Why Bassoons are NOT allowed in Marching Band
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- It's marching season!!! Just like me, the bassoon is not meant for the outdoors... I go over most of the main points on why it is impractical to have bassoon players march with their instrument.
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My school allows us to do it but we have to sign waivers lol. I just play piccolo for the Marching season.
That's what I did too! I played flute and piccolo also, so I just bought a plastic body/silver plated head Yamaha piccolo and made my marching band life super easy!
Idk if my school allows it, probably not, but I just do drumline(bass 2)
@@lorenclark8457bass 2, let’s goooo
(Although one of our tenors (quads) is leaving so now I have to learn that in two weeks for our next football game
Same
Flag corps!
We need more marching cello players anyhow.
Ever see Woody Allen's "Take the Money and Run"?
I did a show with Mark Wood from TSO once and he had a cello that he basically attached a quad drum harness to so he could run around and be Mark Wood lol 😂
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I was fortunate that my band teacher didn't make me do anything at all. But, I did find that there's a thing called a single Reed mouthpiece for a bassoon. It uses an E flat clarinet Reed. I never used it for marching band, but I did use it for jazz band. It didn't change the tone a lot, but it did add just a hint of that sax snarl for jazz.
Yep I know exactly what you're talking about...i've tried that mouthpiece in another one of my other videos lol
Where can I get one?
JAZZ BASSOON. I love it!
The Bassoon mouthpiece, and only one I know of, was made by Runyon Products. They are now out of business. That mouthpiece was actually quite good. It used a standard Bb Clarinet reed. In designing it, Mr. Runyon made it to have the same internal volume as a well made bassoon double reed. He used it for doubling in the Chicago Theatre Orchestra where he played 5 shows a night transmitted over NBC Radio in the '30's and '40's. A listener would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the sound produced by that mouthpiece and a double reed.
@@hiiexist479 Runyon Products is out of business, and had not produced any bassoon mouthpieces for quite some time even before they closed.
This is the EXACT reason I'm in color guard! My band teacher originally put me on cymbals and it was so boring compared to the bassoon. There were like, three ways to play. So I then went to color guard. I really didn't feel like learning another instrument freshman yeah smh.
The big reason that I tell people is the "if i trip, it goes down my throat" and then no one aruges.
I'm guessing this was your high school band director. Now, my instrument is Trumpet, but I have fond memories of watching the Perc section in college do interesting things, and cymbals were never boring. Want proof? Go find a movie called Drumline.
Color guard is where it’s at (even if I’ve broken like 6ish bones, had to wash blood out of clothing and off equipment, and had a few concussions)
@@crashvds777 Rifles for me and did both flag/rifles in Drum Corp. Hung up the trombone.
First off, the movie drumline is a movie, not real life. Second, im actually in drumline at my hs which in 2022 got 6th during WGI Finals, and drumline the movie is more like college drumline which is more making noise based. If you want a good example of cymbals being crazy watch pulse percussion's 2023 cymbal break. But drumline IRL and drumline the movie have 1 similarity and thats the fact they have drums in them.
I started in drumline in 6th but hated it so I play clarinet now and do colorgaurd but I’m probably gonna quit colorgaurd and play trumpet or trombone as well as clarinet
BOTTOM LINE: The bassoonists are the ones who don't allow them outside, because they love and respect their instruments too much. Thal love and respect is justified. (I am not a musician, but I love the music that emanates from them.)
In 8th grade as a bassoonist, I wanted to join the drumline. After our last concert of the year, I was approached by the band director with a proposition. He said "Hey! Here's a mellophone!" So now I can play that too! Yippee!
That was 9 years ago. And to be fair, I was not the only bassoonist he did that to. One of my best friends at the time got a tuba that year. I loved marching mellophone though and since I hung around french horn players a lot, I have a really weird sense of humor now ;p
Wait what is their sense of humour like? Also what’s a mellophone? I am horrified there’s a band instrument I don’t know
@@M_SC It is the marching instrument for the French horn. I've seen bands march the French horn as well, but the mellophone is easier to carry.
French horn players are just a bit unique in their own way. Hard to describe 😜
There is a classic double reed instrument that is traditionally played outdoors in all kinds of weather. It cleverly addresses most all the issues you identify. The reed is in a separate enclosure so is not affected by walking movements. There is a separate air reservoir so tone is not affected by walking. The setup facilitates carrying on the shoulder. Rain does affect it but the major problem is that it doesn’t merge well with other instruments for most band repertoire. I am of course referring to the Great Highland Bagpipe or GHB for short.
