How ish created the Perfect Minecraft Civilization

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  • čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
  • anyone who enjoys inukai-san's dog needs to be locked up in an insane asylum. Also Re:Zero is peak isekai, with Mushoku Tensei being a very close second.
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    ish is one of the most successful MInecraft Civilization CZcamsrs and one of the best Minecraft CZcamsrs in general, beating out names like Dream, TommyInnit, ClownPierce, SpeedSilver, MinuteTech, MagicGum, Sword4000, Sipover, and other youtubers that are good for the algorithm, but what makes his videos so successful? In this video, we will be going over what makes ish's videos stand out from the rest.
    Chapters
    00:00 - Intro
    00:57 - The Lack of an Objective
    02:13 - Emphasis on Roleplaying
    03:15 - The Lack of Difficulty in Surviving
    05:03 - Why ish's narration is great
    08:00 - The Reprisal of Music
    09:36 - Outro
    #minecraft #minecraftcivilization #civilization
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Komentáře • 802

  • @ish
    @ish Před 9 měsíci +9484

    I just love it when people notice what I do with music! haha great video sir 👍👍

    • @YKS2014
      @YKS2014 Před 9 měsíci +266

      Oh my god 😮

    • @grahamlamb2736
      @grahamlamb2736 Před 9 měsíci +271

      Improve your upload schedule ish!!

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher  Před 9 měsíci +1048

      Holy shit this means so much ty!

    • @TorvoTheMighty
      @TorvoTheMighty Před 9 měsíci +69

      Bro was here early

    • @knights4eva981
      @knights4eva981 Před 9 měsíci +84

      Bro U r legit the only one who will take an important characters last words, scour the Internet for the song that contains them, and use it in the final act. Ur Insane.

  • @SpenceyWencey-tz7lp
    @SpenceyWencey-tz7lp Před 9 měsíci +3650

    In my opinion, the thing that makes Ish’s videos better than the others is the climax. Instead of forcing a war at the end that all players knew would happen, Ish allowed the players to do what they want, resulting in a much more organic climax and then a more emotional ending.

    • @peterlewis2178
      @peterlewis2178 Před 8 měsíci +333

      To be fair, he did nudge the war in the most recent video. He definitely wasn't hands-off for that. I mean, the war was gonna happen regardless, but he sort of decided when and where it would happen, and semi-forced some groups to join it instead of doing their own separate wars, because he wanted there to be a climactic battle.

    • @imlimpoism9260
      @imlimpoism9260 Před 8 měsíci +107

      ish does actually force certain things to not happen for the "plot"

    • @EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle
      @EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle Před 8 měsíci +183

      Subtlety is key. He gives them a gentle nudge rather than an admin deus ex machina.

    • @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain
      @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain Před 7 měsíci +27

      That's quite literally what he doesn't do, people in his last event came out to say how scripted and fake it was, especially the last battle brah he's a fraud 😂

    • @peterlewis2178
      @peterlewis2178 Před 7 měsíci +156

      @@UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain That's not true at all. Yes, the last battle was nudged and felt a little scripted for some people, but other than that, the actual event was entirely player-led and extremely organic, apart from player pre-planning.
      Now, there were a number of things he changed for the video, but that's just a matter of adaptation. It's like adapting a novel into a movie. You're gonna cut out, add, and change some things to make it work in the new medium. And that's what he did. But the actual event was by and large unscripted, and players had tons of freedom.
      This is speaking as someone who was in the event, survived to the end, and decided for story reasons to not participate in the final war.

  • @NateObrien33
    @NateObrien33 Před 9 měsíci +730

    In my opinion it works the best because every player literally can make themselves the main character. You can lead a powerful nation or try to destroy one. Its great to be a part of.

    • @xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx
      @xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx Před 8 měsíci +52

      for me, the greatest stories are those with no main characters, because then everyone is their own main character. Off-topic but that's exactly why FF6 is my favorite Final Fantasy

    • @theflightlessalbatross3415
      @theflightlessalbatross3415 Před 8 měsíci +47

      Or you could start a fried chicken restaurant!

    • @not_pockchan3418
      @not_pockchan3418 Před 7 měsíci +13

      @@theflightlessalbatross3415LPH >>>>>

  • @uberlord983
    @uberlord983 Před 9 měsíci +2464

    One of the greatest parts about Ish's videos are how the villains feel... natural.
    Case in point, with the video you used as Ish's example, Elanuelo felt like a genuine character first, a villain second.
    He had his own ideals as to how his kingdom should be handled, ideals viewers can somewhat resonate with. But its through equally genuine turns of events that you see Elanuelo's character begin to turn for the worse, & you see him begin to do increasingly unhinged things in order to protect his ideals, without him stopping to realize what he's doing for them.
    In contrast, most "villains" in other people's civilizations videos stem from some form of 'Bwaah, I lost the election phase, so rather than respect that people don't like my leadership style, I'm gonna utterly derail our team's chances of winning for my own benefit." A lot of them boil down to "[Candidate Who Didn't Win X], teamed up with {Random Player Y], waltzed up to [Team Leader Z], assassinated them in broad daylight, & somehow the people just... accepted them as the new leader of their group." No suspicion, no repercussion, nothing. That feels way more scripted, especially when its been done to death by this point.

