EV Mod for more RANGE + SPEED

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    00:00 - Intro
    02:31 - Best Body Mod
    03:47 - Results
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Komentáře • 405

  • @AIDRIVR
    @AIDRIVR  Před 3 měsíci +111

    This video is NOT sponsored by T-Sportline, I paid full price for the wheel and tire combo.
    But T-Sportline, if you are reading this, get in touch 😉

    • @alexp.6406
      @alexp.6406 Před 3 měsíci +6

      What’s the actual rim size & tire sizes that you’re using for your new 18”s? Looks awesome BTW! Everybody and their grandma has Uberturbine wheels nowadays 😂

    • @dexter_ay
      @dexter_ay Před 3 měsíci +5

      Pay the man

    • @DTMnoFear
      @DTMnoFear Před 3 měsíci +3

      They really should.

    • @CYBRLFT
      @CYBRLFT Před 3 měsíci

      OMG If they have these light weight wheels for the new 3 I'm so changing. I need to look into the weight of my 18's. But yeah an old drag racer tip was every pound on your wheel is 100 pounds on the car factoring in centrifugal force.
      *Edit my 18's are ~ 88 lbs without aero covers. Makes sense.
      Ah.. AG1 got you too D:

    • @archemity
      @archemity Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@CYBRLFT Yea the stock 18s are very light weight so I wont be spending almost $2k on these, I'm getting a set of 18's uberturbine wheel covers. Slightly less efficient than the stock wheel covers, but I love the looks of the uberturbines. I have a 2021 Model 3 AWD with acceleration boost.

  • @hali9792
    @hali9792 Před 3 měsíci +204

    Tires for smaller rims are also significantly cheaper than larger ones

    • @Scoots1994
      @Scoots1994 Před 3 měsíci

      That is not always true. What I find frustrating is that finding tires for some smaller wheels that match the OE sizes is literally impossible in some cases now.

    • @polarbearigloo
      @polarbearigloo Před 3 měsíci

      @@Scoots1994handcook gt as 94v rating for 18” OE size.

    • @Scoots1994
      @Scoots1994 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@polarbearigloo okay. I have a car with 12" wheels

    • @polarbearigloo
      @polarbearigloo Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@Scoots1994 yeah that size is a challenge

    • @Scoots1994
      @Scoots1994 Před 3 měsíci

      @@polarbearigloo For perspective on what is possible. If you find factory 94-98 hollow spoke Mazda Miata wheels they only weigh 10 lbs (and there are not a ton of performance tire choices) and you can get a set for $200. I've seen 16" wheels that are 9 lbs but cost $8k for a set, and 20" wheels that weigh 14;bs but are more than $16k for a set.
      The lesson is to drive an old light car that miata wheels look good on, or have a lot of money to maximize the advantages of limited un-sprung weight.
      Oh, and last I checked Toyo tires are among the lighter large brands.

  • @Teko-XVI
    @Teko-XVI Před 3 měsíci +279

    So I'll get an extra 44 miles of range without my wife in the car 😂

  • @onceappuonatime
    @onceappuonatime Před 3 měsíci +121

    I appreciate the originality of this Tesla related content. As opposed to just reading off Tesla news articles like other Tesla channels.

    • @Murv
      @Murv Před 3 měsíci

      I've done the mistake of watching one of those twice. Then I noticed he just "has some HUGE LEAK" that will BREAK tesla or TESLA IS NOW UNSTOPPABLE every 2 days.

    • @digitaldreamer8637
      @digitaldreamer8637 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Easily pleased.

  • @greenearth9945
    @greenearth9945 Před 3 měsíci +47

    The 18 inch actually looks quite nice

  • @natep121
    @natep121 Před 3 měsíci +64

    Totally, function over form every day. Personally I think the new ones look better too.

  • @Jbryson88
    @Jbryson88 Před 3 měsíci +13

    I have the exact same setup on my Model Y Performance. I love it, I'm no longer afraid of every pothole or curb.

  • @borasumer
    @borasumer Před 3 měsíci +31

    Big question, why don't Teslas come with 18s stock since it would bump the milage quite a bit which what matters the most. Great test, thank you for that.

    • @taureviews
      @taureviews Před 3 měsíci +2

      Would it be cheaper for tesla to provide the 18 inch stock as well

    • @hotrail8295
      @hotrail8295 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Marketing.. because most people thinks it looks cooler to have big rims! Sure.. it looks cooler, but at a significant cost as demonstrated here in this video.

    • @DeeSock
      @DeeSock Před 3 měsíci +1

      Likely worse braking and cornering

    • @hiltithedrill
      @hiltithedrill Před 3 měsíci

      Not S3XY enough i guess 😅 but would prefer 18s on all Ys stock too.

    • @jsjs6751
      @jsjs6751 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Are they certified for it?

