@@MichaelKantormusic more horsepower better brakes better suspension power windshield inverted front forks, all lights are LED that's just a few I could think off the top of my head
@Neil Brown, to add to your list: Cast aluminum frame, slightly longer wheel base, weight is carried low and balanced thus the bike rides and feels lighter, Fox air adjustable monoshock, specifically designed Metzeler Cruisetec tires...
Great honest review Mr. Tall! Next time you visit Zippers performance, ask them how the quality of the Indian motor compares to the stock M8. On your124 build ,Zipper's noted some parts and problems with your low mileage motor that they made you aware of. Harley Davidson should have offered their liquid cooled Vrod engine on other models instead of discontinuing it since it was one of their best motors.
I own a 2019 Chieftain and find the adjustable windshield very useful. During a recent roadtrip, being able to lower the windshield helped with bugs distorting my view while riding back home at night from a 300 mile trip. Because of the light weight of the bike, the Challenger is my next purchase for better handling on the highway against strong crosswinds.
It boiled down to a Indian Chieftin or a SG when I was looking to buy a bike. Over 3 hrs drive to my closest Indian dealer, that decided it for me. They make a solid bike.
very good non bias intial review. I have RG but I'm not married to Harley. I will buy an Indian next time if it's a better motorcycle overall. Who cares about brand ?
Dude, your channel is blowing up! Really cool that Indian loaned you this bike. I'm curious if it will inspire you to switch from HD in the end. Stay tuned to find out! All the best.
certainly a nice looking bike... but indian needs more customization options. (this is a big part of owning a harley... the ability to make it unlike everyone elses)
I feel just owning an Indian already makes it "more rare" whenever i go to rides or shows seems the Harleys dont turn heads as much... Even customized..
There is no denying Harley's vast superiority in aftermarket availability. It is aggravating trying to find the things you want for metrics if even made at all.
Music at the beginning of your videos is best in class!!!! Now that Indian bike is way cool, love it; maybe that bike is in my future. Love the color! Thank you!
Ask the riders on IndianMororcycles.net how many needed to change out or repair the windshield motor. It might eventually break so why have the convenience...?
When I first saw this bike I didn’t like it and I didn’t like the front fairing but the more I see it the more I like it. The body itself is beautiful, the fairing is starting to grow on me, I still think it’s alittle big. I would also change those parts of the bike you mentioned. Thanks for the video.
Great video and you should look into removal of the cat (heat reduce) and install the TAB. The sound changes are something I think you're gonna like. Also maybe some VHines ELIMINATOR SLIP ONS 300. Really popular.
Great video bro, I know u are a true HD guy. But you really gave real props to the Indian. The locking bags are awesome! With HD you gotta get a CVO just to get that,and still not have an adjustable windscreen. I must say Indian is making some great machines,and for a competitive price point. Be safe bro ,peace.
As always a comprehensive and thorough review Tall. One small criticism, re the comments about the handlebar switches. Could you just zoom a bit closer for us old farts whose eyesight ain't QUITE as good as it was! Also would love to hear the horn. One thing HD do well.
Agreed with much of what you said Tall. For me too much plastic. Paint doesn’t hold a candle to Harley’s. The engine, LED and info tech is where we all want OEM bikes to be in this price range. This bike will evolve into an even better beast. Indian will get in it.
Harley also has RDRS,,Cornering Traction control,,Drag torque slip control,,Vehicle hold control,,plus more,,,Indian's are cool,,,but I'll keep My 2020 RGS W/ 131,,,,,Nice Review,,like your channel.
Brother Tall, excellent video and content as usual....really like the location. That Challenger is refined. I agree with you regarding the plastic control housings and passenger floorboards, but the locking fuel cap and hard-bags are outstanding-checkmate! But the price for these bikes nowadays (Harley included) is through the roof. Another very important question for me would be: For a 3-year period, what are the expected maintenance costs for a comparable Harley & Indian ridden the same mileage. Blessings to you. Be well.
