The WORST Creek I Have Ever Kayaked

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  • čas přidán 4. 08. 2023
  • The WORST Creek I Have Ever Kayaked... But could it be one of the most memorable ones. This was a creek that came out of the plateau of east Tennessee. We went into this trip knowing very little at all about it and found out it was not an easy place to kayak through.
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Komentáře • 216

  • @nguyenbanghia8970
    @nguyenbanghia8970 Před 11 měsíci +41

    My first time Kayaking and this Kayak held strong. czcams.com/users/postUgkx4k5UrhC3v_Y4hIEaXLGvHcN5a5aBmZNB The water got pretty rough as a speed boat zipped by me, and the Kayak withstood it (I expected to be capsized). The Ores are very easy to put together, the pump worked beautifully. the seats are a bit hard to sit in after a while (I recommend sitting on the floor). after reading the reviews I was very scared it'd get a hole in it, the material is very strong and durable. The Air valve may need a small Phillips head screwdriver to adjust, other than that, it's well worth the money!(update)I've gone Kayaking in 3 Lakes and 2 rivers totaling about 40 miles. the kayak had two holes and they patched easily and no other problems can't wait for kayaking season this year!

    • @MsKindaSorta
      @MsKindaSorta Před 9 měsíci

      It didn’t look stable. 😂
      I don’t have that exact model but my crescent slips out from under me in all types of water. I butt into a boulder I didn’t see (in flat water) and I flipped! And it has the transom for a trolling motor. 😂 no way

  • @AaronsOutdoor1
    @AaronsOutdoor1 Před 11 měsíci +8

    Now that was a creek fishing adventure! The scenery looked incredible

  • @adastraperaspera7098
    @adastraperaspera7098 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Greetings from Kansas USA. Glad you didn't lose lot of stuff or anything like that. Glad yall had a good time. I'm saving up for Kayak. :).

  • @randyblevins9489
    @randyblevins9489 Před 11 měsíci +7

    What a wild and crazy river ride with some wild and crazy guys !! You all will remember this trip for a lifetime. Each of you will have your selective moments, but the scenery is almost overwhelming to the mind. I think your level of tiredness will be considered well worth it once you have rested. I have only been to BSF once, many years ago, just for camping and squirrel hunting(the trees were so tall my 20 gauge couldn't knock 'em out of the tree tops). We went in at the McCreary Co., Ky. side. Thanks John for this video which profiles one of a few Wild rivers left, and just how beautiful our part of the world is ! Always be safe ! Pap Blevins

  • @sethjohnsonoutdoors4055
    @sethjohnsonoutdoors4055 Před 11 měsíci +13

    Absolutely incredible scenery!!!! What an adventure you had on this video buddy!! Thanks for all your hard work Jon!

  • @dennisstewart7849
    @dennisstewart7849 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Three young men, living the good life. You are blessed, even on a hard day on the water. Living the dream.

  • @STinGa157
    @STinGa157 Před 11 měsíci

    Okay ... I’ve watched all three perspectives. Epic is all I can say. Tough and exhausting adventures with no death = epic.

  • @cbeardmusic4295
    @cbeardmusic4295 Před 11 měsíci

    This is probably in my top 10 CFA videos of all time! Loved it! You definitely looked whooped by the end..

  • @CarolinaBassHunter
    @CarolinaBassHunter Před 11 měsíci

    Dude I've rewatched this part a bunch now. 9:10 😂 That noise you made 😂 lol! I'm laughing with you. Man you TOOK off down that chute. That thing about swept your kayak out from under you. Man that was great. 😂😂 Lol

  • @davidrudd9846
    @davidrudd9846 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video John the kayaking was get to watch. Really enjoyed this video Thanks!! from Drought stricken South Texas

  • @jayhuber1744
    @jayhuber1744 Před 11 měsíci

    Epic video John. Everything about it was amazing.