  • @Edwinthebreadwin
    @Edwinthebreadwin Před 3 měsíci +26

    Would it be possible to put metric on screen when talking about weights? I find it really hard to convert fast enough to keep up with all the numbers in this video and I’m sure a lot of other people from outside the US will be the same

    • @aonodensetsu
      @aonodensetsu Před 3 měsíci +2

      it's roughly half in kilograms

    • @mczn9499
      @mczn9499 Před 3 měsíci

      1 pound = 0.45 kg
      1 mile = 1.6km

    • @Techridr
      @Techridr Před 3 měsíci

      I'll help, but first, what is the metric equivalent of a second? ;)

    • @aonodensetsu
      @aonodensetsu Před 3 měsíci

      @@Techridr seconds

    • @marcbeebee6969
      @marcbeebee6969 Před 3 měsíci

      Yes and the people are bigger in usa. 😂

  • @teslasnek
    @teslasnek Před 3 měsíci +53

    My 2022 Performance Tesla Model 3 gets 330-340 miles of range because I put aftermarket wheels that are both lighter and more aerodynamic! That's an 8% improvement to my range btw 😎

    • @Berretotube
      @Berretotube Před 3 měsíci +2

      ❤❤❤

    • @teslasnek
      @teslasnek Před 3 měsíci +5

      @Berretotube I have videos on my channel showing me getting that range consistently. Last year we drove from San Diego to San Luis Obispo for Tesla takeover on a single charge (330 miles), and then did it again driving back.

    • @Berretotube
      @Berretotube Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@teslasnek Brilliant, thanks for the collateral - that's some fantastic range!!

    • @teslasnek
      @teslasnek Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Berretotube the crazy part was we got exactly 219 Wh/mi both ways lol 😄

    • @CYBRLFT
      @CYBRLFT Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@teslasnek what wheels ya rocking?

  • @mustangdaddy4125
    @mustangdaddy4125 Před 3 měsíci +7

    I switched to 19 inch Gemini wheels with continental all season tires and replaced the stock aero hubcaps with model s style dark hubcaps at 39,000 miles. No regrets! I knocked off 46 pounds . Those p zeros cost me at 22,000 miles in 9 months 1000 bucks ( back tires). The time was up to replace them again at 39,000 miles and that’s when I decided to go with the 19 inch setup. I now average 271 to 291 wh/mile at 75 mph compared to 322 to 336 on the 21 inch wheels. Next I need a draggy to see how much faster it is. Great review. Subscribed 😊

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Total Contact patch area is not changed by using narrower tires, shape is.

  • @ivoivic2448
    @ivoivic2448 Před 3 měsíci +2

    smaller wheels = smaller momentum needed to spin them. and before anyone dogpiles on me with "but the total diameter is the same", it's about mass distribution, not diameter.

  • @Babylonbadders
    @Babylonbadders Před 3 měsíci +7

    I like stuff to look cool, but not at the cost of function. I personally don't like skinny tyres for this reason, worse comfort and much more likely to get a puncture. I think yours look great, and the extra straight line speed and range truely make it a no brainer. Cheaper, too, awesome!

  • @Berretotube
    @Berretotube Před 3 měsíci +24

    Gosh you’re good. Phenomenally helpful advice. The stock wheels look great, but if we can get that much more mileage and speed, I’m up for the change. Thanks man!

    • @dannyumana143
      @dannyumana143 Před 3 měsíci

      If on a budget, shop locally for gemini wheels. You can find a good deal and with newer tires

  • @mrpratster
    @mrpratster Před 3 měsíci +5

    Dude.. I am one of them and my original 21" has 33k miles (my VIN is less than 10k) so it's time for a change. I will definitely order the same wheels you use. Great and informative video. Thanks!

  • @TheSailorKing
    @TheSailorKing Před 2 měsíci +2

    By using 245/50R18 instead of OEM 255/35R21 you get a smaller circumference of 30mm and you need 7 Revs more per km which reduces your top speed and efficiency, the measurements by the car are off especially for speed
    also traction of the car is much lower as shown by the last clip.
    The closer tyre size to the original is 250/45R19
    Also tyres for electric cars are specifically made to support the increased torque

  • @dannyumana143
    @dannyumana143 Před 3 měsíci +2

    A video that many tesla owners wanted to see. Thank you
    I switched from 21s to gemini wheels since you can find them for sale locally for significantly less.
    I got a full set rims and newer tires for $800

  • @aarontshaffer
    @aarontshaffer Před 3 měsíci +18

    This was a great test but left out a hugely important safety test: stopping distance. If this also made stopping distance 16% worse I'm not sure that the tradeoff is worth it.