Anyone that has had a power windshield on a bike knows how great they are for blocking what mother nature throws at you. I have one on my Trophy SE its truly awesome, get a little warm lower it down, when it pours down you put it up and barely get wet. Harley has some major catching up to do with this bike, at a time when they have crappy sales.
The metzler's it comes with is a pretty big deal. Almost all bikes come from the factory with garbage tires or with decent tires but made cheaply with way less tread depth or just overall crappier construction IE made in a lesser facility.
It a fan... I bought a 2020 but went with road glide limited... the paint jobs look cheaper the saddle bags dash all just has a cheaper look and I hate the handlebars
I almost didn’t even look at this. I’m a little surprised you said anything negative about the Challenger. As Polaris loaned you the bike, you would be like most others and just gush over it so you would receive more in the future. I’m waiting to see an honest review.
7:45. That is what keeps me away from Indian. In my Harley biased perspective. Plastic does not belong on a motorcycle. The windshield. Sure. Anything beyond the saddlebags. No. Nothing else. Again, that's just me. And my biased opinion.
For real? That’s what does it for you is plastic underneath the chrome vs cheap cast metal? That ruins a better handling, smoother riding, harder accelerating, better stereo having, power windscreen, better infotainment system having bike for you? People digging deep to justify what they got for their 30k vs Indian. “Yeah I don’t like the license plate bracket bolts, they just look cheap to me, I’m sticking with HD” SMH!
Try using a leaf blower to dry off after wash, works really well (earplugs required). They need Victory styling on that Indian in a bad way. Not a fan of the look at all. Like the placement of the dash and dials. I am looking to test ride one just to experience it.
how does it compare in power compared to your bike with all the mods? Do you like its power? How about the torque? Your bike is quite a bit more powerful after all the mods, but how is that sport mode comparatively?
I Did a demo ride in Daytona on the challenger, overall the bike was nice and had a ton of torque vs my ultra. However for the money it seemed cheaper made than my Harley and i got some vibration in the handlebars that made it feel like i was riding a dirt bike. Overall i liked the bike, just not enough to justify trading my ultra limited.
i like a lot more about the Indian now that I have seen this video. I do agree a few things should change. I dont like the knob on the brake lever. It should be a little more substantial. Also the passenger should have mini floorboards. Easy fix.
They need to put that warning sticker somewhere other than the tank. Not sure why that is even a law for manufacturers to have to put that thing on motorcycles.
The locking saddlebags and the power windshield are the best part of that bike overall the look is kind of ugly and who puts a big warning sticker on a gas tank
Every Japanese motorcycle I've ever bought has come with a plethora of warning labels on it, including at least one on the tank. Oh, and the Triumph I owned had 'em too.
The power windshield is a major feature on multi-day trips where you hit everything mother nature has to offer.
I test rode a Challenger last weekend. I love Road Glides, but wow did Indian hit a home run..
What was the difference between it and the road glide
@@MichaelKantormusic more horsepower better brakes better suspension power windshield inverted front forks, all lights are LED that's just a few I could think off the top of my head
@Neil Brown, to add to your list:
Cast aluminum frame, slightly longer wheel base, weight is carried low and balanced thus the bike rides and feels lighter, Fox air adjustable monoshock, specifically designed Metzeler Cruisetec tires...
Great honest review Mr. Tall! Next time you visit Zippers performance, ask them how the quality of the Indian motor compares to the stock M8. On your124 build ,Zipper's noted some parts and problems with your low mileage motor that they made you aware of. Harley Davidson should have offered their liquid cooled Vrod engine on other models instead of discontinuing it since it was one of their best motors.
I own a 2019 Chieftain and find the adjustable windshield very useful. During a recent roadtrip, being able to lower the windshield helped with bugs distorting my view while riding back home at night from a 300 mile trip. Because of the light weight of the bike, the Challenger is my next purchase for better handling on the highway against strong crosswinds.
