2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road Suspension Overview and Flex Test

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  • čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
  • Years ago, Car and Driver Technical Editor Dan Edmunds helped design the original TRD Off-Road package for the Tacoma. Now entering its fourth generation, the Tacoma TRD Off-Road has many of the features Dan wished he could've offered back then.
    In this video, Dan explains all the details of the Tacoma's new suspension, including the larger diameter shocks, disconnecting front anti-roll bar, and its coil-spring rear suspension. He then shows how much it can flex in an RTI test with the anti-roll bar connected and disconnected.
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    00:00 Intro
    00:49 Big changes for 2024 Tacoma
    03:02 Front suspension
    03:40 Bigger shocks
    04:55 Disconnecting ant-roll bar
    06:46 Upper control arm
    07:25 Lower control arm
    08:17 Lower knuckle
    08:57 Brakes
    09:38 Wheel and tire weight
    10:17 Front suspension wrap-up
    11:00 Rear suspension
    12:21 Coil spring setup
    12:43 Shocks
    14:14 Links
    14:42 Anti-roll bar
    15:02 Panhard bar
    15:25 Brakes
    16:00 Rear suspension wrap-up
    16:34 RTI test intro
    17:28 Front anti-roll bar connected
    20:01 Disconnecting the front ant-roll bar
    21:17 Drive modes and how to disconnect the front anti-roll bar
    22:15 Calculating results
    23:29 Fitting larger tires
    24:04 The results
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Komentáře • 147

  • @stevensolazzo
    @stevensolazzo Před 4 měsíci +135

    I hope someone at Car and Driver is listening when I say THIS is the sort of content we want to see. A PROPER rundown on the different mechanical differences and how it compares to the outgoing model. 2 minutes in and I hear this guy did suspension design for the previous gen Tacomas? Yep, I'll watch half an hour of whatever he is willing to tell me.

  • @dagrwolff6714
    @dagrwolff6714 Před 4 měsíci +42

    Most satisfying 2024 Tacoma view yet on the internet

  • @ppha7665
    @ppha7665 Před 4 měsíci +26

    One of the best in-depth breakdowns of the new Tacoma's suspension.

  • @joetacchino4470
    @joetacchino4470 Před 4 měsíci +47

    We need more Dan videos!

  • @jeremygosling363
    @jeremygosling363 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Excellent to see real technical details in a CZcams review, which are normally worthless and have no information beyond published marketing materials

  • @ptrd5945
    @ptrd5945 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Best rundown video of the new 24 Tacoma suspension!!!!

  • @02PSU
    @02PSU Před 4 měsíci +7

    For such a big company, I like it’s in Dan’s driveway

  • @gregnorton3718
    @gregnorton3718 Před 4 měsíci +5

    VERY HELPFUl to have someone with Dan's expertise do this video. MORE!!!!

  • @rudyosorio4434
    @rudyosorio4434 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thank you maestro! Toyota Tacoma suspension well explained. Definitely need to see more of your videos

  • @integral9585
    @integral9585 Před 4 měsíci +19

    Excellent video. Thanks for the in-depth overview. I was considering the SR5 vs the TRD OR and this gave me a lot more faith that they put in some real effort to developing the OR for better suspension performance.

  • @sahily1562
    @sahily1562 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Great episode as always. I owe a lot of my limited suspension knowhow to Dan Edmunds' suspension deep dives, not just on CZcams but from the old blogs as well. Thank you for this great geeky content.
    A few requests if I may. Can we have similar episodes on F-150 Lightning and Ford Maverick because of their unique differences to the usual truck suspensions (I have been awaiting these 2 episodes ever since they were teased in one of the shorts on Dan Edmunds' own CZcams channel.)
    In any case, thanks Dan and thanks C&D.

  • @PaulPeralta
    @PaulPeralta Před 4 měsíci +4

    Great video Dan. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the new offroad with us. Just learned that my offroad has left Mexico and is enroute for delivery. Can’t wait!

  • @M1911jln
    @M1911jln Před 4 měsíci +11

    Dan, I love these tests. Great objective information.

  • @senrusho
    @senrusho Před 4 měsíci +4

    That's actually a pretty impressive improvement over the 3rd gen. Much better than the new tundra.

  • @johnmoua235
    @johnmoua235 Před 3 měsíci +2

    When he pulled out that Sharp calculator I knew he was for real…😅 appreciate the info and awesome video

  • @jamiewills8560
    @jamiewills8560 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Where has this guy been on the other review videos? Very in depth and informative! Car and Driver needs to use him in all their videos!

