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for anything less than gaming, it is insane how powerful these devices are getting and how small.
If you don't care about gaming or heavy-duty graphics editing, you can legitimately get by with a $100 mini-PC these days.
powerful yes, I don't know about small though, these SBC's have grown in size quite a bit and are now basically just on par size-wise with industrial computers and mini-itx, I'd love to see some more in the raspberry pi or smaller category personally rather than bigger and more powerful.
@@1Raptor85 That is the catch, you could have something smaller but than you wouldn't have all that I/O and m.2 capacity. Further this particular SBC has a massive cooler (relatively speaking) which you may not need on a raspberry pi. It's all a question of tradeoffs. Reduced size is achieved by reduced capabilities which may not be desired in this instance.
@@NRGYId love something i can emulate ps3/360 games on without a hint of performance issue, i move my setup so often that something smaller would be a game changer..
@@yunginfraaaSteam deck????
Let's not forget, up until pretty recently, Apple sold brand new hardware less powerful than this thing for at leat 8x this thing's price and.people swore to high heavens that it was a godsend for video editing.
It still is?
I don't anything Apple.
I mean, they added a bunch of specific sections on the die specifically for accelerating video editing. So yeah, to some people that might be worth the markup to accelerate their workflows. If you are a professional video editor then the amount of time it saves may well be worth it.
@@jonkoops If time is worth that much to you then you'd still be better off looking elsewhere. Apple is only the current king for performance per watt on the desktop side of things but it's by no stretch of the imagination the fastest.
Which hardware specifically?
and so did other Laptop manufacturers. It's called Moore's law
I'd really like to see Jellyfin and Plex performance at this point, especially with transcoding 4K content. I don't really see much about that with 13th gen processors.
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this will eat plex for breakfast, it also has quicksync hardware transcoding and av1 support.
Same interest. I'd like to know if it can transcode at least two videos on the fly in Plex, at native resolution. So two 4K HDR to 4K SDR lower bitrate. As well as TrueHD, Atmos or DTS-HD-Master audio transcoding in the same files.
You’re the first reviewer to actually explain each slot of m.2 and not say “it supports 3 nvme drives”
Looking at the price of this SBC, it's basically a laptop without any of the conveniences of a laptop.
there is little convenience for a 600 dollar laptop
@@highjinx68 Not quite sure what you mean. You'll easily find an i5 with approximately the same specs for 600 bucks. Such a laptop would ship with a decent nvme and wifi, both of which the $579 version of this SBC does not include. And of course, there's the screen and the keyboard.
I find it to be costly. I do not mean overpriced, because I think it is worth what they ask. But I find difficult to justify that kind of money for the application it may have.
This would make a good Debian mini server. I wish it has 32GB Ram instead of 16GB though. Very nice. Thanks
Same 100%
According to the website, 32GB is the max. So maybe two models now?
That is single board computer i wanted to see, this performance/size/possibilities with ports/storage is amazing. Very good vid thanks.
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I don't know, in my opinion the appeal of a RaspberryPI is how inexpensive it is. Sure something like this has its use and its cool but when I hear SBC my mind goes to sub $50 credit card sized computers.
Yeah same
Just as Jeff Geering said "if you hit the $100 price point, you're competing with mini PCs. And once you hit $300 price point, you can buy a ryzen pc" at that price point just buy or build a mini itx pc, you'll even have the ability to upgrade it in the future....
@@ChimeraX0401 miniITX is way too large for what I need such a device for (stored in a locker over night). But yes, I just got a mini-PC running a Ryzen processor from Minisforum.
@@anlumo1 - Mini-ITX drops down to the size of a shoebox if you get the right case, and that's if you need space for a graphics card. Cases that don't leave room for a graphics card are even smaller. There are also shoe-box sized PCs with a handle, to make it easier to carry them around.
@@arthurwintersight7868 yeah, I have an RGeek L80S lying around which barely fit my old board plus power supply. The problem is that upgrading the system is more expensive than just buying one of the Minisforum PCs, because miniITX boards are crazy expensive even without a CPU.
Also, modern motherboards are using a sandwich layout for stacking the SSDs and IO, which means that most low profile coolers don’t fit any more.
Hmm, the audio quality is still off; it sounds more like an issue with compression or something on the software side, rather than the mic 😶
Damn close, but I need 32 GB ram for Proxmox and Ceph.
There is a 32GB version.
Their are 20 TB HDDs actually. Insane performance for this form factor
22TB Muahahaha!