I'm digging those locking saddle bags with the fob. Maybe the street glide will have them one day. Ride safe Tall.
Already has it if you want to overpay for a CVO.
The CVO has it I believe
It boiled down to a Indian Chieftin or a SG when I was looking to buy a bike. Over 3 hrs drive to my closest Indian dealer, that decided it for me. They make a solid bike.
You’re going to love that Indian!
very good non bias intial review.
I have RG but I'm not married to Harley. I will buy an Indian next time if it's a better motorcycle overall. Who cares about brand ?
I'm loving that HD has competition because it just means its better for the consumers for Harley and Indian fans.
One of the best motorcycle channels there is!
Dude, your channel is blowing up! Really cool that Indian loaned you this bike. I'm curious if it will inspire you to switch from HD in the end. Stay tuned to find out! All the best.
certainly a nice looking bike... but indian needs more customization options. (this is a big part of owning a harley... the ability to make it unlike everyone elses)
I feel just owning an Indian already makes it "more rare" whenever i go to rides or shows seems the Harleys dont turn heads as much... Even customized..
I recently bought an Indian and that is the most frustrating part
There is no denying Harley's vast superiority in aftermarket availability. It is aggravating trying to find the things you want for metrics if even made at all.
Criello no matter how much customization you do to a Harley you will always see the same parts.
Music at the beginning of your videos is best in class!!!! Now that Indian bike is way cool, love it; maybe that bike is in my future. Love the color! Thank you!
Agree totally bin the passenger pegs change to boards
Handlebar controls do look cheap, glad you pointed that out. With the intro music and the alley I thought you were in Mexico.
I'm 5-10 and I love love love the adjustable windscreen on my 18 Chieftain.
Hey Mr Tall. My compliments on this video! You sure can put together a location and a fine looking motorcycle!
I like mine it's the base model it has the Chrome accents just doesn't have the GPS no big deal save myself a lot of money.
Awesome!!! Hope you have many great miles ahead!! Ride safely and enjoy 👍👍
This bike is growing on me. Very pretty
I appreciate your honest approach. I'm still not even considering getting rid of my Electra Glide...keep them coming. Be safe and well sir.
Well, I would be wearing out the little motor for the windshield trying to turn right for sure!! 😂
Ask the riders on IndianMororcycles.net how many needed to change out or repair the windshield motor. It might eventually break so why have the convenience...?
Looks like the challenger will be a nice ride on the back roads cruising around that beautiful scenery. Enjoy.
Brake pedal straight out of Victory! I noticed chrome plating around controls looked crappy. Some nice stuff on the Challenger.
That’s a attractive bike .. operated by key fob as well 👍
When I first saw this bike I didn’t like it and I didn’t like the front fairing but the more I see it the more I like it. The body itself is beautiful, the fairing is starting to grow on me, I still think it’s alittle big.
I would also change those parts of the bike you mentioned.
Thanks for the video.
I agree with you on the foot brake and the cheap plastic hand control cube!
Great video and you should look into removal of the cat (heat reduce) and install the TAB. The sound changes are something I think you're gonna like. Also maybe some VHines ELIMINATOR SLIP ONS 300. Really popular.
Tall,
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work, enjoy the bike and I'm excited to see the next adventure. Take care. Shiny side up.
Awesome looking bike!
Another fine vid! Please stay safe!
I'm not a bagger guy, but I think that is a good looking motorcycle. 😀👍
Great video bro, I know u are a true HD guy. But you really gave real props to the Indian. The locking bags are awesome! With HD you gotta get a CVO just to get that,and still not have an adjustable windscreen. I must say Indian is making some great machines,and for a competitive price point. Be safe bro ,peace.
As always a comprehensive and thorough review Tall. One small criticism, re the comments about the handlebar switches. Could you just zoom a bit closer for us old farts whose eyesight ain't QUITE as good as it was! Also would love to hear the horn. One thing HD do well.
