GDlauncher from pi-apps. try out fabulously optimized modpack. hopefully this board has any opengl drivers. does it use mesa with panfrost or proprietary drivers (glxinfo)? reposted because CZcams is deleting my comments...
I definitely want to see this chip turned into an Android car stereo, with the right screen and the right amplifier. I know it may sound overkill, but when you're using the maps app, spotify, car park cameras and other stuff, many "cheap" devices may let you down, crash apps, get slow... I would love to build one myself, but there are few singleboards that run android natively.
I have a Teyes cc3 clone and they sent me the 4gb ram version instead of 6 and it can get bogged down. This would be cool. I want to see a 21700 powered phone or tablet with this that could be used as an Android head unit
Khadas badly needs to put in the work on keeping their website, documentation and downloads/images up to date. Really let's the excellent hardware down.
I'd love to see this thing put into a retro handheld. Mostly curious to see how the port management on the case would be handled as well as getting air into the device for cooling.
Dude there are so many small factor PCs that are getting better and better. I've been looking for an arm based sbc to hopefully make a mini retro all in one system.
@@linuxization4205 Power consumption concerns. Its easier and more efficient to use an ARM based system than X86 for an all in one. Sure I could get better performance, but I am not made of money.
@@linuxization4205 I can see your question though. Its completely valid. Why use an ARM based system when there are more powerful systems that can do it better? I am just looking out for my power bill since I would actually use it a lot. I game on my PC a lot, but I dont really need a top of the line PC when I can use a cheap system like this for emulation. Especially if it can do PS2 emulation. I could have my PC shut down and only use a fraction of the wattage.
@@linuxization4205 Its also about form factor as well. I like to keep things very small and tightly compact since I lived in my own room for the longest time with no other place to myself to keep my electronics. I've learned to compact and organize things. A small form factor like this would make it easy to hide and cable manage on a TV or under a Desk.
@@3v068 You can buy e.g. Dell Wyse 5070 that eats less power than RPI4. I was also thinking about ARM pc's for homelab, but end up with 5 mentioned mini pc's, getting more performance for lower cost
fat chance. RPi still uses 4x A53 cores and the VC6 GPU barely improved over VC4 and don't mention how finnicky to get video acceleration running without customised Chromium/Firefox builds. Even if it works, there's still dropped frames. RPi's are cheap for a reason
300 dollar on their website... not even comparable with a pi considering the -price.( the 8Gb is 200 dollar which makes that one cheaper than the ShieldTV !)
I mean it kind if is... pi4 is quad core.. so this having 8 cores..... this is like 2 pis stuck together.. pi 4 8gb is 75.. so two of them 150.. this is faster too without being overclocked.. and has 64gb of emmc...
I see also the price as the biggest hindrance. You cannot just take the board you also have to add the cooler and a case - that puts an additional price-tag to it.
I would love to see something like this but with more ports (like 2.5g eth, pcie 4x slot, etc, all of these are supported by that chip). Video drivers are kind of a big thing here, currently we don't have great drivers that really take advantage of that gpu. It took a long time for the RK3399 to get proper open source drivers working, this is going to take quite some time as well IMO. Maybe next year we get improvements and better boards with more I/O
Yeah the datasheet says the chip has 4 pcie lanes. But they have implemented them. Also can take ddr5 but they've gone with ddr4, and slow ddr4 at that.
@@marcusk7855 oh you are right, forgot that part. Maybe we don't see them with ddr5 yet because support is iffy and only works on dram that isn't really available right now with current supply chain issues. (i'm just guessing)
The current issue with all RK3588s based boards is that they’re limited to using the Android aimed branched kernel that RockChip maintain that is (as far as I know) way behind mainline. This limits support for things like Vulkan and less optimised OpenGL support. Luckily it seems mainline is having support added, which will open the door for way better distributions.
Can't be too far behind if it's running 22.04. You can't use an ancient kernel with the latest & greatest Ubuntu packages/libraries/etc., because eventually you'll run into issues, like some library uses some feature that doesn't exist in such an old kernel. EDIT: As for OGL and Vulkan. As long as the drivers are up to date an older kernel shouldn't matter. I'm guessing RockChip writes the driver. Really depends when they're updated for the performance of those things. If the driver is just as old as the kernel then yeah, might get annoying that you're behind. But if the driver is pretty modern, just on an old kernel? Still sounds like a good deal.