    • @javajawa9068
      @javajawa9068 Před 9 měsíci +146

      i completely agree, and it definitely doesn’t help when it’s the same exact players doing it each time on some of these channels, but are allowed to keep being in the events due to them becoming popular or being mods.

    • @uberlord983
      @uberlord983 Před 9 měsíci +80

      @@javajawa9068 Yeah, when it comes to SpeedSilver's events & Ize, the fact that Ize only shows in Silver's videos, & given his main trait is his drowning toxicity, it really makes you question whether its just a persona, or if he's really as toxic as he seems.

    • @physical_insanity
      @physical_insanity Před 9 měsíci +29

      Elanuelo did nothing wrong (sort of, kinda).

    • @KaiCaesarUSNB
      @KaiCaesarUSNB Před 9 měsíci +33

      @@uberlord983Fortunately, Ize’s toxicity IS just a persona.

    • @_aWiseMan
      @_aWiseMan Před 8 měsíci +32

      Same with solev in most of ishs videos. He's a tyrant but he genuinely wants the good for his people.

  • @WhaleMilk
    @WhaleMilk Před 9 měsíci +1206

    I think one of the most incredible things Ish manages to do, which he first did in his Prison video and hasn't really done to the same extent since, is he uses god damn leitmotifs by use of the stems Epidemic Sounds provides you with use of specific sounds. In certain places during the prison video, certain melodies or instrumentals from specific songs are used to signal certain ideas or characters, such as the warden, and when the climax of those stories arise, he uses the full song which he took that stem from, which is absolutely insane. I don't think I've ever seen a youtuber soundtrack quite like that.

    • @V0RTA
      @V0RTA Před 9 měsíci +43

      I can see how Ish can be a perfect cinematographer for a Hollywood movie.

    • @ItsYourBedTime686
      @ItsYourBedTime686 Před 9 měsíci +21

      The prison video was the video that made me watched his content. And I've watched that video a lot before the 1000 players civilization event.

    • @Lanetgm
      @Lanetgm Před 9 měsíci +1

      One of the song called a magic moon played during elano rising to power

    • @peterlewis2178
      @peterlewis2178 Před 8 měsíci +12

      He also will modify the music slightly to fit the moment or cut the video to fit the music. In his breakdown of the 1000 player civilization video, he talked about one particular moment where he added a sound to the music to make it more impactful/ominous. And in the example shown in this video of the sand trap, you can see how the player death sounds all happened on beat.

    • @Fem_V
      @Fem_V Před 8 měsíci +1

      As is mentioned in the video.
      Until the end, the song is perfect.
      One thing to note other than how it became an anthem, the way the battle of aculon was shot without narrative, just the music, players' occasional voices, and the scenes REALLY brought the strength of the scene amplified by the song's tune.
      Ish is simply very very good at production, albeit he nudged a few things in that event, it's still a very good product, music can amplify emotions, and ish knows how to use that.

  • @toodrew8620
    @toodrew8620 Před 9 měsíci +574

    I think another key thing that not many people talk about is how ish balances player enjoyment during the event and quality of the outcome. Almost every other civ event owner forces players to go down the standard path like you said and ish doesnt. Sometimes its messy but ish does a good job picking and choosing what to include to make a good story as well as adding sometimes false details to make a messy plot more complete.

  • @Meatlafablaka
    @Meatlafablaka Před 9 měsíci +340

    Since Minecraft itself doesn't have a set objective (unless if you count freeing the end) I also think its a wise choice by ish to not require players to complete any set tasks. It keeps the Minecraft's original charm while adding on his own spin to it.

  • @YKS2014
    @YKS2014 Před 9 měsíci +1230

    I’d actually consider Igblons space civilization video as the perfect example that civ youtubers should take inspiration from.

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher  Před 9 měsíci +326

      igblon is pretty good in his own right, i actually plan on making a video about him, his space civilization video is definitely the most interesting progression wise

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher  Před 9 měsíci +272

      However, I would also say that igblon's civilization video only worked due to the sheer amount of content that nomifactory had, and other civilization videos with simpler mods don't have the same appeal as igblon's

    • @BaronessZen
      @BaronessZen Před 9 měsíci +61

      Just watched it. I def want more export modded servers in the future. I think the inherent grindiness and definite tiers helped shape the story of space civ into what it was. But I wish we got to see what the other non-combatant factions were up to. My favorite things in civilization are stuff like the resturaunt a and taverns, but that’s because that’s what I’d do. I also don’t like igblon’s editing style, so I hope other CZcamsr’s tackle this kind of civ video

    • @justit1074
      @justit1074 Před 9 měsíci +13

      the gregtech youtuber? yeah it was kinda confusing to watch tbh, and i feel like his videos rely to much on sensory overload in the form of bombarding the audience with memes to be interesting.
      not that im complaining

    • @LordGui_
      @LordGui_ Před 9 měsíci +6

      ​@@justit1074i didnt like the memes that much so i basicly ignored them, but the video was pretty entertaining even without them

  • @Jay2480
    @Jay2480 Před 9 měsíci +209

    I was in a civilisation event and it lasted about an hour before a team learned that they could build over the barriers separating civilisations and killed everyone.

