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He leaves out the fact that all these laptops need to be near a wall outlet
And they won’t hold up that long
Not always the same. In full rendering mode on Mac cpu only lasts 2 hour tbh. AMD laptops can last longer and also have higher boost clocks than Mac,which can help in CAD workloads. AMD and apple uses TSMC node so that both have high efficiency. Some AMD models are pushed to 20hr .
Some AMD model have CinebenchR23 scores same on battery.
OLED ,4nm GPU for gaming. Twice performance in CPU related workload if you want. Dual screen, egpu, ram SSD upgrade, repairable by ourself with minimum screws.
yeah battery life is better on macbooks cause they have no dedicated GPUs
@@vmafarah9473 wdym by full rendering mode - like rendering an image in a raytracer? or viewport in CAD because i assume that lasts much longer than that no?
0:48 Asus Proart studiobook 16 Oled
2:50 Lenovo pro 7I gen 8
5:58 Dell xps 15
7:08 Asus rog strix scar 17
9:10 raser blade 16
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thanks bro
Thanks! And fuck this guy (the video author) for not providing clear timestamps on the stuff he presented here.
The best thing about macbook is that i can go out with it leaving the charger do my work and come back home at the end of the day with 15-20% battery remaining.
Why can't they make the same for their phones? Weird
This
@@myonedayhops It is for the most part though.
Am I the only one who notices its mainly CZcamsrs who claim the new M2 Pro Macbook Pros are "disappointing and unnecessary"? Like, if you had an old Intel Macbook and you decided to finally get a new M2 Pro MB this year, please don't think your MB is "disappointing and unnecessary". The people who keep saying this are the ones that have the luxury of upgrading their laptops every year and so they compare it to their M1 Pro's and don't like how little has changed.
i think it's simply because it's a minor incremental upgrade from M1 in most instances so better off saving the money. of course, from a Macbook Air standpoint the form factor is far more desirable for the M2 over the M1.
It’s still a compromise for lack of M2.
That's not how comparisons work. You don't compare a product to one multiple generations behind, you compare it to its predecessor. There is so little change between M1 and M2 that Apple really should not have released M2, it's a pointless machine. Then again this trend (near zero improvement) has been the same in mobile phones in the last few years, so yeah, it's just how market and capitalism works. But I do question the mental capacity of those people who upgrade yearly. Probably the same sort of people who buy products on launch.
@@kosztaz87 I'd agree most of your opinions. I don't get latest products every year, but I do buy products on launch if the improvement is attractive enough, because I only enjoy using a laptop for the first few years (definitely less than 4 years), the official discount for one-year-old apple product has never reached 25%, buying one on launch actually gives your the best value for the first year experience (I don't sell used products, I keep them). Especially when edu is 8% off on day 1, and if you have a friend working in Apple, 15% off (I literally have both).
Maybe, but I have seen too many people drop $3-4k on a MBP and all they do is browse the web/use an office suite. 90% of people that buy apple do so because it is cool (it is why a lot of boomers use apple). Lots of boomers larping as "creatives" or startup programmers.
Thank you for this video. Just one point : the price you gave for the Razer 16 is the base model, not the fully spec'ed one with the 4090 which goes up to $5k (as a MBP 16" maxed out). Nevertheless, these machines are really beasts... when plugged to the wall and if you don't care about the noise of fans. I'm a Mac and Windows laptops user, and the main difference between the two universes is the conditions in which the power is delivered. In silence and away from the power outlet for Macs, in the noise and plugged to main for the PCs. The PCs can deliver a lot more computing power than the Macs, but it has a cost.
@@JamesMarshall68 First of all, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just a computer user who needs power. I'm positively impressed by the performance the new i9 13th generation and RTX 4090 for mobile can offer in a reasonable form factor. They are great, really great machines. I'm sure it will continue to improve and that's a great news. I have one too by the way, for these exact reasons. They deliver a huge computation power (especially for graphics and AI thanks to Nvidia), way more than M2 Max, even spec'ed out. But, you can't deny that these spec'ed out Windows PC monsters come at a comparable price tags. Furthermore, this huge power is available, and that's the main point, only when plugged in the wall. Not talking about the loud fan noise. If they are not plugged in the wall, the performance is way less impressive and the autonomy is absolutely ridiculous. These machines are very convincing desktop replacement, adding transportability to a powerful and comfortable "desktop" solution, with lot of power, very good screens, good keyboards etc. But they are certainly not mobile and autonomous powerhouses like MBP are. Not loosing a single MHz or Watt when on battery and not disturbing the people around you with high pitch loud fan noise when rendering a 3D scene or running a simulation is very precious. Two use cases, two solutions, both excellent in their use case.
@@brunocracco2949 Hi, thank you for your comment. I'm a Motion Designer 2D / 3D student and I currently struggle because I don't know if I shoule buy a Mac or a PC. I need a powerful machine but the noise is a big no, but I don't know if Macbrook pro M2 16 is powerful enouth for After Effects and C4D / Blender. Do you think it's good enough ?
Very well put, however something that needs a power cable constantly to perform is not really a lap top.
Also PC power empties your wallet a lot faster than you would wish, not to mention the impact on our planet
You guys do realise this is just a video to give people an alternative option on the windows side right? Although the clickbaty title suggests otherwise. Everyone knows the silicon Macs are beast for what they are, Mini LED display, longer battery life, solid build, no need to be connected to the wall, it's ok people it's good to have competition and choice.
