Battle of the Japanese V8's, Which is Better & Why?
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- čas přidán 8. 11. 2021
- Nissan Vs Toyota V8's! Which engine are you picking?
Today on The Skid Factory, We have a chat with Nelson from Hartley Engineering & Motorsport about some key differences with Nissan & Toyota V8 Engines.
Both Nelson and Alan have been working with these engines for many years so it's a great discussion to have. Have your say, In your opinion , which is Better?
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Please do a build with the VK56! Have this motor in my Titan and love it! This motor gets almost no love here in the states, and has very little aftermarket.
Those first gen Titans seem to be kicking along just fine still these days. still see plenty of them in Utah.
Aussie V8 super cars run it in 5.0 capacity with no issues
Toyota Mechenic??
I bought my '05 Titan new and I have flogged the crap out of it. At least 400 passes at the dragstrip and I've towed so much with it the hitch pin hole is egg shaped. 260k miles and she just won't give up. I thought there was just Jim Wolf for our platform but Hartley has some awfully nice stuff for the VK. Nice to see this great engine getting a second life Down Under. That carb intake with a Holley Sniper under the hood of my Titan turning 8500rpm and a VQ40 6 speed manual behind it would be so badass.
@@yng4evr68am thinkin twin turbo armada vk56 and set it on an lpg gas system what you think?
It’s nice to see Alan let his 12 year old son do the intro to this video.
I think he has a bright future. 👍
😂🤣 that is funny. Why I never shave it off either, but gotta respect their motives 👍
Nissan has always been a monster engine builder. Love the 5.6. Its crazy what that CVT did to their brand. Without that, we might have a real competitor to Toyota.
Sorry for replying to your comment 5 months after the fact but none of the V8s are paired with a CVT and you are very much right on the money and its not the CVT transmission but rather the brand of CVT transmission that Nissan took too long to get off unlike other brands. nearly all the FWD Sedans are running CVTs now unless its a sporty car like VW Golf, Hyundai N line and the likes will have a DCT. I think some of the newer fords run DCT which is cool but most lower power-output Sedans are running CVTS (Honda, Toyota, Nissan all do it).
If you are in a country that has the Infiniti Brand that is the true Nissan design we all love but saddly have the higher badge pricing. I still miss my I30 from 2000 that had nearly 400,000km on it with all originals
There’s no Nissan V8 paired to a cvt. But good try
@@GoodEnoughGarage69 I never said there was idiot. I said that in a separate sentence implying I was talking about a different topic. Maybe you dropped out of school, but this is how language works. The CVT transmission that was used in compact cars in the 90s and early 2000s ruined Nissan's otherwise great reputation. Is that compensable to your lower intellect?
@@GoodEnoughGarage69 a V8 would completely destroy a cvt 😂😂. or they'll tune it down to 250 hp.
Y’all are brain dead, he was saying that Nissan using the CVT’s as a whole is what killed them. He never said they used them mated to V8’s
The “hakasuka” whisper after every time he says it get me every time 😆
When Nelson came up on screen, I mused to myself "Hmm, this guy looks a lot like Brendon Hartley."
The next thought was "Wait, isn't Brendon Hartley from New Zealand?"
They're brothers!
I just found that on Google a few minutes ago! I'm not sure which I'd rather have a beer with, but seriously leaning towards Nelson :)
Haha both doing awesome things!!
In one of the episodes last year I spotted a cardboard cut out of his brother just hanging around the workshop😂
I didnt know who brendon hartley was but let me say i wasnt surprised to find out he drives formula 1 lol.
As an independent mechanic for many years, im pretty much like Nelson. Im not extremely loyal to any brand, and thus can truly respect good engineering when i experience it. Everytime ive ever test drove a Titan with the 5.6L its been a surprisingly strong fast engine. I've been impressed several times.
The Nissan V8 Supercar engine was a de-stroked vk56, and the Kelly Boys dropped one into their Ski Racing boat for a while, it was an absolute jet down the river with two blokes clinging on for all they we were worth.
My bank account has enjoyed the 2 weeks off the hakosuka!
