The fact that you can get stage make up that is cheaper and works fantastically is all the more reason to not support James and his creepy predator self.
can you link some cheap ones? please!!! i do stars and paint on my face daily for my makeup lol so i’ve been looking for something similar so i don’t support james lol
It actually isnt! It's PR which is different from advertising as advertising is paid for and PR is mostly free and given. Beyonce's makeup artist tagging Patrick Starr and giving him a shout out and Patrick subsequently engaging back on his social media isn't 'advertising' in the traditional sense but just PR, even if he did it unknowingly. Of course PR is always a form of advertising, but the rules and ethics can be fudged a bit. I'm actually a media student studying Public Relations/Marketing and Journalism and this is what I learned in school lol
HOWEVER, James Charles using these celebrities image in his pamphlets is ABSOLUTELY unethical as it is advertising since he paid for the pamphlets and it was created not by Painted's PR team but by their marketing team
I feel like the Patirck and /james situations are different. Patrick was fangirling after B's actual makeup artist praised him for the product. James was printing celabs images in an actual print for his product.
It's kinda nice how Patrick shouted out not only the MUA, but also the hairstylist. Meanwhile James couldn't even name the MUAs, they're only "X make up artist" (a good thing in the end, they might not get blamed for his stupidity)
I do not believe he's been working on this for 4 years. I also cannot believe that if he did work on it for that long that he would not publish warnings on his red paints.
@@BrookeCrochetsForU I mean, really not to be mean but these influencers talk like they hand produced and hand picked every ingredient and product themselves. It takes a relatively long time but most of that is waiting, especially when you have a team working for you. He's not making the product he picked a Lab to do it for him and send him samples 🤣
Just wanted to say my husband and I were at brunch and I told him I had work tea to tell him and he said "it's a mess so let's get into it" then when my jaw dropped said, "yeah i pay attention to what you listen to" 😂❤
Y’all James is a narcissist and believes he’s untouchable. That’s why he continues to do what he does because he hasn’t been held accountable. Get the law involved and he will 😌
@@Jinxy23 honestly wish that one guy would just shut up. He’s so determined to take James down, rightfully so and I appreciate him airing it, but like damn that’s giving James and his team for time to write up an excuse and/apology. Sometimes you just gotta let people hang themselves. James has enough rope.
I wish a bunch of Cardi B's fans would get her involved, like tag her in that pamphlet so that she can see that her image is being used to advertise James' products without her receiving a penny for it. She has been known to sue other influencers or channels, and she speaks openly about how if she is going to rep something she wants her money.
Imagine being one of those celebrities and now you’re one of the faces of his brand, someone who has a past of talking sexually with minors. I’d be livid
At least Morphe put a *small* disclosure on some of the colors not being eye safe. I’m just surprised James wouldn’t be a smart business owner and ask these questions on how he should disclose his products. His team really is awful about not helping him avoid legal problems
Hmm, I don’t think Patrick Starr’s was that bad. Patrick Starr made it clear that it was the make-up artist that gave him credit. He maybe took it a little too far.
I don’t think Patrick was doing it for marketing purposes, I believe he was genuinely excited that Beyoncé was using his product, he was just being a fan ❤
This. From a business standpoint, I don’t think it was smart - especially given that he’s an influencer and has to know how endorsements work - but in the moment he just seems lost in the sauce and wants to share the excitement. Like, again, as an influencer I’d expect to know better, but as we’ve seen influencers aren’t always the best at filtering their posts (the irony of that phrasing is unintended but I cannot be bothered to try and rewrite it) and can be prone to oversharing. Professional? No. Understandable? Totally - and I’m barely a Beyoncé fan. I can see the articles being the product writers who keep an eye on what’s trending on social media, and I hope that they aren’t the result of him paying - it’s an excellent product, and while I’m sure being linked to Bey gave him a boost, he doesn’t need it.
@@thepanpiper7715from a business standpoint this was incredibly smart, it helped sell out his product lmao. All he did was PR, “Beyoncé’s makeup artist said my product worked good in the rain !! This is so exciting!!” is totally fine
While they have the right to use whatever they want in the same token they cannot advertise on their clients behalf. The issue is beyonce doesnt even know who james charles is or that he has a brand for that matter and suddenly shes advertising for his brand without her consent bc her makeup artist decided that he has claim on how she should present herself to the public (which in this case is presenting as supporting an objectively controversial character)
I honestly hate that people are giving Carmine such hate. The production of those red beetles is very expensive and they are literally bred to produce the color. Because of the toxic "Vegan" Options there are artisanal masters who are closing down the production which means the way to create the dyes is phasing out and also the beetles are not being raised or protected. I know that people think crushed beetles and hate it but honestly those beetles are crushed after they are dead and spent a long life eating delicious cacti that is prepared for them in Mexico. IS2G sometimes the vegan alternative is more harmful and worse for the environment than the non-vegan one.
I'll be blunt: vegans are idiots imo. If you care about animals, be vegetarian and only purchase animal products from local farms so you know the anime is treated well. Boom.
A lot of people have Carmine allergy and intolerance. I get gnarly eye infections if carmine gets in my eyes. And those red dyes are approved for cosmetics in the EU, by more up-to-date cosmetics standards. Red lake does not often cause “stinging”, it causes staining. Carmine is deadly for some people. I’m grateful to red lake formulas because it means I can use reds and purples at all.