Power consumption seems to be thrown under the bus in this video. If I'm going for a Windows based laptop, I'm probably looking for the a balance with power to watt. For laptop / mobile, that becomes important as well and there's a tacit understanding that balancing out means you won't have your cake and eat it.
If I wanted to go for power, I'd go desktop. That's even more power for less cost and comes with more prospects of incremental hardware upgrades. You're going to be plugged into the mains to get the full stated specs from these laptops anyway (given that it doesn't thermal throttle) making the whole point of these laptops moot.
Exactly, and the size. I am a student and I don't wanna be carrying bulky ass laptops.
Power consumption is another retarded taking point.
Your hydro bill will be virtually identical
About power to watt, that depends. My office does hot-desking and we also work from home 2-3 days a week. During work hours, we're basically chained to the desk but our desk changes almost daily. This seems a norm especially in companies that allow work from home. So a power hog isn't that much of a concern since the laptop is plugged in most of the time.
I just bought a M2 MacBook Pro and I’m extremely happy
13,14 or 16 inch
Yes tell us more?
Good job you were scammed, clown. I bet you didn't even understand 90% of this video. Do you know what cores are? And a dedicated GPU? Do you know how ridiculous is the difference between x86 vs ARM processors? Keep on buying subpar products, Apple makes money off idiots like you
Same - Picked up the M2 Max 16” w/ 32gb ram, and it won’t break a sweat. I travel for work and the fact that I can run full speed without a charger…all day…is a game changer. This thing is a beast.
Never heard of linux, have ya? God these comments are ridiculous everyone whining about battery life when it's Windows that's the problem. Load up linux and you can run for days without a charge. @@rgrant1972
Whats the battery life like on the ASUS Probook? Whats the performance when its not plugged in? Have you tried these and reviewed them or just reading a flyer? I ask because i dont want a Macbook but nothing else can compete right now as a package.
If you're gaming or doing work in blender I totally agree.. but if you're video editing the apple M-series is pretty much the only logical choice.
Nope for editing it's clearly the proart by far and it's not even close
I use a 2022 XPS 15 and it's a great machine but it's not great unplugged. That's the issue with Windows laptops. Power efficiency is important. I think eventually Windows machines will get this right. I mostly use mine as a desktop replacement so I don't care
The latest chips coming out this year and next year are supposed to fix that. Plus companies are investing more into their cooling systems.
What you think about the Rog Zephyus Duo laptop for 4k-8k video editing and photo editing?? Is that better than the MacBook m2
Dell XPS 15: Most of the things are quite good in this laptop. However, it fails miserably in terms of getting heated due to the powerful chipset but an abysmal cooling system.
Let us keep the discussion fair!
I've got a 13" XPS in the past. Burned completly because of that, after only 13 months. So 1 month after the end of the warranty. YEAH. It was a great laptop... NOT.
I need a windows laptop, any recommendations?
xps has a terrible hardware quality though
The Thermals in the xps models are atrocious. Within 15 minutes of editing anything your computer is going to come to a snail's pace.
@@w_21go lenovo or asus, dell and hp are low tier shit even in their ‘high tier’ models
Sure. They have all have great performance. But what happens when you unplug them?
That's what I thought.
amd is fine loses like 10-15 still more powerful intel will it run like hot dog shit
don't go with razer, i had their blade 15 2020 and it died within 2 years. the keyboard had to be replaced TWICE due to keys not registering at all, and then the battery bloated and it would no longer charge.
What about battery life? That's what i thought made the ms so great power plus long lasting.
A lot of the m-series apple macbooks vs windows laptops are a whole lot of “tell me you don’t understand macbooks without telling me you don’t understand macbooks”. This one is a prime example.
I returned my 24core hp omen that was definitely a beast compared to the MacBook Pro 16 m2 max that I just ordered, because it was only a beast on the charger. Off of the charger, it was less than a third as powerful.
Exactly. It’s just a desktop, it’s barely portable, my doesn’t even last 30 minutes out of box, reason that i’m selling it.
Do you think MacBook Pro is a beast without a power supply? Try playing a browser game, battery dead after 4 hours. During this time, you can fry the eggs on the casing. Macbook pro m2 was my worst purchase, i'm looking for something else unrelated to apple
dell xps has the most unergonomic keyboard I have ever used - too small esc and function keys alongside with edges of the body surrounding them make the keyboard unuseful in the serious tasks. It could be the perfect laptop especially in 17" size.
I have a MacBook Pro M2 and this computer battery last forever and the fan doesn’t kicked off no matter what I am doing. Windows computer cooling system can be problematic. I have a window machine (Dell XPS) for work that costed my company 2k and it’s been a nightmare.
Hey, I'm actually looking to purchase a good deal breaker laptop and getting confused over all the options around Mac pro, book3 series, asus zenbook 14 pro Ux6404, Dell xps 15 or 17 and Lenovo yoga slim 9i pro or 5i pro. Could you please recommend me some best laptops out there. I'm a Master's student and need a laptop for high end AI programming, slight gaming, good battery, sleek design. No as such budget issue but capping it till $2500 usd. Thanks in advance!