And it isn't chromatic, and isn't tuned to the same pitch as standard instruments.
It also will drown out the rest of the band.
@@oldfarthacks You say that as though it were a bad thing.
There's another double-reed instrument that can march and actually works very well with bagpipes, to the degree that entire groups are made up of that pairing (and percussion). The Breton bombarde.
And the Schalmai.
Even in 1972 when I was in band I did NOT march with my bassoon. I pretended to play the flute. And as expected out of 200 band members there were exactly 5 bassoonists. Really enjoyed your video - like a blast from the past.
i played oboe in middle school and remember my band teacher saying if i wanted to do marching band in HS id have to switch to percussion, but he never explained why. thanks for the informative video!
In the massive marching band featured in the final scene of The Music Man (1962, Warner Bros.) there was a whole row of marching bassoonists, and despite the presence of seventy-six trombones, each bassoon had its big fat say.
Just watched “The Music Man” a few days ago….watch it every year or two.
I always wondered: the lyrics to “Seventy-Six Trombones” mentions bassoons, each having is big fat say. But I knew that this is absurd; you can’t march with a bassoon. So why is that lyric in there? It fits the rhythm and rhyme of the song, but it makes no sense.
@@davidkantor7978 Some people think bassoon = tuba (the same people who think we play oboe).
“Most high school band programmes have 4-6 bassoon players”
My band that has 0 bassoons:
y'all get 4-6 bassoonists on average??? we basically have a party for every bassoon we can get
Hell, I was the ONLY bassoon player for my entire middle and high school years! We had two girls who were oboe players in middle school; I don't remember how many we had in high school, but it wasn't more than three in any one year. Not small schools, either - average number of students was about 2200 per school, per year. Oh, and the only reason that I even was a bassoon player was because my band teacher asked me to switch (I was in 6th grade, and was 3rd chair clairinet at the time) I hadn't heard of the bassoon before he asked me! When he showed me one after I asked, I thought it was both the weirdest and the coolest instrument I had seen.
my highschool band didnt even have a bassoon lol
We definitely had a bassoon in our marching band and we were one of the most competitive bands in California. She used a different mouthpiece of course.
Years ago someone made a clarinet-like mouthpiece with a single reed that fit a bassoon bocal for outdoor use. Made that aspect easier. I've played my old plastic Linton outside on the march using either a Fox or Legere plastic reed. Not exactly comfortable, and totally inaudible, but still fun.
My HS band marched bassons and oboes. The only instrument changes we had for outside were flutes changed to piccolos, french horns switched to bell front FH, tubas switched to sousaphones, and upright euphoniums were switched to curved bell baritones.
My elementary-school band had a baritone-sousaphone; after all, it fit over a kid’s body.
This was a great video. Also, it's so affirming what you said about the saxophone and the bassoon, I play both and I feel the similarities, I transfer a lot of the saxophone techniques to the bassoon.
Thank you for this informative purposed, inspirational and educational recording formatted video, on the reason(s) for the absence of bassoons and other double reed instruments in marching bands. I enjoyed the video editing and was engaged by the light additional humorous references. Much appreciated and looking forward to your future videos.
As a tuba player, I can confirm that I have become a radar dish.
Funny cc joke
I was a tuba player in high school (sousaphone for marching band). Our band director loved marching band and that rubbed off on us. It's been a while, but I think I remember one of our oboe players playing alto sax during marching band, another swapping to clarinet, and our bassoon player played sousaphone with us tuba players. I kind of maybe remember us having a second bassoon player, but I'm having a hard time remembering. This was more than twenty years ago, so there's a lot I've forgotten.
Coming from germany, i never knew marching bands were a thing. In Germany we have what's called a Blaskapelle. It's basically a small band-club for wind instruments playing folk songs for example.
Das Musikkorps Der Bundeswehr?
You're lucky, marching band is the worst
What the US terms Marching Band is much more than the traditional military style marching bands you see elsewhere in the world. We still came from the same tradition, but it got tied to American Football and became more of a pageantry band over just straight parade marching. I can't tell you how it started, but I'm sure Wikipedia can. Also, there are military/parade bands that do fancy stuff in the street.
Mind you, we do parades, too. My high school marching band used to practice parade marching two weeks in spring because the school was in a small town and the big event in spring was the Whoopy Days. Featured a parade, so of course the local High School was going to play in it.