@@MrSlowestD16 They have, AFAIK, merged updates and patches, so it's technically not that far behind, but means it's also not entirely "up to date", and being closed source means it's a gamble as to what may or may not be there and work. Its annoying, I wish they'd just push their stuff to mainline, but seems there's a dedicated group of people doing it for them so it'll get there.
The PS2 emu was impressive 😮 can we possibly see Redream premium running and see how high the open gL will comfortably upscale things like Daytona USA, Sega Rally, MSR, Dead or Alive 2, the house of the dead 2 etc
I've been waiting for a good look at this one. I REALLY wished it had a MicroSD slot. I was all set to preorder the Pro model until I noticed no MicroSD slot. Now, I'll think on it a while. I would be buying the model with case. I need to see a review with the new case before I buy at all.
I mean...power would be a real issue, it'd require a hefty battery and you probably wouldn't get great battery life. Might be on par w/ the Steam Deck. Honestly though, by time you spend money and time on materials, a 3D printed shell, a screen, controls etc you'd probably be better off just buying an entry level Steam Deck.
🤔ETA... man i gotta say this to you. This is definitely one of my favorite tech channels because you not only have tutorials on things to learn and I'm actually actively learning some more new things from you but there is no elitism you don't scoff you don't shame like other channels. They just seem to have an attitude. Yours is very welcoming and I enjoy your content. Sub for life. P.S. many people have officially lost the ability to play retail retroarch mode on the series consoles I am unfortunately a casualty after I did have it up and running and I was resetting some stuff and realized I couldn't get back in this little device here definitely gets my gears turning on a little device I can carry with me and blow up on a TV if I want. I'm also new to emulation in a complicated lane. Vs simple stuff in the past. I have no prior smarts or schooling on computing or really knowing the ins and outs of everything but I am learning. For a noob I'm greatful for this space ❤
This is so cool. I could imagine it carrying around together with my iPad Pro and the Magic Keyboard. I mainly use it for reading papers and writing assignments, but now I can do some coding on the go with it.
Very nice SBC, however, compared to the Pi, the price is more in line with a low cost small form factor desktop x86. I do like the direction manufacturers are headed. Good video.
For 170$ it seems great. I could see myself 3D modeling on Blender, playing PS2 games, browsing the internet, watching movies & shows on this thing. Can be easily powered by a small solar panel alongside a small 12v freezer. Yea its nice! ..45W for the freezer, 25W for a laptop version of this Khadas waaaa
As someone who has been wanting to make an emulation handheld out of a switch lite, this sounds perfect, super thin, super powerful, display connections, this could be very interesting
I feel like how amazing this is is completely going over people's heads. I wanna print an og nds housing for this badboy slap an irblaster on it and have a dope retro gaming web browsing remote control
Thank God they are starting to put proper installers on these things. The whole weird iso image processes that for some weird reason has become the standard is such a pain.
Once upon a time, everyone gave you disks, and on these discs were the installers of your operating systems. But then one day we all decided those discs were too big, took up too much space and were too slow, and it was cumbersome to buy more expensive disks, and burn them all the time. So we turned to USB and flash, But we needed something to be compatible with both, ISOs are the result.
Knowing how much you love small form factor and modern versions of single board computers would you be interested in doing a build using ISA, VL Bus, and PCI Intel and AMD based single board computers? Those will run DOS, Linux, Windows right out of the box. Plus you can connect them to passive back planes with up to 20 expansion slots on the board. Add any number of HDDs, SSDs, optical drives, expansion cards, etc.
I'd like to see this board in a laptop like device, not a tablet, a proper laptop with keyboard and stuff for google docs and multimedia, with a big ass battery.