Wow. Good luck with it. Be safe and enjoy
I dont know Tall; your eyes were might bright...... More positives than negatives. Travel safe!! N4RED , out!
Tall - love the pictures video work around 10:20.....The Indian works w all the street graffiti....
I’m sold on this bike 👍
Hey tall a Indian riding a Indian ☺
I have an Indian Chief dark horse. Did few rides with the challenger. My next bike lol
aint got nothing on my 19 SG :)
Love the bike, love your content
I want that to be my next bike!!!!
Agreed with much of what you said Tall. For me too much plastic. Paint doesn’t hold a candle to Harley’s. The engine, LED and info tech is where we all want OEM bikes to be in this price range. This bike will evolve into an even better beast. Indian will get in it.
Honestly the fairing is a deal breaker because it looks like the hood of an IROC camero.
Harley also has RDRS,,Cornering Traction control,,Drag torque slip control,,Vehicle hold control,,plus more,,,Indian's are cool,,,but I'll keep My 2020 RGS W/ 131,,,,,Nice Review,,like your channel.
Brother Tall, excellent video and content as usual....really like the location. That Challenger is refined. I agree with you regarding the plastic control housings and passenger floorboards, but the locking fuel cap and hard-bags are outstanding-checkmate! But the price for these bikes nowadays (Harley included) is through the roof. Another very important question for me would be: For a 3-year period, what are the expected maintenance costs for a comparable Harley & Indian ridden the same mileage. Blessings to you. Be well.
I subscribed to you because you're driving the Harley. Indian didn't see me. so I will read my subscription. good trip located.
Anyone that has had a power windshield on a bike knows how great they are for blocking what mother nature throws at you. I have one on my Trophy SE its truly awesome, get a little warm lower it down, when it pours down you put it up and barely get wet. Harley has some major catching up to do with this bike, at a time when they have crappy sales.
The metzler's it comes with is a pretty big deal. Almost all bikes come from the factory with garbage tires or with decent tires but made cheaply with way less tread depth or just overall crappier construction IE made in a lesser facility.
Good video with good info. Thank you!! "I put it in sport mode and havent changed it since" ha ha, totally, sounds like what I would do too....
You are certainly giving it a fair chance...... as I figured you would. 👍
I love the red it just pops. @7:34 you didn’t know Toad was behind you? 😂
It a fan... I bought a 2020 but went with road glide limited... the paint jobs look cheaper the saddle bags dash all just has a cheaper look and I hate the handlebars
Man that road glide looks just like my road glide lol. Jk it’s a beautiful bike but man they owe Harley some money for the copyright.
I guess car makers owe Ford copyright money then 👌
cowboy29406 sure do buddy. I also hope they no how to take a joke too 😉
Using that logic, Harley Davidson owes money to BMW.
Love the colour, and I do hope that the after market parts makers bring out the bling.
For the price, it should have a trunk. I agree on the passenger floorboards. No heel shifter either.
How do like the position of the bars? How they come back and look is strange looking to me.
Thanks for the review.
Love that color, enjoyed the review.
Come on out to San Diego. I’ll show you some local riding around here. Nice rides in the backcountry
I wish there was a dealership closer to me so I could check one of these out. Nice hat!
I almost didn’t even look at this. I’m a little surprised you said anything negative about the Challenger. As Polaris loaned you the bike, you would be like most others and just gush over it so you would receive more in the future. I’m waiting to see an honest review.
7:45. That is what keeps me away from Indian. In my Harley biased perspective. Plastic does not belong on a motorcycle. The windshield. Sure. Anything beyond the saddlebags. No. Nothing else. Again, that's just me. And my biased opinion.
Agreed! Overall paint quality, fit and finish looked a step down next to the Harley RG. Or any Harley.
Fairing? Lowers?
Side covers?
For real? That’s what does it for you is plastic underneath the chrome vs cheap cast metal? That ruins a better handling, smoother riding, harder accelerating, better stereo having, power windscreen, better infotainment system having bike for you? People digging deep to justify what they got for their 30k vs Indian. “Yeah I don’t like the license plate bracket bolts, they just look cheap to me, I’m sticking with HD” SMH!