  • @waterratlyle2590
    @waterratlyle2590 Před 9 měsíci

    Man, what a journey, you guys are rocking it good job, glad everyone safe.

  • @patrickhartman6818
    @patrickhartman6818 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Our heatwave here in Arkansas will end next week. Then more fishing. Only get a cupple hrs in morning now

  • @topdawg9106
    @topdawg9106 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing video! Lots of nice bass and beautiful scenery. Great work Jon!!

  • @dcdcts
    @dcdcts Před 11 měsíci

    I've watched pretty much most of your videos and have followed your channel for years... this video is by far my favorite!!! Seeing you jump off that rock just took me back to my childhood at my grandparents creek in Manchester KY. Thanks so much for putting a smile on my face!!! Your adventures are awesome!!!

  • @jimdowns2255
    @jimdowns2255 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing this one brother.
    Couldn't take my eyes off the screen.

  • @hilljackoutdoors2808
    @hilljackoutdoors2808 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you for taking us along for the ride. Absolutely beautiful bud.

  • @christiankell6074
    @christiankell6074 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Well it was good to see Alex and Josh again. The place looked amazing, and the fish were exciting and often it seemed. But it did look a little scary at times for sure. But overall, this was an eventful and fun video to watch, and I could only imagine what it was like for real. Thank you for bringing us on this amazing journey, and next time bring some arm floaties for Alex....LOL just kidding. GOD BLESS AND GO KATS!!!!!!!!!!

  • @reggiesmith8550
    @reggiesmith8550 Před 11 měsíci

    Looks like ya'll had a hell of a time but it was great to see ya'll exploring something I would never be able to. Great video!

  • @JerryN856
    @JerryN856 Před 11 měsíci

    That was quite an adventure with a couple of really great guys. You probably slept really good that night. And that evening meal looked awesome. Thanks for sharing.

  • @thealembicdiary1814
    @thealembicdiary1814 Před 11 měsíci

    Dude this is special!!! Glad you found it 🧡🧡

  • @johndeno1071
    @johndeno1071 Před 11 měsíci

    What an amazing trip. You all had a great but rough day for sure. I guessed right Alex would flip at least once and hope he finally got to poop...LOL

  • @micahgrim2597
    @micahgrim2597 Před 11 měsíci

    That’s some work right there. Wow! Glad you all are safe! Quite the creek fishing adventure, living up to its name no doubt!

  • @samuelwarden6285
    @samuelwarden6285 Před 11 měsíci

    Well I'm glad Alex got all of his gear back and no one got hurt on this adventure. It looked amazing and yal caught alot of fish. Great vid as always 👊👍.

  • @CarolinaBassHunter
    @CarolinaBassHunter Před 11 měsíci

    What a trip. Awesome video. 👍👍

  • @gloryboundoutdoors974
    @gloryboundoutdoors974 Před 11 měsíci

    Now, that's what I call living!!! You made lots of great memories on that trip John! God was watching out for you guys. Thanks for sharing these great adventures!

  • @dylanmcclintic6084
    @dylanmcclintic6084 Před 11 měsíci

    I watch lots of fishing vids and yours I seem to watch the whole way through great job keep it up

  • @emmanuelhernandez7136
    @emmanuelhernandez7136 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Greetings from Costa Rica

  • @maryannegreenslade78
    @maryannegreenslade78 Před 11 měsíci

    That place was beautiful but dangerous, glad you guys had fun doing what you love🐟🎣🐟🎣

  • @patrickmahoney3479
    @patrickmahoney3479 Před 11 měsíci

    Outstanding, epic fishing video. This trip reminds me of sections of the Obed River.

  • @stevehogan8829
    @stevehogan8829 Před 11 měsíci

    You guys had a great time. Clear water, great friends. Beautiful country and Alex caught a real nice Smallmouth. Life doesn't get any better.... well at least not unless you remove a few rocks. lol

  • @claycompton4220
    @claycompton4220 Před 11 měsíci

    John that truly was a "creek fishing adventure'! Those East Tennessee mountain streams are absolutely beautiful!