  • @calvinkang1224
    @calvinkang1224 Před 21 dnem

    Thanks for sharing your whole CZcams-wise unmatchable knowledge, I enjoyed so much.

  • @craigfoy9083
    @craigfoy9083 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is a really good video; he knows what he is talking about big time! I am sticking with the older taco to many changes!

  • @4xfishhh
    @4xfishhh Před 4 měsíci +5

    Dan is a gem! more videos from him!

    • @paulm6481
      @paulm6481 Před 4 měsíci

      Rubbish he is old

    • @4xfishhh
      @4xfishhh Před 4 měsíci

      ⁠@@paulm6481who cares? he’s super knowledgeable. don’t be an ageist cuck

  • @nascarniko2244
    @nascarniko2244 Před 4 měsíci +7

    This was an awesome review. Cant wait for mine soon

  • @shirolee
    @shirolee Před 4 měsíci +1

    Amazing! Thank you so much for doing this Dan!

  • @thomasmcconnell1114
    @thomasmcconnell1114 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great to 'see' you again, man. Hope you're well. Excellent detail and easy to comprehend. Helps me decide if im upgrading from my '19 TRD OR DCLB. Cheers, my friend.

  • @JasonExplainsThings
    @JasonExplainsThings Před 4 měsíci +4

    Thanks Dan!

  • @jamestorregrossa1185
    @jamestorregrossa1185 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great demonstration, my friend, thank you

  • @matticusmac6452
    @matticusmac6452 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Awesome review, great depth

  • @brochilldude
    @brochilldude Před 4 měsíci +10

    This is the stuff we need to see. Would love to see the new zr2 numbers as well as the ranger raptor and compare them all on the RTI leaderboard.

  • @TwoFeetOutdoors
    @TwoFeetOutdoors Před měsícem

    Very in depth and informative.

  • @raphaelmuza9056
    @raphaelmuza9056 Před 3 měsíci

    Perfect review of this car, nothing more 👍🏼

  • @TinkerersAdventure
    @TinkerersAdventure Před 4 měsíci +2

    Fantastic review! Man I wished to see it do better than the 3rd gen pro

  • @TheHerennow1
    @TheHerennow1 Před 14 dny

    Well done video. A rare thing

  • @tshepomathibedi6362
    @tshepomathibedi6362 Před 3 měsíci

    Great information shared here, I like it.

  • @percygildersleeve2181
    @percygildersleeve2181 Před 4 měsíci

    Dan’s the man!

  • @ALMX5DP
    @ALMX5DP Před 4 měsíci +3

    Great overview and test. I was expecting a little more after the disconnect given how well the old Pro did but still seems to do very well. Wonder if the larger tire models will have additional travel limitation versus this.

  • @SimekahleManatha
    @SimekahleManatha Před 3 měsíci

    That's the beast on some beast mode vibes

  • @snn517
    @snn517 Před 4 měsíci

    great content

  • @inferno1770
    @inferno1770 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video I have the 3rd gen same exact truck in video . I'll be keeping my old Tacoma and getting the new 4th gen solar octane

  • @DeuceDeuceBravo
    @DeuceDeuceBravo Před 4 měsíci +3

    The stabilizer disconnect is the most exciting new feature for me. Can't wait to try that out. But WHY are they still using a single giant bolt for the UCA?? That's a nightmare for those of us who change out the UCA. ☹️

  • @cue03
    @cue03 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Looking forward to see the flex index ramp findings when the Toyota Land Cruiser (LC250) and Lexus GX550 becomes available.

  • @apa7611
    @apa7611 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Lots of new repos coming! 😂
    If I wanted it I would wait a few years

    • @flight2k5
      @flight2k5 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Repos?

    • @demal1010
      @demal1010 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@flight2k5 Repossessions. Presumably they mean from people who can't afford it down the line.

  • @07fsxt67
    @07fsxt67 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Split pin for lower ball joint is missing or not needed for this new model?

  • @joemysterio
    @joemysterio Před 4 měsíci +1

    Sweet video and super informative! I'm not super familiar with trucks in general so I can't tell and not sure if I missed it, but is this a 5 foot or 6 foot bed?

    • @ALMX5DP
      @ALMX5DP Před 4 měsíci +2

      This looks to be the 5’ bed. The 6’ has more body colored area in front of the rear tire.

  • @trailrunnah8886
    @trailrunnah8886 Před 4 měsíci

    It's a cool feature to offer, glad they're doing it. I'd like to see a Gladiator on your board, I would guess that that would be over 600 disconnected.

