Got a brand new heritage in 2008 what a drama then in 2014 I got a brand new indian vintage joy from day one when you pay that much money you don't want drama and I thank Harley for the drama so I looked elsewhere and indian was like a reborn smile on my face. What ever you ride if it makes you happy that's what you want but it wasn't Harley but indian for me
I went with a scout bobber twenty 2 years ago and i haven't looked back. the speed power, not to mention it stands out due to not everyone having the same bike as me on the road
Harley and Indian are both fantastic in their own separate ways. I prefer older Harley motorcycles hence why I own a 1959 XLCH; however, I prefer the Polaris-guided Indian offerings over the past few resurgences that Indian went through after going belly up in the 1950s. I am not knocking either brand and still enjoy them both but I think that Indian bikes have a more modern and sportier design cue; whereas, Harley body lines haven't really changed much over the years. I think that while Indian does nod to the vintage bikes in some of its body lines and the look of the Thunderstroke engines in the big cruisers they still have a more modern flair to them and well the FTR is just wicked for a factory naked street-fighter/scrambler type unit. Harley needs to do a naked version of the Pan America so that they have something to rival the FTR because the Sportster S is not even close to being in the same league. Just my thoughts.
I gotta agree with you. Indian has definitely stepped up their game in terms of design and Harley needs to follow suit or risk being left behind. I love both Harley and Indian, but Harley hasn't really changed their design is a LONG time..I'd personally love a design that gives a nod to the old Panheads woth a modern flare to it.
For me? Indian. Looks better with all models by far. Push rods, air cooled are also not my thing. I also may be a little bias because I am 3/4 Native American.
Outside looking in as a new rider. The street glide special hooked me. However, now with the resurgence of Indian and my need to be different. Indian Scout will be my first bike. I just wish Indian had stretched bags like Harley used to, now they've gone away from stretched bags for some reason.
Indian will never have the dealer network that Harley has.Indian left in the 1950s and didn't return until 1999 with the Gilroy Indians until 2003 when they closed the door again. Then the name was bought again and started Indian back up for a few years then Polaris bought them.They are making good motorcycles with new ways of doing things.Harley are also making some of the best motorcycles they have ever made.Its good to have both Indian and Harley still building bikes.
Harley owns that market decidedly. Harley has been consistent in the culture, where as Indian has come and gone and come back. Harley offers a greater support network than Indian. Harley offers better customization options. Indian’s engine is also no longer a traditional engine. Indian builds a great product. Off the showroom floor Indian offers more torque and HP than a stock Harley. Indian also charges a subscription to some of the infotainment features. I’m a loyal Harley guy and always will be. Harley needs to simplify the line up of bikes offered. Then they need to lower the price. Here’s to the next 120 years of H-D.
Harley Davidson ammonia powered engine seems interesting, so that seems better than the electric route due to charge times vs fuel fil times and range.
You forgot to mention that Indian disappeared in the 50s... There were a few lash ups with Royal Enfield engines which also disappeared before a revival from India .. Triumph BSA and CZ for me !
My first bike was a X90 HD when AMF had them, now at 60 years old I’ve built two for my grandchildren, as far as electric I think Indians strategy is better with the eFTR Jr targeting youth who do not know about the rivalry.
The one thing that kept me from buying an Indian over Harley is the lack of dealerships at best you can find them in only the biggest cities. I’ve owned Harley’s and I’ll confess I like them but I’m not necessarily loyal to Harley. And even though I’ve never owned an Indian I certainly would… electric motorcycles I don’t think so the best part of owning a motorcycle is the ability to go to get on the road and go something I think would be severely hampered with an electric bike
Lets get it straight. Harley and Indian have not been battling for the past century. Only Harley has been around that long. The indian name and rights have been bought 2 or more times and now rests in the hands of Polaris.
This is the exact dilemma I'm in. I'm going to buy a bike soon & I can't decide between the Fat Bob 114 from Harley Davidson or the Scout Rogue from Indian. If anyone has an opinion on either bike, I'd appreciate reading it
If you do end up having to push your bike somewhere, Harley offers a much larger support network than Indian. There are dealerships everywhere. Indian has closed several Indian dealerships by me lately, and not every Polaris dealership is equipped or trained to deal with Indians. You want to customize your bike? Harley offers way more options, both in house and aftermarket. You don’t see 100,000 Indians outside the Full Throttle Saloon at Sturgis for a reason. Harley is the more supported, more traditional choice. With that said, if you wanna spend money once and have a faster, torquier motorcycle off the showroom floor? Buy the Rogue. Just know you’re gonna face some limitations compared to owning a Harley.
