Pavel Datsyuk or Sergei Fedorov? | Detroit Red Wings Talk
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Darren McCarty and Neal Ruhl discuss who the better player was between Pavel Datsyuk and Sergei Fedorov. Both players accomplished greatness during their time with the Detroit Red Wings. Which player (Datsyuk or Fedorov) do you believe was better during their time? Like, Subscribe, and leave your comments below!
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Well done!
I’ll tell you this; McCarty scored probably the greatest Stanley Cup winning goal in history. And I was there with my dad. Will never forget it. Thank you Darren !
Man, the inside out goal spin jump hands up celly will never leave my mind.
We have had such fortune as fans to even be having this discussion. But for me, Pavel Datsyuk was an artist on an entirely different level. He was poetry in motion. And then pair that astounding skill with his humble personage and selflessness. He is a once in a lifetime talent and I loved every moment watching him play.
As someone who watched both eras, Pavel. One of the top 5 most skilled guys in NHL history imo.
You hear "Datsyukian" used as an adjective, not "Sergeian".
Fed is still one of the best to wear the wheel though.
Fedorov……when he was at the top of his game he was unbelievable 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Love them both, but I always said pav was like Barry Sanders on ice
Datsyuk is one of the most complete players to ever play the game.
So was Fedorov
The problem is so was Federov, he had a Norris contending moment when he was asked to play D. Datsyuk was more dynamic, Federov just made it look easy, both were great.
Another player like this I hate to admit being die hard wings fan but Forsberg. Complete player
Ever since Datsyuk left the wings have been boring. He was the most exciting player I’ve ever seen play the game.
I was always struck at Pavel's pure ability to take the puck away from guys at will, then he would go on the offensive, deke the skates off of whom ever he pleased and then make the goalie feel some kind of way about his own abilities to stop a puck. You can't say one was better than the other but you can say holy shit these two were apex hockey players in two different styles. Sergei would coast to coast the shit out of a puck, with such speed, great handles and great protection, to the point of breaking all containment that a team could put on a guy and then make the goalie feel some kind of way about his own skills. I feel very happy i could watch the full careers of each guy with the wings.
In a way he ruined the game for me. I keep hoping for the next player with his talent but they never come. Even todays best players are boring compared to him.
@@KB-qk7kn wow I never thought of that but I actually feel the same way. In todays nhl the best players are boring compared to what we used to watch pavel do
Him and Z were untouchable when they were on the ice together
It's a different situation now, but some of the moves Seider did this year got gasps from the crowd which is something we haven't heard since Pav left.
LOVE them both- for me Sergei was the most electric player I’ve ever seen in person. The Wings were blessed to have both of them. FYI I’m a Wings guy but live in the Seattle area now- hence the Kraken logo. I really really hope #91 is lifted to the rafters soon. It shouda been at JLA but make it fuckin happen at LCA.
Retire 91
Would've loved to see what prime Fedorov would have done without the two line pass rule
He would have been ridiculous. He would have put up crazy numbers . To me prime feds was the most complete player I've seen .
I think Datsyuk was incredibly strong especially in his legs - lower body why he was so hard to knock down or off the puck
Datsyuk. He's the most skilled player to ever touch the ice by a country mile, its not even close. Not knocking Fedorov either, its just Datsyuk was in a league of his own. And if Datsyuk wasn't injured in the finals in 2009, I strongly believe the wings would have won back to back cups.
No doubt that the Wings would have won 09 if Pav was healthy
This may be a year late...but no way. Fedorov had the skating, the shot, the hockey sense, the defense, the size.
Also came up WAY more clutch than Datsyuk in important games. Datsyuk was knocked for his playoff vanishing act the first half of his career.
Fair if you think #13, but not by a "country mile". Thats insane.
I think the key to this question is how it's phrased. If it was "who was the better hockey player," then it's a tough call and you can go into what made each of them great. The question was "who amazed you more" which to me would be Pavel, without a second thought. Dude was the Magic Man because he left you in awe at what was possible.