  • @jmezable
    @jmezable Před 3 měsíci

    Really can't believe this is possible!!

  • @shitloveaduck
    @shitloveaduck Před 4 měsíci +1

    The wiring harness to the sway bar disconnect isn’t properly snapped in place. It’s really tight against the housing.

  • @markjmaxwell9819
    @markjmaxwell9819 Před 3 měsíci

    The great thing about the Watts link and Panhard bar suspension systems is they can normally be converted from a solid axle leaf spring rear suspension system very easily from the factory. With better suspension articulation and control plus improved ride comfort over leaf springs.
    With the Watts link the better engineered choice for a couple of reasons.
    😎🇦🇺

  • @paulthompson661
    @paulthompson661 Před 4 měsíci

    They did not add any more travel? Sway bar disconnect is nice, but I only know one person with the sway bar still on anyway. Idk if this will be better off-road. Also I heard the hitch is welded on, so no more after market bumpers without voiding warranty?

  • @user-rg6wy4vg5f
    @user-rg6wy4vg5f Před 3 měsíci

    Nice pickup track

  • @live4mac
    @live4mac Před 4 měsíci

    I love these comparisons, I was sad to see that C&D has a ZR2 loaner not too long ago yet you didn't get your hands on it!

  • @BaconCruiser
    @BaconCruiser Před 4 měsíci

    What happened to the old rankings? Now I’m going to have to keep a reference screenshot handy.

  • @26parma
    @26parma Před 4 měsíci

    Hi-Lift jack points in the back, but what if you need to change the front tires?

  • @pie5771
    @pie5771 Před 4 měsíci +2

    That color is beautiful! I wonder what it would look like in a couple of years when it fade.

    • @Jside68
      @Jside68 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I ordered one. At home, it will be in the garage, hidden from the sun. I hope it doesn't turn into a washed-out pink!

    • @artiebucco9660
      @artiebucco9660 Před 4 měsíci

      Even better

  • @vnohelix
    @vnohelix Před měsícem

    My question; is the swaybar on the SDM models thicker vs the NON-SDM models therefor offering much better ON-road handling? Much like 4runner KDSS.

  • @jordandoogan7329
    @jordandoogan7329 Před 3 měsíci

    Easily the best truck out there

  • @dagrwolff6714
    @dagrwolff6714 Před 4 měsíci

    If you have someone's ear at Toyota can you let them know you can't filter for sway bar disconnect when shopping online, I've been trying for weeks to look at inventory but it's very frustrating if you want that major new feature.

  • @bradcomis1066
    @bradcomis1066 Před 4 měsíci

    It would be interesting to contextualize this a bit with some consideration to the performance increase in the real world of a vehicle with a higher number on this Flex Index test. I see the obvious advantages of more flex when using open diffs, but this truck has super responsive traction control and a locking diff. It could probably drive right off the end of the ramp. What benefits in offroad does higher flex offer if you have diff locks or super effective traction control?

  • @carsonfiero4209
    @carsonfiero4209 Před 4 měsíci

    Will my 17” fj cruiser oem 17” steel wheels clear the brakes?

  • @chrisjohnson3912
    @chrisjohnson3912 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I had that calculator in high school... in 1989.

  • @teddonley9594
    @teddonley9594 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I wish you'd run thus test on a Gladiator Rubicon I'd like to see how close IFS has gotten to a solid axle set up

    • @teddonley9594
      @teddonley9594 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Nevermind I saw it. Gladiator nearly drove off the end of the ramp. IFS is coming along but not there yet.

  • @jasco1776
    @jasco1776 Před 4 měsíci

    We’d love to see how the 2nd & 3rd generation Frontier Pro4X does on your flex ramp!

    • @beexiong2995
      @beexiong2995 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Bottom of the list.

    • @jasco1776
      @jasco1776 Před 4 měsíci

      @@beexiong2995 sorry man.. you were right. I think I misunderstood your comment. Looks like the frontier is at the bottom of the list with the RTI score.

  • @richardsegal8202
    @richardsegal8202 Před 3 měsíci

    There have been a lot of reviews but no one has mentioned that the new 2024 Tacoma does not give you a real tire for a spare. Instead they give you a convenience tire mounted on a short trip rim. I’m sure glad I bought a 2023 instead as pulling my boat out of the water every week would kill the 4 cylinder.

  • @dannypinyan3949
    @dannypinyan3949 Před 4 měsíci +1

    They got a name for what they did on the shocks. I just can't remember what it's called.