@@mrdude3540 got over 150,000 miles on Harleys. Never had a major issue. I ride 15-20 thousand miles a year. I will concede that Harley has way more aftermarket customizations that can be done. If those are done by owners that don’t understand what they are doing I’m sure there are complications that arise. My buddy with the Street Glide is proof of that. I also have a friend who has a Heritage Softail and a Challenger. He rides the softail more cuz he has tried to modify his Challenger himself several times and now it doesn’t run right. They outsell Indian 10 to 1. Go to any rally and Harley represents 50 to 1 over Indian. You’re entitled to your opinion. Millions of people world wide don’t agree with you.
their both selling more of an image, than a great bike.but their charging an arm & a leg for that image.while the rest of the world is improving their bikes.
Indian all the way! Harley is so woke and Harley owners show no respect to Indian owners. At least that has been my experience. I’ve also owned 11 Porsches. Anybody want to challenge me on that???
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I am 76 years old I have had a lot of bikes. And I love my lndian
Got a brand new heritage in 2008 what a drama then in 2014 I got a brand new indian vintage joy from day one when you pay that much money you don't want drama and I thank Harley for the drama so I looked elsewhere and indian was like a reborn smile on my face.
What ever you ride if it makes you happy that's what you want but it wasn't Harley but indian for me
I love indian...
I went with a scout bobber twenty 2 years ago and i haven't looked back. the speed power, not to mention it stands out due to not everyone having the same bike as me on the road
Indian! All Day Long----
Check out those e-bike sales figures. No motorcyclist/biker wants an electric motorcycle???
Indian all day long!!! Harley dealerships Adjusted that for me...
Its all about preference. I love my Indians. I see Harley going woke and i can't see the 'rebel' anymore.
Harley and Indian are both fantastic in their own separate ways. I prefer older Harley motorcycles hence why I own a 1959 XLCH; however, I prefer the Polaris-guided Indian offerings over the past few resurgences that Indian went through after going belly up in the 1950s. I am not knocking either brand and still enjoy them both but I think that Indian bikes have a more modern and sportier design cue; whereas, Harley body lines haven't really changed much over the years. I think that while Indian does nod to the vintage bikes in some of its body lines and the look of the Thunderstroke engines in the big cruisers they still have a more modern flair to them and well the FTR is just wicked for a factory naked street-fighter/scrambler type unit. Harley needs to do a naked version of the Pan America so that they have something to rival the FTR because the Sportster S is not even close to being in the same league. Just my thoughts.
I gotta agree with you. Indian has definitely stepped up their game in terms of design and Harley needs to follow suit or risk being left behind. I love both Harley and Indian, but Harley hasn't really changed their design is a LONG time..I'd personally love a design that gives a nod to the old Panheads woth a modern flare to it.
For me? Indian. Looks better with all models by far. Push rods, air cooled are also not my thing. I also may be a little bias because I am 3/4 Native American.
Outside looking in as a new rider. The street glide special hooked me. However, now with the resurgence of Indian and my need to be different. Indian Scout will be my first bike. I just wish Indian had stretched bags like Harley used to, now they've gone away from stretched bags for some reason.
Amazing that he didn’t mention the water cooled Indian engines.
My next bike will be a Indian
Indian will never have the dealer network that Harley has.Indian left in the 1950s and didn't return until 1999 with the Gilroy Indians until 2003 when they closed the door again. Then the name was bought again and started Indian back up for a few years then Polaris bought them.They are making good motorcycles with new ways of doing things.Harley are also making some of the best motorcycles they have ever made.Its good to have both Indian and Harley still building bikes.
When "your" bikes don't break down as often, you *don't* NEED that big of a dealer network!
Harley owns that market decidedly. Harley has been consistent in the culture, where as Indian has come and gone and come back. Harley offers a greater support network than Indian. Harley offers better customization options. Indian’s engine is also no longer a traditional engine. Indian builds a great product. Off the showroom floor Indian offers more torque and HP than a stock Harley. Indian also charges a subscription to some of the infotainment features. I’m a loyal Harley guy and always will be. Harley needs to simplify the line up of bikes offered. Then they need to lower the price. Here’s to the next 120 years of H-D.
Ok, at 1:42 the narration says Harley is pulling ahead in sales, but the graph shown shows Harley sales consistently falling over the last 5 years...
Harley Davidson ammonia powered engine seems interesting, so that seems better than the electric route due to charge times vs fuel fil times and range.