I keep telling people that shutting down animal derived product is not as straightforward as they think, especially when it is linked to a relatively minor practice or skill.
patrick didnt do anything wrong here imo. that setting spray is truly amazing, and has been a favorite in the makeup space since it LAUNCHED. Its not like he just gave the spray to muas for promo or review, they GO OUT THEIR WAY to get it bc its just objectively GOOD. And lastly like LETS BE FR i dont think its even SURPRISING that bee’s muas would be using that spray, i think its surprising if they didnt.
my credibility to talk abt this: this spray got me through a real sweaty hoco, ateez concert, UNIVERSAL(rode all the coasters and velocicoaster TWICE), and so much more without any budge besides like lipstick
What Patrick did and what James is doing are in two totally different ball fields imo. Patrick got specifically and publicly shouted out on the MUA's account (AND dm'd) for a specific event for Beyonce and he was genuinely very excited and it seems like it just got out of control. The MUA maybe didn't realize how much it would all blow up, magazines do articles about celebrity makeup secrets all the time but those are probably still run through a PR team and with the rise of influencer brands big celebrities are probably still extremely hesitant to take positions. James is putting these celebrities' faces in his PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL very likely without their consent unless he's paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so cus I highly doubt they've just allowed him to do so out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't just allow their likeness to be used for promotional material like that on a whim there are contracts involved and again I doubt big name celebrities want to take an endorsement for a new influencer brand especially for James.
I doubt James knew anything about his product's formulation, nor does he know anything about FDA regulations. (EDIT: i don't support James, but as someone who has worked in a cosmetics toll manufacturer / lab, they are responsible for informing him about the ingredients and its indications, regulations, etc, but ultimately the choice to put the warnings lie on the client James. As for James, i'm just not surprised lol. I wrote this as a quip to his "worked on the formulation for 4 years." It seemed like bullshit, and now it's proven as bullshit 😅)
He may not know the science behind making the product, but as a business owner he should’ve asked questions on what pigments they were using and if they are safe on skin. This is how he got in trouble with his Morphe palette
It’s a bad indicator for his business and his team that he didn’t have ANYONE who had the acumen to make sure that a warning appears on the product packaging/website. There are lawyers aplenty who specialize in being up to date on FDA regulations for a reason.
I just don't get why people get so weird about celebrities. Whenever I see them, I just leave them alone. But my god, James and Patrick are practically having an orgasm.
I wouldn’t sue unless something happened to me but this is wrong not cus it’s James Charles it’s more about using a new item on a celebrity cus what if something happens
Unfortunately he is not wrong. I also have pale eyes with prominent veins and with no base every shadow looks patchy. He put it straight on his face which was a bad move, you can see where the spatula first put the product. Second take looked way better because he applied it brush first, more even. But for the sake of it being James’s product… it’s patchy as shit boo 1 star review.
He spent years developing it 🧑🔬 lol but forreal it's hilarious how involved these influencers say they are until something goes wrong then all of a sudden it's someone else's fault and they should have been more involved in the process 🙄
At least with Patrick Starr's product the make up artist publicly acknowledged that Beyoncé was wearing his setting spray until James where we just have to take his word for it.
I don't feel bad for anyone who buys from or still supports James Charles. Not to mention, this product seems like a novelty at best. I DON'T want to have to use paint tubes and squeeze each color as I need them out onto a pallete EVERYTIME I go to do a face. Especially for the eyes.
Honestly i don't see the issue with patrick's posts, (at least he didn't print it out and made it look like beyonce herself picked it and put it on) he was excited and he kept saying "THE MAKEUP ARTIST USED" not that Beyonce picked it also the makeup artist gave him a very public shout out that everyone could see. What the articles do is out of his hands. I've also seen many small shops do the same where they make a video post or post about a celebrity using their products, for example Hard Jewelry made an excited post like patricks showing how Halsey wore their jewelry. They never printed out a picture or anything tho. I don't think it's right what James did though that's next level
I don't understand why James doesn't just openly address the warnings that are associated with artificial reds. Say what you will about him, but when Jeffree Star launched his Blood sugar pallette, he openly and thoroughly addressed the risks with staining and the FDA's classification of vegan red formulas, and that didn't stop people from buying that pallette. It's literally so easy to talk about it and tends not to drive people away from your product.
see how channels like this handle it and I'm honestly not surprised. This video is really doing its best to cast red lake in a shitty light, even though it is approved for cosmetics in the EU, beyond reasonably safe, and a great alternative for those who cannot or do not want to use carmine. The "Not for use on eyes" label looks bad enough to people who don't know better, but girly here is even going so far as pronouncing staining like "stinging" to make it sound like red lakes are problematic, when the ingredient they are replacing is more likely to cause stinging. I just hate that J* is one of the only places to find nice deep red shadows without carmine, because I hate the idea of supporting him.
@@TheBurrito171 tbh I think the issue that tea spill is trying to talk about is less the vegan reds being dangerous and more about James not addressing it, which he should have done. And the pronunciation of staining I think is just cus she's Canadian.
@@50paa41 I’ve never heard a Canadian pronounce it like that and my spouse , in-laws, and all their friends are Canadian. I think she’s just trying to over-sensationalize.
You guys saw the Try Guys recently had Manny on their shown recently? They either didn’t do their research or wholly disregarded his disgusting associations. 😡
Does anyone remember he scolded that fan for complaining the morphe pink shade stained her eye and sent hate after her, despite the fact he didnt disclose it and acted like it was common knowledge red based shades stain 🙄 i know people want vegan products but i feel like just use carmine and clarify its safer
Just imagine how this can affect the MUAs that made these celebrities makeup... A lot could go wrong and even tho they decided to use James product on their client, he is the one putting them on the front line as the "person that put my product on Beyonce's face".
@@Madynes.m Yes, that's why I said that they did make a decision, but them saying "hey, I used your product today on X" does not mean "oh, X loves your product, you can use her as a way of grabbing more attention", and a person can really take this the wrong way and think that these makeup artists took something from James to use their product on their face or that they are supporting someone that used them in that shady way.
The shade name 'left on red' is from the nail polish brand Holo Taco, by simply nailogical aka Cristine! I'm more passed about that than anything she puts so much effort into her collections it's just disappointing.
This has happened to her before. Remember that hand sanitizer situation? I think she sent a cease and desist, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly.
