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A DreamSMP Retrospective - Great Idea, Terrible Execution
I tried scouring the internet to find anything about how the DreamSMP fell off, but nothing that I found really gave me a clear answer. This is a retrospective of my favorite Minecraft SMP that answers the question: How could something with so much passion and support behind it fail this badly? We'll go over the genius decisions that made the server so successful and go over how those very same decisions led to the server's downfall.
Glossary to keep you barely not confused
Disc Saga - the entire story where Dream tries to take Tommy’s discs
L’manberg - The nation that Wilbur formed in order to gain independence from Dream
Election Arc - The arc where Wilbur wanted to reinforce his power, so he held an election to gain the popularity of the people, but lost to Jschlatt and Quackity, which ended up with Wilbur and Tommy being banished from L’manberg
Manberg - the name that Jschlatt renamed L’manberg to once he won the L’manberg election over Wilbur
Pogtopia - the sanctuary that Wilbur and Tommy formed after they were kicked out of L’manberg by Jschlatt
Final Disc confrontation - the final battle between Tommy and Tubbo vs Dream
Prison Arc - after Tommy defeated Dream, he decided that instead of killing him, he would send Dream to prison and the rest of the Arc is just Dream’s life in prison
Church Prime - a bit that Tommy, Tubbo, Dream, and Quackity did where they created a religion based on Christianity combined with Twitch culture
My first short story: docs.google.com/document/d/1QbuZYWft6p48KRvE48UkTsDgJdyxRkJJ5qc0C5Yh5tc/edit
(viewer discretion advised, I couldn't even read past the first paragraph without recoiling in embarrassment; the dialogue was purposefully cringe in the first act, but the rest of the story is just bad)
Fan Animations shown at end:
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00:00 Intro
02:25 An Unmatched Legacy
03:13 Dropped it in Dirt and Grew Up
03:54 Coming Back to a Mess
05:07 What happened here?
06:07 The DreamSMP was boring, until...
07:15 Tommy made it interesting
08:07 Wilbur Soot, a revolutionary
10:50 The End of My Praises
11:44 The First Mistake - Too many stories
13:07 The Second Mistake - Revival Book
14:49 The Biggest Mistake of All
16:11 The Beginning of the End
18:11 An Ugly Metamorphosis
19:59 What could've been
22:37 A Legacy Still Unmatched
23:38 Thank you, DreamSMP
Music
C418 -Dog
C418 - Subwoofer Lullaby
C418 - Thirteen
C418 - Mellohi
LEMMiNO - Firecracker
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C418 - Strad
Lena Raine - Pigstep
LEMMiNO - Cipher
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Lena Raine - So Below
C418 - Alpha
C418 - Clark
EMBRR - Mice on Venus but make it *E X T R A* nostalgic (Original by C418)
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Komentáře

  • @aspecttnd
    @aspecttnd Před 19 minutami

    It was great idea, GREAT execution, idk what you mean

  • @jasonlu9562
    @jasonlu9562 Před hodinou

    For me waht causes me to stop watching damp (besides techno) is that the role-play started to feel cringe. After the story got more serious people started to make their characters more serious and edgy, and honestly they were not good enough at role-playing to handle those types of role-play (but there are exceptions like tommy, techo, wilbur).

  • @angelofthedead5589
    @angelofthedead5589 Před 2 hodinami

    I still think the narrative is still incredibly entertaining to watch or even just hear about. Like a legendary folk tale, I think if the main story was turned into a book and edited a bit, it’d be a banger for sure! I was an avid DreamSMP watcher till the last disc stream. I think the SMP withered away once Techno unfortunately passed. I quite liked the idea of Quackity’s arch in the end, but it just felt out of place and I stopped watching. I feel terrible about how this SMP forced Tubbo and Tommy is grow up so quickly, I’m glad to see that it seems both of them are doing alright for themselves. But despite how shitty most of the popular DreamSMP creators are now, it’s hard not to look back on those good moments and appreciate what it was.

  • @Faciler473
    @Faciler473 Před 4 hodinami

    The server died after Tommy’s final disc saga battle it just got so boring and dry after that

  • @scarletnoct5807
    @scarletnoct5807 Před 5 hodinami

    ooooh this video felt really weird! then it all made sense when you blatantly stated you can ignore literal facts and evidence!

  • @benfrank9622
    @benfrank9622 Před 5 hodinami

    "Was slowly, silently fizzling out." Just like Dream.