    • @cyrusmann5443
      @cyrusmann5443 Před 6 měsíci +8

      damn that youtuber did not know what he was doing

    • @Jay2480
      @Jay2480 Před 6 měsíci +8

      @@cyrusmann5443 yeppp

    • @tcavelifts
      @tcavelifts Před 4 měsíci +2

      What yt?

  • @Flametric
    @Flametric Před 9 měsíci +161

    I personally think that other civ videos aren't that bad (hell, I even like SpeedSilver's videos). It's just that Ish's amazing talent in storytelling and suspense is what make his videos stand out the rest, and it's something that everyone can agree on.

    • @xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx
      @xX_DarkPriestessDemonDragon_Xx Před 8 měsíci +18

      for me though personally I just can't watch anyother civ video that isn't ish's anymore. I tried to find more after watching all of ish's videos, but I would click off about five minutes in.

  • @imtherat8113
    @imtherat8113 Před 9 měsíci +119

    i always love how in Ish's videos the conflicts are caused by people being people and just trying to survive and fulfill their ideolgies. So much more entertaining and natural than the other ones who make forced conflicts that make it feel like its a Hypixel minigame on a large scale

  • @cloud786x8
    @cloud786x8 Před 9 měsíci +98

    I think another very important thing to note that makes ish simply better, is his way ability to structure his stories. If you watched some of his analysis streams you would know that some events were put out of order, and some lines/scenes were rerecorded or slightly altered. These slight changes make his videos way more interesting to watch, as it changes the feeling of a bunch of people play a game together to a well thought out movie. He is able to take events that happened in his experiment and turn them into a well written story.

    • @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain
      @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain Před 7 měsíci

      Ish is a fraud he lightly scripts most his civilization videos so he can get, in his words, "a good storyline" its not a real experiment

  • @physical_insanity
    @physical_insanity Před 9 měsíci +43

    Ish is basically just a passive observer watching the world unfold. The fact he doesn't do anything special is what makes it so great, because it feels _real._ When I watch the videos, I see a lot of similarities with how things unfold in the real world. It's unpredictable and *_anything_* could happen next, to the point that it feels like I'm watching real history. Almost every other "experiment" just feels rigged and you can basically see how things would pan out from the start, but ish's are something I always look forward to because of how unique they end up being.

    • @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain
      @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain Před 7 měsíci

      Ish is a fraud he lightly scripts most his civilization videos so he can get, in his words, "a good storyline" its not a real experiment

  • @n4me485
    @n4me485 Před 8 měsíci +62

    It was pretty annoying when I randomly got back into Minecraft and stumbled upon civilization videos, naturally MagicGum and Ish were the first that I was recommended as they were the most popular, but man trying to find good Civilization vids after that has been hard... Like the video says, it's always a gimmick and an objective that creates a predictable pattern in these videos, but I still think about Ish's Prison video and the moment when the guy jumped off.
    Isn't it crazy? I hardly remember the context but that moment alone is burned into my memory because of how POWERFUL it was.

  • @LukeHartman-nd1gy
    @LukeHartman-nd1gy Před 9 měsíci +93

    I agree, ish did something I really respect, he actually simulated civilization. In all other videos it was last man standing, and constant war, but ish let it play out, there were times of peace, and small conflicts, and in the 1000 people one, it all lead up to a world war. The great aculon war wasn’t even force apon the players (unless it was scripted, but even then it would be great story writing) by some weird event the admins planned, but by natural cuases

    • @vardiganxpl1698
      @vardiganxpl1698 Před 8 měsíci +15

      Agreed. This is why I don't like all other civ videos now. Because they most of the don't actually try to simulate what a functioning civilization in Minecraft would be like. In fact, a lot of the time, they tend to be nothing more than scripted battleroyales

    • @LukeHartman-nd1gy
      @LukeHartman-nd1gy Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@vardiganxpl1698 exactly

    • @rency1803
      @rency1803 Před 5 měsíci +4

      It was most likely scripted since the way he just divide all factions to 2 sides is kinda off.

    • @YelMalanta
      @YelMalanta Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@rency1803 Apparently what happened is, the sides were naturally going to fight, but Ish came in and basically said, it would just be better if we finished it here and did a climax for the story and just kinda moshpitted all the conflicts into one.

    • @baccaismemebob2603
      @baccaismemebob2603 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Can confirm this happened for s2. In addition this haopened for state 2.5. At least 2 wars were going to happen, but they were moshpit into 1. Cant wait for yall to watch it had a diff feel from the s 1 and 2 war.

  • @dredge0345
    @dredge0345 Před 5 měsíci +25

    As a writer is easy to recognize how Ish uses the "show not tell" aspect masterfully

  • @starkillersneed
    @starkillersneed Před 7 měsíci +24

    I'd say Ish's civilization simulation videos feel like... civilization simulation videos. As in, the focus is seeing how a mini-civilization would develop in a virtual world. Most civilization simulation videos, in contrast, feel more like a cheap reality show with all of the random challenges and quests

    • @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain
      @UglyBoyForeverLonelyAgain Před 7 měsíci

      Ish is a fraud he lightly scripts most his civilization videos so he can get, in his words, "a good storyline" its not a real experiment

  • @V0RTA
    @V0RTA Před 9 měsíci +63

    Ish does it better in making a civilization video. I was in his 1000 MASSIVE civilization video and he did very amazing in creating a spectacular story of us playing in the event.