How on earth could you think the asus studiobook 16 will only be $2000
I would prefer MacBook Pro over all those laptops. I use windows laptop since five years , rather than buying those windows laptops I’ll build a PC 👍🏻 it’ll last longer than those laptops believe it 😂😂. And laptop means portability and if you can’t even run 8-10 hours without the charger what’s the point?? ROG strix 😂😂 I’m talking about you.
Whats the real world battery life on these?
What’s a good substitute for the M1 MacBook Pro ?
you mean the 13" pro ? i don't even buying it at all either buy M1 air or the M1 pro 14"
most people will be fine with the m1 16Gb ram if you need more multitasking go with M2 24GB shared memory
other than that jump all the way to M1 pro (m2 pro is too expensive doesn't worth the 16-20% performance increase you won't notice it) this of course assuming you can find it
If only those laptops you mentioned had more than 3-4 hours battery life while using on medium-heavy tasks. (3-4 hours is me being generous though, only AMD laptops can do that or maybe bit more sometimes, intel CPU laptops are too bad)
What are you smoking bro? Intel CPU are best on the market for example an Intel I9 12700 is 1000x better and more powerfull than weak m2 chip in new macbooks. Macbooks are overly expansive, weak and you doesnt get a value from them as you do by windows pcs.
@@MasterFrechmen732 Intel is better than M2 pro and m2 max? That was the best joke I heard all year
@@streetswontforget9390 it is... unless all the performance tests are wrong??? only good thing about M chips they have best performance per watt
Thats the hardest part of chip designing lol... You think making some powerfull inefficient chip is hard? Non U intels are only useful for fusion reactors since those socs are absolutely useless on the go. Pair them with Windows and it gets ohh so much worse. Between the constant crappy windows updates and services constantly creeping and sucking the performance and battery out of your laptop and the terrible thermal efficiency constantly throttling your system your lucky if you can get even those 4 hours previously mentioned. @@emko333
You forgot to mention all these windows power comes from being plugged in while the MacBook is still powerful plugged in or not, I'm not disputing the powers from this windows laptop but the convenience of a MacBook is still unbeatable
We're still waiting for qualcomms X elite chip to debut on Windows on ARM. Thats apples last advantage they run on ARM completely. If Microsoft and Qualcomm can get this right this year I believe it's going to be released around October it's going to be a huge game changer especially since they said The Qualcomm trip is supposed to have higher than M2 performance I believe. We will see though but Im hoping for the best
So based upon this video, can you please do a video on how to run Logic Pro on Windows or Linux? Thank you.
any review on fanless laptops , like the air? or recomandations...
just have a hard time considering an intel based laptop currently when their performance gets crippled on battery, often has fans running full blast and not particularly great battery life in most cases vis a vis the Macbook's.
Is your first laptop a 2020 Macbook? Sounds like you just describe every laptop ever
AMD laptops can have same performance on battery. Some Last gen AMD 6800h can smoke this gen apple on battery.its cheaper coz it's last gen.
@@vmafarah9473 yep. that's why i called out intel. get tired of watching my intel laptops choke the moment they are unplugged.
The best thing about my MacBook Pro M1 Pro is that I've NEVER heard the fan and I get acres of usage out of it on battery oh and I get 100% of the performance as well. My Surface Pro 8 is great for some Photoshop art but it don't try to use it while it's charging. The fan is quiet but the thing gets super hot plus it can barely do 2+hrs of 3DCoat or similar. Give me a MacBook Pro M3 with a pen display that can be used easily and I will flog both of these and pay a premium :D
Does the Macbook pro M1pro even have a fan?
I am looking for the lightest weight of a laptop that I can access my desktop remotely, and also edit documents in microsoft office
why do we need 4 to chose from ???? which one is the equivalent to a M2 16' ... NONE of the listed ... this is just confusing ...
No, the best thing about the MBP is the fact the machine runs with the same performance regardless of whether it is plugged in or not. There are STILL no windows machines that can do this.
They all can - if you configure them to. They're set that way to conserve battery. But, I get your drift.
@@nhaezer5121 okay - let me put it another way - you can’t do that and get useable battery life. A MacBook will run full power for over ten hours. My Asus G14 will run an hour and a half doing the same thing. So yes, it can do it - but it’s not at all useful.
@@nhaezer5121 Can you show me an example of a laptop battery powering something like a 4090 and a 13900? As far as I'm aware, the batteries simply can not put out something like 200 watts.
I moved to a macbook air from surface studio.
I am very happy i have my desktop for the heavy lifting but i am able to not worry about picking up a dead laptop.
That was a problem with windows on laptop.
Macbook is a pain in software but it's life and optimizations in the apps designed for it.
Makes a world of difference
all you noobs not even mentioning linux make me laugh. My dell precision i9 will run for days without being plugged in. It's not the laptop, it's Windows that grapes the battery @@yskuzi
Notification dropped just when I picked up my M1 14" pro......it's like Windows just wanted to pass through to say hi..😅😂
@Arthur Winer Stylus was not included in mine, as far as I could tell (exact same model). I ordered it from Asus' Swedish store. Could it be something related to which Asus Store you're purchasing from?
The only problem for me? I am used to the macOS interface and I don’t know how to use Windows very well.