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Throw in a 4 TB NVMe as a cache for a 20 TB HDD, and you've got a pretty powerful NAS setup, though I would definitely back up data to another device.
@@ZombieFartDev i wonder how those people determine what kind of wrong word (there/their/they're) to use in each particular case
i wouldn't be surprised (but still be annoyed), if i saw "their in there cars over they're..."
and i'm not a native English speaker
@@stclaws9580 lmao you got annoyed and english is a second language? You sir deserve a pat! *pat, pat*
Im considering attempting to convert my old Toshiba Satellite U205-S5057 to the LattePanda. The old laptop is quite thick and I believe would have plenty of internal space for the L.P. & connectors/adapters.
The variety of SBC/NUC devices out there is pretty cool, but I just hate it when people make stupid comparisons. Like “This is so much better than a Pi 4” while mostly ignoring it costs 8-10x as much. It’s like saying “Wow! This $2500 gaming laptop is so much better than a $300 Chromebook.”
I’m running mine with an eGPU on a big 75 inch sony bravia. So far, I’ve just been downloading games off steam and running those.
I got a mini pc with 7730U (rebadged 5825U, 10-20% lower single thread performance), 2 tb nvme silicon power ssd, and 64 gb crucial ddr4 ram all for $500. This lattepanda which starts at $579 barebones is only worth it if you need the GPIO ports and the superior Xe graphics. Even then, it's stuck at 16GB soldered ram (for me that puts a low limit on the number of Docker containers I could run), but for gaming purposes it should be fine for a few years of use.
Does anyone know if that SATA port can support multiple SATA ports if an expansion SATA daughter board was used? If like to add at least 6 more drivers this this system.
I just did some research. The bandwidth is shared on something like a 1:5 SATA expansion card. You'd be better off using an M.2 expansion with max of 4 drives.
Yah, NAS with 2.5GBe and 2x or 3x 2TB NVMe (now that they are like $60ea) for cache/main storage would be pretty cool.
Wish it was a Celeron 2 core. With 12th/13th IPC 4 E cores honestly would be great for a fileserver if they release such a thing.
I'm thinking of getting rid of my Ryzen 5900x build after getting a laptop with the new 7940HS chip in it.
It's lacking a bit in the MC dept., because it's a 35-45w chip with 8 cores, but the SC performance is excellent.
Hoping for mobile DDR5 support to get better, because that's where the bottleneck is - locked bios with no option to change the timings, limited mobile DDR5 (like SODIMM) offerings that don't come with loose timings. So you end up with 70% of the read and write speeds you'd get on a PC, along with 50% more latency.
It’s crazy, that tiny thing would be perfect for my mom as her main pc, I might have to snag one
Well I didn't wonder but I guess those pc board base on laptop design. Since there a lot popular do to compact design. Plus the old days they were big and heavy.
The PS5 is a single board computer lol
Question guys would this be suitable to set up a mobile e-mail server & media unit.
Currently building a camper an looking at setting it up with net an a few other modcons.
Be grateful for feedback as I'm still looking for a suitable 32" screen as well.
Thank you, great video! Just bought one. Would be great if you make a video using this as a server (NAS, or any other …).
No lie. One of these boards can replace 3 systems that I have. I want to purchase 2 of these. They look so fun.
I would like a measurement of the power usage.
Would be cool to see how many drives you can connect to it using m key adapters to full pci bays and installing sata controllers on them. Seems like a cool way to build a nas
600 USD feels high for a single board computer.
First thing you should do with that SBC is show power draw at the wall. SBCs like this offer support for confined or hostile environments - for example I can envisage that making a good Proxmox server for use onboard a boat. The power draw at the wall - under load, idle and light use (file system movement) is what we need to see for this.
The ability to put *quite* a bit of storage on there in purely solid state form and potentially seal the unit up in a closed but heat-sinked case; that has to be worth something for marine and similar uses. One must be mindful of power draw of course.
just FYI there's plenty of companies that supply low power small computers like this in cases designed for harsh environments, they're pretty common in industry and have been for a long time, normally you run them off a din rail mount UPS and they run off 12-24v DC, with two power inputs. The vast majority I've used ran some flavor of debian. Power draw is minimal, they're designed to weather an outage and run 8-10 hours off the battery alone when AC power is lost. Look to companies like OnLogic or Allen-Bradley for them. They're not exactly cheap but in general most of them will still be functional even if literally everything else around it has blown up.