Now, there's a style of the US Marching Band tradition called Drum and Bugle that's mostly perc, brass, and color guard. The organization that's running a professional version (DCI or Drum Core International) does have a branch in Europe, and I think has chapters in Germany that perform and compete. So, it's coming for you. :P
2003 ( I think) BOA grand national champions Westfield HS had 4 bassoons playing “Dead Elvis” by Dougherty. It was a bop.
Fabulous video. It takes a smart mind to make a 7 minute show about bassoon safety. I was in marching band in the 1960's. When first asked, I told the band director I wanted to play piano. Everyone laughed and I didn't know why, until I really thought about it. Been a party/dance band leader for 50 years. keep up the good work.
My school did a bassoon feature with our 8 bassoons so it is real, (texas highschool marching band lol)
Texas high school marching bands are intense lol
Flower Mound HS, bassoons in a box. What made that even more impressive is that there was contrabass bassoon in the mix. Pretty expensive instrument to take on trips.
It’d be really cool if y’all played Turkish march and then Bravura. And it would be also really cool if it was done by a military marching band (specifically from Kingwood) and the bassoon part wouldn’t be cool if it didn’t have the legendary Patrick Jia in it.
Loved the video! I was a French Horn player, and for marching band, the director handed me not a mellophone, but an E-flat alto horn that some of my bandmates called a baby baritone, which is kind of what the instrument looks like. A lot of what you said about not being able to hear a bassoon outside, especially when played with typical marching band instruments, and faking an instrument reminded me of Peter Schickele's introduction to "PDQ Bach's Sinfonia Concertante for Six Solo Instruments and String Orchestra". While talking about the solo instruments, he says, "When the bagpipe is playing, you can't hear anything else, whereas the lute is such a quiet instrument that if there is simply another instrument in the room with it, you can't hear it, whether it's being played or not." After telling the audience that PDQ Bach never found any solution to this imbalance, he finishes with, "But the lute looks nice. ... It's a very nice lute, and we hope you enjoy it ... Think of it while listening to the bagpipe."
I have said this before and will say it again, THE BASSOON HAS THE SOUND TEXTURE OF A BROWN CRAYON. Thank you for your video.
Not sure why this was in my feed, but you gave great explanations for your topic.
Very entertaining and informative video. Well done and thanks.
Great explanation! Thanks. I always wondered about that. I wanted to play bassoon in Jr High, but was put on bass clarinet so I could be on the marching band. I never knew the reason why until now. I just knew "bassoons aren't in the marching band." Much appreciated.
I was the only bassoonist at my high school, and I played oboe in marching band. It actually worked decently well - if you're marching correctly, your head stays level, and you don't need to worry about the reed too much. I played the flute part - yes, at pitch lol
What about Heckelphone?
The Heckelphone is meant to blend with the oboe, English horn, and so fourth, so it has roughly the same problems. A Baroque tenoroon might work better.
Fun ! Thanks.
A few years ago my school had a bassoon oboe duet for marching band, I wasn’t there that year but I hear it was pretty cool
The bassoon movement part is so relatable.
Me, playing the bassoon in a marching band
That thing of walking from one room to another describes me going g from the band room to the stage
Interesting, liked the presentation.
I’ve seen bassoons in marching band before. Very very rare. And needs special rigging compared to orchestral use.
When I was in England I saw a bassoonist marching with the changing of the guard. My sister played oboe in high school. One year she played cymbals, and several years she carried the banner.
My school district allows us to march bassoons and they love using them for solos. Also that thing in the beginning is a contrabass tuba/marching tuba,usually bach
We started marching horns a couple years ago, and I don’t mind it.
The "moving with the bassoon" part is so real, I hurt myself laughing 💀
This is hilarious, man
They don’t want to make the other instruments jealous
2:33 I was taught to carry my bassoon differently. On the long joint there's this ridge in the metal rods that connect the low B and Bb keys to their tone holes/pads. I place my thumb under this ridge and wrap the rest of my fingers around and over the A thumb key. I believe this is the safest way to hold a bassoon because it's closer to the center of balance than anywhere on the boot joint. The only situation in which it might be unsafe is if the tenons of your wing joint and long joint are too loose which is a separate problem in and of itself.
I judged the Tupelo High School Band from Mississippi three years ago in West Tennessee
and they opened the show with a bassoon quartet. Yes, you heard it right-a bassoon quartet.
I have also seen a band or two from the panhandle of Florida marching bassoons.
I clicked "I'm feeling lucky" on the CZcams app and it took me to this video randomly... Wow, I learned a lot about a topic I had no idea existed 😂 here is a like 👍 and a comment for engagement!