  • @stallionsLP
    @stallionsLP Před 5 hodinami

    Honestly, you can sum up why the DSMP collapsed and didn't exactly work out in hindsight into two reasons: The first being that everyone involved fell for the same pitfalls every D&D group ever falls for where inevitably people more and more can't make sessions due to irl or can't be assed or so on, and everyone just doing their own thing due to it until no one wants to show up anymore besides a few diehards because actually committing to sessions daily/weekly is harder than you think. And it was ESPECIALLY obvious during the Dream in Prison arc that irl and lack of desire to keep going hit many of the people playing. And the second, is that a lot of things hinged on Tommy needing to not be a That Guy zoomer kid that interrupted LITERALLY EVERYONE SPEAKING EVER and kept nonstop yapping for 5 seconds to always be annoying and needing to get the last word in every time. Something you notice more and more when you go back to earlier steams/videos. And I can tell you that if it wasn't for Tommy having what some would call "the funni british voice", people would have turned on Tommy entirely and the entire DSMP narrative would have collapsed way earlier than it did....or the fanbase would have forced things to a new protag inevitably. Even if those didn't happen, Techno passing away and Dream wanting to have the next season be a restart with no one remembering the past at all ensured it died off permanently because everyone else refused to continue it if it meant Techno was going to get full HE NEVER HAPPENED'd. And once Dream went full clown later on, it was over for good.

  • @HurricaneBady
    @HurricaneBady Před 6 hodinami

    Techno was the only minecraft youtuber i cared about in smp. Mainly because i watched his content before and then see him get involved in all that. I havent watched any of the other smp vids but it was nice to see Techno get more fans from it... yeah...

  • @aldrinmilespartosa1578
    @aldrinmilespartosa1578 Před 7 hodinami

    I think it would have survived a year of so if Techno did not die, he has a lot of good ideas and has executed when in the latter half of the story. His death is a massive blow to an already declining server. More so, it would have been better if it was seasonal.

  • @rayzeen123
    @rayzeen123 Před 8 hodinami

    was a good video until you wrote off that Dream is a groomer 😭😭 you dont have to be obsessed with negativity or Dream's character to call and know to call him that when him himself had confirmed he was texting a minor. weird hill to die on

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher Před 6 hodinami

      bro get with the times, the grooming allegations were proven false long ago and they were super sketchy to anyone not swept up in the twitter bubble of hating Dream even before he made the response video. Also, leaving out the context that said minor was a fan of Dream and the relationship was simply fan and creator and never personal is textbook cherry picking. If you want to hate Dream, go ahead, but at least hate him for reasons that aren't blatantly false. Also, I'm making this comment entirely for my own satisfaction and not to "defend" Dream's name, because one of my biggest pet peeves is someone who has such a strong opinion on something with such weak, filmsy, or just wrong evidence to support it.

  • @meknowcool8730
    @meknowcool8730 Před 9 hodinami

    Hey just want to say that not only Wilbur wrote the story

  • @qrae_qrae6629
    @qrae_qrae6629 Před 14 hodinami

    If Techno is still here, we would have known Cyberknife, his alter ego who loves government.

  • @thesleepwalkgamer1694
    @thesleepwalkgamer1694 Před 18 hodinami

    I think Squiddo is a example of a youtuber that isnt Mr.Beastified

  • @pauldusenbro7484
    @pauldusenbro7484 Před 22 hodinami

    CAMDEN NJ MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 I joke with my family that cameden has a circular economy. You steal from someone, someone steals from you, the cycle repeats

  • @hpforever3563
    @hpforever3563 Před 23 hodinami

    My perspective on the dsmp is different, because I joined after c!Dream was thrown into prison, I think around the time the red banquet happened. I never really cared about c!Tommy, c!Wilbur or Lmanburg/berg in general. I got invested in c!Dream as a antagonist, everything happening with the prison, rivalsduo and stageduo, the stories of c!Thechnoblade c!Sam and c!Quackity, even the tales from the smp, although not as much. What is considered the worse part of dsmp's history is it's entire essence to me, and I loved it. Still, it's interesting seeing people feel so much nostalgia for the earlier days. I do have to admit that Techno was a big part of the smp and his passing had definitely made a mark on it.