I'd love to see a full emulation video on Ubuntu for this. I hate Android for emu boxes because there's inevitably going to be some config tweaks required and it's just a lot easier to crack open a terminal and have full filesystem access and no ro partitions or sandboxing or anything of that nature. The tweaking is a lot easier on a normal Linux desktop, IMO. But generally out-of-the-box Android performance is better, so there's that... But that PS2 perf is quite nice. Curious how something like this would stack up against the Jetson Nano - you have one of those, don't you? The Jetson Nano isn't well supported anymore since the next revision is coming out next year.
You should do a video with the RK3588s boards that have an m.2 slot using an epgu. Linux has amdgpu support on arm and 6.2 added a lot of arm support for RDNA3 chips.
This would be a perfect phone if i could connect a 6" mipi touch display easily. Just wrap the battery+khadas pack in a silicone rubber band like the iphone aluminium frame.
Another 300 dollar SBC (see their website) but with 16 Gb ram it's better value than some other RK3588S. Edit : the other one with 8Gb is 200 dollar. Still not near the prices that the Pi's were
Need this to replace a flaky Nvidia shield or 2 looks amazing. Are these like the other SBC's and don't actually exist to consumers seen a few that looked really promising but none were actually available for purchase.
This seems great from a 'techie' standpoint, but I don't really understand the market they expect to target this at. As some noted, if you need a small form-factor desktop, you can get much more powerful x86-based systems with better integrated graphics for the same price. It's also going to provide a lot more versatility and better support than an ARM-based platform. Maybe this will be more efficient; but if it's about saving pennies, there isn't really a value proposition there. Very few people really wanting a true ARM-based SBC desktop replacement, when they realize they also need to make a lot of sacrifices to do it. If I were to buy this, it's because I had cash burning a hole in my pocket and just wanted to play around with it. There are better small form-factor, low power options with greater performance, versatility, and support than this for the price. I bought a Pi4 because it was reasonably inexpensive and is a lot of fun to play with for the price. This, I just can't see myself buying. ARM, even a powerful one with lots of memory, really needs to be at a discount to X86 based options to really be considered for desktop use cases. This isn't. Even for media playback including transcoding, x86 is still likely to be a better option.
looks solid for all rounder android tv box. if google drops the aging ADT-3, this seems the best candidate to replace it particularly because of its decoding capabilities and HDR
Such long time I'm waiting to get rk3588 based board (rock5B just keep being delayed). I would have jump into this one if it had provided a bit more I/O like M.2 ports: - one for adding NVMe because onboard storage is very small (32GB or 64GB): how do you manage to use as main desktop PC with that storage? - Ideally another M.2 ports for adding 4G modem and make it server + router desktop mini pc Hopefully more models should be available soon...
@@jhyog yeah had considered that one too. I probably dismissed because of slightly higher price ( 290$ vs 220$ in 16GB or 170$ in 8GB) and also powered from jack instead of USB-C. otherwise still a good alternative if not willing to wait for rock5b release.
This seems like a pretty cool product. My main issue with it is the three camera connectors. Connecting 3 cameras to such a device is going to be pretty niche. If one of these connection points could have been hooked up to run a screen that would have been far more usefull.
Surprisingly this has no option to load ChromeOS yet, in my opinion the best option for daily use. You could build your own laptop with this in a custom form-factor easily. But as a desktop, yes with plenty of storage and an absolutely stunning board. drop-out-free Playback of 1080p content is mainly thanks to drivers and the OS. So it is either Windows 10 Pro or ChromeOS 110.
Hey! Ive been looking into buying one of these but find it hard to find more in-depth reviews of gaming/emulation. Was hoping that you could do an in-depth test of it. Cheers!
The GPU is good enough for this one. It can go head to head with adreno ones. But having more apps and games to use those high ram capacity and power is a must. Arm Linux gets the least love. Windows gets the most games and android and iOS is not far behind but rarely do we see native Linux ports let alone arm Linux ones. Tell me one app that uses this to it's full power and its not open source and a benchmarking tool.
Hardware video decode on Arm SBC's via Linux does not use the same API's as x86 systems do, its not a trivial thing to implement and far away from being to the point were you install a web browser and it just plays everything in CZcams, that it can at least do 1080p via CPU software decoding is impressive.