    • @aniaggarwal2433
      @aniaggarwal2433 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Very true, but I suspect it wouldn't make a difference. Since stopping distance is purely based on the static friction coefficient of the tire material when not skipping, assuming you keep the same quality of tire you should have the same stopping distance. Additionally, the breaks will have to stop less rotational inertia of the wheels, so it might very well end up being a decently smaller stop distance.

    • @WinstonMakesMore
      @WinstonMakesMore Před 3 měsíci +5

      If the car can accelerate faster than stock now, unsprung mass differences be damned, the amount of friction between the tires is definitely not worse...

    • @benediktfreude
      @benediktfreude Před 3 měsíci +1

      Important point, but I suspect since it accelerated faster, it should stop at least as good, maybe better

    • @swecreations
      @swecreations Před 3 měsíci +3

      Stopping distance is not going to be any noticeably worse, he went from 255 to 245 tires in the front (where most of the stopping is done) and that is going to make maybe half a percent of difference at most to stopping distance.
      Narrower tires do have the benefit of better grip in rain, gravel/dirt, higher aquaplaning resistance and better grip on snow/ice though.

    • @marcbeebee6969
      @marcbeebee6969 Před 3 měsíci

      A car with that much power, that heavy on such skinny tyres will spin out and crash. Not worth it.
      The normal wheels on 3 performance sacred me on Autobahn. Aint no bmw for sure. Modell 3 drives fast like a s klass benz

  • @matthewmanzi9504
    @matthewmanzi9504 Před 3 měsíci +1

    As another commenter said, what you are talking about is rotational mass and not un-sprung weight. Also wheel weight reduction is likely not the biggest cause of the improvement as with rotational mass, weight in the center has less impact vs weight on the periphery of the wheel/tire. It’s most likely that the 18 inch wheel size is contributing the most to the improvements. As most of the weight of a tire is in the contact portion which has just been moved closer to the center. Not an engineer so any out there feel free to weigh in more on this. My take away is we should be using smaller wheels and not bigger if fuel efficiency is the desired effect.

  • @PHY51C15T
    @PHY51C15T Před 3 měsíci +3

    Outstanding video well done

  • @peter.g6
    @peter.g6 Před 3 měsíci +4

    I never got the obsession with low profile tires on performance cars. To me it's like a sprinter wearing high heels.

    • @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
      @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Před 3 měsíci +2

      A well-meaning fellow approached my revivifier in a Walmart parking lot warning: "your tires are flat!" 😆

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Low profile tires are usually desired in racing on track because of tire deformation. But even then you can see that F1 cars don't have low profile tires

  • @stevecha3612
    @stevecha3612 Před 3 měsíci +2

    This is a very good hack that I don’t think is widely known. On my Model S I changed from 21” wheels to 19” mainly due to potholes/poor roads that were ruining my tires. The performance tires are at least $400 each. The 19” wheels I can drive with much less stress, they are more comfortable, tire replacement is half the price, I can rotate all 4 tires bc it is a square setup and I gained at least an extra 30 miles of range. My last drive was on target to reach 320 miles in one charge at highway speeds. The only downside is that max acceleration is reduced because the more narrow tires get less grip. For me that’s a fair trade off as acceleration runs were fun for the first few times but after 3 years I only drive in chill mode anyway.

    • @paulrybarczyk5013
      @paulrybarczyk5013 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I'm now on my second Model S, and for all the reasons you mentioned, I went for 19's on both. My first was a Ludicrous P90D, and I was glad the S lets you get performance without the big wheels. My current one is a regular 2020 Long Range with the 19" Tempest wheels ... first thing I did was take off its ugly (to me) aero hubcaps. Its naked Tempest wheels look GREAT without those covers. Maybe a little less range, but who cares?

  • @alexp.6406
    @alexp.6406 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Brilliant, thank you, sir! I suspected that smaller wheels would increase the range, but didn’t realize the difference would be so significant. I also like bigger sidewalls, makes for a cushy ride (and it’s faster with longer range = win win win).

  • @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
    @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Před 3 měsíci +1

    For frozen Canuckleheads, we could buy winter tires on smaller wheels: range increase might combat cold temperature decrease. Interesting...

  • @yourlogicalnightmare1014
    @yourlogicalnightmare1014 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I ordered 19"s yeaterday on TireRack to replace my 21"s, and amazingly you decided to do a video of exactly what I'm expecting to see... less curb rash, less bumpyness, better mileage, better performance

  • @cougarcon2172
    @cougarcon2172 Před 3 měsíci +7

    Do you feel less road noise? Less contact with road should means less road noise transmitted into the cabin.

    • @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
      @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Před 3 měsíci

      Quieter is tire specific. The quietest tires my revivifier has found are Conti WINTERContact... Bizarre!

  • @_witful
    @_witful Před 3 měsíci +3

    Love the b-roll footage… and how it smoothly follows the dialogue

    • @JetFire9
      @JetFire9 Před 3 měsíci

      Bot?