Harley now has heated seats and road-side assistance. But the same old oil-drip.....
Electric ????? HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved my 2017 Harley VRod Muscle. However I can't see me owning a Harley again after buying an Indian.
You forgot to mention that Indian disappeared in the 50s... There were a few lash ups with Royal Enfield engines which also disappeared before a revival from India .. Triumph BSA and CZ for me !
Indian owner but I also love Harleys.
Nowadays, I'd rather own an INDIAN
The sheep ride HD’s……
I’m a sheep😂
Lol
Baaa!
My first bike was a X90 HD when AMF had them, now at 60 years old I’ve built two for my grandchildren, as far as electric I think Indians strategy is better with the eFTR Jr targeting youth who do not know about the rivalry.
The one thing that kept me from buying an Indian over Harley is the lack of dealerships at best you can find them in only the biggest cities. I’ve owned Harley’s and I’ll confess I like them but I’m not necessarily loyal to Harley. And even though I’ve never owned an Indian I certainly would… electric motorcycles I don’t think so the best part of owning a motorcycle is the ability to go to get on the road and go something I think would be severely hampered with an electric bike
Harley win on marketing indian win on performance and reliability both will makr any owner very happy
Lets get it straight. Harley and Indian have not been battling for the past century. Only Harley has been around that long. The indian name and rights have been bought 2 or more times and now rests in the hands of Polaris.
And let's not forget witch company got bailed out by the government aka the taxpayers. 150 million many years ago and was not paid back.
Exactly! Was going to type the same thing and saw your post.
This is the exact dilemma I'm in. I'm going to buy a bike soon & I can't decide between the Fat Bob 114 from Harley Davidson or the Scout Rogue from Indian. If anyone has an opinion on either bike, I'd appreciate reading it
Do you want to ride, or push your hunk of tin back in? INDIAN!
The rogue is bad ass. Fast and mean looking. If I buy another bike I'm getting that Rogue
If you do end up having to push your bike somewhere, Harley offers a much larger support network than Indian. There are dealerships everywhere. Indian has closed several Indian dealerships by me lately, and not every Polaris dealership is equipped or trained to deal with Indians. You want to customize your bike? Harley offers way more options, both in house and aftermarket. You don’t see 100,000 Indians outside the Full Throttle Saloon at Sturgis for a reason. Harley is the more supported, more traditional choice. With that said, if you wanna spend money once and have a faster, torquier motorcycle off the showroom floor? Buy the Rogue. Just know you’re gonna face some limitations compared to owning a Harley.
@@MichaelH416 I agree Harley has more services than Indian but the reason is because Harleys break down every 100 miles
@@mrdude3540 got over 150,000 miles on Harleys. Never had a major issue. I ride 15-20 thousand miles a year. I will concede that Harley has way more aftermarket customizations that can be done. If those are done by owners that don’t understand what they are doing I’m sure there are complications that arise. My buddy with the Street Glide is proof of that. I also have a friend who has a Heritage Softail and a Challenger. He rides the softail more cuz he has tried to modify his Challenger himself several times and now it doesn’t run right. They outsell Indian 10 to 1. Go to any rally and Harley represents 50 to 1 over Indian. You’re entitled to your opinion. Millions of people world wide don’t agree with you.
Both good bikes in my opinion there’s enough room for both bikes both companies don’t matter what you ride as long as you are riding
You spelled re-badged Victory wrong.
their both selling more of an image, than a great bike.but their charging an arm & a leg for that image.while the rest of the world is improving their bikes.
Indian motorcycle for me. Electric bikes? No frigggen way. If HD goes that route, they will be committing commercial suicide.
Indian 100%. Harley had a good run, like Chevy, but it’s over.
But neither one is Bavarian.
You get more for your buck with indian imo
Indian all day long. I can’t ever ride with my Harley friends, their bikes are always broken.
If you are taking about looks and bike specs.....INDIAN all day. Everyone knows this.
BOOOO to EV!!!!!
Indian all the way! Harley is so woke and Harley owners show no respect to Indian owners. At least that has been my experience. I’ve also owned 11 Porsches. Anybody want to challenge me on that???
Harley>Indian
Indian is cool,,just don't like the look,,or the sound,,to generic looking,,
I’ll take a Harley over a Polaris any day.
AI shit.
this is a indian bias video.
😂😂😂😂😂
It is not Indian It is Polaras ???Indian is Gone .
BMW much better than harley & indian. For long distance riding, honda gold wing much better than harley & indian.
Indian isn't Indian sorry not sorry. Harley is going woke so Idc anymore.