@@1Raptor85 yes I actually run nine of them (Pi's) running Raspbian and Debian derivatives. The power this thing offers pushes more into a bare metal hypervisor class potentially especially if you pack it with decent NMVe capacity; the impost of concurrently running high store/retrieval and even moderately demanding processing overhead work is plausible. For critical functions such as navigation or systems maintenance I would probably stick with more known systems but anyone who wants to consolidate systems aboard it could be viable if consumption isn't too high and you manage to dissipate those thermals.
@@davocc2405 not really talking about the pi (though onlogic does have a ruggedized pi variant), most of their industrial systems around this size are fairly decent amd or intel, the case is basically a giant heat-sink on this class of computer if you've never seen them., they're pretty commonly used for things like field historians on control systems, so heavy IO/database/etc.
@@1Raptor85 yes I have seen them including some ruggedised and sealed for hostile environments. ARM chip systems with a light OS are often preferable as they are technically simpler with lower overall power consumption. The Pi's have homogenised this previously directionless market, it's an astounding achievement when you think about it.
I'm looking for a new machine to replace my old 3rd gen i7 Win10 "Home Server" with two spinning disks. Maybe this can run Win11 under Proxmox and work fine as a file server, while Proxmox contains can do some more in addition.
Can you run CasaOS with OS & 2 Hard Drives? Like a small NAS.
Good Video ,Being a non gamer i run a NUC 13 I5-1340P with a Kingston KC3000 1TB does all i need it to do ,Dont have a big tower any more.
Hey, there. You mentioned OBS - how you recommend the board in a situation with 4 video outputs (1x 4k/60 the rest doesn't really matter) together with 2 (HDMI (1080 will be perfect) - usb c)inputs... Teams/Zoom call, PowerPoint, CZcams(browser) Spotify, audio/FX/ player (application)...probably few more - running in Linux (for sure). The goal - easy to carry around, easy to setup ...etc. Would love to see this kind of configuration working ... OR аt least hear you opinion about :) Thanks for the video (I enjoyed it)
what is the ergo mouse you are using?
Since the USB C ports support thunderbolt 4 could this work with one of those external GPU docks?
yep
A more appropriate comparison for Geekbench comparison would be against a NUC12 for example, with a i5-1240P it scores above 2/9k easily while costing "only" around 400, adding RAM to that, you are about the same price range as this Panda, with similar performance, making it a better comparison than a 1000$ NUC.
How to add a lot hdd to this one?
Great video, but what's with the audio? It sounds very tinny with very aggressive noise surpression.
Woa. Its wild how this world can change in a couple of years. You can buy it and build our own case and you have your mini pc.
Soldered memory sucks. Looks really cool other than that.
16gb ram ? Bummer
How much is it
There’s now a 32GB option as well. If I buy one of these, I’m going to put it inside my Lian Li PC-Q08A case and use the PSU to power some SATA drives. I would then replace my 3rd gen i7 W10 «Home Server» with Proxmox and assign a 2GB W11 VM those drives to still function as my good old «Home Server» and run other services as Proxmox containers. But is it possible to add more than one SATA drive somehow using the M.2 SATA port…?
USB audio interfaces are usually good with gain, but the overall quality is not stellar. Pro Mics expect you to adjust your audio in OBS, at the Audio interface / sound card, or in post. I hope this helps. Interesting video!
Id like to see you put some real storage on it by using an M.2 to PCIe adapter with some kind of controller card. That thing is small enough to put into a JBOD enclosure and make an inexpensive NAS.
I absolutely adore this board. Just recently I made custme build based on this. lattepanda sigma+ RTX 3060 TI and all beautifully enclosed in vintage radio case. So proud of it. Performance is great and more than enough for most of the games. Really cool board.
Can you run a Graphics card on it ?
@@issacharbryant6606 I run GTX 3060 Ti
@@dadscanplay2 is that the highest can it take a 4090 as well?
@@issacharbryant6606 don't know
Attach a 4090 probably through M.2
The problem w/ these sbc's for virtualization (e.g. proxmox) is the lack of ram. however, containerization would be great on this.
...are you sure about that? Orange pi 5 plus (which is not an x86, but possible for "virtualization" if you get your hands dirty a bit) has up to 16 Gb of ram.