  • @EugeneOmisol
    @EugeneOmisol Před dnem

    Speed silver is the best

  • @nickyandstuff
    @nickyandstuff Před dnem

    The dsmp was my first fandom ever and that changed me. It was my entire personality ages 12-14; it was the main thing to get me through covid. I still remember rambling about lore to my friends in middle school while we were all forced to sit 6 feet apart at the lunch table. I still remember watching the sad-ist hog hunt premiere as I was eating lunch. I still remember opening ao3 for the first time to read passerine and sobbing my eyes out when Tommy died. I still remember watching live as Wilbur got revived just two weeks before my birthday, but I kinda just lost interest as the amount of lore content decreased. Wound up falling out around the time of the Wilbur + Ranboo food truck arc and his death was the nail in the coffin to kill my interest. I have to thank it for the amount it shaped me into the person I am today. I never would have gotten into art if it weren’t for all the fanart and animatics, but that doesn’t mean I don’t still cringe at my past self. The only dsmp content I’ve consumed since freshman year was Tommy’s 2023 finale about a month before I turned 16 just to give myself closure for what was such a massive part of my life for so long. I still have a la’manbur flag acting as a curtain in my bedroom that I never had the heart to take down.

  • @Eeffects_bs
    @Eeffects_bs Před dnem

    another thing i like about ish's videos are that some of these videos involve the actual creator participating, that ruins the plot as we basically already know most of the time who is winning but it also dosent allow the viewer to see the whole scene, by being a spectator, a creator can know (most) hidden plans and how different nations see each other while actually participating cuts off 80% of what you know is happening

  • @bobfs9855
    @bobfs9855 Před dnem

    0:44 swearing before the first minute, bold move

  • @Amber-WinterLover
    @Amber-WinterLover Před dnem

    I was loving this video until you revealed you're a Dream defender ngl

    • @ChunkyNosher
      @ChunkyNosher Před dnem

      bro get with the times, the grooming allegations were proven false and they were super sketchy to anyone not chronically hating Dream even before he made the response video. Karl Jobst, a well-respected and trusted person in the speedrunning community, made a video about Dream coming to the conclusion that it's more likely than not that Dream didn't intentionally cheat on his speedruns, and Dream mentioned in his video essay that he donated $50000 to the speedrunning community. If you want to waste your emotions hating Dream for being weird, then go ahead, but at least hate him for reasons that aren't just blatantly false.

    • @Amber-WinterLover
      @Amber-WinterLover Před dnem

      ​@@ChunkyNosher I passively dislike him because he's a dick, so idk it seems like you're one wasting your emotions here

    • @Amber-WinterLover
      @Amber-WinterLover Před dnem

      @@ChunkyNosher Idk if my reply got deleted or something, but basically, I just passively hate Dream because he's a weirdo and a dick, so I think you're the one "wasting your emotions*

  • @huskadog7748
    @huskadog7748 Před 2 dny

    Am i the only one that didn't know the dream smp was over before this video?

  • @cecieylagrace
    @cecieylagrace Před 2 dny

    Staying interested cause of techno is so relatable

  • @CrysiCrysis
    @CrysiCrysis Před 3 dny

    Alright, you've convinced me. I'll go watch ish's videos.

  • @pitapockets5481
    @pitapockets5481 Před 3 dny

    Hitori boochi mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️ WHAT IS A SOCIAL INTERACTION???!??🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @lady_magnoliauwu1169

    5:40 my dude you have NO IDEA how painful it was to see the total mess of storylines in season 3 . Most of them had potential and some of them are my favorite ones IN GENERAL , but then you'd found out that wilbur didn't know about dream's prision escape unitl 40 mins before it hapenned even thou his storyline had dream as a crucial plot point and so we didn't get any conclusion to that one, technoblade wasn't able to participate as much thanks to his cancer. Tommy , tubbo and ranboo were growing channels after the pandemic so they had less time. LIKE NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE OTHER PERSON WAS DOING. like ranboo was in 3 (maybe 4) storylines. The enderwalk story line ( his own ) where probably dream was part of it the tubbo storyline , the messages about the NORTH and the wilbur and quackity story line and also probably TOTDSMP with karl AND THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING . they could do anything because they had to wait for another plot point to happen , but they didn't organize properly so it AAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • @ouroseven
    @ouroseven Před 3 dny

    i also agree on your take on the interaction being what made me love the story, as a watcher of dream smp from the very beginning, with all the gay interation of dream and george, its really their interaction what made me loveit in the first place. when tommy came in i loved it even more cuz you get to see this side of the cc you only really see when they interact with other cc. my most favorite stream has to be the church prime one, i really love seing them being them and having fun making jokes. from start to end ive watched the dreamsmp. even watched all the other cc streams about the different plotpoints like the bbh one, karl's timetravel stories, foolish's streams. but as time went on it didnt really seemed fun anymore, it was more of a chore. for me it was like ' if you started to watch it in the beginning, you have to watch it till the end'. i started losing my love for the dream smp. it was hard for me to think about dream smp and not thinl of how much of a chore it was to keep up with it, i even tried to forget it since i always become sad thinking about it. my dislike ablout dreamsmp overshadowed what i loved about it. but because of your video ive come to terms with it. realizing what made me dislike about dreamsmp has made me remember what i really loved about it. thank tou for your video. sorry for the shitty grammar i only know english from youtube sincve its my second language