  • @Slockmen
    @Slockmen Před 9 měsíci +115

    I laughed a little bit when you said that ish’s experiments will always be different because in state it was a running joke that season 2 was just season 1 with 1000 players because the snow island was tyrannical, plains island almost killed each other but missed that by a slim margin, 2 main desert factions, (basically) a civil war in the jungle island, everyone ended up ganging up on snow, and the snow leader fell from a high place. I just thought that was funny. Anyways, great video! I loved it a lot

    • @mimijikomo5125
      @mimijikomo5125 Před 8 měsíci +15

      And Storminghell keep making a Sultanate, as well as getting assasinated midway through the story.

    • @oofman1911
      @oofman1911 Před měsícem

      ​@@mimijikomo5125 he is the kenny of the ish cinematic universe

  • @KillaSnow
    @KillaSnow Před 9 měsíci +196

    Great video man! Not only just looking into Ish and his style, but also music choices and the comparing and contrasting of other Civ YTers. A great video indeed. Keep it up mate!

    • @V0RTA
      @V0RTA Před 9 měsíci +1

      🍻

  • @finaldusk1821
    @finaldusk1821 Před 9 měsíci +233

    Adding to this, although Ish's upload schedule certainly doesn't need to be as slow as it is, this does add to the experience of each upload.
    Some Minecraft Civ creators churn out videos so quickly that their novelty wears off just as fast, raising the risk of audience burnout.
    By contrast, Ish is pretty good at building a steady hype train for his videos, such that each upload becomes a MOMENTOUS occasion.

    • @sygnomi8312
      @sygnomi8312 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Pretty much the same reason why oversimplified have millions of views despite uploading 1-2 videos a year. It creates anticipation for the next upload

    • @jennygracefully
      @jennygracefully Před 6 měsíci +1

      This is exactly why I want him to take his time. When I get a notification of a new video from ish, it’s going to be an event!

    • @doteleven5890
      @doteleven5890 Před 5 měsíci

      @@sygnomi8312 It's been more than one year... Where is the Second Punic War coming out?

    • @lil_rascal5235
      @lil_rascal5235 Před 5 měsíci +3

      “The more you get it, the less you get more out of it.”

  • @aleksei81
    @aleksei81 Před 6 měsíci +80

    I feel like a problem with a lot of civilizations is that the youtuber makes themselves the main character of the video, giving them screentime that they may not always deserve.

    • @gamercentral2417
      @gamercentral2417 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yeah but that’s only when they’re the actual player

    • @mustacheman3000
      @mustacheman3000 Před 4 měsíci +4

      yeah sword4000 is so annoying, the dude does nothing but shove himself into the video every 3 seconds as if anyone cares

  • @eastwardnest271
    @eastwardnest271 Před 3 měsíci +5

    I remember watching ish's 1000 player civilization and I literally SOBBED at it, it was so well made it was actually amazing

  • @RADARMYBRAT32
    @RADARMYBRAT32 Před 5 měsíci +5

    i think the main thing that makes Ish's videos like what you said is that there's no competition it's all down to the players to make the choices

  • @Adrienss
    @Adrienss Před 9 měsíci +8

    Not a bad video, pretty solid comparison :o

  • @ChunkyNosher
    @ChunkyNosher  Před 9 měsíci +67

    99% of my viewers aren't subscribed, so if you enjoyed the video, make sure to like and subscribe! Also, leave a comment down below on any suggestions for my videos!
    Edit: Sorry for shitting on the vending machine anime everyone

    • @SpinosaurusStudios_
      @SpinosaurusStudios_ Před 9 měsíci +1

      "well known high quality" lmao his staff and content are a joke. Kicked me outa the 1.7 prison event for no reason. What a garbage host. MagicGum is WAY better than ish.

    • @kaiwatson18
      @kaiwatson18 Před 9 měsíci

      wow no subscriber bro your vids r good

  • @afreakinturkey
    @afreakinturkey Před 5 měsíci +8

    Glad that I've finally had this GEM of a video show up on my recommended! While Ish was editing his Season 2 video, I would be in a call with him sometimes due to him needing me to re-do a line for better audio quality. He would show me the parts he was working on. When I watched the scene of my death, with the cinematography, and music slowly dying out to leave just a slow heart beat..... wow. This guy's on another level. Happy to have worked with him/to work with him in the future! Great video Chunky :)

  • @starswirll
    @starswirll Před 4 měsíci +6

    i LOVED every players character arc. everyone was so spread out in every video and became so memorable! and when i see those player’s users in other ppls videos i can’t help but smile and think “omg it’s --!!”