Our school is just like "meh, if you wanna march with a double reed we're not stopping you" Hence why I'm a marching oboe :P
We have marching violins too and judges love it at competitions
I need a video of your band. That sounds so cool
@@ArsonnFrog lol well last year we didn't have any violins or double reeds in the actually good band that wins all the sweepstakes, but we're in Varsity this year so I don't have videos of that yet.
Here's a video of us last year in Junior Varsity though: czcams.com/video/PpOzMEjrU2E/video.html
(I'm probably doxing myself with this but oh well)
If you want to see actually good marching, just search up varsity :)
Marching cellos 💀
Marching double bass
3:56 Glad to see THAT reference is still kicking...
From experience, Basoonist make FANTASTIC tenor sax players.
This question has always been in my head because I never seen a single bassoon player in any marching band
In 1976 we had a single bassoon player in the marching band. Montebello HS, Montebello, CA. Good times.
i did see one show where they had a bassoon(not marching, just playing a solo on a mic) and it was actually pretty cool
I once saw a bassoonist getting ready to go on the field at a marching competition and it s h o o k e t h me.
In my school I just had to join front for marching season
Have not heard someone call the Fr. Horn substitute for marching a Melophone since 1969 (first year in high school marching band, before that I marched with a french horn) the next year it was called a euphonium.
In high school our double reed players switched to clarinet or the the Glockenspiel (bells).
My HS had the option to march cymbals or play in the front ensemble for the double reeds. I really enjoyed learning cymbals and ended up marching a couple seasons in DCI.
In high school, i played oboe in concert band and bari sax in marching and pep band
We have a bassoon solo but it’s stationary on a podium and it sits there
My coaches have the worst sandal tanline, we still have tubas, and this is very accurate
When I started doing marching band at the college level (my freshman year... It's now MUCH different at ASU), the band t-shirt said "Pride, Sweat, and a Great Farmer's Tan". I can attest I did have a great farmer's tan. Still do to some respects, even though I work primarily indoors.
I played Bass Clarinet, for marching band the band director got the school's alto calrinet repaired lol I did play the bass for football games when the alto was out for repair ... and I got to play it at Graduation . I will say chipping the reed while matching was a common thing... but happned to sax and regular clarinet as well so
Meanwhile, you have Bassoon in the British Grenadier Band marching up and down London LOL
"Double bell euphoniums and big bassoons
Each bassoon having it's big, fat say"
- The Music Man
My band class recently watched a high school marching band competition and there was one oboe
I was always told that double-reed instruments would be too awkward to march and play with, plus they wouldn't be audible enough. Therefore I joined the drumline and made friends and memories there, while still playing bassoon during the concert season.
Played bassoon during concert season, and tuba during marching season 😁
“Hey honey, let’s go bassooning this week-end” - Garrisson Keillor, The young lutheran guide to the orchestra…
British military bands, and those of commonwealth countries do have bassoons as well as French horns, including the Household Cavalry Band which often plays mounted on horses. Incidentally the saxophone was actually invented for mounted military bands in France.
we have a bassoon solo in our marching band show this year💀
When I was in HS, all our double reeds switched to bell lyres.
and at my school theyve been given a whole song as a feature
I had a few concerts in Europe that we were playing outside and with my black composite bassoon. It expanded and multiple keys didn’t work for the majority of the confers 😢😢
Isn't this why the Sarussaphone was invented?
Yes. The sarrusophone is almost never encountered except in French military bands, except for the fad around 1900-1925 of replacing the contrabassoon with a C contrabass sarrusophone, even in concert halls and opera houses. (Nowadays, it’s reversed, and music from that era specified for “sarrusophone” is typically played on a contrabassoon, on the assumption that that’s what the composer actually wanted in the first place.
In the Kay Kyser movie “Playmates” (soundtrack only, not the Kay Kyser record) the song “Humpty Dumpty Heart” is performed using a soprano sarrusophone AND a harpsichord. Before I saw that, I didn’t know a soprano sarrusophone had ever crossed the Atlantic.
@@NJMerlin Doesn't the US Army use the sarussaphone.
@@brucealanwilson4121 Not that I know of, but the last time I visited West Point was in 1963. I’ve certainly never heard it before.
Would it be fair to say that the sarussaphone is to the oboe/basson family what the saxophone is to the clarinet?
@@brucealanwilson4121 Not completely. The clarinet bore is essentially cylindrical, whereas the oboe/bassoon, saxophone, and sarrusophone are all conical. (There are cylindrical double reeds, too, but not in modern music.)