    • @_witful
      @_witful Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@JetFire9No? Just enjoyed the rolling shots while going over the weight reduction, timings, and side benefits 🤷

  • @trinishipp
    @trinishipp Před 3 měsíci

    this was such an informative video that i was not expecting it out to be. thank you

  • @panini3929
    @panini3929 Před 3 měsíci +10

    Great video! How would you say the comfortability/ride quality changed?

    • @tofudeliverygt86
      @tofudeliverygt86 Před 3 měsíci +8

      lighter tires with more sidewall are always more comfy, he mentions it is better but not by how much

  • @incognitotorpedo42
    @incognitotorpedo42 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Lighter wheels don't make you faster because they're unsprung, they make you faster because of rotational inertia. It takes a lot more energy to spin up a large diameter wheel compared to a small one. Where unsprung mass comes into play is in handling on rough surfaces. The lighter unsprung mass can react more quickly to bumps in the road. If you attached a weight to your lower control arms, which would be unsprung, it would have the same effect at the drag strip as if it were in the back seat. Great video, BTW. I'd never dream of running low profile tires on the street. You pay for it in so many ways. I run 19's with 45 series tires on my Model S, and love the car.

  • @blorax5179
    @blorax5179 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for running the tests - this is exactly the same change I'm considering for the same reasons.

    • @AIDRIVR
      @AIDRIVR  Před 3 měsíci

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @MrTree421
    @MrTree421 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Yeah ignoring the tire weight is really a bit of an issue considering that while you have reduced weight you have also increased drag with those non air tunnel tested rims. And while rims are metal they are usually a hell of a lot lighter than thick rubber with metal weaved into it.

  • @_cjmccullough
    @_cjmccullough Před 3 měsíci

    Great idea. I will definitely be doing this even with a long range when i get it. Super helpful to make even the long range faster and get better range

  • @stevendaniel8704
    @stevendaniel8704 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The flywheel effect is where you are gaining performance because it takes more power to spool up heavier wheels and tires. You will gain a small amount purely from the weight loss (f = ma), but it is only the rolling resistance of tires times the weight reduction. Flywheel power is a squared function of the change in rotation speed at the outside diameter times the inertia of the tire, so a smaller diameter and lighter wheel and tire make a much bigger change to the power required to accelerate. This is why race cars use super lightweight flywheels. I calculated the flywheel of my mustang absorbed 50 hp to go from idle to 7000 rpm. That's hp that comes off the total output. The trade offs are as you said, looks and getting the power to the pavements. The rest of the range increase has to be aerodynamics.

  • @adamhahler4205
    @adamhahler4205 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I have the exact same car and have been looking at the same rims. Two questions. 1, are those the satin black or the grey rims? 2, how are you able to re-calibrate the speedometer in the car?

  • @AlenMajetic
    @AlenMajetic Před 3 měsíci +4

    Now get some aero covers that fit those 18's and run the tests again. Maybe modify the factory 19 aero covers? Or get a shop to make them and mass produce them.

    • @alanvonweltin6820
      @alanvonweltin6820 Před 3 měsíci

      Yes, very interesting to know what the net effect of going with the 18s and aero covers vs. not using the covers - this is perfect timing as my 2022 Y is getting close to needing new tires. I am a little concerned about increased road noise if the tires aren't made with EVs in mind...

  • @wagnerfamily4229
    @wagnerfamily4229 Před 3 měsíci

    I have had Tsportline 18” wheels since the first day I picked up my 2022 model Y Performance from Tesla in late 2022. After 76,000 miles they have held up perfectly and look as good as new.

  • @thelimitingfactor
    @thelimitingfactor Před 3 měsíci

    Agreed, we should get the option for a wheel and tire package like this on the performance vehicles

  • @jakesto
    @jakesto Před 3 měsíci +6

    Does this have more to do with removing rotating weight rather than unsprung? I can imagine that removing weight on rotating parts reduces the moment of inertia that must be overcome when accelerating. However, I can't immediately understand why removing weight on unsprung parts would have a greater effect than removing weight on the rest of the car. Although, I guess the wheels and brake discs are about the only parts of the car that aren't suspended, so maybe there isn't a difference.

    • @Octamed
      @Octamed Před 3 měsíci

      Unsprung weight is why they never came with hub motors. Vertical movement absorbs energy that could be going to forward movement with heavy weight.

    • @stevendaniel8704
      @stevendaniel8704 Před 3 měsíci +1

      absolutely correct. imagine going the other way and mounting something heavy like a large truck tire. It takes a lot of hp to just accelerate it. The weight reduction would change the suspension reaction too.

    • @matthewmanzi9504
      @matthewmanzi9504 Před 3 měsíci +2

      You are correct. Unsprung weight isn’t as important as rotational mass.