  • @johnbubbajohnson5630
    @johnbubbajohnson5630 Před 11 měsíci

    It sure looked beautiful there. Thank you for sharing. God bless you and your family and friends...🙏❤🙏❤🙏

  • @chrisdeering1120
    @chrisdeering1120 Před 11 měsíci

    The real world. Thanks guys!!

  • @davekaylor458
    @davekaylor458 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing water to fish, great job presenting it! My season may be over this year, just finished a double spinal fusion with complications, but I can still walk! I have to experience those TN waters someday! God bless you and your friends!

  • @jackiemason2145
    @jackiemason2145 Před 11 měsíci

    Absolutely amazing video beautiful scenery and I enjoyed it

  • @media1groupDC
    @media1groupDC Před 11 měsíci

    Never up never in boys! 20-years from now you'll have this Kodak moment. Keep rock'in!

  • @michaeltichonuk2176
    @michaeltichonuk2176 Před 11 měsíci

    Ohhh...the scenery came through alright! Trust me Bro, it came through Beautifully! 😁

  • @kenbennett1962
    @kenbennett1962 Před 3 měsíci

    That is so awesome thank you for sharing the beautiful country you all are so blessed

  • @heavenbound358
    @heavenbound358 Před 11 měsíci

    Great video. Reminds me of all the sore backs dragging my crawdad

  • @bluebullbt
    @bluebullbt Před 11 měsíci

    Great video. You 3 are fun to watch together.

  • @steveknipp1220
    @steveknipp1220 Před 11 měsíci

    I found myself at one point leaning forward in my chair, rocking trying to help you get over some of those rocks john, ridiculous huh? I guess i was just getti g into the video! Thanks for the hard work.

  • @CanoeAngler
    @CanoeAngler Před 11 měsíci

    Beautiful country and fun times with friends. Priceless

  • @analogoutdoors
    @analogoutdoors Před 11 měsíci

    Your channel has been a huge blessing to me.
    I broke my hand the 18th of August, and cannot fish until it heals. I'm fishing vicariously through you, lol.
    Bless you, and keep crankin".

    • @chefjimmie1
      @chefjimmie1 Před 11 měsíci

      Are you kidding? I stopped fishing completely after I found John's channel and have been fishing vicariously through him ever since! It's a lot cheaper and you don't get any mosquito bites!

  • @cubwolf4900
    @cubwolf4900 Před měsícem

    Love the vids ❤

  • @charlesgeorge4391
    @charlesgeorge4391 Před 11 měsíci

    That was a trip of a lifetime great video

  • @benrolison
    @benrolison Před 11 měsíci

    Best video yet, if it was easy anyone could do it. Trails and tribulations produce endurance

  • @bustinfins
    @bustinfins Před 11 měsíci

    Enjoyed the video John! That looked more like work than fishing! Lol!

  • @mikeboyce584
    @mikeboyce584 Před 11 měsíci

    Is crazy adventure John But you're tenacity paid off. Love the shots of the river.

  • @meleagrisgallapavo
    @meleagrisgallapavo Před 11 měsíci

    Like I said before.. don’t mind the rapids but not with all my gear!😳🤣 great vid!

  • @JB-ms9du
    @JB-ms9du Před 11 měsíci

    Great video that was a lot of work

  • @tonycox8746
    @tonycox8746 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Man that water looks great! I Stood in my Shoalie this morning here in Kentucky quite a bit to get more used to doing it. They're pretty stable but y'all were on a pretty gnarly creek lol. Reminded me of the time I fished down Chattahoochee and didn't know anything about it. Tell Alex thanks for reminding me to get floats for my rods and some leashes for my other stuff.