Well now i want to ride one 😁 nice looking bike. Wish we had a dealership close by🤔
Thanks...Nice job…Thanks for sharing...
Hope you and your family are doing well .
Try using a leaf blower to dry off after wash, works really well (earplugs required). They need Victory styling on that Indian in a bad way. Not a fan of the look at all. Like the placement of the dash and dials. I am looking to test ride one just to experience it.
how does it compare in power compared to your bike with all the mods? Do you like its power? How about the torque? Your bike is quite a bit more powerful after all the mods, but how is that sport mode comparatively?
You just rode by my house in the pouring rain!
Just went back out to finish the video I started earlier and it rained again! Rained on twice in one day! : )
I Did a demo ride in Daytona on the challenger, overall the bike was nice and had a ton of torque vs my ultra. However for the money it seemed cheaper made than my Harley and i got some vibration in the handlebars that made it feel like i was riding a dirt bike. Overall i liked the bike, just not enough to justify trading my ultra limited.
Could swear I seen you in west Texas in a small town of Toyah a few months back
Lol, Tall you look like you were doing something wrong in that alley b/c you kept looking away from the camera as if the cops were looking for you...
Thanks for the review
Nice Polaris 👍🏻
i like a lot more about the Indian now that I have seen this video. I do agree a few things should change. I dont like the knob on the brake lever. It should be a little more substantial. Also the passenger should have mini floorboards. Easy fix.
Sir you ever been told you look like Dr. Dre. I'm sure you have. By the way very nice bike, I myself have have a 19 cheiftain.
My keyster will never hit the saddle on an Indian, I can add or take away things and go from a normal SG to make it look like an EG,
Do you like it more than your Street Glide? Is it faster than you Harley with the 124 kit?
They need to put that warning sticker somewhere other than the tank. Not sure why that is even a law for manufacturers to have to put that thing on motorcycles.
Great looking bike. Have you tested a Diavel 1260 already?
Can you show us how deep the pockets are on the fairing. Will it fit a galaxy note in there? Thanks man
How do you like the GoPro gooseneck and handlebar clamp. Been thinking abut getting one.
There are too many electronics on this bike.
So get yourself a classic. New bikes aren’t for you then.
They have an extended reach seat!
Man just convert from Harley-Davidson to Indian.
I'm afraid to try one out😂
The locking saddlebags and the power windshield are the best part of that bike overall the look is kind of ugly and who puts a big warning sticker on a gas tank
Every Japanese motorcycle I've ever bought has come with a plethora of warning labels on it, including at least one on the tank. Oh, and the Triumph I owned had 'em too.
How does the motor compare to you 124?
I have an Indian Springfield, and I will never buy another Indian motorcycle. I wouldn't even take a brand new free one.
Are you surprised by how much you like the Challenger?
Two questions. Does it have a Sirius xm option and 2 compared to road glide what do u think
Hello Tall from NC
I've heard the fenders rust within months
HD has far better paint, but fenders rusting within months is nonsense.
I used to own an Indian.never again.Ill stick with Harley.The quality just doesn,t compare with Harley Davidson.Just my opinion.
Agreed. Cheap! I had a cheiftain and their stuff is just cheaply made.
How do you like having the turn signal on one side compared to your street glide?
I've been away from the channel,do you buy the Indian?
Any difference on braking between Challenger & Harley?
(Your intro) Lol what's easier to wash, a Harley Davidson or an Indian?
🤘⚡️🤘
i am HD Fan, You are HD Fan ... We Both Love and Own HD .... Then why TALL why ???>
Any updates on the kick flip seat on sg?
Does it have an adjustable shock like the chieftain?
Adjustable, but not air adjusted. It’s hydraulic and you adjust it with a wrench (toolkit comes with one). Very quick and easy.