  • @Thph793
    @Thph793 Před 20 dny +2

    The battle of The Iron Torch with Until the World ends playing in the background was in my opinion the greatest piece of Minecraft cinematography ever made

  • @maipeikko3151
    @maipeikko3151 Před 6 měsíci +12

    Editing is often taken for granted in CZcams videos.
    But Ish's editing (I mean like, actually putting everything together, not just effects and transitions) is legit incredible to see in a CZcams video.
    It feels professional somewhat, like a movie or documentary. The whole story is told In a cohesive yet completely different way that you would not see anywhere else.
    It's like if youtube Minecraft challenges were sophisticated entertainment something that would be paid to see.
    Maybe he has experiences on editing for shows or film or has an interest on it. Bc OUGHH it's so good

  • @MixToons
    @MixToons Před 9 měsíci +29

    I genuinely cannot get over how cool and detailed your analysis skills are... they're unironically what I feel like English teachers are looking for in students LOL
    The way you compared Silver's and Ish's storytelling, how Ish rises the tension in a more of a "show, don't tell" way is something I definitely feel like a lot of CZcams is missing nowadays... It's like to understand a story, people think we need to be spoon fed, but it isn't really the case, as apparent by how effective that one scene from Ish (which I've never even seen before) and how it literally had me on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen.
    And THANK YOU for mentioning sound design... I believe it's the 1 most underrated aspect of a video
    (just as a note, if you used any music that was Creative Commons, which I think I heard in the intro, you might want to credit the people who made it, if not necessarily the specific song, just cuz of future copyright claims ;))
    Hats off to you man, I'm looking forward to what else you make :)

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher  Před 9 měsíci +5

      Thanks a lot man! I also really liked your editing and narration style on your most recent video too!

    • @MixToons
      @MixToons Před 8 měsíci

      @@ChunkyNosher Thank you :D

  • @cristianalbert6389
    @cristianalbert6389 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I think IGBLON has the best 100 player video ever. Like no shity scripted events, no goofy ah variables just pure chaos and memes that overwhelm your brain every 5 seconds. IGBLON video is the only 100 player videi that I have rewatched since this trend has started.

  • @HyperX755
    @HyperX755 Před 3 měsíci +4

    What’s cool about ish, is that he uses the story that is seen in the experiment, and then really makes you feel as if you were part of it, he also uses music to create this effect.

  • @thegamingallosaurus7281
    @thegamingallosaurus7281 Před 9 měsíci +56

    I agree with the story stuff, ish's video's are set up great, Magic Gum had a great idea, but Ish's storytelling put him above and beyond him. For the other youtubers however, i don't think just better storytelling would save their videos, nearly every single non ish and magic gum civilisation video i've watched seems pretty much just like a few groups duking it out until the end, and the only way to make it slightly more different and interesting is to change the scenario's environment so they have another video.
    They completely lack any correlation to the word civilisation pretty much, Ish and Magic Gums videos have that, my only complaint regarding their videos is how they spread the players out so that they continue to be in smaller groups, rather then forcing them into smaller areas with less resources, so having a civilisation that works effectively becomes neccesary, albeit trying not to fall into the trap of directly telling the players what to do.
    Good video 👍

    • @peterlewis2178
      @peterlewis2178 Před 8 měsíci +4

      While MagicGum may have kick-started the trend, and maybe he did come up with the idea on his own, he's arguably not the first person. ibxtoycat's realm experiments were in a lot of ways smaller scale versions of this format, and predate MagicGum's videos by a few years.

    • @thegamingallosaurus7281
      @thegamingallosaurus7281 Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@peterlewis2178 that is 100% true, loved those vids. Wish he would bring them back.

    • @Sir_Poohheart
      @Sir_Poohheart Před 4 měsíci +4

      I don’t know, I think MagicGum’s willingness to simply let events unfold as they will and presenting them as they are makes for more interesting content. Ish tends to reframe and “modify plot points” (his words) to tell a specific narrative, as was brought to light following his 1000 Player Civ, and turns actual server events into very Hollywoodized Historical Fiction complete with “Good Guys” and “Bad Guys” and fabricated sequences of events.
      MagicGum, at least from what I know, presents what actually happened in a manner that’s easy to follow, without reframing events or placing anyone on a moral or ethical scale. We see what players actually did and how they shaped the world without biased revisionism and typecasting. It makes for a far more interesting MineCraft civilization experiment when the videographer presents the sociological narrative created by the players rather than fudging the lens to create a heavily dramatized version.
      I love Ish’s videos, but at the end of it what I’m seeing is a fairly fictionalized narrative, rather than an honest rendition of server history. I think MagicGum’s videos are better for that.

  • @itsmechrisss
    @itsmechrisss Před 9 měsíci +13

    Very debatable in many ways, but everyone has their preferences so it's impossible to argue lmao

  • @Lechgang
    @Lechgang Před 8 měsíci +10

    With other civ CZcamsrs, it's clear that while there is some wiggle room, they want the participants to do the motions and run down the path they've laid out.
    Ish gives everyone much more freedom, which leads to character who feel so much more real.

  • @Luminous_Star_17
    @Luminous_Star_17 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Ish just has something about him that really gets me invested in the story. It’s like reading a really good book. It keeps you coming back for more.
    Ive watched Ish’s civilization videos many times and yet I never get bored of it.
    Ish truly knows how to captivate his audience.