By all means, this is great laptops. The problem is when you use them unplugged they drop performance like a rock, and good luck taking one of them to a café or library. When the fans spin up you might get kicked out because of all the noise you bring. Use a stationary at home and a tablet or MacBook Air on the go, you will even save a enough on building a stationary to by a MacBook Air.
actually, you can still use them unplugged and run the same performance, all windows gaming laptop have this option. but battery may run out quickly.
hey man, do you want to drive a power car and expect them to be a quite? hell no
I'm much more worried if lambo suddenly produce quiet sound. *ummm should i call mac a lambo with that performance tho? 🤔
@@febryanmz look, i switched to windows and wouldn't switch back if someone paid me, but the fact is that mac laptop hardware is just better, it's more efficient more performant and has more battery life.
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
They’re not that loud bro😭😭
"Good luck with the fans, might get kicked at a cafe"
Geez, why so much copium from Apple fans? That's never happened to me on my loudest Windows laptop. The background noise at a Cafe far supercedes any laptop fan. It's annoying at home in a completely silent environment, but holy cow with the copium involving these strange, impossible hypothetical scenarios for copium.
I bought Macbook Air M2 base for graphic designing and web development. I’m impressed. Its really good.
Did you bought the base model or more storage? I want to know more because I'm graphic designing too
Thoughts on Asus zenbook duo (2024) or Dell XPS??
All those laptops are huge chunks I know I like windows and Mac OS. But when come to macbook 13 or 14 inch are my go to size I’m a music producer and video editor and I travel a lot so I’m not comfortable with those 15.6-16inch huge chunky laptops with big chargers
You forgot to mention the macOS ecosystem, which works perfectly on Apple hardware.
You realize that's a con for most people watching this, right?
@@eiosti I highly doubt it
@@VIPK9 assuming you game (most buyers these days me not included but numbers don't lie) + Adobe users (for some reaopsn adobe it's more optimized for windows dunno if it's some agreement between Microsoft or fact majority of users are on windows like big studios) so yes can say majority prefer windows
@@ko-Daegu I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc Adobe is way better optimized for OSX seamlessly stream between devices laptop iPad iPhone the project never stops
@@VIPK9 "I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc "
majority run a server setup and/or multiple winwods stations
"Adobe is way better optimized for OSX" adobe performance is much better optimized for winwods as majority of user based is on the OS
when you think about these kinda things I would like you to think globally
however even if we thought US only were majority of Apple users today: Windows holds 57.37% of the desktop OS market in the US, macOS holds 29.62%
the majority of the marketspace in the US still is for Windows
these are facts not an opinion to agree or disagree with
I think the perfect combos here is to use MBP for portability for work or studies. For fully game mode stuff better use windows desktop instead. Windows laptop pricetag re overprice (especially with limited watt utilisation on the gpu) and the after sales value is terrible.
Betul ke? Pandai lah!
I work from home on a laptop exclusively, I went with 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16GB 1TB, and then for gaming I just got a Nintendo Switch I put in my bag to play Tears of the Kingdom and few other titles. I'm set. Best of both worlds. For modern triple AAA releases I have a PS5. Can get all this for less than that Razer Blade laptop.
@@julianperry4767 nicee, portability at its best!
Not to mention thermals. This always messes up with me. You can have the most powerful gaming laptop but thermals will always be a problem.
why get an MBP when you can get other Windows laptop that can do gaming as well? If you're talking portability there are tons of Windows laptops that are portable and lightweight and just as powerful for non-gaming tasks. There is no practical reason to get any Macbooks or Mac products UNLESS you need the Mac OS in your work requirement
So how well does the macbook killer runs MacOS?
I want to know what is the best laptop money can buy regardless of cost. Every time I've done these best for the money I have been let down enormously, and I'm talking about dell xps models that are always around $2,500. I need something that can chew through Lightroom edits of R5 photos, and at least handle 4K editing smoothly.
I love my m1 mac for its power, speakers, and, most importantly... It's power efficiency. I miss gaming, and I miss Linux (windows sucks), but nothing annoyingly comes close to the out-of-the-box experience on m1 right now. I wish it did.
There's no denying Apple knows how to make extremely power efficient hardware. Nothing comes close competition wise. Which is why they dominate in the laptop market when it comes to on battery performance. Obviously if you plug in a Windows laptop it will be quicker, but that defeats the point of a laptop. You can't always have it plugged in.
can't even run dark souls 3 and half of the steam apps ....apple urinates and y'all drink their piss .....apple is only good at anti consumerism
I've been buying Asus for the last 15 years and before that I had a Macbook (the classic white one) then had a Macbook Pro. I used to game on PC but currently just have a Vivobook S15 which I just use for work and simple browsing and multimedia. I am thinking on going back to Apple. The garbage battery on all Windows laptops is just annoying and all the many issues at times can happen with many Windows laptop. Obviously if I would constantly game I would buy a gaming laptop but its not the case anymore. I need something simple that works. Any Apple laptop can easily last a min of 8 years.
@@AC-yt3we I still play games, but I use the Steamdeck or ps5 right now. I used to use a VM with a GPU passed through on my home server. Which, with "Parsec," works surprisingly well would recommend if your tech savvy enough . There are options these days man, your primary gaming PC doesn't have to be your primary computer.
Side note, if you get a steamdeck, pick up a pair of nreal airs as well 😉. Oled portable gaming system.. Can't beat that!
Asahi Linux is getting more usable on M1 over time, GPU is working now.