Really love your reviews and overviews on arm based small form factor PCs and those devices android operating systems. Awesome specs within small form factor, 'which is pretty awesome!' @ETA PRIME
I wish they didn't immadietely drop support for previous SBCs when new releases, vim3 still is close to vim4 for example and basically had no releases for months as focus shifted to vim4
What apps and games do you want to see running on this in the next video?
emulation of course!
I wonder if the android version have Google play support
apex legends and your personal favorite android apps
Can you run Batocera on it?
GDlauncher from pi-apps. try out fabulously optimized modpack. hopefully this board has any opengl drivers. does it use mesa with panfrost or proprietary drivers (glxinfo)?
reposted because CZcams is deleting my comments...
I definitely want to see this chip turned into an Android car stereo, with the right screen and the right amplifier. I know it may sound overkill, but when you're using the maps app, spotify, car park cameras and other stuff, many "cheap" devices may let you down, crash apps, get slow... I would love to build one myself, but there are few singleboards that run android natively.
This would be awesome with t'eyes CC3 or Ownice k7 firmware
This thing could do it I bet! It already has the cammera connectors so... find a good frame that fits and get making? ;)
I have a Teyes cc3 clone and they sent me the 4gb ram version instead of 6 and it can get bogged down. This would be cool. I want to see a 21700 powered phone or tablet with this that could be used as an Android head unit
@@h8h81 what is the clone called??
@@garystinten9339 hengcheng pro s9. Not Teyes firmware just fyt uis7862
Is it just me, or is everything you review the most powerful X ever?
I literally commented the same lol. Everything in this channel is THE MOST POWERFUL w e thing he's promoting
It’s called clickbait marketing, CZcams suggests it to all monetized content creators to increase view count.
Really though, it’s just marketing period.
That tends to be how technology moves forward
@Torvaltz what's the fastest chip for consumers?
Khadas badly needs to put in the work on keeping their website, documentation and downloads/images up to date. Really let's the excellent hardware down.
China do be like that
@@r3d2aku At least their handhelds are good
@@r3d2aku lol sometimes it be like that 😂
@@r3d2aku indeed
I was gonna ask what the community was like for these boards. At $300 its a hard sell without substantial support.
Given that the board has an NPU (6 TOPS, my guess 8-bit) the main use is probably for running neural networks, AI
Bingo
I'd love to see this thing put into a retro handheld. Mostly curious to see how the port management on the case would be handled as well as getting air into the device for cooling.
For $200 you can get a decent x86 system. And you’re approaching the panda boards in price.
I am seeing a price of $299 on Amazon. It´s a nice board, but I can get a Ryzen Mini PC with APU for that price, which is way stronger.
I saw it for $299 also. I might get it if it was $179 like someone else commented. But I think they were mistaken.
@@michaelhaas7313 There seems to be a 200 dollar version also with 8 Gb
Dude there are so many small factor PCs that are getting better and better. I've been looking for an arm based sbc to hopefully make a mini retro all in one system.
i really don't understand why you need ARM specifically
@@linuxization4205 Power consumption concerns. Its easier and more efficient to use an ARM based system than X86 for an all in one. Sure I could get better performance, but I am not made of money.
@@linuxization4205 I can see your question though. Its completely valid. Why use an ARM based system when there are more powerful systems that can do it better? I am just looking out for my power bill since I would actually use it a lot. I game on my PC a lot, but I dont really need a top of the line PC when I can use a cheap system like this for emulation. Especially if it can do PS2 emulation. I could have my PC shut down and only use a fraction of the wattage.
@@linuxization4205 Its also about form factor as well. I like to keep things very small and tightly compact since I lived in my own room for the longest time with no other place to myself to keep my electronics. I've learned to compact and organize things. A small form factor like this would make it easy to hide and cable manage on a TV or under a Desk.
@@3v068 You can buy e.g. Dell Wyse 5070 that eats less power than RPI4.
I was also thinking about ARM pc's for homelab, but end up with 5 mentioned mini pc's, getting more performance for lower cost
If the price was a bit more in line with a pi this would make an awesome little retro console
fat chance. RPi still uses 4x A53 cores and the VC6 GPU barely improved over VC4 and don't mention how finnicky to get video acceleration running without customised Chromium/Firefox builds. Even if it works, there's still dropped frames. RPi's are cheap for a reason
300 dollar on their website... not even comparable with a pi considering the -price.( the 8Gb is 200 dollar which makes that one cheaper than the ShieldTV !)