  • @sleipnirthe8th339
    @sleipnirthe8th339 Před 7 měsíci +6

    What I love about what makes his so unique and Investing compared to others is, it’s not about Winning, it’s about creating A Story, history, a civilization as the title is meant to be.
    The way the story is told and shown makes it feel more like a Oscar Worthy Movie based on history instead of another Mr Beast challenge

  • @invis_potion
    @invis_potion Před 4 měsíci +3

    For me, i just loved the consideration they put into choosing the shots for the video. The small things like details in the background, choosing the right sequence and using symbolism or imagery to get an emotion across. What really hit me was the short scene of the couple who got married and officially honored by AFreakingTurkey, only for the wife to mourn over the husbands grave in the graveyard.

  • @randomdude-tk6nm
    @randomdude-tk6nm Před 9 měsíci +7

    Atleast Ish's upload schedule isn't as messed up as MagicGum's.

  • @ministerbismarck
    @ministerbismarck Před 9 měsíci +30

    Quality video! I already can see that your channel will grow if you keep this up

  • @a_mooses_son7705
    @a_mooses_son7705 Před 8 měsíci +10

    As a history/government stuff buff i like how Ish doesnt take away the story by not explaining how the government is, or atleast what TYPE of government it is. Ive seen videos where nations are FORCED to elect someone and to me its like "Well what if someone wants to forge a dictatorship or something". This is a side effect of having no clear objective, the players decide there world. They arent in preset teams, they can divide themselves, kinda like how nations or cultures do. Also i for one hate the gimmick minecraft civ, to me its like 100 days where when u add gimmicks the video looses some of its original appeal. Magicgum and a few others handle it well by not making things too insane. Thats just ny opinion tho.

  • @lulu_749
    @lulu_749 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Ish’s Minecraft civilization videos were my first introduction to the genre and it’s like eating the best cake in the world before having even tried cake before. I’ve since watched other Minecraft civilization challenges from a number of other content creators, and although they’re great in their own right, they do have a clear and discernible formula that takes away from the storytelling that Ish always nails in his own challenges (for the reasons you stated in the vid). Seriously, the way the man let’s players organically build their own stories and then weaves those stories into an epic, cinematic masterpiece with emotional beats and epic climaxes is on another level. Every challenge is well worth the wait

  • @OrthoKarter
    @OrthoKarter Před 9 měsíci +13

    The youtubers that have a bad upload schedule always make the best videos.

  • @KaleHameron
    @KaleHameron Před 9 měsíci +2

    I never realized the amount of detail that ish puts into the music selection. Great video, subscribed and can't wait to see the next one!

  • @CarlosMig-bp8ss
    @CarlosMig-bp8ss Před 5 měsíci +3

    I think one of the best aspect of ish's videos is the players. They add the emotion and drama, they also adds the entertainment of the video. Ish is a genius.

  • @KettenDriver
    @KettenDriver Před 8 měsíci +6

    I’ve never heard of this genre of Minecraft content before but just seeing you talk about it makes it seem so cool. I’ve been looking for civilization content for a little bit now not knowing what it was called but I think now I have the perfect CZcams channel to start watching :D

  • @Dragonsage64
    @Dragonsage64 Před 6 měsíci +4

    About Ish's narration and that example, he also mentioned the trap earlier for those paying close attention, and all the feet shots made you think about it more and more until you felt so satisfied you figured it out 0.02 seconds before the trap was pulled (My experience. Now hoping for a sequel)

  • @Cymatilus
    @Cymatilus Před 9 měsíci +19

    Love this! You explained your points really well, in detail & this video has that high quality feeling. Keep it up!

  • @goosekevin420
    @goosekevin420 Před 7 měsíci +1

    ish's videos are just- amazing. They're so intense and it's amazing seeing what people can do by just playing in the same server for long enough. I cried while watching 1000 player civilization.

  • @thatguywithoutadoubt
    @thatguywithoutadoubt Před 2 měsíci +2

    For the last part, its not only for Ish who must gets more creativity in the future, but its the people who were aspired to do civilization videos AND the old ones who fell off due to repetitiveness.

  • @zhonghuaxiansheng
    @zhonghuaxiansheng Před měsícem +3

    Something I've noticed is that ish's biggest civilization video feels similar to the Chinese story structure, 起承轉合 (qi cheng zhuan he), or beginning rise, gathering, turning crescendo, and wrapping-up. Combine this with the political intrigue and you basically just made the perfect story for me.

  • @GhostlyOrSomething
    @GhostlyOrSomething Před 9 měsíci

    An amazing video! From the editing to the script, everything was so good!

  • @Blaze-ub5uw
    @Blaze-ub5uw Před 4 měsíci +2

    Ish’s videos seem like an actual realistic version of how a civilization would grow and interact with

  • @themighteefox
    @themighteefox Před 4 měsíci +2

    I think an important argument for ish is also the wording of his narration and the voice over in general.
    Especially in comparison to SpeedSilver, one can notice the more dynamic and intersting tone of voice that ish uses, whereas SpeedSilver speaks so monotonous, that the suspension is additionally dampened.
    And then also the wording. I have noticed, that in many civ videos, when a group for example comes up with a plan and you just listened in to their conversation, many narrators repeat the same exact information that was clear from the convo you just heard. Ish doesn't do that. Maybe from time to time there is a short summary, but usually it is only later on, as a reminder what that group was talking about before we switched to another group.
    And overall the wording is precise and adding suspension, as shown in this vid here.