    • @matthewmanzi9504
      @matthewmanzi9504 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Octamedactually that’s not the reason for no hub motors. Hub motors are actually much more efficient. You are likely only thinking in terms of the rotational mass of the wheels and hub motors would increase that, but rotational mass includes the rotating mass in the motors, the driveshafts, and any other parts. That rotate from the motor. Hub motors only rotate at the wheels and have much less overall rotating mass along with less total system friction.

    • @Octamed
      @Octamed Před 3 měsíci

      @@matthewmanzi9504 yeah it’s really just something you have to add up all the factors and go with the best one. Tesla were considering hub motors but I guess it didn’t add up

  • @isaacyoung1868
    @isaacyoung1868 Před 3 měsíci +1

    so if i have a MYLR and I have aero wheels, am i really going to benefit from this upgrade besides looking better?

  • @pauldesi
    @pauldesi Před 3 měsíci

    New viewer here.. and glad I came across your content here. Perfect timing as I’m in the market for wheel/ tire options. Ps; REALLY well done video! New viewer is now a subscriber!

    • @AIDRIVR
      @AIDRIVR  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you for the nice words Paul!

  • @LearningFast
    @LearningFast Před 3 měsíci +1

    The compound of the tire actually affects efficiency the most. Exactly which 18” tires did you get? Are they all season tires? I have the 235/45/18 Hankook iON EVO AS tires on my T Sportline TS5 wheels and I have seen as much as an 18% increase in efficiency over the stock 20” Uberturbine wheels on the Model 3 Performance.

    • @rantos9
      @rantos9 Před 3 měsíci +1

      It's on the video, next to the 0-60 times. All tires are Michelin Pilot 4S, just size was changed.

  • @jluuhalo1286
    @jluuhalo1286 Před 3 měsíci

    Unrelated to wheel size what tire pressures are you running with the 18”? I have a MYP downsized to 19” and run 40PSI vs the 42 recommend and get similar consumpation levels with a slightly less bouncy ride.

  • @MrAgility888
    @MrAgility888 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Do the 18 inch wheels change the ground clearance of the car?

  • @brianjohnson2650
    @brianjohnson2650 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Thanks for the info. I know nothing about tires & I've wondered for awhile why Model Y Long Range does not come standard with 18 inch tires from factory? Based on your video it seems like it would give less weight, better mileage, etc.... Isn't that what Tesla wants for all it's cars that are not performance? Is there any downside for safety etc for regular daily driving that going down to 18 inch tires does to the car?

  • @bikergeekgd
    @bikergeekgd Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for this review. Are your TS5 wheels satin gray or black?

  • @dd4561
    @dd4561 Před 3 měsíci +1

    you should change to lighter brake disc next from "mountain pass" and lighter lug nuts from "unplugged performance" for more unsprung weight reduction

  • @realchurch2693
    @realchurch2693 Před 3 měsíci

    The smaller diameter tire is where your improved acceleration is coming from. Weight helps but the diameter is like changing the gear ratio.

  • @DatDeer.
    @DatDeer. Před 3 měsíci

    Does the efficiency get better with some kind of aero wheel caps on them? Would be nice to know.

  • @Rishi45001
    @Rishi45001 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Cool video. Didn’t realize how much benefits can be had with just lighter wheels.
    Small nit pick. It’s not the reduction in unsprung mass that is improving the 0-60 time and range. It’s the reduction in rotating mass (and the resultant rotational inertia) that is helping the most.
    For example, taking mass out of the knuckle wouldn’t be as beneficial as the wheel even though they are both unsprung mass.

    • @matthewmanzi9504
      @matthewmanzi9504 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah I thought the same thing when I watched. Unsprung mass is very different than rotational mass. Wheels and tires are counted in both.

  • @nathanlarson6011
    @nathanlarson6011 Před 3 měsíci

    Interesting, I was curious to doing something similar with my Prius and finding ways to make it more efficient. Would the gear ratio effect of having a smaller diameter wheel provide more of an influence to the 0-60 time than the weight reduction?

  • @CleridwenFR
    @CleridwenFR Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for the info! This sounds like an easy choice to make for EVs that already have a low range but offer multiple rim sizes, like the Honda E, which barely gets 100 miles.

  • @neilbrideau8520
    @neilbrideau8520 Před 3 měsíci

    Wow, they look great! Kindof an old school performance car vibe with the extra sidewall.

  • @user_z01
    @user_z01 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Planning on doing this one my MYP once my original tires need replacing.