The VK56 for the win
I bet. The VK56 is beeeeyoootiful though 🥰
I could listen to Nelson talk for hours, so much knowledge and he knows how to present it. Any thoughts on the UR engines from Toyota tho? The UZ is getting quite old, and the 1UR, 2UR and 3UR should potentially be quite good?
Especially curious to hear opinions on the 2UR-GSE heads, since they were developed by Yamaha.
@@upgradeNEVER Was going to ask this myself.
I'd also be interested to hear about the UR engines. I've driven vehicles with them and they feel great in stock trim.
The UR engines are simply a better UZ in every single way except that it's an open deck engine. Most would give up on it due to the open deck but I've pushed my built open deck engine to +1000 whp with the stock crank and cams and it still wanted to push out more HP if I gave it more boost. With the open deck design, overheating the engine is almost impossible too.
Unfortunately, the UR series is basically non-existent in Australia/New Zealand. I bet it would be on par or better than the VK engines if Nelson gave it a chance.
@@BlueReaperX whats the differences between the isf 2ur and the 2ur in the rcf?
I've been watching guys over in the States running VK56 motors in formula drift for years ... absolute weapons and sound like nothing else!
Geezus Al, please grow that beard. Im not saying you look strange but you look strange without a beard 🤣🤣🤣
5oclock shadow.
Al Look’s more aussie when he Doesn’t have a beard. I can’t clearly explain it!
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its like on the simpsons when homer shaves and just looks odd
New use ya head shirts and air fresheners required now...
Great video but still…kinda disappointed that this wasn’t a video on Toyota 5.7 vs Nissan 5.6.
Agreed this VK version was the old VK56DE. The later version VK56VD with variable Valve lift against the toyota 5.7. The 1uz should have been compared to the VH45 from nissan.
In light of the scooby doo reference I’d wager Nelson would make a great shaggy. And if he was would millsy be Fred and would the bedford be the mystery machine?
A lot of people are dropping the VK 56 in Frontiers here in the states. It is a pretty straight forward swap from what I am seeing on the U-tubes. I am quite happy with my VQ 40 in my Gen 2 Frontier at almost 200.000 Never been in for repairs since new. Wife just picked up a new 22 Frontier. I would love to see one built with the VK56 It's a super good looking truck. IMO.
10k rpm NA V8 on the dyno - the song of our people
I'd enjoy it if Al did a run down of his preferences in fitting the VK56 vs 1UZ to various vehicles. I understand you're fitting different shape square pegs in different shape oblong holes but I think it'd be a cool video.
I really enjoyed Nelson's views. He speaks plain, no-nonsense pro vs. con. 👌
He probably prefers 1UZ's because he's done so many of them he'd have it down pat
@@coolhandluke1503 I'm a toyota man myself so I would tend to agree and it'd be an interesting chat re: displacement over power adders etc.
The UZ engines are much easier as they have multiple sump options.
@@theskidfactory I see that here in the states the SC400 had a center sump pan I believe, which would help with my Plymouth Duster setup with the steering being behind the K-member. Have you or Nelson placed one of these in a a-body Plymouth or Dodge vehicle ?
@@docfischer7291 Im looking to put one in my 81 cm valiant ute so good to know about the sc400 sump thanks
This video is sensational. Two motors I know very little about.
But visiting New Zealand I couldn't believe the prevalence of these Japanese V8's in vehicles at car events... barely seen a highly developed one here in Australia until the Skid Factory embarked on this built.
Today's episode presented by Angry Anderson! - looking forward to seeing the Mo's fellas!
It blows my mind everytime hearing such cool and detailed information from a young guy. Could listen to Nelson talk shit forever.
Im assuming they havent played with UR engines?
Yeah, same here. Very impressed with that young fella. Seriously educated guy. Sounds like most of that education is from experience too, which is almost bizarre.
His Father is a legend in the game so it's a family legacy.
Really cool information as an American im a huge v8 guy, y’all have made me a bara fan now, and now I’m almost a 10k rpm Nissan fan
I've got a nissan armada, big suv in America using the 5.6L, use it to tow my sailboat and friends to races. It's screamer even in a big truck like that. Always wondered what its potential was. Really cool.