Lattepanda been on my watch list but now I'm looking at the Framework Laptop Marketplace for old mobos xD
Can't blame ya on this one
That is a sweet little board for sure, I would like to see ESXI 7.0 on it if there is hardware support
sadly nope ... it has efficient-cores so not supported by ESXi and also there is no plan to support this cpu layout. So maybe proxmox ... it works, but core allocation is kinda random.
I wish it was supported maybe someday they will, but kind of doubt it ProxMox is very good though!! Great video again!
The performance is absolutely mind blowing for the price.. I recently upgraded my WAN connection to 2/2Gbit which my N5100 router can't handle but this is too powerful for that :P
Would make a pretty nice Tor node
orange pi 5 plus is the greatest bang per buck imao.
A beast CPU like that, could have deserved a 32GB RAM edition as well. But i'm seriously tempted, to buy one or more of these for the lab. :)
It runs on 32bit
Lattepanda already released 32GB version
@@khairahmanplus
Not when I wrote comment. But nice.
@@khairahmanplus nahh
Why the hell would any SBC need more than 16GB of RAM? Lol
The Sigma would be a nice proposition, if only they didn't limit it with 16GB of RAM.
they do have 32gb
The only thing 'wild' about current SBC's are the prices.
I don't really get why anybody would use that. For media purposes, it's a little bit overkill in terms of performance, if used as the semi main PC, no GPU kinda sucks and price lets you assemble something bigger, but more powerful.
A very niche pc for those living in a tight apartment space
Its just a powerful Raspberry Pi. Not for usage as a powerful server.
But the panda retail price is very high in EU.
Awsome little computer. OMG why I ever build 2 not 1 Tower PCs?
Amazing. I'm running an i7-6700 non-K, with a GTX-750-Ti, on Linux Mint. This single board would comfortably stomp my main host + daily driver. That is remarkable.
That said, I am still bothering Santa about a Ryzen 9 8950X with two 32GB DIMMs. For video, I want RDNA, latest generation, lowest end version I can get. (I'm cheap, and Santa doesn't have an AMEX Gold Card.) I'm not a gamer, I play with virtualboxes, and I want a pair of 1080 or one plus a 1440. I believe I could drive that with the on-chip video, but I have some doubts about how reliable and consistent & trouble free that would be ... Preferred OS is Linux Mint + Mate. If it ain't broke ~ don't mess with it.
Dawncraft Minecraft modpack server! I enjoy this modpack, but playing it together with such an awesome community will be better
why would you call it "Single board computer"? This is NOT what Raspberry Pi or Orange Pi are. This is miniPC
The line is quite thin. It's got gpio for connecting sensor modules etc without resorting to USB, which is typically what sets apart high end SBCs from mini PCs like beelink.
would like to see some MODDED Minecraft Server on this. I mean, my phone today could run a vanilla minecraft Server.
But some Modded Minecraft server with like 100h or more playtime on it, THATS where we need single core performance!
What's wrong with your mic?
same I noticed too
That's perfect for an AIO pc
My desktop is a single board computer. SBC's should be for boards powered by usbc or under 20 watts.
I'm holding out for the SBC quantum computer with 1Petabyte Ethernet.
Since there people working together and research done from those guys work in school manage to build those things as well target people. Like those raspberry pi. A lot of people of different area wanted to improve it technologies. Just like tablet it was chucky and later become lighter.
setup some linux distro other than ubuntu
Get Mistral 7B LLM running on it.
Wow, that thing is really expensive compared to an Orange Pi
That's what I call a sigma grind.
Ok, they are nice board, only reason I need got a Lattepanda, they are expensive. You can get get a Beelink cheaper. SBC should be inexpensive. Orange Pi / Radxa are those board.
so whats now difference to a mini pc, its also a single board computer, the cooles i know with the most power is the hg99x from minisforum 😉
No Proxmox, no ESXi, but Kubernetes with Helm, Terraform. Properly configured nodes, namespaces and pods on these nodes. And of course a backup. The only one thing here is poor - only 16 GB of RAM. In such solutions like this one, Raspberry etc. noone thought about at least four or six slots for RAM. Or eventually some additional board only for RAM slots with some PCI express connection between a main board and RAM board. Then having for example 256 GB of RAM and four NvMe drives is something that you can use as a real server with backup. No more huge racks in data centers, less power consumption. This is the future imho. The equipment should take less space. The only one problem here is the fan solution if you care about cooling. I am wondering is it possible to remove the cover and connect some water cooling system. I have built water cooling for Raspberry Pi 4b, based on solution from CZcams for CM4, so I suppose that this is possible in this case. I think it is time to gather money for this piece of art.