1994 Sergie Federov is on my all NHL team.
Great question and great debate topic. DMac hit it on the nose, two best physically gifted hockey players we have ever seen. Only thing I wish is that Fedorov wasn’t such an enigma. If Sergei would have given it 💯 throughout his career he’d be in the topic of top 5 players all-time. We saw what he could do when he turned it on. ‘98 playoffs when he had a $25 million bonus at stake he was unstoppable. ‘94 when he was the man while Yzerman was out he was MVP. The list is endless. Both were good on defense but edge to Pavel. Stickhandling goes to Pavel but you didn’t see anyone handle the puck like Pavel before he was in the league. Edge in shot to Fedorov, but to be fair that really wasn’t Datsyuk’s game. Both players were amazing to watch and we were lucky as DRW fans to see them
No wrong answer. Top 100 players. Sergei, when motivated, I’d give a slight edge.
Same. He was truly unbelievable when he was on his game.
I miss pav. Childhood hero other than favre
Dasyuk
Pav is the better player if that's what we're asking. If I'm starting a team tomorrow, post SY, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Pav, Konstantinov, Federov, Zetterberg, Shanahan
1. Lidstrom 2.Yzerman 3. Datsyuk 4.Hasek 5. Federov are the best Red Wings I ever watched Live.
Probert, Maltby, Kronwall ,Draper, DMac. Kocur
Good thing were on the same team Joe! lol LGRW!!
@@efogg3 While my list was about the most skilled, Probert will always be my favorite Red Wing of all time.
I would switch Hasek with Zetterberg for me and at 1. Datsyuk and 2. Yzerman.
@@nikanconqueror7 he's average Joe what do you expect lol
1.Datsyuk
2. Yzerman
3. Lidstrom
4. Fedorov
5. Hasek
You could switch Fedorov and Hasek either way i see them at 4 or 5.
The last time the wings made the playoffs was the last year datsyuk was there. I don't think people realize how much zetterberg and datsyuk were propping up a bad roster after Lidstrom retired. We remember fedorov leaving during the height of the wings talent. We remember zetterberg and datsyuk leaving at the decline. Z and dat had to be separated and log 20 minutes a game just to keep things on the rails. When they were linemates is when we really saw the brilliance
Fedorov, nothin against Pavs, but Fedorov is most complete player ever
Interesting to hear others opinions.. but i think the same with Datsyuk complete game to me is just all around great player and Two-way Forward and Datsyuk had great defence compared to Fedorov imo who had a more offensive mindset.
@@nikanconqueror7 Pavel played mostly in Babcocks Possession No-Hit League system that slowed his scoring, but Feds played all 3 Forwards, D-man, PK, & was known for D & Speed before his offense
@@DC8091 the stats don't lie. And neither do the selkes.
@@DC8091 also federov was on a better team at that respective time
@@DC8091 without Datsyuk the wings would have been absolute trash, and he was brought up late at 23 or 24 yrs old.
I think it boils down to differences physically between the two, kind of like what McCarty alluded to. I think Federov was more physically gifted, could rely more on his physical gifts, whereas Pav was more creative and gifted mentally, had to always be thinking. I've heard Pav described as a genius by many people, including interviews with other NHL players, because his intelligence and creative were off the charts, but I've never heard anybody describe Fedorov as a genius (that was Larionov), for Fedorov's physical gifts were so great that he could do anything.
How I would describe it is-Fedorov's star burned brighter, but Pav's star burned longer. If I had to pick one to win a game, I'd choose Fedorov. When Fedorov was on, he was on like no one else. But there will always be his lack of consistency, whereas Pav was always consistent. I can't recall a game where I thought that Pav didn't show up. So if I had to pick one for an entire season's worth of play, I'd choose Pav.
Pavel was my favorite they haven’t been the same since he left
Sergi played defence for a while, THAT's well rounded.
Today I will watch seek to watch footage from the Federov, Datsyuk days…plus Yzerman. Glory days, great player’s. Legends all!!!
Pavel Datsyuk has the best hands I’ve ever seen, Federov is the best two way forward ever, this is impossible.
Datsyuk was the better two way forward.
Datsyuk 3 selkes.
Fedorov 2 selkes.
Case closed.
@@stopdroolin8418 so what Fedorov has 2 of those too, plus a Hart and Ted Lindsay. The guy literally played defense for the Wings. Pavel never did.
@@stopdroolin8418 FYI Fedorov won 2 Selke trophies in 94 and 96 so your statement is wrong.
@@michaelclaiborne5368 I still think Datsyuk is the best Two-way forward of all time but thats just my opinion.