Hold up, James said that he had to change the formula weeks before the release, because the quality wasn't good enough. He said that he'd given out the product to these make-up artists months ago. So, he either lied (probably this) about the formula change, or he gave Beyonce's make-up artist, and others, a bad product.
He rly must have the shittiest pr-team to not say no to the pictures in the pamflett. Beyonce doesnt play when it comes to her brand so good luck with that James 🙃
To be fair, we all know that this “collabs” are just influencers choosing their favorite colors and doing a photo shoot. They don’t have any idea what is done behind the scenes.
Manny just coat tails every beauty guru. It was first Jeffree now it’s James. Such a shame he had such potential to be better but he’s just like the rest
Unless he didn’t put in that big of a order at first, so he can create the illusion that people are willing to buy his product and more will hop on the band wagon
Also "left on red" is the same name as simply nailogical Holo Taco nail polish lol (its not a big deal, they're in different markets, but I thought it was interesting)
Wait...isn't this the exact same problem he had with his eyeshadow palette? He was using this red and people were getting blisters and/or red staining? I was going to say he doesn't learn but at this point he straight up doesn't care.
Wasn’t his palette made by morphe themselves to really him. Plus idk cus I don’t know that much of the ingredients and even when I used James Charles palette I didn’t get any staining nor blisters (maybe cus I’m black idk-)
@@AUGHHHHHBBGyes Morphe made his palette but they didn’t inform him to warn his customers that some of the colors could stain/irritate the eye and he got super defensive when he was called out by Kodeerants when their eye got stained
@@jesuusch I think so too cus a bunch of my friends got it and all of us who are black or brown didn’t have any stains or blisters but my lights lined friends got blisters and stains
The problem with Painted is going to be similar to the ABH Lip Palette. E V E R Y O N E wanted the ABH lip palette, but not everyone knows color theory. So with that, a lot of people would mix their color and end up with some ugly combos. Not everyone knows how to skillfully combine paint colors to make new shades that ALSO look good on them - so the Paints could have some hype, but they wont ever get used the way he's hoping.
Idk it’s a tough one. I don’t do hair for celebrities but I have done hair for films and an outsourced contractor as a colourist for a roll - not as a listed crew member. What if the hair I did was in an movie that blew up? I feel like I’m still allowed to use those photos to show off my work as long as I took the photos myself. James is using the artists photos so it’s weird… the only part I can’t get behind is the use of the photos in print. But I think it’s okay to say the products were used by the artist. He’s not saying the celebrities endorse it.
So …. Next time Manny complains that an eyeshadow is patchy we should just remind him it’s because of his vitiligo … Idk matte cream based eyeshadows/pigments seem less forgiving why is he putting all this energy in defending the product.
Imagine being that famous and having someone close to you who works on you every day selling you out like that for internet clout. If any of them are still working for those singers I will be shocked. They will probably get blacklisted from celeb client lists because of their idiocy
You would think after the red mishap with his morphe palette, you would think he would have learned from that. I saw Manny use the products, and they look terrible.
Was it that difficult for manny to have a base on the lid first before reviewing the product? He’s seeing the comments, people call him out to try it this way now so we see if it’s actually patchy!
Honestly if someone else was releasing this product I’d 100% buy it. I know people are saying it’s a weird product or risky but I personally love eye paints. I have quite a few that are more expensive than JC’s. I rarely get staining but if I do, I always know that’s a risk I took by using one that’s not eye safe. But I refuse to support a weird groomer predator. He will never get a dime from me.
If I was Avril I would scold the MUA and sue the Hell out of JC! Imagine some dog food company trying to promote their stuff by saying Celeb X Y and Z's dogs eat it! It's the same thing! And Manuel was just pathetic! People called him out on his bias and he started making up excuses for himself and blaming the equipment. OK! Go to your CZcams filming room and film a full 4K review then! Vitiligo? Please! That man wouldn't know Vitiligo if Michael Jackson rose from the dead and slapped him across the face!
This is like when random makeup companies uses celebrities to sell their products on Facebook, 100% if someone used James face without his knowledge he would make sure a lawsuit happened. How dumb can he be?
only thing im mad at patrick for is that i forgot to restock my products b4 that shoutout😭…its already hard enough to buy his priming/setting products ESPECIALLYYY when summer and concert season hits, now its gonna be actually impossible
Say what you will but I will not be supporting James Charles, Manny Mua and Patrick Star because time and time again they just show how much of a disappointment they are. Manny’s and Patrick’s products look interesting, but I don’t want to support them as a person.
It's the fact I got James' paint set and I literally have an eye infection from it. From a small incident where some of the red paint got into my eye. At first, I didn't think much of it and I washed it out but a day after, my eye started to get extremely irritated and swell. Now I got a major eye infection thanks to it.
I cannot stand James Charles but I have got to say this whole FDA thing is ridiculous like they are approved in the EU which is usually a lot more strict. The FDA have to catch up with the times
I think the FDA is more strict with these things because Americans tend to be more prone to suing companies therefore they try to protect the bottom line by helping companies avoid lawsuits.
@@jesuusch this is actually not true. Usually the EU is about 3 years behind approvals than the US because there’s so many countries and people can’t agree 😆
FDA doesn’t even matter look at all the shit they pass and could careless. Not saying he should have that in there just saying the FDA label doesn’t matter
Honestly, those ingredients are deemed safe in the EU. What happens is they can stain and some people have sensitivities to it. It's common in red dyes. Not defending james, just stating it's pretty common in cosmetics and isn't as serious as people are making it out to be.
I don’t like any of these influencers but I see nothing wrong with the celeb portion. James and Patrick both said an MUA used the product on these celebs. Anyone who thinks celebs are doing their own glam is just naive to the industry. And when it comes to the red pigment issue, MOST people know red is not approved for the eye so for James to not disclose that is weird. It wouldn’t hurt the sale of that product very much. And if someone did use it and get a reaction, at least you had a warning. So yeah, that’s dumb of him not to give the label warning but I disagree with the controversy about the celebs. They aren’t endorsing anything, it’s a picture of what the MUA used.