  • @lbeck37
    @lbeck37 Před měsícem

    Great video! I have a '23 Model Y Performance, so I was very interested in your results.
    The actual measurements you made for 0-60 and efficiency were very enlightening. There's nothing like a stop watch or actual range to measure performance differences! Stopping distances would also be interesting.
    The commonly quoted 4x difference in the effect of unsprung weight versus sprung weight, usually has to do with cornering performance over rough surfaces where the suspension is able to keep the lighter wheel more in contact with the road. A rule-of-thumb is that in order to get the car around a (bumpy) corner at the same speed, 4 times the reduction in unsprung weight would have to be removed from the sprung weight of the car.
    I think the difference in 0-60 times probably has more to do with the moment of inertia of the tire/wheel assembly being reduced, both by the lighter weight, and that the weight on the 18" wheel assembly being more toward the axle. I don't ithink wheel weight alone would have much effect on range.
    The Force= (Mass X Acceleration) equation tells how much more force is needed to accelerate (the wheel rotation) for a wheel assembly with a greater moment of inertia (Mass).
    Measuring the moment of inertia is a lot harder than using a scale to measure the weight of the wheel of the wheel! I recall (from long ago) that the "simplest" way to measure the moment of inertia is to suspend the object from a long rod with a known stiffness (in-pounds per degree rotation) and measure the period of oscillation. There must be an easier way by now. :)
    I would be very interested in what others know about this.
    BTW- I think the the smaller wheels don't look all that bad. With the better acceleration and range, the reduction in curb rash and broken rims and (probably) a smoother ride, it's OK that it doesn't look as racy.
    Thanks again for the great videos.

  • @nomadicyoutube
    @nomadicyoutube Před 3 měsíci +1

    Function over form for me as well. That said, I thought you managed to obtain both with the 18" wheel and tire package that you selected for your Model Y Performance.

  • @BuRNingFLaN
    @BuRNingFLaN Před 3 měsíci +2

    Great video regarding the benefits of getting smaller rims with more sidewall! Question: I do quite a bit of driving on dirt roads-- with a dual motor Model Y, would 17" rims and all terrain tires be an ok match with that car? Also in LA, with the road conditions, would much rather have more tire. Thanks!

    • @NitroZakis
      @NitroZakis Před 3 měsíci +1

      There was a test by some rims-producing company and they mentioned a 2 mm brake caliper clearance which they’ve found not acceptable. Also there is a guy on TMC who tried 17” from a Hyundai Genesis. Personally, I’m looking for a working solution. Ideally, forged aluminum or even forged magnesium (but not likely) 17” wheels. Anyway, the simplest path is to use OEM 18” from Model 3. Light enough and much cheaper.

    • @BuRNingFLaN
      @BuRNingFLaN Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@NitroZakis thanks for the tip regarding going with the oem model 3 18s! I would also like to put all terrains on those wheels.

    • @NitroZakis
      @NitroZakis Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@BuRNingFLaN You definitely should in some cases. Lots of examples of (non-)lifted MYs with badass AT-tires. Sometimes, with modified comfort suspension (coilovers). MY is a great light-duty off-roader if equipped right. 👍

  • @ciaotesla
    @ciaotesla Před 3 měsíci

    wow! I have a MYP, so this is interesting, did you test by adding a cover too?

  • @left_foot_brake
    @left_foot_brake Před 3 měsíci

    This is an excellent video thank you

  • @eliasshedd
    @eliasshedd Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you so much for doing this I really appreciate it.

  • @zaq405
    @zaq405 Před 3 měsíci +1

    On the 18" wheels, your overall tire diameter has decreased and therefore your gearing is lower [better for acceration]. Due to your smaller rolling diameter, you aren't covering the same mileage. A 300 mile journey will now register as 314 miles on your odometer. So your 0-60 and mileage claims are flawed. A more accurate test would be 255/50R18 as the diameter difference is only 0.04% difference.

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster Před 3 měsíci +1

    It's sort of funny that the wheel size you're going "down" to is the upgraded 18" size wheels on my ILX A-Spec, which still look big to me lol

  • @EverydayRoadster
    @EverydayRoadster Před 3 měsíci +2

    Reduced mass of unsprung weight should help when cornering as well. At the end it’s fighting centrifugal force, and cars won’t lean in as much as bikes or bicycles. Grip from surface area is generally overestimated.

    • @NitroZakis
      @NitroZakis Před 3 měsíci

      It’s not overestimated, it’s just misinterpreted: you have the same contact patch area with narrow wheels, but it’s shape’s different.

  • @digitman2010
    @digitman2010 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Another note: High side winds shakesTesla with 21" much less while cruising above 60 mph / 100 Km/h

  • @choco-latte608
    @choco-latte608 Před 3 měsíci

    I like both wheels, I like the stock ones and the ones you put on it, They both look good in their own respects and i see zero problem with having more sidewall specially if you have bad roads

  • @weorldedit
    @weorldedit Před 3 měsíci +1

    The wheels take more energy to accelerate because they are rotating. A very easy mod to increase efficiency is also to not get the performance model. The removed motors also have a lot of rotating weight.