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 Před 11 měsíci +1

    this was good - the viewers have no idea how it really is - the video does not do it justice

    • @CreekFishingAdventures
      @CreekFishingAdventures  Před 11 měsíci

      You know it. That’s always the hard part trying to make the viewers understand what it was like

    • @marthamitchell9452
      @marthamitchell9452 Před 11 měsíci

      Having lived near the Rogue River in southern Oregon I know what those waters can do. At least there weren’t a lot of strainers. My shoulders are both too bad to handle hard paddling although it’s easier than rowing one of the one man pontoon boats. I’m fortunate now that I live next to a reservoir, actually a chain of them, all separated by power dams so the current isn’t too bad. In fact at times you can launch down river and take out upriver without much paddling.

  • @kurtfredregill3324
    @kurtfredregill3324 Před 11 měsíci

    Great scenery clear. Water looks like great time

  • @fishinwithschroeder
    @fishinwithschroeder Před 11 měsíci +1

    Beautiful stream!!

  • @bartfoster1311
    @bartfoster1311 Před 11 měsíci +2

    You gotta paddle through those rough sections! Paddling is the only thing keeping you headed where you want to go. Same with coming in on a wave in the surf, don't stop! There might be a section of the hooch that reminds me a bit of this!

    • @CreekFishingAdventures
      @CreekFishingAdventures  Před 11 měsíci

      Yeah that works but there were so many big boulders right in the path. Didn’t want to ruin or lose more stuff

    • @bartfoster1311
      @bartfoster1311 Před 11 měsíci

      It is really hard to judge how rough the water is from video. As rough as it looked, I would really like to try this section.

  • @bigredsturg
    @bigredsturg Před 11 měsíci

    Big, carbonated swig followed by a hiccup. Me every time. 😂

  • @user-go3bf1yo9o
    @user-go3bf1yo9o Před 11 měsíci +3

    ✋Show of hands, how many people were OOOching* helping get over the rocks?
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    *Technical term

    • @scottfrey2710
      @scottfrey2710 Před 11 měsíci

      Yep.. was shuffling my hips forward a few times trying to help 'em out!! :-)

    • @marthamitchell9452
      @marthamitchell9452 Před 11 měsíci

      🤚I hope he appreciates the help we gave him.

  • @Yellowhammer_Kayak_Anglers
    @Yellowhammer_Kayak_Anglers Před 11 měsíci

    Wow! Alex's rollover (with PFD inflation) was strangely similar to my last video. Thankfully, no one got hurt and we recovered everything too. Keep up the great content!

  • @braaap690
    @braaap690 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice float! Three Shoalies! Cool!

  • @crosscountrybankangler
    @crosscountrybankangler Před 11 měsíci

    This was a wild one for sure, glad you didn’t flip

  • @chipseiler1766
    @chipseiler1766 Před 11 měsíci

    That was totally nuts! Gorgeous, but CRAZY! Not for me but it was amazing to see the handiwork of God even on video. In person that must have been breathtaking. You definitely will never forget this one! Be Blessed and please stay safe!

  • @mikec9606
    @mikec9606 Před 11 měsíci

    That was one for the record books!! Next time you should do an over nighter and camp then paddle out the next day!? Always great stuff!!

  • @harlandeke
    @harlandeke Před 11 měsíci

    I'm guessing this is the Obed? That is gnarly...you all should do a Big South Fork 2-3 day fish and float sometime...now that would be a adventure.

  • @papilloncycles3463
    @papilloncycles3463 Před 11 měsíci

    John That looks like a great float to me, hardship, camaraderie, fish,Success!

  • @jerryplesko9521
    @jerryplesko9521 Před 11 měsíci

    That creek looks like a bit of a challenge .catch those bass and have fun i would ❤🙏 . Good day to Kool of in the water 😂

  • @Davidfca1
    @Davidfca1 Před 11 měsíci

    Great adventure 😊

  • @solutions2exist556
    @solutions2exist556 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love it man! One of your best videos ever. God created a beautiful place for y’all to enjoy and thank you for sharing with us. Talked about snakes at the beginning. Did you see any? God Bless you!