I have to agree with you, I would just buy something ready made and forget about mixing everything. He should have hit while the iron was hot and he wasn''t known as a pedo.
I'm tired of these "influencer" fools thinking they're above the law and above recourse. If someone doesn't report JC for that flier, I will. Then, MAYBE then, the courts will take JC's allegations seriously.
If my make up artist put James Charles's face paint on me and if I didn't know about it... I would be mad. I don't want to be involved any shape or form with a pedo.
FDA approved? What do you mean FDA Approved? I don’t sell medical products…😂😂😂
Did he share the same pink formula as The Pink Sauce lady?
Lol
@chanwinsern8814 probably, it looks like pink sauce too
That lady was a mess😂😂😂
lmaooo
The fact that you can get stage make up that is cheaper and works fantastically is all the more reason to not support James and his creepy predator self.
Frrrr
Yooooo people always underestimate stage makeup!!
can you link some cheap ones? please!!! i do stars and paint on my face daily for my makeup lol so i’ve been looking for something similar so i don’t support james lol
💯
@@33cangel Look into Ben Nye or Mehron they are both really good.
Reacting to a celeb wearing your products doesn’t seem nearly as bad as printing their face in your promo materials
💯 it’s pushing it mentioning it like if tagged but using their image? Waiting on the cease and desist.
I’ve seen brands repost celebs wearing their things but never be this brazen. It costs millions to get their face associated with the brand
It actually isnt! It's PR which is different from advertising as advertising is paid for and PR is mostly free and given. Beyonce's makeup artist tagging Patrick Starr and giving him a shout out and Patrick subsequently engaging back on his social media isn't 'advertising' in the traditional sense but just PR, even if he did it unknowingly. Of course PR is always a form of advertising, but the rules and ethics can be fudged a bit. I'm actually a media student studying Public Relations/Marketing and Journalism and this is what I learned in school lol
HOWEVER, James Charles using these celebrities image in his pamphlets is ABSOLUTELY unethical as it is advertising since he paid for the pamphlets and it was created not by Painted's PR team but by their marketing team
@@tinaspiceseize and assist** ( Amberlynn Reid reference I’m sorry )
James - “The reason why painted was delayed was because I switched the formula”
People - “Gets eye infections and itchy eyes”
Too bad Kodeerants is canceled bc they could call out James for a second time
😂☠️ nooooo!
I would LOVE to see him try to talk his way out of thag
And apparently it took him 40 years to make that impractical, infectious mess. 😂😂😂
He said he used this formula at Cochella☠️
Patrick seemed so genuine in his videos tho, he was probably just excited Beyoncé liked the product
I feel like the Patirck and /james situations are different. Patrick was fangirling after B's actual makeup artist praised him for the product. James was printing celabs images in an actual print for his product.
@@Loops-1 couldn’t agree more
the only weird thing was patrick paying for articles to be written about it.
It's kinda nice how Patrick shouted out not only the MUA, but also the hairstylist. Meanwhile James couldn't even name the MUAs, they're only "X make up artist" (a good thing in the end, they might not get blamed for his stupidity)
Yeah I agree. I think Patrick was just not thinking and suuuuper excited. James, on the other hand, is being his usual snake ass self 😂💀
I do not believe he's been working on this for 4 years. I also cannot believe that if he did work on it for that long that he would not publish warnings on his red paints.
Yeah he wrote an email every 3-4 months related to this- there it's been 4 years of work guys.
@@mordecaiissad8529 his poor fingers must have worked to the bone. 😆😆
@@BrookeCrochetsForU I mean, really not to be mean but these influencers talk like they hand produced and hand picked every ingredient and product themselves. It takes a relatively long time but most of that is waiting, especially when you have a team working for you. He's not making the product he picked a Lab to do it for him and send him samples 🤣
@@mordecaiissad8529 I was just being sarcastic 🤣🤣🤣
He’s running this like he has no real plan or idea what he stepped in.
Just wanted to say my husband and I were at brunch and I told him I had work tea to tell him and he said "it's a mess so let's get into it" then when my jaw dropped said, "yeah i pay attention to what you listen to" 😂❤
so cute
Lol that’s so cute! 😭
Thats so cuteeee😂
That’s so cute
I love this lol 🙌🏾😄
Y’all James is a narcissist and believes he’s untouchable. That’s why he continues to do what he does because he hasn’t been held accountable. Get the law involved and he will 😌
yeah he only gets wrist slaps.
That’s why I hope as many people as possible sue him
@@Jinxy23 honestly wish that one guy would just shut up. He’s so determined to take James down, rightfully so and I appreciate him airing it, but like damn that’s giving James and his team for time to write up an excuse and/apology. Sometimes you just gotta let people hang themselves. James has enough rope.
I wish a bunch of Cardi B's fans would get her involved, like tag her in that pamphlet so that she can see that her image is being used to advertise James' products without her receiving a penny for it. She has been known to sue other influencers or channels, and she speaks openly about how if she is going to rep something she wants her money.
Can you imagine if James gets sued by all those female singers and loses out on the money he made from this launch? 🤭
cant wait 😇
That... _would be beautiful_
I would love that
waiting to see what'll happen in the coming weeks 🫢
I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.
Imagine being one of those celebrities and now you’re one of the faces of his brand, someone who has a past of talking sexually with minors. I’d be livid
I mean Hollywood is the place for predators
i would be too if i were them id be denouncing james publicly so fast because i wouldn’t want that associated with me
That's when the lawyers get involved :D
@@SilencedTides yup, hopefully someone does
I'd be so pissed
girl his Morphe palette was the same way. none of these people surprise me anymore.
At least Morphe put a *small* disclosure on some of the colors not being eye safe. I’m just surprised James wouldn’t be a smart business owner and ask these questions on how he should disclose his products. His team really is awful about not helping him avoid legal problems
@@jesuuschyou’re surprised he wouldn’t be smart? 😭
Hmm, I don’t think Patrick Starr’s was that bad. Patrick Starr made it clear that it was the make-up artist that gave him credit. He maybe took it a little too far.