I mean it kind if is... pi4 is quad core.. so this having 8 cores..... this is like 2 pis stuck together.. pi 4 8gb is 75.. so two of them 150.. this is faster too without being overclocked.. and has 64gb of emmc...
I see also the price as the biggest hindrance. You cannot just take the board you also have to add the cooler and a case - that puts an additional price-tag to it.
@@tomokig2655 What is the estimated price, exactly? Do u know?
I would love to see something like this but with more ports (like 2.5g eth, pcie 4x slot, etc, all of these are supported by that chip).
Video drivers are kind of a big thing here, currently we don't have great drivers that really take advantage of that gpu. It took a long time for the RK3399 to get proper open source drivers working, this is going to take quite some time as well IMO. Maybe next year we get improvements and better boards with more I/O
Yeah the datasheet says the chip has 4 pcie lanes. But they have implemented them. Also can take ddr5 but they've gone with ddr4, and slow ddr4 at that.
@@marcusk7855 oh you are right, forgot that part. Maybe we don't see them with ddr5 yet because support is iffy and only works on dram that isn't really available right now with current supply chain issues. (i'm just guessing)
@@ezforsaken just saw the Rockpi 5 says it'll have the same chip with 2 x M.2(M & E keys) and ram @ 4.2Ghz so I'll hold out for that.
The current issue with all RK3588s based boards is that they’re limited to using the Android aimed branched kernel that RockChip maintain that is (as far as I know) way behind mainline. This limits support for things like Vulkan and less optimised OpenGL support. Luckily it seems mainline is having support added, which will open the door for way better distributions.
Can't be too far behind if it's running 22.04. You can't use an ancient kernel with the latest & greatest Ubuntu packages/libraries/etc., because eventually you'll run into issues, like some library uses some feature that doesn't exist in such an old kernel.
EDIT:
As for OGL and Vulkan. As long as the drivers are up to date an older kernel shouldn't matter. I'm guessing RockChip writes the driver. Really depends when they're updated for the performance of those things. If the driver is just as old as the kernel then yeah, might get annoying that you're behind. But if the driver is pretty modern, just on an old kernel? Still sounds like a good deal.
@@MrSlowestD16 They have, AFAIK, merged updates and patches, so it's technically not that far behind, but means it's also not entirely "up to date", and being closed source means it's a gamble as to what may or may not be there and work. Its annoying, I wish they'd just push their stuff to mainline, but seems there's a dedicated group of people doing it for them so it'll get there.
Do remember, all the the BSDs work great on the 3399 :) We got the real kernel on our download page.
The PS2 emu was impressive 😮 can we possibly see Redream premium running and see how high the open gL will comfortably upscale things like Daytona USA, Sega Rally, MSR, Dead or Alive 2, the house of the dead 2 etc
I'm very interested in buying a few of these. I'll need to look into the specs but power consumption and video processing are critical to my projects.
I will test total power consumption in the next video.
@@bulletpunch9317 - Probably not because it needs to be portable and run off a battery.
@@bulletpunch9317 - There's a possibility but I'm not sure I want to pay for the privilege of having Apple ARM silicon.
@@ETAPRIME Great!
This SBC is almost perfect. The only thing that's missing is the M.2 slot. 😯
This. I want M.2 minimum on my next SBC.
kind of insane though the performance. all they need is more IO like nvme and better usb-c
even sd support would have been nice
Mekotronics R58x ? Ive installed a Samsung 980 Pro in it and it works great
It's awesome to see how fast it all go's with new single board pc's.
Buddy... This SoC was announced over 4 years ago 🙄
I'd love a sbc that can multimonitor, and run Jellyfin. And to know how many 1080p jellyfin streams it could support.
I've been waiting for a good look at this one. I REALLY wished it had a MicroSD slot. I was all set to preorder the Pro model until I noticed no MicroSD slot.