  • @NickAndriadze
    @NickAndriadze Před 5 měsíci +4

    I personally don't care that much about civilization videos in Minecraft, I vaguely remember seeing like 2 of them and don't even remember whose it was or what it was about, but I still nonetheless really enjoyed this video because how well you managed to put out all your points (And of course the big words you used, using specific terminology in the right way is a surefire way to earn my respect at least). Ish does really seem like a good creator, even if I've never seen his videos, and especially the civilizations one.

  • @Galavard06
    @Galavard06 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I just finished Ish’s newest video, gotta say 9/10 story, and I love the beginning of the peace then chaos at the end of his.

  • @mothzarellaman
    @mothzarellaman Před 9 měsíci +1

    i have never heard of either of you before this video but this was a fascinating watch! the use of suspense and music is just a great way to tell a story, even if you weren't doing a civilization video.

  • @NoivesMan
    @NoivesMan Před 3 měsíci

    For some reason I keep coming back to this video, just cause the thumbnail is so dang good. Along with the vid itself

  • @ChaosEnthusiast
    @ChaosEnthusiast Před 2 měsíci +2

    ive watched many civilization videos, but honestly i was only ever invested in ish's series, nice to see im not the only one

  • @silentsyko
    @silentsyko Před 6 měsíci +1

    The one i love Ish videos is he's a great story teller and made every happening in the game entertaining, also his editing in transitions, effects, music adds up and made the event dramatic

  • @budbutterson9577
    @budbutterson9577 Před 9 měsíci +1

    In all honesty, I only watch Ish's civ videos now, and this is why. Honestly some of the few youtube videos I would consider rewatching. Glad I'm not the only one who sees his quality!

  • @A_Rainworld_Fan.
    @A_Rainworld_Fan. Před měsícem +1

    Honestly i really like that he doesnt often actually join in the event, he just narrates it. I love this approach because you get to know what the other teams are doing insead of the youtuber.

  • @NoobryYT
    @NoobryYT Před 8 měsíci +2

    I remember after watching all of ish's videos, i tried to find other civilization videos to watch, but every single other non-ish video made be bored and usually led me to click off the vid within the first minute. The high-quality presentation of his vids along with his storytelling and narration make it special. His prison video still remains my favourite minecraft video to date.

    • @BerriMura
      @BerriMura Před 8 měsíci

      He has this sort of secret formula to his videos you can’t really get anywhere else

    • @crazygreek6128
      @crazygreek6128 Před 8 měsíci

      Me too! Once I watched Ish I couldnt stand everyone else. Same happened with the 100 days trend. Found shadowmech and couldnt watch anyone else, except for forge labs.

  • @thatjustsomeguy
    @thatjustsomeguy Před 9 měsíci +9

    ishs video make me cry on how they are so good, the prison event was the best video by ish so far

  • @TalonMC
    @TalonMC Před 9 měsíci +2

    This video is Awesome! It points out the issues that I've even noticed myself with other civ vids. I recently recorded a rp civ vid (that I have yet to edit) that fits more of the criteria that you stated but there's a few things I did during it that I could definitely improve on my next one. However I whole-heartedly agree that doing civ events with players, letting them formulate their own story that you can work with as the creator to tell is the right way to go. Regardless, Genuinely going to save this vid for later!

  • @theflightlessalbatross3415
    @theflightlessalbatross3415 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Something else that I think is worth mentioning about ish's videos is the quality of the cinematography. He uses SO MANY camera angles and dynamic viewpoints that transforms his videos from watching a Minecraft let's play recounting to watching a proper drama and story.
    (For example, the jungle meeting with the trap floor. The frequent switching of perspectives makes the viewers feel stressed as dialogue escalates, while he still manages to get some a lot of fantastic angles of the sand trap, all of which happened in a few seconds of real-world time!)

  • @117Tennessine
    @117Tennessine Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing video. Love the video essays on such a great creator!

  • @sirafoxtron1701
    @sirafoxtron1701 Před 7 měsíci +4

    It's perfect with ish!
    My notible things is that the goal isn't the script of the story but let the player decide the story how it ended

  • @AniVortexYT
    @AniVortexYT Před 7 měsíci

    what a chad! Great Analysis. Would be interested to see more of that stuff

  • @awesomeboydexter4592
    @awesomeboydexter4592 Před 5 měsíci +2

    To be fair I think the video by MagicGum “500 players colonize earth” has an interesting gimmick while also being mainly focused on story.

  • @MooseMan-zg8vh
    @MooseMan-zg8vh Před 8 měsíci +1

    I noticed when watching the battle of aculon that the first line of the song was one of the lines in wazzock’s final speech, making that line preface two important characters deaths , both characters being murderer bent on ruling the world

  • @DaHouse_Panda
    @DaHouse_Panda Před 8 měsíci

    Dude honestly I wish I saw this sooner damn my vacation lol but this is an amazing video you mentioned some amazing points about ish's videos and it's fun to see it. Ofc no hate to the other civ event hosts but the 1000 players event will always hold a dear place in my heart and there's a good reason for it lol Can't wait to see future videos! 👍

  • @Outersoy
    @Outersoy Před 8 měsíci

    amazing video love the comparison with anime I think its unique and good editing keep it up

  • @user-gh4ue6ru1z
    @user-gh4ue6ru1z Před 8 měsíci

    Great data analysis, keep on going!