  • @writofmandamus
    @writofmandamus Před 3 měsíci

    How much would it typically cost to change out the stock tires to 18"? What's the ROI? Can you typically sell the stock tires back to the shop?

  • @podersen
    @podersen Před 3 měsíci +1

    If we go by function over form, couldn't you try putting on the aero plastic covers on the 18's and compare the range benefit? Would be interested in seeing the difference it makes.

  • @CncObsession
    @CncObsession Před 3 měsíci

    Great presentation.
    I have a 2020 MYP.
    Recently due to hating the stretched tire look and lack of bump absorption.
    I moved the rear 275's to the front rims and installed 295's on the rear.
    Ride quality improved drastically however you could definitely sense more drag and effect on the acceleration.
    I do use a Dragy to confirm this. I never got under a 3.7 regardless of what Tesla says I weigh 240.
    Like you, I floor mine every time I get a chance however I do search out corners as much as I can.
    Since then I have installed Teins and have some adjustability but the tire change helped the most.
    Trying to find 21" or maybe 20's an inch narrower at both ends has been almost impossible unless I went to 19's.
    I would like to keep the stock tire sizes on narrower rims.
    Your video might make rethink it.
    I do want a little less sidewall than those 18's expose.
    Thanks again for the information.

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Před 3 měsíci +1

    What about the weight of the tires? As the wheel size goes down there is more carcass to the tires. And 22lbs is not really all that record setting lightness ... I wonder what it would do if it was REALLY maximized.

  • @blorax5179
    @blorax5179 Před 3 měsíci

    One question re your 0-60 runs with on the 18s - were the tires brand new before the test or had you driven on them first for some miles as I expect was the case for the stock 21s? I'm only asking because the times seemed to be trending down as though some kind of burn in was occurring.

  • @cpear760
    @cpear760 Před 3 měsíci

    I like the more-sidewall look of the 18's. Besides, the turbine wheels look like they're ready to pop out of the tire. Plus the fact that your 0-60 and overall range impoved. I'd say the 18s are the winners.

  • @RemieCremers
    @RemieCremers Před 3 měsíci

    The reason I never even considered going for a performance car is the fact that they always come with large rims. Ride comfort of small rims with big tires is something I’d never sacrifice. Even knowing that the cool kids don’t like the looks. You’re inside your car more than you’re looking at it anyway. So function over form ftw!

  • @DavidDrivesElectric
    @DavidDrivesElectric Před 3 měsíci

    I am surprised by the much better 0-60 times. That's awesome. I don't believe the energy consumption difference is as much as you were able to measure. Maybe other factors played in, but even if it's only 10% difference, that is still awesome. I got a MYP as well and the first thing I did is replace the 21 inch wheels with 18 inch from FastEV. They were far less expensive than the tSportline ans they have aero shields (optional). Very happy with mine after 7k miles with these.

  • @H3LL0SP8C3
    @H3LL0SP8C3 Před 3 měsíci

    Outstanding video!!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️

  • @NimaAbbaspour
    @NimaAbbaspour Před 3 měsíci

    Tesla must give an option for 18in wheels. I have taught about this for a long time. This is a fact for all EVs and I still don't know why we consumers cannot have a choice when we want more range to get smaller wheels from a manufacturer.

  • @screenplay78de
    @screenplay78de Před 3 měsíci

    This smile! ;-)
    Super interesting content, thank you!

  • @marcelsilveira1117
    @marcelsilveira1117 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Would these same 18 inch wheels fit on the model 3 performance with similar savings on range and speed?

  • @jarmis777
    @jarmis777 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Super informative video! Oh, and I love my stealth Performance 3 with 18s for all of these reasons. 😃

    • @AIDRIVR
      @AIDRIVR  Před 3 měsíci +2

      I would have totally ordered a stealth Model Y, wish it was still an option!

    • @jarmis777
      @jarmis777 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Where I live the roads are so horrible the 20s would’ve blown 20 times by now. 😆. Instead, I’m on just my 2nd set of 18s after the first set gave me all of their mileage.

  • @volkhen0
    @volkhen0 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Is the tire circumference the same? If not then your range will be wrong.

    • @rantos9
      @rantos9 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Using an online calculator:
      OEM fronts circumference: 711mm
      OEM rears circumference: 726mm
      New wheels and tires: 701mm
      If speed is taken from the fronts, the speed will be off by 1.4%. So I'd say they are matching, rule of thumb is less then 3% is fine.
      I'm not very well versed in Teslas, but I believe they also have some kind of compensation mechanism on the TPMS systems that you can use when changing tire sizes.

  • @guard13007
    @guard13007 Před 29 dny

    Smaller wheels are also more efficient (for most uses), as in the radius alone makes a significant difference.