Im an oboe and in our HS marching band theres something called “cymboes” cuz oboes play crash cymbals in the marching
6:43 my band this year and last year has had a bassoon solo lol last year it was in a tango part in this year it’s in the opener
I have a 1950’s tenor Sax. I love it.
I was a trombone player in marching band, and I actually have two trombones one that I use for practice and football games and won that was only used at competitions and during concert season.
At my school in 6th grade everybody starts on a basic instrument like percussion, clarinet, alto sax, flute, trombone, trumpet then in 7th grade brass can move to tuba or the other trombone I forgot the name, then woodwinds can move to tenor or berry
sax, bass clarinet, bassoon, and then I’d you can march with your instrument you move to your first instrument because you already learned how to play it, it works well for everyone because if we don’t need those instruments they can hop on the other instruments at anytime
Very interesting, I know next to nothing about instruments. I saw my favorite band had clear plastic bags around their clarinets. Was raining earlier that day of their performance. Now I know why lol. One year when I was in high school the gym floor had to be repaired or replaced cause the wood warped about 3 feet high the total length of the court, so I do know what happens when wood gets wet. Definitely not a pretty sight.
In my band there is an oboe that had to switch to alto sax and the bassoon switched to a bass clarinet
I've always noticed how our all the clarinet players in my kid's marching band run indoors when it starts raining.
Def taught and marched at schools with bassoons and oboes. I think they make these wicked synthetic reeds now to help keep down the reed cost and our schools got them for a discount for the students. But I highly recommend the students to switch to a low brass instrument, partially because more brass more betta. and builds up their lungs
I always wanted try to bassoon
The german army bands actually march with bassons. Just looked it up before because i couldn't remember if they march with it(they even have a high need for basson players and french horn players as said on their internet site). But these are professionells so i think are verly unlikely to fall over
Some Japanese bands can march bassoon but their comps are no where near as big as American marching comps tho
This is a rare exception.
You are right. Marching with the bassoon is very hard. That's why I learned the cello. 🤣
i saw a marching band with a whole xylophone and a tambourine that they didnt even use
I recently spent a day at a shop where they had two from a local school on site for cleaning and adjustments. I don't think the school even knew what they had.
A friend told me her son started on bboe for his first instrument. Once he got to marching band age, he learned the clarinet. Now that he is the age to be in the jazz band, he wants to learn sax. I say, start kids on the doubles early. I learned to be proficient on saxophones in high school, but didn't get the opportunity for bassoon or the other woodwinds until college. I did finally get to play bassoon in the concert band for 2 years.
Huh, never thought about it before, but what you say totally makes sense. I love the bassoon sound, but I guess I can settle for getting it in wind quintet chamber music, the odd concerto, and old Frank Zappa records. Thanks for the education.
My sister played clarinet first then learned bassoon and loved it
This is why Im almost glad I play brass
I saw a recording of one of the British kings guards marching in a parade with a bassoon
Old UVA Pep (scramble) band used to have a bassoon. And a double bass. And a grand piano.
In middle school, I marched in two parades, and our band director taught us a march so that we wouldn’t bounce. I played the Bassoon in one (forgot my reed for the second parade so I was on banner holding duty). Then in high school, we had a pep band that was also our concert/symphonic band, where we played at home football games, while I often ended playing baritone or trombone parts. I never really noticed much sound degradation. Then again I never really took playing it seriously.
My HS band director never told me it was hard to march with an oboe so we had oboes, bassoons, even bass clarinets on the field. Great concert sound. First oboe in the University of Texas Longhorn Band to march. There were 4 of us at one point!!!
I literally saw a basoon marcher yesterday at a competition lol
I marched flute and then bells. Reeds cost at least $4-5/each, 45 years ago. When you found a specialty shop that carried them. #ForrestsMusicBerkeley
When I was in band, we had a couple of double reed players that marched different instruments. We had a clarinet (Yes I know that’s single reed shut up) player march tuba. He switched to bassoon my sophomore year and still marched tuba. My junior and senior years there was an oboe player that marched clarinet, one bassoon player marched alto sax, and another marched tenor sax. Me? I’m a simple clarinet player. 😂
I played trombone for one season in high school marching band then I learned bassoon so that’s my main instrument lol
We have a standstill bassoon solo at the beginning of the show
My school doesn't allow marching bassoon, sadly, so i get to march bass clarinet
My school doesn't even march bass clarinets. I want to so bad.
We had 3 bassoons at our high school and 2 of them marched bass clarinet and the other one marched bari sax