The unfortunate side to most creative devices is they aren't easily available. Creatives a re a niche group, so most of the time you will not see Razer Blade in stores. You will however see some higher end Lenovos... I personally had to ship my MSI Z16 from the USA in order to get thin, light and performant. Heating is an issue with it, but having to compromise is okay if you get 90% of what you need.
I will be using heavy after effects files and animation projects professionally with cinema4d. I m confused between dell xps 15, asus rog strix scar 17 and mac m2 pro 16 inch. Please suggest me which one should I buy if you have any leads
arthur WHINER is the only one who has a problem with the new macbooks, because he couldnt wait for updated driver support on his m2 macbook pro
Just keep them near a big power supply 😊
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
Or just ditch windows altogether since it's garbage.
Another one you could have mentioned is the 2022 model of the Asus ROG Zephyrus g14. It has the premium feel and the sleek design only the macbooks and the XPS have and has similar specs to the blade.
The Zephyrus does not have the premium feel of a macbook
@@Shadow-fb7nw This is not a subjective thing. Making a laptop out of the same material and putting a high quality screen, that is using the same display technology, on it will result in a device of a similar feel. You cant just deny what I said, without giving a proper reason. I for my part, speak from experience, since I have held in my hands/ worked with both devices.
@@friendlyperson9841 Um... how about not really. If you have different heights for keyboards. A different opening mechanism. Different trackpads. Different fan technologies... Really not the same at all. I've tried the G14, and I don't feel like it felt as good as my m1 macbook air.
@@vlee9275 Yeah, the asus ROG G14 is made of plastic.
@@friendlyperson9841 Nah they're right. It feels like a cheap toy in comparison.
So this video basically told me to build a gaming PC since these laptops need to stay plugged in.
Docing station was zero usb4 ports?
Not to mention, you can also cook food on windows laptops.. I’ll take that over macbook which doesn’t have this feature. I love food and windows laptops are my choice even if it lasts only 30 mins while running docker as it also cooks an omelette for me in those 30 mins.
You don't seem to know much about laptops.
@@Lee.S321 Would you like to enlighten all of us then? I own 2 MacBooks and 2 Windows Laptops and a gaming PC so would love to know that you know and we don't. 😂
@@itzzDizZY Even the beefiest gaming laptops will run longer than 30 mins (unless they're faulty). My thin & light with the 6800U runs 16 ish hrs watching movies, & a few hrs if gaming, so a little longer than half an hr, & it's warm to the touch, not hot.
Macs have always thermal throttled, rather than ramp up fans to cool the processor, as Apple's priority has been the ability to market their devices as running quiet & not the performance the end user experiences. It's less of an issue with the M series chips, but Apple still leaves performance on the table to benefit their marketing, & the only option you have (if you want to get the performance you paid for) is to manually adjust the fan curve.
@@Lee.S321 Clearly you didn't read my comment properly. I don't use laptop to watch movies or play games. I use laptops to run servers, docker images, IDEs, edit videos and raw images. We are different kind of users. If windows laptop gives you everything you need, good on ya but it doesn't cut it for me. MacBook lasts me 24 hours while I am doing all that, and if I only watch videos, it might last me couple of days.
@itzzDizZY I didn't describe my use case at all, I just gave some examples people would relate to. I also know people who work with 16" M1 Pros (believed to have the best battery life), & the only way they can reach anything close to 24hr battery life is if they have nothing open but a timer. You seem to have a mystical laptop.
Mac seems to have new feature, unified memory. This is huge plus for 3d rendering work if i can have 24-32 GB graphics memory compared to gaming laptop 8Gb. GPU is 15x faster than CPU, but i can't use it. Ryzen 6850u scored under 200 points in Blender render, Mac GPU got 1600 points.
Does anyone of this laptop compared to the silence of mac?Which is the more quiter?
Will this be good for Adobe photoshop and adobe illustrator?
The best feature about the MacBook M* is the power efficiency. If I want raw power, I'll get a desktop (as I have - got a x86-64 PC).
Try beating a full 7-10h day on battery without recharging while doing IntelliJ, surfing and Teams (got the M1 Max 16" MacBook for work and a M1 Pro for home use). It's unbeatable in power efficiency.
Though I'd have preferred Ubuntu or something Linux (Asahi Linux is not yet there, but the guys there are amazing). I am done with Windows. 7 was awesome, 10 was okay - 11 is crap. And I've been using DOS and Windows since 3.22 and 3.1 respectively.
You are comparing apples to pears - the x86-64 chips might be faster, but I don't need another cooker. ARM laptops might have a chance, but the 8cx gen 3 is a joke compared to the M1.
But it's fine. Please don't all go buy the ideal laptop (out of the existing choices, the MacBook is nowhere near perfect or ideal), because it'll make the MacBooks even more expensive. Go buy the bricks, that are only powerful with incredible fans attached and only on a power cord.
Yes this. I work as a Linux sysadmin/devops engineer... Ironically my entire team at home use m1 macs for all of these reasons. I MISS Linux, I MISS gaming on the go even but you can't beat not charging your laptop for 3 days and still being at 75 percent .
@@KILLERTX95 no way what macbook do u have i have to charge my MacBook m1 pro 3 times a day as a backend and DevOps
running all these docker containers / K8 and doing all these ansible tasks alongside using vscode/nvim (depends what lang I'm dev with)
no way 3 days without charging and only down to 75%
@@ko-Daegu well if you're running all your stuff locally, sure. That makes sense.