    • @ouroseven
      @ouroseven Před 3 dny

      i think i also didin't wanna touch the dreamsmp again was because of technoblade. dreamsmp has some of the greatest mempries i have of him, especially with his interactions with phil, tommy and will. and remembering dreamsmp made me even more sad, because i when i realized i started to hate dreamsmp, i didnt want it to also carry over to my memories of techno while on the dream smp. i didnt want to hate what i remember of techno. thats why i tried to forget dreamsmp as much as i can, because i didnt want to hate on something that techno made great

  • @ouroseven
    @ouroseven Před 3 dny

    im sorry but a user really drag navia from genshin impact to hate on dream. like bro if you dont like a person dont drag the other communities into your hate. we have too much in our platye already.

    • @ChervyClown
      @ChervyClown Před 2 dny

      HELP i saw that post as soon as i read that😭

  • @specialangel2277
    @specialangel2277 Před 3 dny

    Thanks for making me cry and accept that time no matter how much we don’t want it to, continues to move forward.

  • @voryndagothDL
    @voryndagothDL Před 3 dny

    It's gotta be a curse of big Minecraft youtubers to suddenly turn out to be groomers. Is being a normal person really that hard for them?

  • @VV_Syzta
    @VV_Syzta Před 4 dny

    Are you serious you didnt watch steins;gate yet???? My bad im not trying to be fma fan but i did now

  • @6JoyBoy9
    @6JoyBoy9 Před 4 dny

    i think Techno was one of the biggest strongest pillars of the DSMP hes why i ever watched it until cancer broke it in half with with an equally as strong sledge hammer collapsing it which intern made the DSMP that much less interesting/entertaining when Techno was THE topic of interest when it came to minecraft so to come back from that the DSMP would have to defy logic. the way i see it is Technos death sealed the fate of the DSMP.

  • @variuseeker145
    @variuseeker145 Před 4 dny

    Check out skipolo

  • @somepepperonyoutube8374

    oh right, that project that sadist and techno worked on and nothing else nothing else happened there and it was awesome believe me-

  • @Prismate
    @Prismate Před 4 dny

    15:36 The way you pronounce "Socrates" is absolutely vile, you're banned from ever visiting greece

  • @rkj5480
    @rkj5480 Před 4 dny

    Not “my life as Inukai’s Dog” 😭

  • @legogoka-boomstudio1838

    Egg Arc was definitely the beginning of the end The entire event was essentially everyone taking their turns to make a massive twist that I barely cared about until technoblade came in and started killing people and then the entire plot was over All the other events had massive fights and a mind control war could be cool af in a lot of different ways but it took all of like 3 people and they died in seconds or ran So in short Techno MVP

  • @juststop5768
    @juststop5768 Před 4 dny

    The typical dream stan

  • @James-nm8dr
    @James-nm8dr Před 5 dny

    The dream smp may be cringy now but we all loved it in lockdown

  • @jpaul8284
    @jpaul8284 Před 5 dny

    cringe, all of em, cringe

  • @aquaspidermc
    @aquaspidermc Před 5 dny

    "Wilbur, as far as any viewer can tell, is just a relatively healthy streamer" NOT ANYMORE BUDDY

  • @Andrew-hm8no
    @Andrew-hm8no Před 5 dny

    nah don't worry, bocci the rock isn't cringe, probably the 2nd funniest show I've watched period. I bet techno would have loved its craziness...

  • @Thph793
    @Thph793 Před 6 dny

    Finnaly someone mentioned the absolute abomination of a 2nd season that is The Promised Neverland SE 2

  • @sazawa__
    @sazawa__ Před 6 dny

    6:22 You dont need to disect their sentences. That's just overdoing. Speedsilver's story telling is just as good. Not a fan. But you seem like a hater by disecting one sentence he said and turning it against him.

  • @rhiansebastian1767
    @rhiansebastian1767 Před 6 dny

    Who let this man cook,!!!

  • @notaliveagain
    @notaliveagain Před 6 dny

    Ish has GREAT videos on the matter but just remember that MagicGum Started the category and has some great previous content that shows the full realm that these videos could be so I HIGHLY Recommend you look at those