Anytime I hear about an influencer...even a new one, I automatically think "What kind of scam are they up to?"
I don’t think Patrick was doing it for marketing purposes, I believe he was genuinely excited that Beyoncé was using his product, he was just being a fan ❤
I think so too. Like let’s be fr who wouldn’t be excited that Beyoncé used ur product🥸I wouldn’t shut up about it for a good minute ngl💀
This. From a business standpoint, I don’t think it was smart - especially given that he’s an influencer and has to know how endorsements work - but in the moment he just seems lost in the sauce and wants to share the excitement. Like, again, as an influencer I’d expect to know better, but as we’ve seen influencers aren’t always the best at filtering their posts (the irony of that phrasing is unintended but I cannot be bothered to try and rewrite it) and can be prone to oversharing.
Professional? No. Understandable? Totally - and I’m barely a Beyoncé fan.
I can see the articles being the product writers who keep an eye on what’s trending on social media, and I hope that they aren’t the result of him paying - it’s an excellent product, and while I’m sure being linked to Bey gave him a boost, he doesn’t need it.
@@thepanpiper7715from a business standpoint this was incredibly smart, it helped sell out his product lmao. All he did was PR, “Beyoncé’s makeup artist said my product worked good in the rain !! This is so exciting!!” is totally fine
also the make up artists should get in trouble for lowkey making their clients advertise things without knowing
Not really since they have the right to use whatever makeup they want.
@@takemyhand1988they can get in trouble with their clients bc they are using a brand on them that they might not approve of like James Charles
The MUAs wouldn’t be in trouble but the brands would for using someone’s likeness without their permission
While they have the right to use whatever they want in the same token they cannot advertise on their clients behalf. The issue is beyonce doesnt even know who james charles is or that he has a brand for that matter and suddenly shes advertising for his brand without her consent bc her makeup artist decided that he has claim on how she should present herself to the public (which in this case is presenting as supporting an objectively controversial character)
@@takemyhand1988That may be until their image and publicity is being used to endorse a make up brand that they don't have an agreement with.
I honestly hate that people are giving Carmine such hate. The production of those red beetles is very expensive and they are literally bred to produce the color. Because of the toxic "Vegan" Options there are artisanal masters who are closing down the production which means the way to create the dyes is phasing out and also the beetles are not being raised or protected. I know that people think crushed beetles and hate it but honestly those beetles are crushed after they are dead and spent a long life eating delicious cacti that is prepared for them in Mexico. IS2G sometimes the vegan alternative is more harmful and worse for the environment than the non-vegan one.
I'll be blunt: vegans are idiots imo. If you care about animals, be vegetarian and only purchase animal products from local farms so you know the anime is treated well. Boom.
A lot of people have Carmine allergy and intolerance. I get gnarly eye infections if carmine gets in my eyes. And those red dyes are approved for cosmetics in the EU, by more up-to-date cosmetics standards. Red lake does not often cause “stinging”, it causes staining. Carmine is deadly for some people. I’m grateful to red lake formulas because it means I can use reds and purples at all.
Because it’s fucked up to kill animals/insects just for our makeup wants
I keep telling people that shutting down animal derived product is not as straightforward as they think, especially when it is linked to a relatively minor practice or skill.
This
There is no “in trouble” there is no “accountable”. People do whatever the hell they want then get a lawyer to fix it.
Or a grey hoodie
Beyoncé is one of the most litigious celebrities lmao. She can afford better lawyers than James
James Charles and drama is a timeless classic at this point
Him and Jeffree live off drama
At this point he's keeping tea sellers in business.
why do i see you everywhere
patrick didnt do anything wrong here imo. that setting spray is truly amazing, and has been a favorite in the makeup space since it LAUNCHED. Its not like he just gave the spray to muas for promo or review, they GO OUT THEIR WAY to get it bc its just objectively GOOD. And lastly like LETS BE FR i dont think its even SURPRISING that bee’s muas would be using that spray, i think its surprising if they didnt.
my credibility to talk abt this: this spray got me through a real sweaty hoco, ateez concert, UNIVERSAL(rode all the coasters and velocicoaster TWICE), and so much more without any budge besides like lipstick
What Patrick did and what James is doing are in two totally different ball fields imo. Patrick got specifically and publicly shouted out on the MUA's account (AND dm'd) for a specific event for Beyonce and he was genuinely very excited and it seems like it just got out of control. The MUA maybe didn't realize how much it would all blow up, magazines do articles about celebrity makeup secrets all the time but those are probably still run through a PR team and with the rise of influencer brands big celebrities are probably still extremely hesitant to take positions. James is putting these celebrities' faces in his PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL very likely without their consent unless he's paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so cus I highly doubt they've just allowed him to do so out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't just allow their likeness to be used for promotional material like that on a whim there are contracts involved and again I doubt big name celebrities want to take an endorsement for a new influencer brand especially for James.
I doubt James knew anything about his product's formulation, nor does he know anything about FDA regulations. (EDIT: i don't support James, but as someone who has worked in a cosmetics toll manufacturer / lab, they are responsible for informing him about the ingredients and its indications, regulations, etc, but ultimately the choice to put the warnings lie on the client James. As for James, i'm just not surprised lol. I wrote this as a quip to his "worked on the formulation for 4 years." It seemed like bullshit, and now it's proven as bullshit 😅)
He may not know the science behind making the product, but as a business owner he should’ve asked questions on what pigments they were using and if they are safe on skin. This is how he got in trouble with his Morphe palette
@@jesuusch agreed if you’re going to sell something, you should know what’s in it!
Doesn't this guy have a team? He doesn't have to know details, but someone on his team should have known.