  • @mattg8116
    @mattg8116 Před měsícem

    Great Video! I got about 5 adds for womens soap while watching, so there must be something in the algorithm for folks interested in the Tacoma. I wont Judge

  • @kennedyracing7527
    @kennedyracing7527 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Why did you not test the TRD Pro truck with the Fox suspension

    • @murffly
      @murffly Před 4 měsíci

      They aren’t available yet.

  • @wyootto264
    @wyootto264 Před 2 měsíci

    Maybe I missed it but the boxed frame is another big change that should be mentioned! Awesome review, otherwise! 👍

  • @TacoXL
    @TacoXL Před 4 měsíci

    What truck had a 3.5 L V6?

  • @user-uc5rs7hf9c
    @user-uc5rs7hf9c Před 3 měsíci

    🔥🔥

  • @5aetern
    @5aetern Před 4 měsíci +1

    there is no locking pin front steering knuckle. just thought I would point that out.

  • @mundoracer
    @mundoracer Před 3 měsíci

    Let's see the Cybertruck!

  • @patr1ckd
    @patr1ckd Před měsícem

    Interested in new 4Runner, Land Cruiser, GX, Bronco, Raptor comparison on this index.

  • @714integra
    @714integra Před 4 měsíci

    Why didnt my 2023 tundra trd offroad come with similar shocks 😅?

  • @tikitak1155
    @tikitak1155 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I really want one, since I'm a current owner of a 3rd gen Taco, but the price point for the TRD Pro and Trail Hunter made me jump 3 miles back. I'll have to pass.

  • @bradenb
    @bradenb Před 27 dny

    Really surprised that the 3rd gen stock TRD Pro beats the 4th gen with disconnected sway bar.

  • @anakinfanini7154
    @anakinfanini7154 Před 4 měsíci

    where window shop at?

  • @JoeMoutard
    @JoeMoutard Před 4 měsíci

    Get yourself a Thermacell to keep those mosquitos off while you do your thing. I've been using them for years and they're no joke.

  • @A.K.allday
    @A.K.allday Před 4 měsíci

    Please do this with new Colorado ZR2

  • @BillyBobTup
    @BillyBobTup Před 3 měsíci

    No more KDSS on Toyotas?

  • @johnsantoro3931
    @johnsantoro3931 Před měsícem

    did anyone notice the plug for the swaybar disconnect wasnt in all the way?

  • @RedHawkStudios
    @RedHawkStudios Před 4 měsíci +1

    but why is the fuel tank so small but same MPG

  • @tomlam3680
    @tomlam3680 Před 4 měsíci

    Can we put the 33” tires on this Tacoma ? sound like we can only put 32”

    • @masonthomas9671
      @masonthomas9671 Před 3 měsíci +1

      You should be able to put 33’s on the 4th gen Tacoma

  • @jeffm737
    @jeffm737 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Why does Toyota not put in a auto mode in 4by 4

  • @pzpatrick
    @pzpatrick Před 4 měsíci

    Is this a pre production tacoma?

  • @wrightnash
    @wrightnash Před 3 měsíci

    That’s a rugged and tough suspension system there

  • @cs-vf2de
    @cs-vf2de Před 4 měsíci

    Wish they would of used KYB shocks over Bilstien

  • @grisa12345
    @grisa12345 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The sway bar disconnect did more than I expected. Looks to me like you could fit 35s on there without too much drama.

  • @Vultite
    @Vultite Před 4 měsíci

    I just put a deposit on a TRD Off Road, I hope production is on time...

  • @Arid379
    @Arid379 Před 4 měsíci

    O man! Does it mean that this is a old man truck

  • @wd8085
    @wd8085 Před 4 měsíci +2

    i had so many people tell me they were going to get the new tacoma but the price killed it for them. Sales numbers may be down due to pricing. Excited to see who is willing to have these high payments.

    • @Unimportantrichard
      @Unimportantrichard Před 4 měsíci

      Not me. Not enough bang for the buck now.

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo Před 4 měsíci +3

      Toyota will still sell gazillions of these things. If you want bang-for-the-buck then the Frontier is the best option.

    • @beexiong2995
      @beexiong2995 Před 4 měsíci +1

      If a guy who isn't a legal citizen and doesn't speak a word of English can get one, so can you

    • @rickeycooley9139
      @rickeycooley9139 Před 3 měsíci

      @@DeuceDeuceBravothe frontier is not a Toyota, and the Toyota is not a frontier.