I have one myself , a 2015 , looking to upgrade to 2017 or newer.
With enough cash I'd be straight on the VK56. Probably straight in an S15. 😊
Love your work as usual. 👍👍
I've got a 2011 Nissan Titan SL, love hearing about the potential my engine has. I love my V8.
I've owned an '05 Titan since new. I love that engine, it still starts like new and carries heavy load. It's good to hear nice about her.
Same here. '05 since new. 258k miles with 200+ passes at the dragstrip (high 13s with cold air, headers and tune at 5300 lbs) and dragging trailers everywhere since day one. Even though she's slowed down a bit, I'm still impressed when I jump in it after it sitting for a couple of weeks at her quickness and responsiveness. When the motor goes, I'll pat her on the dash and start looking for a new engine. She's been looking rough for a while now but I hit a deer recently so that's my excuse to fix some dings and get her a new coat of paint and wheels. Can't wait to see her all spiffed up.
05 with 275,000 original owner. Rebuilt the transmission ready for more runs smooth
awsome vid boys! awsome to see kiwis are still developing engines and parts to push motorsport further! also good on you 2 for getting in behind movember! good stuff brothers
I have the VK56 on my Nissan Xterra and love it, the V8 sound and the torque is fun
This whole series has definitely sparked my interest. So much good info I didn't already know & sorry Al.. Before & after footage?
I reckon I might have to do some googling for Hartley’s shop. That one at the end sounded wild and I’ve got a place for one, if I ever finish this damn Capri
Very cool video and a shave for a great cause, well done crew.
Great tech talk, pretty cool to listen to, thanks for sharing
Really interesting, great discussion from a knowledgeable guy. Thanks 👏
I was lucky enough to hear 3 of Hartley's v8s in some Superstock speedway action on the weekend. Jeez they sound good!
It's kind of hard to get information on these engines, so i'm very happy for this !
I'd be interested in having the same kind of analysis about the toyota 4.5 diesel v8, since it's even harder to get reliable feedback on these
Brilliant info and well presented. Thanks .
#movember for the win! Good job lads. Really important topic
Awesome video, heaps of cool information.
I owned a 1UZ Toyota back in the day and currently drive a VK Nissan, they are both phenomenal motors. But to compare the two is a little loaded. The 1UZ was developed in the late 80s, the VK didn't hit the road until 2002! To compare apple's with apple's, put the Nissan VK up against the Toyota UR (introduced in 2006). Thats a 'head to head' I love to see happen. Probably wont happen though, the UR just isn't common enough to be viable swap or used in race application.
The idle on that VK56 before the dyno pull sounds like a 2 stroke.
Baby face Al is so cute.
Alan, your explorations of the Toyota V12 are legendary- I can only hope you put another in the can with Nelson on it, as he has done some deep performance work with it to create a monster from what I've read.
PS; Accessed from here in the US, Hartley's site is a headline with no pictures or articles. What's up with that? FR
Great vid lads 👌👍💪
I was kinda hoping for him to mention the other variants, like the UR series, 2/3UZ's, and the VH45/VK45
and the 390hp VK50.
I'd love to see a breakdown between a bunch of motors, notably the 2UR-GSE vs the 3UZ, vs the VK56DE and VK45VE, but also against something like a 5L Coyote and a Chev LT motor (not the old C4 Corvette LT1, but the newer C7 LT1/LT4). Understandably getting hold of an LT1, a 2UR and a VK45VE down here would be a bit hard to do
I would love a gu with that vk 56 in it. Auto and 35s. Great start for the future I reckon.
I have a 98 vvti 1uz that I’m putting a set of thick conrods from a early 1uz in. Going to turbo it. So happy to hear you get 500bhp out of the standerd pistons.
You may not think that was epic, but, That was epic! Total knowledge dump
Was waiting for this 😁
Can't wait for the 1 hour long (minimum) episode of you and Nelson talking about the 1GZ.. because its coming soon right?