It’s a bad indicator for his business and his team that he didn’t have ANYONE who had the acumen to make sure that a warning appears on the product packaging/website. There are lawyers aplenty who specialize in being up to date on FDA regulations for a reason.
damn if i was one of those celebrities i would be suing. especially because he’s not the person i’d want to be associated with.
I just don't get why people get so weird about celebrities. Whenever I see them, I just leave them alone. But my god, James and Patrick are practically having an orgasm.
Same
I wouldn’t sue unless something happened to me but this is wrong not cus it’s James Charles it’s more about using a new item on a celebrity cus what if something happens
Imagine if Ariana’s makeup artist used his paints and he used her name to promote his brand? Nah she would sue him for sure after he called her rude
@@jesuusch his brand is crap (his doing). He's just clout chasing hoping it goes back up.
Manny saying “It’s my veins!” …then shouldn’t the product be able to cover them up?
especially since he kept going on about how “full full coverage” it is 🙄
Unfortunately he is not wrong. I also have pale eyes with prominent veins and with no base every shadow looks patchy. He put it straight on his face which was a bad move, you can see where the spatula first put the product. Second take looked way better because he applied it brush first, more even. But for the sake of it being James’s product… it’s patchy as shit boo 1 star review.
you’d think james would be more inclined to avoid drama after returning to social media..
It’s the only thing that keeps him relevant like his old pal Jeffree
Did he ever leave?
No, he thrives on drama. His whole brand is based on it. Plus he has yet to go to jail so he’s just gonna continue being a giant turd till he does.
He’s a straight up narcissist he does not even see his wrong doings
But but guys, he worked so hard on the formula 😂
He spent years developing it 🧑🔬 lol but forreal it's hilarious how involved these influencers say they are until something goes wrong then all of a sudden it's someone else's fault and they should have been more involved in the process 🙄
@@Shyknitvery true. Every time 😂
At least with Patrick Starr's product the make up artist publicly acknowledged that Beyoncé was wearing his setting spray until James where we just have to take his word for it.
I don't feel bad for anyone who buys from or still supports James Charles. Not to mention, this product seems like a novelty at best. I DON'T want to have to use paint tubes and squeeze each color as I need them out onto a pallete EVERYTIME I go to do a face. Especially for the eyes.
Beyonce's mua needs to watch it. That's the second time he "inadvertently" connected Beyonce to people she doesn't endorse.
"somebody's getting fired, heyhey" 😅
Honestly i don't see the issue with patrick's posts, (at least he didn't print it out and made it look like beyonce herself picked it and put it on) he was excited and he kept saying "THE MAKEUP ARTIST USED" not that Beyonce picked it also the makeup artist gave him a very public shout out that everyone could see. What the articles do is out of his hands. I've also seen many small shops do the same where they make a video post or post about a celebrity using their products, for example Hard Jewelry made an excited post like patricks showing how Halsey wore their jewelry. They never printed out a picture or anything tho. I don't think it's right what James did though that's next level
Come through Manny! Praising the brown paint when it's PATCHY the house!!! 🤣🤣🤣
💀💀💀
Remember how the pallet he did with morphe stained the lids of costumers and then crickets.... he doesn’t care anymore
He’s never cared
I don't understand why James doesn't just openly address the warnings that are associated with artificial reds. Say what you will about him, but when Jeffree Star launched his Blood sugar pallette, he openly and thoroughly addressed the risks with staining and the FDA's classification of vegan red formulas, and that didn't stop people from buying that pallette. It's literally so easy to talk about it and tends not to drive people away from your product.
see how channels like this handle it and I'm honestly not surprised. This video is really doing its best to cast red lake in a shitty light, even though it is approved for cosmetics in the EU, beyond reasonably safe, and a great alternative for those who cannot or do not want to use carmine. The "Not for use on eyes" label looks bad enough to people who don't know better, but girly here is even going so far as pronouncing staining like "stinging" to make it sound like red lakes are problematic, when the ingredient they are replacing is more likely to cause stinging. I just hate that J* is one of the only places to find nice deep red shadows without carmine, because I hate the idea of supporting him.
@@TheBurrito171 tbh I think the issue that tea spill is trying to talk about is less the vegan reds being dangerous and more about James not addressing it, which he should have done. And the pronunciation of staining I think is just cus she's Canadian.
@@50paa41 I’ve never heard a Canadian pronounce it like that and my spouse , in-laws, and all their friends are Canadian. I think she’s just trying to over-sensationalize.
@@TheBurrito171i agree. Carmine mat cause more issues and I heard stinging then I realised she's talking staining
Sorry, are we surprised anymore with these people?
I'm genuinely tired of hearing about them. They're boring and going through the same "drama" over and over again. Its so understimulating here rn😅
How can Manny MUA support a literal predator?! How can anyone?!
he and Laura were good friends with Jeffree for a while
anything for clout
You guys saw the Try Guys recently had Manny on their shown recently? They either didn’t do their research or wholly disregarded his disgusting associations. 😡
Does anyone remember he scolded that fan for complaining the morphe pink shade stained her eye and sent hate after her, despite the fact he didnt disclose it and acted like it was common knowledge red based shades stain 🙄 i know people want vegan products but i feel like just use carmine and clarify its safer
Just imagine how this can affect the MUAs that made these celebrities makeup... A lot could go wrong and even tho they decided to use James product on their client, he is the one putting them on the front line as the "person that put my product on Beyonce's face".
yeah, but i imagine they themselves sent the photos to james and let him know
@@Madynes.m it's possible James used the picture the MUA posted on their own socials
@@Madynes.m Yes, that's why I said that they did make a decision, but them saying "hey, I used your product today on X" does not mean "oh, X loves your product, you can use her as a way of grabbing more attention", and a person can really take this the wrong way and think that these makeup artists took something from James to use their product on their face or that they are supporting someone that used them in that shady way.
The shade name 'left on red' is from the nail polish brand Holo Taco, by simply nailogical aka Cristine! I'm more passed about that than anything she puts so much effort into her collections it's just disappointing.