What's about FreeBSD? Anyway, it's too expensive.
While this is an interesting board, imagine my disappointment when I found out it was of more recent vintage. I have two single board computers I bought solely for recreational purposes:
an SC126 that I bought as a kit during the Covid lockdowns as a means to keep my hand in, and a RetroMax that I bought just for the fun of it. Those are more my speed.
This thing is neat, but I don't see myself getting anything like this in the near future. I wish you and your channel well. (This is the first video of yours I've seen.)
Run meshroom on it. 😈😈😈
2.5 should be the standard?
Bullshit, if something we need to become standard on those things is ECC.. framework embarrassed theirself when they announced the new platform on their highend laptops won’t have although the cpu does.
Still waiting for sfp+ ports and ecc on these. Why put all these m.2 and pair with 2.5Gbe? Beyond me.
I hope in the near Future will this be possible with the RISC-Revolution ......
Lahtay, like the drink
"script or something" i laughed hard :v
printer server?
You should talk about the minisforum em680. It is 1/4 of a liter and still manages to have a mobile Ryzen 9 processor, lpddr5, and graphics comparable to the steam deck.
Yeah, on the first look it seems even more powerfull... just not 2 ethernetports.
@@gelanghaarteweile3048 That is a downslide due to its extremely small size but the USB ports can carry signals with an adapter.
it is great and i want one.. but... isnt that little bit kinda overpriced af? i mean its a cpu and a board
you mentioned fps for fall guys but not for CSGO?!
I love how you response to people. Please review Protectli VP2420. That thing can do anything and would be really useful for perpetual traveler like me or any home user with small spaces.
Professional music microphones are near-field devices. So are the ones used in radio broadcasting, podcasting and voice recording. If your sound source is more than 10 cm away, you're recording all room ambiance, not the source. You record sound with these microphones (usually super-cardioid) as close to the source as possible. They have that pickup pattern to eliminate room and secondary adjacent sound sources.
If you speak on video, use a shotgun (directional) or lapel/lavelier/clip-on mic.
I have no idea why people on yt don't understand this, and it annoys me to no end watching somebody shuffling around in their seats bobbing in and out (mostly completely out) of range of the sm7b mounted on a boom arm. Or pushing and pulling on the arm continuously, failing miserably to get in range to sound well. You are not a radio host, radio hosts (used to) learn to keep their lips close to the mic - and that does not work for talking head videos at all.
The SBC: 🗿
So it is a single board computer but with x86 architecture? I ask because it’s an intel processor
I dont think it is economical to buy this sbc at that price point. Just as Jeff Geering said "if you hit the $100 price point, you're competing with mini PCs. And once you hit $300 price point, you can buy a ryzen pc", although yes it is compact and small, well so does a mini pc, so I dont see the point in buying this other than to brag in home server forums....
I think you should use it to OVERTHROW ZEE VURLD!!!!!!
16 GB makes it useless for so many things. Bad choice to lock down ram.
This kind of thing is way out of my budget, still while the thing is cool the repairability is zero
for proxmox, I don't think 16gb of ram is good enough, and it's also WAAAAY too expensive. $580 buys you the base unit which has the board itself, the cpu, and memory onboard, no wifi, no storage. (please note, i'm totally ok with a lower tier without storage or onboard wifi, I just think that's WAAAY too much money for an SBC. this thing should be ~$250 MAX.
What am I missing here? Why does everyone keep lamenting about only 16GB of RAM? This is a SBC for eff sake
@@redpillsatori3020 for a typical SBC 16gb is ok, but people are touting it for use with proxmox (which requires enough ram to run each of your vms so it would be very limited, you'd want to reserve about 4gb for the hypervisor os, but then desktop os's are like 8gb minimum for a windows or an ubuntu or whatever so there isn't much ram to go around for that particular purpose. For a linux file server 16 is probably fine for one or two drives and raid1 or something, and it's still great for typical sbc server tasks (like running klipper for a 3d printer or running a bunch of smaller docker containers, or being a light weight home webserver or home automation server or whatever. just stop saying it's good for virtualization because you'd want at least 64gb of ram for that.
Install unraid on it and set it up for everything hehe
I wonder if Opnsense firewall would install and run .. HUMMM!!!
Why has the microphone quality been dropping over the past 2 weeks?
I've been having issues with my equipment. Working on it.
So, a butt load of expandable memory, but soldered RAM? Boo, no thanks
It's a single board computer...