  • @oliverwunsch4412
    @oliverwunsch4412 Před 3 měsíci +1

    So I need 17 Inch Rims for the M3 SR... any out there?

  • @temaus
    @temaus Před 3 měsíci

    I’ve done the math: you added 11 pounds in tires weight. Still big savings.
    Now I wish there was also testing done for the 19 Aero wheels… that’s what I would want to have tbh

  • @mustangdaddy4125
    @mustangdaddy4125 Před 2 měsíci

    I finally did the dragy on my 2021 Yp with 19 inch Gemini wheels with continental all season tires I got 3.38 and 3.41 to sixty minus 1 ft rollout. 3.62 and 3.63 without rollout 😊

  • @The1andonlyBYack
    @The1andonlyBYack Před 3 měsíci

    I recently put some TSportline wheels on my S and I absolutely love the look and additional efficiency. I need to run some fresh 0-60 times once it warms up a bit. I previously got 3.7 seconds on my LR+ so I’m curious if it is now better like yours due to the lighter wheels. Great video!

  • @linux230
    @linux230 Před 3 měsíci

    Very soothing voice. I honestly could fall asleep to you

  • @tHebUm18
    @tHebUm18 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Was planning to get the 19in wheels solely because the aero covers for the Model 3 look so lame--until the person at Tesla kindly informed me the aero covers have nice looking wheels underneath. Popped the aero covers off right at delivery and have enjoyed the stylish wheels beneath since while enjoying the range/comfort/damage resistance benefits of 18in.

    • @WarpedTrekker
      @WarpedTrekker Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah my tesla store showed me the wheels too. Just need black lugs as the silver i didnt like.

    • @tHebUm18
      @tHebUm18 Před 3 měsíci

      @@WarpedTrekker Yup, got some cheap lug nut covers + hub thing w/ the logo to make it look cleaner for $15 on Amazon.

  • @chestodor4161
    @chestodor4161 Před 3 měsíci

    How is high speed handling affected by the thicker more bulging sidewall of the 18"?

  • @benediktfreude
    @benediktfreude Před 3 měsíci

    Great, thanks for the advice. Ive thought about switching from 20" to 18" for comfort reasons for a long time. But a new set of tires wheels is quite the investment, so I've held back in that. Rethinking now

  • @bjornsmasher66
    @bjornsmasher66 Před 3 měsíci +1

    ending it with a few donuts is perfect.

  • @alliao82
    @alliao82 Před 3 měsíci

    18" gang. local tyre sellers caught onto my game, my tyre prices have since gone through the roof. was $270 ea they're now at least $400... at least I still got my current set...

  • @ariadnelecoutre9453
    @ariadnelecoutre9453 Před 3 měsíci

    Looks good with the 18 inch wheels!

  • @350zLeMans
    @350zLeMans Před 3 měsíci +1

    How much were the rims sportline?

  • @RyanZNO
    @RyanZNO Před 3 měsíci +6

    Did you adjust the speedometer for the smaller wheels?

    • @mifino
      @mifino Před 3 měsíci +2

      This! If the range is measured based on number of wheel rotations, then no wonder the "range" is higher

    • @GForceAce
      @GForceAce Před 3 měsíci

      The range is calculated by wh/mi (Watt Hours Per Mile) so the range should be very accurate. @@mifino

    • @mifino
      @mifino Před 3 měsíci +4

      ​@@GForceAce yes but in order to calculate wh/mi the car must know how many miles have been traveled. in most cars that is done by counting the number of rotations of the wheel, so I assumed Tesla will do the same, but when the tire size changes, this calculation will be wrong

    • @ManWith2Hats
      @ManWith2Hats Před 3 měsíci

      The overall circumference is similar as the new tyres are taller. Likely don't need to adjust the speedometer.

    • @RyanZNO
      @RyanZNO Před 3 měsíci

      @@ManWith2Hats that’s not at all accurate…

  • @Mikkel111
    @Mikkel111 Před 3 měsíci

    It's not only unsprung weight, it's also rotational mass.

  • @PStar42
    @PStar42 Před 3 měsíci

    Excellent video !
    I also prefer thicker sidewall to rubber band tires.

  • @Petlaw99
    @Petlaw99 Před 3 měsíci

    I saw that you used Michelin in a 245/50 x 18 size. What type of tyre? Primacy, Pilot Sport?

  • @Darthwriter
    @Darthwriter Před 3 měsíci

    Great video. If I wasn't leasing my Model 3, I might consider doing something like this with it. Also, I think the smaller rims with thicker tires looks better. Has to be better for road noise and smoothing out the ride a bit as well.

  • @blakexi7162
    @blakexi7162 Před 3 měsíci +1

    well you should measure the weight reduction of wheels + tires, I'm sure the tires are heavier to achieve the same outside diameter with thicker side wall