I can recall when Nelson & Brendon were racing open-wheelers in Australia back in the 90s.
I've got zero knowledge on the nitty gritty tech stuff of engines, but most interesting vid
Nelson sounds a like an amazing person
the man speaks wisdom!!!!! as a mechanic i always get people asking my opinion on engines and brands and my opinion is often meet with disappointment as i am not interested in brand bashing and i look at things from an engineering stand point and people find it hard to stomach as it is not what they want to hear 😂
1uz is such a lovely engine for smaller cars.
Ta22 celica with a 1uz is a dream
Il have to watch this this evening its 5:20am in Ireland 🇮🇪🤙💯
Best in the world with real life experience and knowledge. Love that these boys are in Australia and love how they do there own stuff. As a proud owner of many nissan cars including a Hako i think what they are doing with the hulkasuka is awsome. Screw the haters its all about content and these guys bring it in spades. OGJDM
That is a glorious 3rd chin Al!
Cracking video !
Al needs to get a Nissan Cedric and put a VK56 in that?
Or he could build my dream Nissan? An S15 with S14A front and then GTR drive train and then a VK56 with a roots blower poking out the bonnet probably high as the roof line lol
Those valve covers are SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow!
Big Al. If only one could've convinced "Stupid Samuel" to do the 5.6V8 in his Nissan Patrol all those years ago mista ? Really appreciate your insights into the young kiwis with more knowledge than us blokes from the middle ages sir ! V.
Welcome back to The Chin Factory
I vote 56 any day , just a beautiful powerhouse . One day I'm going to toy with a 56 myself
Al without a beard looks like he is ready to crush some beers and create a lot of smoke really quickly with some crazy small burnout car with huge tires on the back XD
Great information.
Happy to see we have Japanese equivalents for V8 engines, in my youth I only remember either European V8's or American V8's. There were no Japanese Competitor's for the V8 market.
All grey information, would be cool to hear about Toyota’s UR V8 engines as well
I'm generally a Toyota person with 4wds and stuff.. but this really makes me want to put a vk56 in my UC sunbird
I also would like to put one in my LX 4 door
@@StatiXonfirE would honestly be an awesome conversion and just be something a bit different to an ls
ANY engine in a UC Sunbird would be an upgrade..... VK56 arguably way too good for it, haha.
Raising for a good cause 👍🏻
Good video too 😁
Greetings from the east coast of the U.S.A gentlemen!
So first off… what is the pissed off engine burbling in the background ?! Sounds healthy !
Nelson mentions that the non- VVTi is a similar block as the VVTi , is it true that it’s just a matter of a oil passage to feed the VVTi ?
Would the NON block need to be modified to accept the VVTi heads if even if you are not using the VVTi ?
Thank you for the great videos . I’m working on obtaining parts for my son and I’s Plymouth A-Body project . Between you guys and Cartune channel I don’t think I could go wrong. 🤙🏼 Cheers guys .
i love the waynes world transition for the past
Hahahaha was wait for al to do his back in time thing. 😂
I was going to say compare the same year models of v8s which is the UR version which also came in 5.7 litre as a 3ur
You guys are Great! I am impressed how resiliant Aussies & New Zealanders are with solution building. I am building my own custom 2uz-fe in a Lexus GX470 to drive to Alaska from the Midwest United States. The info on the heads was valuable about the aluminum buckets and valve sizes. Isn't the VVTi head from the 2uz the better design for the UZ series of engines? I do my own machine work so I can experiment.
I bought Eagle H-beam rods and General motors 94mm bore LF4 pistons for the 2uz-fe VVTi engine. Had to make a custom adjustment to the wrist pins but it gave me a $45 piston/rings 94mm bore that takes 18 ibs of factory boost in the Cadillac LF4 engine. These LF4 pistons have steel backed up lands to make them so strong while being hypereutectic to run close cylinder tolerances. I have the TRD supercharger to run mild boost since these pistons made 11:1 CR. Should VVTi be kept functional in a low rpm torque engine compared to a high rpm race engine?
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Need more info on that B series in the background!