I have a mac m1 air, and run the vast majority of my work on external servers, work and personal. Outside of international travel, I treat my MacBook like a glorified thin client.
@@KILLERTX95 life doesn't work like that thou buddy
you can't tell me your device perfomes great if you did all the compiling, running and testing else where
of course we deploy ML models to runpod and we use AWS and other cloud services but won't count those and say hey look my device can do x and y cuz it didn't
@@ko-Daegu huh? Honestly, it sounds like you're reading between the lines that aren't even there. I never actually said anything like that. Why the hell do you compile locally anyway.. Not only is it wildly inefficient it's kinda a security issue as well man? I was just replying to the OP saying my team who work primarily on Linux use Macs as a daily driver because they are awesome.
Fix your workflow man.
Many of these laptops will be great in the winter for keeping you warm if you can bare the fan noise....
That's actually a great idea 👍
Liked and subbed. Thanks a lot. You don't mention fan noise for the last and most expensive laptop. I suppose it's loud? I need to do a lot of voice recording (as well as video editing and some 3D). Which of the laptops would have bearable fan noise that wouldn't interfere with voice recording?
So I use a Macbook pro and last week i tried to push it to the limit to hear the fan noise. Turns out that it is really hard to get the macbooks that hot, that it will use the fan.
@@prod.julius89 Thank you. But still wondering about the Razer Blade 17
My Blade 16 isn't loud by Windows standards. But it's not quiet, either. It's definitely audible, and it'd pick up on a condenser mic in the same room. My MacBook Pro, meanwhile, stays silent. Having said that, this generation of Windows laptops isn't horribly loud like the last 3-4 generations have been.
@@mbvglider Thank you
So many handy functions with the mac.
But nothing is as handy as having lots of solutions when something dies in the windows laptop.
You are forgetting the main reason people buy Macs: the OS.
Absolutely. Nobody wants to deal with ads in their OS, unnecessary bloat, and horrible power consumption.
@@njpme exactly
Arthur Winer should make a video about why we don't like other OS.
@@dvr1337 no not on "any" PC and it's super problematic
@@dvr1337 But I search for a complete experience. A Mac OS on a laptop just works but never feels the same.
I do like that you're providing reasonable alternatives, but most people buying Macs are not doing it due to power. We were buying Macs even when they had Intel chips and AMD GPUs. We buy Macs due to the way they connect with our iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch. We buy them due to the build quality, which leads to industry-leading longevity. We buy them because we know we can sell them three years from now and we can make 70 percent of the money back due to the way they retain their value. Power is important, but it's not the first reason I would bring up. (Edit: I almost forgot, the industry leading battery life is also important, and perhaps the most underrated feature is that MacBooks perform as well on battery as they do plugged in. Windows laptops cannot come close to matching this.)
apple silicone for laptops are so dominant that a second iteration provides power that they can’t utilize, so they decide to label it as disappointing.
AMD laptops can have higher boost clocks and have similar battery backup.OLED. etc...
you can't be bringing up battery life, macs literally don't have dedicated gpus
@@bran_rx Sorry, but this is not a valid excuse anymore. The iGPUs in macs (when running on battery) are comparable to anything Nvidia or AMD has to offer. Apple’s M series chips also have built-in acceleration for certain workloads in form of the neural and media engines. There is certainly ground to argue some are able to take the hit in battery life for a gain in performance, but at a certain point the difference becomes inexcusable.
@@oskarsuc Alright, go and game on your Mac with your iGPU.
But what about performance on battery and battery life?
This laptop is for pros that don’t leave their workspace, also for me I wouldn’t want a 15” or 16 if I’ll on my desk all day I’d rather go with a desktop for a on the desk use, the MacBook Pro is for on the go use and not just Power but battery life and power ratio
For me the only laptop I could buy would be one supported by Linux. Actually if you need only a RAW CPU/GPU power (Razer laptop comes with ~350W charger) I'd rather consider buying a normal PC and not a laptop which is hot, loud and very expensive.
Dell xps cannot really keep up with mac cause of the thermal problems.The other laptops except the asus proart are designed for gaming and not only the battery life but also the portability is crap.The only laptop i can really see being a direct competitor to mac is the asus.
Just because they can game 10x better than a Mac doesn't mean they are only for gaming. They can do everything a Mac can do and then some. Battery life is where you're right and that's the real trade-off.
AMD laptops can give 15 hour . They both uses TSMC node to manufacture chips.
WINDOWS cannot keep up. XPS has no problem keeping up running linux.
OLED screen is the kill feature for me on a new laptop. Another killer feature is upgradability.
I already have Macbook Pro 16 provided by company so my personal laptop will be an OLED Windows Laptop with upgradable RAM/SSD.
If Macbook support OLED then I will buy one as my personal laptop and just spend more money upfront for RAM/SSD.
The problem is that with oled, the battery will last even less than usual, which is already atrocious on windows
@@ethany.2981 So using dark mode will help since OLED only need to light the bright pixels.
I'm surprised you didn't toss in a Framework laptop. Unlimited upgrade-ability forever.
I just want to say that apart from the design, power and silence of MacBooks, I also love the complete absence of Windows. I hate windows beyond CZcams's censoring limitations. Linux improved greatly after Ubuntu redesigned based on iPadOS, but having Microsoft annoy the F out of me with 10 then 11, there is NO WAY I will ever get a Windows craputer again.