  • @johnnyweaver1300
    @johnnyweaver1300 Před 11 měsíci

    The only way to have seen all the beauty was to go down it, those huge boulders was amazing, it was great & a lot of hard work, definitely not meant to go by yourself, glad you had some friends, I bet you slept good that night! 👍🎣

  • @jeffhawkins1191
    @jeffhawkins1191 Před 11 měsíci

    That river can’t get much pressure. Enjoyed the watch

  • @CarolinaBassHunter
    @CarolinaBassHunter Před 11 měsíci

    Since I know my vehicle is good to go now I can make a trip up there sometime!! It did great in the mountains.

  • @yepyepuhhuh
    @yepyepuhhuh Před 11 měsíci

    That was definitely an Adventure.

  • @johnwhite993
    @johnwhite993 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Beautiful place to be. Would love to do a camping float through there

  • @CarolinaBassHunter
    @CarolinaBassHunter Před 11 měsíci

    I noticed when I was up there in the mountains the rapids are sometimes impossible bc of the elevation change. My river is flatter so it's different. Going up I mean. You can go down unless it's like a waterfall of course.

  • @rayhollingsworth2588
    @rayhollingsworth2588 Před měsícem

    That is a beautiful creek!!

  • @stephenkeown3707
    @stephenkeown3707 Před 11 měsíci

    The Ultimate Creek Fishing Adventure!

  • @EngineeringHooksets
    @EngineeringHooksets Před 11 měsíci

    Thats a fun float!

  • @bbcustomoutdoors
    @bbcustomoutdoors Před 11 měsíci

    Man, y’all earned those fish! That was one of the prettiest rivers I’ve ever seen you on. Way to go the extra mile!

  • @boxingstarcmbballer8797
    @boxingstarcmbballer8797 Před 11 měsíci

    There ya go Creek swimming adventure with tons of smallmouth action might be the best float ever

  • @heavenbound358
    @heavenbound358 Před 11 měsíci

    Bet you boys slept good that night!!! Been there, done that....

  • @SouthernRiverFishing
    @SouthernRiverFishing Před 11 měsíci

    What kayak fishing is all about right there! You definitely need a longer painter, much longer.

  • @IrishRebel88
    @IrishRebel88 Před 11 měsíci

    Me and my buddies have done some stupid stuff in the name of finding good (or better) fishing. We survived it, but YMMV any time you're out there in the wild places doing cool stuff. At least you guys are smart enough not to do it alone.

  • @anthonybieryla6635
    @anthonybieryla6635 Před 11 měsíci

    I rhino lined the underside of my kayak just so I can drag it without worry. You can get stuff you do at home and it works great

  • @jessevowell2554
    @jessevowell2554 Před 11 měsíci

    Love some Alex Rudd

  • @1jimif
    @1jimif Před 11 měsíci

    I have an Outcast pac 1000 one man pontoon boat, it's great for places like this! The drawback is it's harder to row against the current than a kayak, I also live in N. Florida so there's the gator vs inflatable issue, but I still use it and I'm still alive lol
    ..FishOn.....jimi

  • @independentthinker8930
    @independentthinker8930 Před 11 měsíci

    Alex had what we call a yard sale!

  • @brandonpotter5174
    @brandonpotter5174 Před 11 měsíci +1

    this is my home creek... literally in my back yard... you were less than 2 miles from my house right there

  • @garrymillwood5507
    @garrymillwood5507 Před 11 měsíci

    I stay on edge the whole video . That would be way too hard for me.