This has happened to her before. Remember that hand sanitizer situation? I think she sent a cease and desist, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly.
@@KelseyDrummer yeah! she handles things so well. Like a normal business woman.
Hold up, James said that he had to change the formula weeks before the release, because the quality wasn't good enough. He said that he'd given out the product to these make-up artists months ago. So, he either lied (probably this) about the formula change, or he gave Beyonce's make-up artist, and others, a bad product.
some think he lied about that to get people talking
@@no-mu6gw Wouldn't put it past him. James loves four things; money, fame, make-up & teenagers.
The dude that literally started his influencer career on lying to the public lying about his work? Nooooo couldn't be
You would think he had learnt his lesson with his Morphe palette, remember Kody rants went crazy about how his eyeshadow had stained her eyes 😂
Well Kodee got canceled from the Colleen situation so they can’t come back to roast James again
I agree that people most likely won't grab painted for everyday use, especially if it's from James, maybe for halloween looks or something but still
manny compared it to a regular brown eyeshadow to show that his vitiligo still shows!
@@leslieexv2946still sucks that he’s supposrtinh him :/// ugh I was just watching him the other day whyyy manny
He rly must have the shittiest pr-team to not say no to the pictures in the pamflett. Beyonce doesnt play when it comes to her brand so good luck with that James 🙃
Didn't James have a similar pigment issue with his Morphe collaboration??? You'd think he'd know better...
If he didn’t learn from Dramaggeadon, he wouldn’t learn from other past mistakes.
@@jesuusch yeah, i was being sarcastic - he's a disaster 💀
To be fair, we all know that this “collabs” are just influencers choosing their favorite colors and doing a photo shoot. They don’t have any idea what is done behind the scenes.
Manny just coat tails every beauty guru. It was first Jeffree now it’s James. Such a shame he had such potential to be better but he’s just like the rest
Do James and Patrick not realise they could be putting their friends job at risk by using Beyonce to sell their makeup?
The fact that any shades of James Charles face paints sold out at all says a lot about us as a society.
Unless he didn’t put in that big of a order at first, so he can create the illusion that people are willing to buy his product and more will hop on the band wagon
Also "left on red" is the same name as simply nailogical Holo Taco nail polish lol (its not a big deal, they're in different markets, but I thought it was interesting)
Waaaait he already changed the description!!! It says "Keep out of eyes" but proceeds to show only eye makeup looks lol
So shady!
Wait...isn't this the exact same problem he had with his eyeshadow palette? He was using this red and people were getting blisters and/or red staining? I was going to say he doesn't learn but at this point he straight up doesn't care.
Wasn’t his palette made by morphe themselves to really him. Plus idk cus I don’t know that much of the ingredients and even when I used James Charles palette I didn’t get any staining nor blisters (maybe cus I’m black idk-)
@@AUGHHHHHBBGyes Morphe made his palette but they didn’t inform him to warn his customers that some of the colors could stain/irritate the eye and he got super defensive when he was called out by Kodeerants when their eye got stained
@@AUGHHHHHBBGI do believe the staining is more prominent on white skin but I could be wrong
@@jesuusch that’s true
@@jesuusch I think so too cus a bunch of my friends got it and all of us who are black or brown didn’t have any stains or blisters but my lights lined friends got blisters and stains
The problem with Painted is going to be similar to the ABH Lip Palette. E V E R Y O N E wanted the ABH lip palette, but not everyone knows color theory. So with that, a lot of people would mix their color and end up with some ugly combos. Not everyone knows how to skillfully combine paint colors to make new shades that ALSO look good on them - so the Paints could have some hype, but they wont ever get used the way he's hoping.
Since when has James Charles ever cared about the law???? Or morality? 😂
Idk it’s a tough one. I don’t do hair for celebrities but I have done hair for films and an outsourced contractor as a colourist for a roll - not as a listed crew member. What if the hair I did was in an movie that blew up? I feel like I’m still allowed to use those photos to show off my work as long as I took the photos myself. James is using the artists photos so it’s weird… the only part I can’t get behind is the use of the photos in print. But I think it’s okay to say the products were used by the artist. He’s not saying the celebrities endorse it.
I feel the same, Luke tou can verbally say they were used, bit it's another ballgame to use their image and reptutation to endorse your product.
Hair is different though. It’s like when barbers have photos of celebrities for people to point and say they want that hairstyle
More drama ugh… (clicks immediately)
So …. Next time Manny complains that an eyeshadow is patchy we should just remind him it’s because of his vitiligo …
Idk matte cream based eyeshadows/pigments seem less forgiving why is he putting all this energy in defending the product.
Imagine being that famous and having someone close to you who works on you every day selling you out like that for internet clout. If any of them are still working for those singers I will be shocked. They will probably get blacklisted from celeb client lists because of their idiocy
The moment you said red I already knew where this was going
You would think after the red mishap with his morphe palette, you would think he would have learned from that. I saw Manny use the products, and they look terrible.
Was it that difficult for manny to have a base on the lid first before reviewing the product? He’s seeing the comments, people call him out to try it this way now so we see if it’s actually patchy!
Honestly if someone else was releasing this product I’d 100% buy it. I know people are saying it’s a weird product or risky but I personally love eye paints. I have quite a few that are more expensive than JC’s. I rarely get staining but if I do, I always know that’s a risk I took by using one that’s not eye safe. But I refuse to support a weird groomer predator. He will never get a dime from me.
I think the Patrick star thing is totally OK because it was the make up artist who posted it, and I would be freaking out to
So he didn't get their permission to use names OR likeness. Oh, James; I smell a lawsuit. MANY lawsuits.
I don't know if any of them actually will, but they easily could. He's probably "just a CZcamsr" in the eyes of some of those big names.
Do I smell a future lawsuit or tiktok regarding that red? Perhaps...