These comparisons are hysterical. Not one of these computers is usable without an outlet and tolerance for embarrassing fan speeds & noise. Oh… that’s right, these power hungry heaters also relegate you to using the worst, most vulnerable OS on the planet. In other words, benchmarks mean shit… in the real world, these PCs are crap.
Wonderfully said.
Some Last gen AMD laptops can smoke this gen MacPros on battery and it's cheap coz it's last gen. They both use tsmc node to make The CPU. Some AMD models can give 20hiur backup.youbcan downclock laptop to improve thermals coz AMD laptops boost over 5.4GHz as desktop while apple sits on 3.4 GHz.
@@vmafarah9473 Those are valid points and possibly true. Perhaps some real world comparisons would be great. I guess it also depends on what your use case is as to which platform provides the best solution for an individual’s needs. I’ve always rooted for AMD but haven’t found their CPUs to perform as well as Intel in practice…however, that was years ago and that may no longer be the case.
In the real world, while these Wintel laptops may have poor battery life, poor perf on battery or that S0 sleep issue Linus called out months ago, _app compatibility_ is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
@@anetizen6404 App compatibility is getting better. Look at how many apps got optimized for Apple Silicon since launch in 2020.
Asus Proart studiobooks and Vivobook pros are great. But for some reason Asus is content with releasing trailers rather than the actual product. What's the point of releasing trailers if the laptop comes after 9 months. And even then very low in stock. Vivobook pro laptops should completely replace Dell XPS 15 market. But when Dell is busy producing the laptops Asus takes that time to improve their trailers.
@@JamesMarshall68 the Vivobook pro 16x doesn't have a touch a display. Nor does it come with 32 GB RAM. The 16x specs are, i9 hx, 16gb, 4070, 16" 3.2k 120 hz OLED. It is around 2k. Which is awesome. However, even the greatest specs don't mean much if they are rarely in stock. That's what I meant earlier. Asus could go head to head with XPS models with this laptop. But for some reason there are almost no reviews on CZcams.
@@JamesMarshall68 haha no worries. It's cool. Asus basically offers a quasi bespoke service with so many options. You get your Intels and then you get your same spec with amd 😂.
Btw, pairing 4060 with an i9 HX would not be good. Since that 4060 would severely bottleneck the cpu. So at least a 4070 is required. As for RAM upgrade you are right. I am planning on getting this laptop on black Friday and get myself a 16gb stick for another $80. Though I need to cheek if they already come with 2x8 GB or 1x16gb
So why do you use a mbp?
Alternate title: Man explains something we already know: Windows laptops are less expensive but specs alone is not the main selling point for Mac users.
Yep, second this.
"The pOWER"
Wrong
Most people buy MacBook's because of the ecosystem. I recently purchased a MacBook because it was the only way to access XCode without jumping through hoops. The connectivity across all of my devices makes my MacBook a work horse. I can send a text or Document and know it'll be on my MacBook when I need it. Not to mention, Apple doesn't riddle you with constant pop ups and bloatware like Windows does.
I have a gaming Windows computer, and that's really all it is for me now. A gaming computer cause I would much rather work on my Macbook
No such thing as a windows computer. People seem to be unaware that Linux exists and outperforms mac any day of the week
hp thunderbolt dock g4 is way better in my opinion. It also has 2.5gbit ethernet
I am extremely creative person and got the basic mcp m2 14' and I have no regrets, I also run my business of this laptop, I have a lot of interests that I pursue i.e. I edit music as I am a dance teacher, run a balloon business, create posters for my work, photographer, videographer etc... I am an artist and run dance competitions and this laptop was the best purchase ever! upgraded from the MacBook Air 2018, no regrets. its amazing :)
I have a hard time deciding between the macbook pro 14' and 16'... and I will also use it for my business (graphic designer) and other creative tasks and a lot while travelling. Did you ever feel like you should have gone with the 16' model? ^^
As a video creator, my MacBook Pro 16” M1 Pro Max > any windows laptop…period. No comparison. The performance I get for DaVinci Resolve, the XDR display, the crazy battery life, the build quality. Then you add in the buttery smooth Mac OS. Which allows me to use AirDrop so I can export a video project then have it on my phone in literal seconds. Then add in the small conveniences, like iMessage or the fact I can be FaceTiming on my iPhone but then hand it off to my MacBook. There’s 100 more small things I could list. If you are a creative, and especially if you have an iPhone…spend the extra and buy the MacBook. The competitions “hardware specs” simply can’t outweigh the full package the Macbook provides. I love it more every day
The Macbook is only good for creatives. Who programs using a mac? Or play games? Nobody.
@@vincedgarvlogs completely agree with that
AMD with Ryzen will catch up at some point I hope.
Which will die at some point and nothing can be upgraded.
Framework 16 is the TRUE alternative. 2 years a new GPU is out? No problem, swap it.
Flexibility is significant, agree there. But not really enough to outweigh the power and conveniences of an M2 Max. Superiority of performance specs of some windows beasts over the M2 isn’t touching on what Apple fans love so much about their machines - which is that the whole package is seamless, beautiful, and elegant. Coders and gamers know where to go to get their needs met, and it’s not Apple. Different strokes for different folks.