Now, I'll think on it a while. I would be buying the model with case. I need to see a review with the new case before I buy at all.
Khadas is mostly for commercial applications like touch screens. All their board are customizable. They are big in the design of kiosks etc.
You think you could build a handheld console using this? I mean, it is a great performer, and knowing it is arm based SBC might give a real shot at it
I mean...power would be a real issue, it'd require a hefty battery and you probably wouldn't get great battery life. Might be on par w/ the Steam Deck. Honestly though, by time you spend money and time on materials, a 3D printed shell, a screen, controls etc you'd probably be better off just buying an entry level Steam Deck.
@@FamousWolfe yeah, but it could be a fun project to do😅
I am just waiting for someone to make a laptop with this board.
The technology of these boards is evolving rapidly.
I can just sit here and listen to ETA PRIME saying OOWOW all day.. LOL
🤔ETA... man i gotta say this to you. This is definitely one of my favorite tech channels because you not only have tutorials on things to learn and I'm actually actively learning some more new things from you but there is no elitism you don't scoff you don't shame like other channels. They just seem to have an attitude. Yours is very welcoming and I enjoy your content. Sub for life.
P.S. many people have officially lost the ability to play retail retroarch mode on the series consoles I am unfortunately a casualty after I did have it up and running and I was resetting some stuff and realized I couldn't get back in this little device here definitely gets my gears turning on a little device I can carry with me and blow up on a TV if I want.
I'm also new to emulation in a complicated lane. Vs simple stuff in the past. I have no prior smarts or schooling on computing or really knowing the ins and outs of everything but I am learning. For a noob I'm greatful for this space ❤
Agree; alt mode on that type c port would make this perfect
This is so cool. I could imagine it carrying around together with my iPad Pro and the Magic Keyboard. I mainly use it for reading papers and writing assignments, but now I can do some coding on the go with it.
Very nice SBC, however, compared to the Pi, the price is more in line with a low cost small form factor desktop x86. I do like the direction manufacturers are headed. Good video.
Please do geekbench test.
This lady made our dinner awkward.. ahh good times. but seriously this sbc looks awesome, now i want one.
Imagine this power in a portable and affordable device.
holy crap thats fast the loading is insane
Currently using a pi4 8gb as a home desktop, this board would be an awesome upgrade.
I can feel how happy you are because of the update.
For 170$ it seems great. I could see myself 3D modeling on Blender, playing PS2 games, browsing the internet, watching movies & shows on this thing. Can be easily powered by a small solar panel alongside a small 12v freezer. Yea its nice! ..45W for the freezer, 25W for a laptop version of this Khadas waaaa
As someone who has been wanting to make an emulation handheld out of a switch lite, this sounds perfect, super thin, super powerful, display connections, this could be very interesting
And because most of the Io is on one side of the board, I could also create a dock for it to make it even more similar to the switch
damn this thing opened up that web browser quicker than my full on gaming pc lol
I would have loved a 2.5Gbps lan on this. Thus turning it into a monster home server.
The possibilities for personal use on the go for this type of product niche is almost limitless.
Well, Boards with a LAN connector seem to be available as well, like i see in your link, as aaaalways, great review 😀
The whole Ethernet think really killed this board for things like a reliable cluster
That board is so Cool thank you for all your reviews !
I feel like how amazing this is is completely going over people's heads. I wanna print an og nds housing for this badboy slap an irblaster on it and have a dope retro gaming web browsing remote control
this would work so good for a standalone VR headset
I'm putting this in a project, a Linux Console I'm building... It's perfect!
They also make the tone and tone 2 which are both top tier dacs
Could you please made a poll if people would be interested in Plex server test in you reviews? Appreciate your work so far!
This just screams.....make me into a handheld! This and a small battery management board for a battery, a display and controls...boom awesome!
The problem with 4 and 8 k probably is that YT uses av1 here.. maybe you can get 4K videos in h.265 I guess they have a hw decoder for the latter
Thank God they are starting to put proper installers on these things. The whole weird iso image processes that for some weird reason has become the standard is such a pain.