1UZ's are old now but they were a huge leap forward in 1989 and had a long useful life because of it.
I can certainly appreciate the VK56 but unfortunately for me I'm a die hard Toyota fanatic.
Availability and price is also another factor.
I've never met a Kiwi I didn't like. Shout out to my boys in Wanganui!
I own a VH41 and wish I’d bought a VK56.
2021 and time travel is real. 🤟🏻
"Wow! What a totally amazing excellent discovery."
-Wayne
Yewww! Great video guys
thanks soo much for the wisdom guys i was feeling sad about getting a VK56de non vct from a 05 titan and u just made everything better :D any idea what the max rpm i can rev the stock motor to ? maybe 7k or 7.5k rpms ?
Hope you fulla's come back to NZ when this covid shite fack's off a bit...Would love to see you catch up with Nelson and all the other excellent Kiwi Car nuts over here!!
Just for clarification, was the Toyota section of this video only about the 1UZ? Not the 2UZ, 3UZ, or UR engines in general? Awesome info as always!
The engines in the video are what is being used in the NZ superstock series. They are all 4l capacity with a 4bbl carburettor. The wash up is that the 1UZ VVT is still very good but the destroked Nissan VK is better but costs twice as much. Old 1UZ are not worth playing with in this application and the VH41 is good but also has issues with valvetrain.
@@theskidfactory Gotcha! Thanks much for the summary. Understood most of that, just wasn't sure if the VVTi knowledge was generally true for Toyota V8s or only for a specific generation. Cheers and can't wait to see more hah-kose-kaaah!
awesome, i really love these nerd-tech-talks!!
How much can U rev a stock nissan 5,6 ??
would be really nice if u did a ep on an budget build, and what to be espected for x amount of dollars :)
i want to know the max rpm too :D did u ever find out ?
Was really hoping to hear more about Toyota v8s. I think a UR or even a 3uz would have been a better competitor for the vk56
The sound of a superstock is something amazing, i guess its convinent though being near the right size to begin with and less head work needing done. What engine do you guys run in the 240ci champs is it a longer conrod or shorter crank throw?
Wow Al you look 10 years younger without the beard!!!
Nelson, legend!
Is this guy "Turbo Yoda" from old MCM videos?
You must be new here, There's 3 years of videos to catch up on!
Anything to say about the UR toyota V8s?
Its the LS of Japan.
Not common in Australia or new Zealand
pretty sure all the recent ones are direct injection which kind of limits your power if you don't add a second set of traditional injectors
pretty awesome dude
Hears NA carburated V8 rev to red line, tears in eyes. Shaves himself after.
7:35 'Get the EAR flowing out' 🤣
I want the 1GZ v12 with the ITBs, perfect engine to RestoMod into a Jaguar XKC V12.
Be interesting to see what Nelson could do with an M156 6.2ltr
It's crazy for me to see these Japanese V8's used in motorsports over there when every roundy-round car over here in the US has a small block Chevy.
Both the VK50 and Volvo V8s had success in our V8 Supercar racing series here against SB2.2's pretending to be Holden and Ford engines. That's a pretty big achievement considering the Zillions of dollars the SB2.2 has had behind its development.
@@theskidfactory Does the SB2.2 have a heavier block and if so did the weight hold back it's car's handling and increase the tyre wear rate vs the VK50 and Volvo V8's ?
I wonder what the newer 3UR-FE 5.7L Toyota v8 is like compared to the VK56??
Would be interesting
I have owned both. Defiantly more impressed with the Toyota. Very strong pull from just off idle to redline. I will say that the Nissan felt more powerful than its rating. The Nissan was also notorious for cracked manifolds. I never got around to doing the headers and tune which is supposed to wake up the engine quite a bit. The Toyota has been a straight workhorse for the last 5 years. I have only done oil and filter changes. This year I will flush all of the coolant for its first service other than the oil. No complaints what so ever.
Can't wait to see the tash
I legit like both engines to be honest. Glad I am not currently having to choose! Mind you maybe on a smaller car I'd take the 1U cause it is lighter and a bigger car go full VK ham?