When looking at the price and features of a MacBook, it's clear that not many alternatives can really compete. The MacBook is great in many areas like good speakers, nice display, long battery life, cool design, easy-to-use operating system, strong build quality, comfy keyboard, and lasting a long time. Also, the value you get for the price is hard to beat, making the MacBook way better. The only reason to choose a Windows PC over a Mac is if you want to play some specific games.
longer battery life because it doesn't have a dedicated gpu, you can't compare battery life when most high end windows laptops are packing high end GPUs
the MacBook pro m2 doesn't even need a dedicated gpu for amazing results + great battery life + iCloud integration
The problem is that you think a pc can only run windows. Any of these devices running linux will make a macbook look like a toy
Bro 😨😨😭😭 you opened my mind, i never researched this laptop before
😅
Excellent video!
Watched a similar video back then. Bought a Surface Pro 6 instead of Apple. Never regretted something more than this. Absolutely no comparison. My girlfriend has a macbook air and it operates much better than my maxed out Surface Pro 6. Its the OS. You can‘t compete with Apple for everyday use, office etc.
There is no world where a Macbook Air operates better than a Surface Pro 6. If it works better for you you probably picked out the wrong kind of laptop for whatever you're using it for.
Don't blame the laptop blame the operating system. Ditch Windows and use linux and you'll be happier than a pig in shit
“Can’t go wrong with Windows”
The only computer I’ve run windows on that didn’t constantly crash or need to be restarted daily (or more often) was on my Mac using bootcamp!
The only laptop that support all my 3d apps and render engines natively are windows laps.
Not true. Linux will run anything that Windows can run @@vmafarah9473
AND my M1 Max is the 16' beast. Fans never come on. I have two virtual machines doing crazy shit. Its dead silent and fans totally off in Kali Linux via UTM. Runs flawlessly
No use having battery efficiency when it can’t do what I wanted
I have been a Windows user since Windows 95 if I don't mistake. But, I am a Macbook user now. I really like my Macbook now. The only thing I miss from my Windows is a few apps that run in Windows only. If you use a laptop other than for gaming purpose, you will love Macbook
You know what-this is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
Apps and Battery life is better on Mac.
No need to restart for a month unlike windows which needs to restart almost everyday because of os glitches and apps are behaving weird.
Lol I haven't had those experiences on windows and for me apps I use are more likely to work better than the Mac version.
because macs don't have dedicated GPUs
Blame windows then, not the laptop. Running linux, any one of these laptops will make a macbook pro look like a kid's toy.
I am not apple fan boy, and always a surface user. But windows battery performance always disappointing me.
I don't game,I just want a machine working outdoor, that's why it's called a laptop.
best thing about the mac is it stays cool on your lap
No MacOS? No thanks
Hackintosh?
Right?
Totally agreed.
I still prefer MacBooks
Average apple meat rider😂
I had an Alienware R15 back in the day and a MacBook Air. I still today use my Air only, you could have all the hardware in the world, but portability matters when talking about a laptop. I don't want to carry 5 pounds and a charger every time I want to go portable
Ive been struggling to see how this is proce better, its mostly the same without battery
Sorry, but almost all of these are horrible alternatives. If you want gaming power get a desktop.
The only thing you seem to have focused on is the CPU/GPU performance. Almost all of these options are significantly heavier, have terrible battery life, honestly look quite ugly, and are not very versatile other than just acting as a desktop PC without actually being one. The MacBook is great because it's very versatile and does a lot of things well; it has great performance, great battery life, a nice bright screen, great touchpad and keyboard, good speakers, and fairly lightweight. Show me alternative laptops that are good at all those aspects, like the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i/9i.
windows is the battery hog. load linux on any of these and they will make a mb look like the crap that they are
My main issue with other laptops is Windows itself and I don't trust most other batterie run times. If gaming is priority don't even consider MacBooks.
As an Apple user, what I miss is Windows. It’s a double edged sword…one side is its flexibility, and other, is its flexibility. It’s both good and bad, but what I will say…I hate Apples OS. I still haven’t gotten use to it, after many years. BUT…that might be because I’m a programmer, that got tired hardware to software fails on my PC. I don’t have time to bother, figuring out integration problems on every PC I own. My big dilemma…I still miss Windows, no matter what.
@@Bat_BoyI HATE Windows tbh. I don’t like anything about Windows really.
I’d rather “waste my money” than have to ever use windows, ever again. It’s awful
What about Galaxy Book3 Ultra??
Just got a Note phone for writing and note taking and build or buy a top notch desktop. Can do everything you'll ever need plus some
Not a great comparison at all. Many people have said it, but the video just didn't get into power consumption and efficiency of the Macs. I love my Razer Blade 17, but unplugged, performs like a boat.
I watched this video from a MacBook Pro M3 Pro I bought two weeks ago. Asus Proart studiobook 16 Oled looks awesome.
Every laptop should have the ability to allow installing an optical drive. If I want an optical drive, I want an optical drive. Its absence is a bug, not a feature.
Absolutely not. There's too much performance to sacrifice on something only occasionally used. You could have a larger battery, more storage, better heat sinks, etc. They also add bulk. Furthermore USB powered optical drives are $20. Also why use optical storage when it stores less and is more prone to failure than solid state solutions? It makes no sense!
Can you please make a comparison with M3 ??