade a truck and lose power lmfao? They make 475 tq stock
The 470 lb. feet of torque is the flywheel, or crank rating. He's posting the real world power to the rear wheel that you get on a dyno. The manufacturer never advertises those numbers b/c that wouldn't be as impressive. There's always about a 30% loss of power through the drive train, but with that said his rear wheel numbers here seem pretty low.
Tune only trucks are making more than that….
That actually doesn’t sound to bad🔥🔥🔥
Yo guys go check out powernations video about the viper truck vs a f150 they killed it not in a good way the f150 with upgraded turbos, intercooler, and injectors only make 415 wheel 🤣 it’s embarrassing why cux I have a sho with stock turbos, stock intercooler with downpipe and fuel pump upgrade and make 420+
Those aren't 3.5 numbers. This is a 2.7.
Those #'s are way off...
Seems really low for all the mods that were put on it.
All that money in mods, an a jiffy lube oil filter........wow.
Y'all better show some respect! That's a Roush F150! Says so ALL over the truck. Putting an exhaust on a truck doesn't make it a real Roush product.
Isnt a roush just a package with roush products on it? Stage 1 roush is only an exhaust and CAI. This package they are installing is a stage 2 roush package for the EcoBoosts, so yes it is a roush.
Dyno pulls in that should be 7th gear. You can gain more power and torque with just a tuner. What a waste of time.
That’s what I’m saying! Something is way off I feel
Factory 2.7's are seeing 300-310 or more at the wheels. Yeah something is off. To my knowledge, 5th is the gear on these 10r80 trucks.
Damn it, my phone said How much power do turbos make. Was going to throw my two cents regarding how fat is your wallet and it's a damn v6. Now I have to throw the two cents in another direction. Buick had the Grand National back in the 80s. Nothing new about a turbo v6. One thing that hasn't changed, they still sound like crap.
I don’t know man the Nissan GT-R sounds pretty good to me
Umm, so is this just the gain from the bolt ons without tuning?? Because if it's tuned, you need to go back to school...
The numbers dont make sense.
This video makes no sense. You can get those gains with a tune on a 3.5. Also, turn the freaking speed limiter off and rev it out. I think thats half the problem. This tune is way off.
those numbers dont even make sense
It's got to be a 2.7 even the exhaust sounds like a 2.7 my 2016 limited sounds deeper than this and it's stock. My truck throws down way better numbers than that.
No it doesnt
That truck is a Limited model, they only came in a 3.5L. 2019+ Limited years have the same turbos and engine internals as the Raptor.
A narration rather than annoying music would be MUCH more helpful.