  • @elitely6748
    @elitely6748 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I always wanted to witness a truly dynamic civilization styled event in Minecraft where players had diplomacy and created their own kingdoms and story and Ish came in and delivered on that perfectly surprising everyone.
    Just pure awesome narration *everything felt natural, nothing was forced or heavily scripted it really did feel like you were in that world as if it was real!* plus the music was definitely key with how well it was implemented. But bravo sir very well made video sure hope your channel gets more subscribers this is very underrated!

  • @Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer

    I thank you for not giving me the backstory and just getting to it. You have earned my sub

  • @bobskanal
    @bobskanal Před měsícem

    When I got it right, from the start of the preparation to the releasing of the video two years passed. It's just amazing.

  • @therealjohnfitzgeraldkennedy
    @therealjohnfitzgeraldkennedy Před 9 měsíci +2

    This is really accurate, and hopefully the creativity, what you said, does continue.

  • @Shawnmiller1903
    @Shawnmiller1903 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Ish's ability to create a narrative and detailed storytelling makes his videos feel like a tv series you'd watch over the weekend

  • @mrbeat3479
    @mrbeat3479 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Bro called out sunnyv2 in 56 seconds of the video

  • @bcjflorr
    @bcjflorr Před 9 měsíci +1

    you deserve a lot more subscribers keep making content like this and you will blow up

  • @_aWiseMan
    @_aWiseMan Před 8 měsíci +1

    My favorite moment in his prison civilization video is where the music from the wardens death olays when the prisoners escape, because it reinforced his message in the beginning and why he died in the first place

  • @alejandroparedes2500
    @alejandroparedes2500 Před 25 dny +2

    I completely agree with this video. Ish's civilization videos are unique and more interesting because it feels natural and like historical.

  • @octo5042
    @octo5042 Před 6 měsíci

    This is amazing, I think its important to point out the genius behind these kinds of things!

  • @TC6_Original
    @TC6_Original Před 5 měsíci

    This was a great video! I've been watching ish's channel way before his success with the Civilization. And I must say the content he made back then back in the Mineplex days was pretty fun to watch as you can see he placed a bunch of effort into them even back then but he had a smaller audience and mainly was doing Pranks on Mineplex. But the first CallMeIsh episode was when he fully made something that is High quality. Sadly it never blew up as much as the Civilization video but It was still done with decent quality and very intense moments like you showed in the video.

  • @kawaranai9743
    @kawaranai9743 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great video! I loved the detail

  • @christopherhanson8103
    @christopherhanson8103 Před 9 měsíci

    Great video! I think you are right on the money with most of what you said. You could've given more examples, but you got your point across. Hopefully civ YTers will improve.

  • @Sheshoo47
    @Sheshoo47 Před měsícem

    I knew as soon as you mentioned that the songs play twice it was going to be to make the song relate to the mood in the moment. It’s basic story telling and it works.

  • @PollyLollyorBlues
    @PollyLollyorBlues Před 24 dny +1

    I was truly disappointed when the Civilization video with 1000 players video ended. It was a cinematic masterpiece and I hope Ish makes more of these videos!

  • @enrichment3797
    @enrichment3797 Před 7 měsíci

    Ish is more of a players willing journey while the others are the battles and fun along the way. I enjoy both it's what actually got me to check out mc again after all these years and props to all for the dedication they all put into their videos.

  • @nobcl9355
    @nobcl9355 Před 2 měsíci

    Its interesting to see other POV such as sap or kanukei that they explain what actually happened in the event vs what ish said to us in his videos

  • @Haizou
    @Haizou Před 8 měsíci +3

    DAAANG the song being used twice to unconsciously make the viewer feel a certain familiar emotion is pretty DAMN close to into and across the spiderverse sound design and that is a HUGE compliment..that’s crazy

  • @aqwek
    @aqwek Před 8 měsíci

    amazing high quality video, i don't believe you have under 1k subs, you deserve more attention.

  • @hyperkun
    @hyperkun Před 9 měsíci

    Great underrated channel
    Lets boost you to oblivion!
    (I also loved ish's civilization videos)

  • @Jpinkyfan
    @Jpinkyfan Před 7 měsíci

    that video description makes me happy:)

  • @MrBathLegit
    @MrBathLegit Před měsícem

    I remember watching the entire hour and a bit of content. It was so good, I felt like a different person after watching it!

  • @Exorbulla
    @Exorbulla Před 9 měsíci +3

    "They all happened on players terms, not on ish's terms"
    Yeah.... about that.....

  • @vincentvanhoven3486
    @vincentvanhoven3486 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for those opening lines. Very funny 😂

  • @olyviakiley5646
    @olyviakiley5646 Před 6 měsíci

    His most recent video had me tearing up at the end. A freaking video game! I'm really happy to see him getting some recognition...its a shame there's only 4 videos though...