Once upon a time, everyone gave you disks, and on these discs were the installers of your operating systems. But then one day we all decided those discs were too big, took up too much space and were too slow, and it was cumbersome to buy more expensive disks, and burn them all the time. So we turned to USB and flash, But we needed something to be compatible with both, ISOs are the result.
Knowing how much you love small form factor and modern versions of single board computers would you be interested in doing a build using ISA, VL Bus, and PCI Intel and AMD based single board computers? Those will run DOS, Linux, Windows right out of the box. Plus you can connect them to passive back planes with up to 20 expansion slots on the board. Add any number of HDDs, SSDs, optical drives, expansion cards, etc.
I'd like to see this board in a laptop like device, not a tablet, a proper laptop with keyboard and stuff for google docs and multimedia, with a big ass battery.
I'd love to see a full emulation video on Ubuntu for this. I hate Android for emu boxes because there's inevitably going to be some config tweaks required and it's just a lot easier to crack open a terminal and have full filesystem access and no ro partitions or sandboxing or anything of that nature. The tweaking is a lot easier on a normal Linux desktop, IMO. But generally out-of-the-box Android performance is better, so there's that... But that PS2 perf is quite nice.
Curious how something like this would stack up against the Jetson Nano - you have one of those, don't you? The Jetson Nano isn't well supported anymore since the next revision is coming out next year.
You should do a video with the RK3588s boards that have an m.2 slot using an epgu. Linux has amdgpu support on arm and 6.2 added a lot of arm support for RDNA3 chips.
This would be a perfect phone if i could connect a 6" mipi touch display easily. Just wrap the battery+khadas pack in a silicone rubber band like the iphone aluminium frame.
BIOS Tetris?!? We have peaked
This is what I want for a laptop.
Oooohh this thing looks dope. Might have to try to snag one of these.
That thing is a damn credit card!
wat, this is an entire pc :0
Another 300 dollar SBC (see their website) but with 16 Gb ram it's better value than some other RK3588S. Edit : the other one with 8Gb is 200 dollar. Still not near the prices that the Pi's were
For the price point and features Its a grate board!!! I will be buying one soon.
I'd love to see a Tilt Five run on one of these SBCs
Need this to replace a flaky Nvidia shield or 2 looks amazing.
Are these like the other SBC's and don't actually exist to consumers seen a few that looked really promising but none were actually available for purchase.
Hi, You can buy it on our store or amazon store.
For the price on Amazon, really wish it came with a case and power adapter. Maybe it's just me.
it would be fun to see it to use in an emulation station for retro gaming .
Firmware that reaches out to the internet. Thats gonna be a no for me.
Looks like a basic linux system running from internal flash (SPI flash chip or something like that)
Britec09 played Chains of Olympus on it. I was like wuuut 😳
Great Engine for a Media-PC
LOOKS GREAT THANKS 👍
Please also test DAW like Cubasis 3 or Roland Zenbeats on Android for music production. As I'm seeing integrating this to my midi controller.
Nice demonstration, thanks.
Damn, I bet this thing can actually play 3D games, like Xonotic etc.
Babe wake up,a new Raspberry Pi competitor just dropped.
i would love to see this running batocera
impressive little thing. can't wait to see android running
This seems great from a 'techie' standpoint, but I don't really understand the market they expect to target this at. As some noted, if you need a small form-factor desktop, you can get much more powerful x86-based systems with better integrated graphics for the same price. It's also going to provide a lot more versatility and better support than an ARM-based platform. Maybe this will be more efficient; but if it's about saving pennies, there isn't really a value proposition there. Very few people really wanting a true ARM-based SBC desktop replacement, when they realize they also need to make a lot of sacrifices to do it. If I were to buy this, it's because I had cash burning a hole in my pocket and just wanted to play around with it. There are better small form-factor, low power options with greater performance, versatility, and support than this for the price. I bought a Pi4 because it was reasonably inexpensive and is a lot of fun to play with for the price. This, I just can't see myself buying. ARM, even a powerful one with lots of memory, really needs to be at a discount to X86 based options to really be considered for desktop use cases. This isn't. Even for media playback including transcoding, x86 is still likely to be a better option.