If I was Avril I would scold the MUA and sue the Hell out of JC! Imagine some dog food company trying to promote their stuff by saying Celeb X Y and Z's dogs eat it! It's the same thing!
And Manuel was just pathetic! People called him out on his bias and he started making up excuses for himself and blaming the equipment. OK! Go to your CZcams filming room and film a full 4K review then! Vitiligo? Please! That man wouldn't know Vitiligo if Michael Jackson rose from the dead and slapped him across the face!
This is like when random makeup companies uses celebrities to sell their products on Facebook, 100% if someone used James face without his knowledge he would make sure a lawsuit happened. How dumb can he be?
I worked for a brand… and I know for fact brands PAY the artist for that kind of mention 😵💫
I have a list of blocked influencers who I cannot stand solely based on their voices… James is one of them 😖
Using James’ paints as makeup legit looks like clown makeup
okay the Patrick thing… like it’s just a shoutout 😭😭…
Dont even start FDAGate please....
only thing im mad at patrick for is that i forgot to restock my products b4 that shoutout😭…its already hard enough to buy his priming/setting products ESPECIALLYYY when summer and concert season hits, now its gonna be actually impossible
i don't follow manny mua but from what i've seen in some videos, he supports all controversial influencers
honestly rather disappointed but not surprised because he was friends with Jeffree
Say what you will but I will not be supporting James Charles, Manny Mua and Patrick Star because time and time again they just show how much of a disappointment they are. Manny’s and Patrick’s products look interesting, but I don’t want to support them as a person.
It’s clown paint. Fitting since James is a clown 🤡
I have vitiligo too and know how make up sits on the skin. That brown is hella patchy, it’s not a skin issue 🙄
It's the fact I got James' paint set and I literally have an eye infection from it. From a small incident where some of the red paint got into my eye. At first, I didn't think much of it and I washed it out but a day after, my eye started to get extremely irritated and swell. Now I got a major eye infection thanks to it.
But isn’t every make up and skin care, irritate your eyes if they go inside of it ?
@@pancakegamer335 true tbh 🤨
Why did you even get it in the first place lol
@@limijingr I’m not even sure at this point? 😭
Supporting a predator too much 😬
If I was the makeup model for the red paint, id be seeking a lawyer immediately 😂
i hope he's sued over and over
Completely agree this is not makeup for everyone. I’m supposed to literally paint my face before work every day and build my own foundation? BFFR
I cannot stand James Charles but I have got to say this whole FDA thing is ridiculous like they are approved in the EU which is usually a lot more strict. The FDA have to catch up with the times
Also for anyone who does use these colours usually a good eye primer should stop most staining 💕
I think the FDA is more strict with these things because Americans tend to be more prone to suing companies therefore they try to protect the bottom line by helping companies avoid lawsuits.
Different systems and regulations
@@jesuuschNothing is more strict with the US.
@@jesuusch this is actually not true. Usually the EU is about 3 years behind approvals than the US because there’s so many countries and people can’t agree 😆
FDA doesn’t even matter look at all the shit they pass and could careless. Not saying he should have that in there just saying the FDA label doesn’t matter
I think he should rebrand his products:
Painted > Molested
At this point is the consumer’s fault if the keep buying from these crony influencers
Honestly, those ingredients are deemed safe in the EU. What happens is they can stain and some people have sensitivities to it. It's common in red dyes. Not defending james, just stating it's pretty common in cosmetics and isn't as serious as people are making it out to be.
I LOVE that you post these videos right when im starting my lunch break at work
The way Patrick was jumping all over that IG post and then for it to be removed…. I’m embarrassed for them
I hope the beauty artists don't get backlash for these influencers.
I don’t like any of these influencers but I see nothing wrong with the celeb portion. James and Patrick both said an MUA used the product on these celebs. Anyone who thinks celebs are doing their own glam is just naive to the industry.
And when it comes to the red pigment issue, MOST people know red is not approved for the eye so for James to not disclose that is weird. It wouldn’t hurt the sale of that product very much. And if someone did use it and get a reaction, at least you had a warning. So yeah, that’s dumb of him not to give the label warning but I disagree with the controversy about the celebs. They aren’t endorsing anything, it’s a picture of what the MUA used.
They really put on James' paint and gasp like it looks great when it looks like any regular or cheap makeup
Manny MUA Looks like he is wearing makeup from Clair’s lol
I have to agree with you, I would just buy something ready made and forget about mixing everything. He should have hit while the iron was hot and he wasn''t known as a pedo.
I'm tired of these "influencer" fools thinking they're above the law and above recourse. If someone doesn't report JC for that flier, I will. Then, MAYBE then, the courts will take JC's allegations seriously.
It honestly doesn’t surprise me that he is already having problems. It’d be more surprising if it went smoothly
If my make up artist put James Charles's face paint on me and if I didn't know about it... I would be mad. I don't want to be involved any shape or form with a pedo.
Manny MUA reviews Painted coz he's desperate to get more subscribers from James' fandom 😂
5:15 - LOL this reminds me of random barbors all over world using celebrity photos literally on the front of their stores. It's harmless but funny
He literally talked to minors why are people buying his products?
Probably only his younger fans are the ones buying them
Minors who lied about their age. Y'all just love to hate on him
@@luckyshaz413 Y'all just love to make excuses for predators. Good look, well played
what happened to seperating the art from the artist..?
@@n44thannthts literally impossible in this scenario. Buy his products and ur literally supporting him? who he is? a whole? like tf?
I am looking forward to seeing people review his Painted face paints....
100% he’s going to be super defensive like he was with his Morphe palette and not be a good CEO and actually listen to the criticism
Manny’s “brutally honest” review is such BS. James literally went to his house to give him that PR in person.
The look that Manny tried..boy...girl needs to figure it out....James needs to figure it out with him, damn.
Im sorry Manny was working so hard to blend that paint like gahhhhhh
aren't there cheap facepaints that come around during halloween that even have a warning on them? yet james can't do this?