  • @D_A_D_
    @D_A_D_ Před 2 měsíci

    This reminds me of the first real river float I did in a kayak. My wife and I were floating Crooked Creek in northern Arkansas, and I had a massively heavy kayak meant for lake fishing. My wife has terrible balance so I was pulling both of our kayaks. The river was far too low to float at that time so I was pretty much dragging for 8 hours on slick as snot rocks. We got stuck at a spot with really slick exposed bedrock. The only way you could keep your foot from going out from under you was to stick it in these little foot-sized holes in the bedrock.
    There I was, pushing my kayak under a tree, basically exhausted, and all the sudden something happened and I fell, then heard a "POP" in my leg and a searing pain. My first thought was "how am I going to get my wife out of here with a broken leg?" and her first thought was "how am I going to get him out of here with a broken leg?" After a few seconds I realized that it was not broken and that I had just pulled a muscle, which was a huge relief.
    We managed to find a spot with cell service and call the guy who moved our truck for us and he asked "how far past where the creek joins the river did you get" to which we replied "we didn't." We found a spot where he could come and get us and helped us load our kayaks and get out of there.
    I honestly haven't really done a float since. I've fished out of rivers plenty, either just walking it or going somewhere where I can paddle back to the ramp, but I'm a little freaked out after almost breaking my leg in the middle of nowhere when floating unfamiliar water. Going by myself is just intimidating after that, and I don't have any local friends that like to do that kind of thing. I love the idea of river floats, but am a little wigged out after that bad experience.

  • @sailawaybob
    @sailawaybob Před 11 měsíci

    Cool video, me andmy kayak and canoe prefer calm water😂

  • @breakawaybooks4752
    @breakawaybooks4752 Před 11 měsíci

    To portage, or not to portage. THAT is the question!

  • @robmetcalfe8902
    @robmetcalfe8902 Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome place

  • @Tyreelaserweld
    @Tyreelaserweld Před 11 měsíci

    Master Caster!!!!

  • @JackycClark
    @JackycClark Před 11 měsíci

    Halfway thru the video and keep wanting to say the bigger fish might be in the grasses . Wild is good long as nobody gets hurt , big fun .

  • @ronaldshank7589
    @ronaldshank7589 Před 11 měsíci

    I don't remember y'all (Especially you!), ever having such a tough time on a fishing trip! Fish awhile, walk, while trying to guide the Kayaks through those ole rough rapids and rocks, one of your friends accidentally tipping his Kayak (I almost said Canoe!), over, and falling in the Water...man! Y'all had it rough! I don't blame that one guy for saying that he'd never go there again!
    Watching this reminded me of one of the verses out of the 23rd Psalm, which states:"Yea, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death , thou art with me. Thy Rod and thy Staff, they comfort me". Another one that comes to mind, is when Isaiah talked about something that God told him, saying "When you pass through the floods, they won't overflow you...or something like that.
    I'd say that y'all definitely put a couple days worth of effort into one day of fishing and Kayaking on that beast!
    If it'd been me, I probably would've just found one really good place to fish, caught myself some fish, camped out, and had a fish fry for dinner!
    Mind if I borrow yer Cookin' Stove?!? (Hee hee hee hee hee)! Just kidding!
    Y'all have a great, and a blessed, weekend. God bless you and yours!!!

    • @CreekFishingAdventures
      @CreekFishingAdventures  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Yeah it was a rough one. It’s fun to go explore those new places but it can turn into work

  • @boxingstarcmbballer8797
    @boxingstarcmbballer8797 Před 11 měsíci

    Exactly you said it there at end just paddle through keep urself straight and lower seat u can run a lot of that buddy

  • @Pixieshade
    @Pixieshade Před 11 měsíci

    What river was this? South Fork of the Cumberland? Stunning scenery.

  • @stephenrobertson2397
    @stephenrobertson2397 Před 11 měsíci

    The video will never be the same as being there im a hiker love our river trails

  • @smsalex64
    @smsalex64 Před 11 měsíci

    Beautiful location

  • @tomritter493
    @tomritter493 Před 11 měsíci

    That seemed like a rough one for sure