RockChip RK3588S's 8-core 64-bit has a 4×Cortex-A76 and 4×Cortex-A55 layout.
looks solid for all rounder android tv box. if google drops the aging ADT-3, this seems the best candidate to replace it particularly because of its decoding capabilities and HDR
I'm happy to see that S version of RK3588 only cuts I/O, not performance at all.
SBC is actually crazy these days, I'm gobsmacked..
I'm old but try to keep tech savvy. This is amazing. My guess is you could get an adapter to add an SSD and video card.
This monster costs $300. Sorry I cannot effort it.
hey ETA. great video. really appreciate all of them. I'm from Trinidad. can you recommend a good display for this board. glad it you can
Such long time I'm waiting to get rk3588 based board (rock5B just keep being delayed).
I would have jump into this one if it had provided a bit more I/O like M.2 ports:
- one for adding NVMe because onboard storage is very small (32GB or 64GB): how do you manage to use as main desktop PC with that storage?
- Ideally another M.2 ports for adding 4G modem and make it server + router desktop mini pc
Hopefully more models should be available soon...
Youve probably considered a Mekotronics R58x. Why noy buy that?
@@jhyog yeah had considered that one too. I probably dismissed because of slightly higher price ( 290$ vs 220$ in 16GB or 170$ in 8GB) and also powered from jack instead of USB-C. otherwise still a good alternative if not willing to wait for rock5b release.
Why haven't we seen a pie pro, I'd like something that uses the same Apu but upgrades ports, and upgrades the power intake.
This seems like a pretty cool product. My main issue with it is the three camera connectors. Connecting 3 cameras to such a device is going to be pretty niche. If one of these connection points could have been hooked up to run a screen that would have been far more usefull.
Dude it's a surveillance board reference design. You don't need screens on those
I’d love to see an ARM hackintosh, this seems to have about as much power as the m1
Waiting for more cool devices based on RK3588
this soc is sooo good ! I mean, it's no more 5 years old
If be happy to get my hands on a pi 4 again
Can you show benchmarks comparing this board with an intel i3?.
Surprisingly this has no option to load ChromeOS yet, in my opinion the best option for daily use. You could build your own laptop with this in a custom form-factor easily. But as a desktop, yes with plenty of storage and an absolutely stunning board. drop-out-free Playback of 1080p content is mainly thanks to drivers and the OS. So it is either Windows 10 Pro or ChromeOS 110.
Hey! Ive been looking into buying one of these but find it hard to find more in-depth reviews of gaming/emulation. Was hoping that you could do an in-depth test of it. Cheers!
comparison of benchmarks to nvidia sheild when running android would be good
Seeing new cores and high ram capacity getting implemented is great but we really need a solid gpu core.
The GPU is good enough for this one. It can go head to head with adreno ones. But having more apps and games to use those high ram capacity and power is a must. Arm Linux gets the least love. Windows gets the most games and android and iOS is not far behind but rarely do we see native Linux ports let alone arm Linux ones. Tell me one app that uses this to it's full power and its not open source and a benchmarking tool.
I would love to see any version of Mac OS M1 running in a virtual machine or bare metal on this SBC!
That would upset a lot of people, I'm all for it.
Hardware video decode on Arm SBC's via Linux does not use the same API's as x86 systems do, its not a trivial thing to implement and far away from being to the point were you install a web browser and it just plays everything in CZcams, that it can at least do 1080p via CPU software decoding is impressive.
I haven't purchased anything he promotes yet because each video its always the most powerful item yet
Really love your reviews and overviews on arm based small form factor PCs and those devices android operating systems. Awesome specs within small form factor, 'which is pretty awesome!'
@ETA PRIME
Everything is THE MOST POWERFUL in this channel holy shit...
Clickbait-y video titles? Yes. Does it work? Also yes. Let ETA grow his audience the way he wants to, nobody is forcing you to stay here.
That's the thing guy. Everything technology becomes more powerful in time.
I wish they didn't immadietely drop support for previous SBCs when new releases, vim3 still is close to vim4 for example and basically had no releases for months as focus shifted to vim4
Awesome
Would you please share keyboard details which you are using its attractive and compact