  • @JulyOverland
    @JulyOverland Před 4 měsíci +1

    Toyota's CEO promise of preventing dealers price gouge was the biggest BS of the century, most if not all of the dealers around my area are asking well above 10k over MSRP, like 65k for a TRD Off road trim 🤬

  • @RossMalagarie
    @RossMalagarie Před 4 měsíci

    I wish you would test the 2024 Colorado Trial Boss as its in the price range of the 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road in specs its a little behind on the suspension.

  • @peacemajola3050
    @peacemajola3050 Před 3 měsíci

    Hahahaha does this mean it’s an old man’s truck?

  • @rodgood
    @rodgood Před 4 měsíci +1

    Toyota sure likes using bolts that are alot longer then they need to be , think of the weight loss with shorter bolts as well as the ease of removal in the rust belt .

    • @ALMX5DP
      @ALMX5DP Před 4 měsíci +1

      I only saw one that seemed a bit long, on the frame side panhard link. Everything else looked okay.

    • @rodgood
      @rodgood Před 4 měsíci

      Do you live in the rust belt ? and remove fasteners often ?@@ALMX5DP

    • @ALMX5DP
      @ALMX5DP Před 4 měsíci

      @@rodgoodno, though I’m not sure what that has to do with my observation..

  • @Cringer101
    @Cringer101 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I imagine the trail hunter should be better, the TRD pro isnt meant to be a rock crawler more of a desert runner but we shall see

  • @BC_Hunter
    @BC_Hunter Před 4 měsíci +3

    I have a deposit down for this exact model but I’m thinking of passing on it. I just can’t justify the price increase. At that price, I might as well buy a full size truck.

    • @beexiong2995
      @beexiong2995 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Checkout fullsize truck prices. A base 4x4 cost the same as this trd offroad. Base means no offroadtech. The offroad has all the technology a pro has minus the suspension

    • @BC_Hunter
      @BC_Hunter Před 4 měsíci

      @@beexiong2995 I’ve looked at a Chevy Silverado 3.0 Duramax Trailboss with lots of extras and it will only be another $8k. My deposit was for the TRD OR Premium with the hybrid engine. That’s going to be probably another $5k there with that engine. That Toyota will probably be $75k all in. That’s f’n crazy for a mid sized truck.

  • @DrewVerdin
    @DrewVerdin Před 4 měsíci +1

    I wouldn't want any of my driving linkages to be made of aluminum 😵

  • @narutonaruto2341
    @narutonaruto2341 Před 4 měsíci

    That calculator came out between 1990 - 92.

  • @jeffk464
    @jeffk464 Před 4 měsíci

    It seems to me leaf springs would be more rugged.

    • @demal1010
      @demal1010 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Leafs have less tunability bandwidth

  • @honda116969
    @honda116969 Před 4 měsíci +1

    3rd Gen Tacoma stops faster than 4th Gen & 4th is also 200+ lbs heavier! Eating into the extra torque it has... Motorweek 115' 60-0... Motor trend 4th gen 121' 60-0... 🤔

    • @Jside68
      @Jside68 Před 4 měsíci +2

      TFL did some test and showed that the 4th gen stops way faster than the 3rd gen. They also did a drag race that was easily won by the 4th gen Tacoma.

    • @honda116969
      @honda116969 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Jside68 .5 seconds also their 1 mile above sea🎚️+ had on 🆕 heavier E-rated tires.. the 4th Gen had on damn near Street tires compared with heavy duty All terrain. So put stock tires on the 3rd gen & sea level might be pretty DAMN close as if it wasn't already 😂... Look up the status I'm telling u where i got the info the 3rd Gen stops faster when stock!!

  • @Tiger-pu4oz
    @Tiger-pu4oz Před 2 měsíci

    Great info! Well done sir! Can you please do one for new Tacoma TRD-PRO. Also, one with Tundra TRD-OFF Road with factory TRD 3” lift kit.

  • @PeakDecline
    @PeakDecline Před 4 měsíci +4

    I'm thoroughly meh'd. The number itself isn't bad. Its just not impressive. And everything I've seen shows the TRD Pro and TH get slightly different upper control arms, and shocks of course, but otherwise basically identical geometry.

  • @michaelbury1941
    @michaelbury1941 Před 4 měsíci +1

    To hell with Toyota. They want 11K CAN above the TrD off road just to get a short box with an automatic. That and the Frontier crawl ratio is 50:1. Why are you reviewers not calling them out for this? Cause your not objective and your cozy with the manufacturer