@@michaelclaiborne5368 what are you talking about? If he did then why didn't he win another selke trophy?
Datsyuk is literally one of the GOATs. His numbers weren't flashy but his defense was so good that he nullified guys like Crosby and Malkin.
And Fedorov could switch back to D, at any time, and be their second best Dman after Lidstrom. Hard question to answer.
@@kftc1980 he was similar to Datsyuk in that regard, no doubt. I remember him doing it, but his defense wasn't as good as Datsyuk's
@@CertifiedClapaholic hard to say. Datsyuk could do anything with his hands and create turnovers, but Fedorov had the mobility to contain or chase anyone down. There are many ways to dominate defensively, just contrast Lidstrom with Scott Stevens. For forwards, compare Datsyuk with Claude Lemieux or Esa Tikkanen. All effective defensively, yet all different.
Mark Stone is a contemporary who has a Datsyukian approach, constantly picking peoples pockets with perfect timing.
@@kftc1980 Not really mark stone is nowhere near that level. The closest would be Bergeron and even he's not.
@@stopdroolin8418 I specifically highlighted picking pockets, aka takeaways. Look up NHL takeaways leaders by season. The two highest totals ever are Datsyuk. The 3rd and 4th are Stone.
Red Wings should hire McCarty to teach wings like Rasmussen, Seidel how to fight. They’ll be going after Morris from now on, and can you imagine a tough Rasmussen. Plus Sunquist seems willing and Wallander, Edvinsson definitely better be able to hold his own or he’ll be injured and ruined !!
Federov will always be my favorite Red Wing. And that's taking nothing away from Datsyuk who was incredibly skilled. Sergey could do everything at high speed. Remind Darrin that people are still watching his immaculate goal on youtube
Рад видеть тебя Даррен, здоровья тебе!
I was amazed at Federov and had his Posters everywhere when he came out...when Datsyuk started my favorite Red Wing player of all times changed. Fedorov was way more dynamic an offense player than Datsyuk but the Magician was skilled all around...in my opinion that's what made Datsyuk the best overall player for the DRW of all times.
Yup i had that white russian poster on my wall. Everyone wanted to be Sergei, he was the man.
Sergei will always be my favorite player. He was end to end the best in the league in his time. But that doesnt take anything away from Pavel who was sublime
Fedorov with the MVP. He was slightly better offensively and definitely, skating, dude was unreal.
Patrick Roy said fedorov shot was the hardest shot in the league
We were blessed here in Michigan with some amazing Russian hockey players and DMACK!
Sergi was one of my favorite wings 🙌🏾
How is a 102mph slapper not heavy? Both were amazing and I could not pick one. Pav has the best hands in the history of the game and I think Sergei is the best skater in the history of the game (yes, better than McDavid) I agree with McCarty....you cannot choose.
Fedorov 100%
Datsyuk and Federov.... Pretty close. Federov had a 5 goal game, an overtime winner to win 5 to 4. Datsyuk just did some ridiculous things though. McDavid is clearly the best ever. Crosby is on the all-time JV team.
Darren Mc destroying Claude Lemieux was one of the most exhilarating moments of standup (Drapes) I’ve ever seen. Thank you D-Mac!!! I still hate the Avalanche!
Can you imagine if Datsyuk and Fedorov were linemates both in their prime?!?! AND their would have been more cups I bet...
Federov was so good skating you could play him on defense. Datsyuk had better hands, but Sergei was the better skater.
He was not as smooth of a skater as Datsyuk
@stopdroolin8418 I completely disagree. I think you meant it the other way around.
I love Fed, but Pav is the GOAT!
Pavel had the slinky moves and agility of a circus acrobat, but Sergei had the raw speed of a sprinter. The Wings desperately need BOTH skills to compete.
Federov and it’s not even close.
Federov...
Fedorov, this one is easy.
Sergei not Sergi.
#91 by a mile
Players don’t even wear their numbers out of respect anyway so just send the banners up already.
If the RedWing's haven't gotten a coach yet why not GM., Stevie Yzerman he should consider it at least.?
Fedorov > datsyuk
He didn't have a hard shot? Fedz shot it at 101, the same as OVI.
Fedorov. Datsyuk was good, but he wasn’t Fedorov good.