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The 1899 Cleveland Spiders were the worst team in MLB history, at least by winning percentage. The franchise which once boasted future Hall of Famers Cy Young, Bobby Wallace, and Jesse Burkett came to a screeching hault when Frank Robison and his brother Stanley acquired the St. Louis Browns and renamed them to the St. Louis Perfectos. All those legends were stripped from Cleveland and sent to play in St. Louis.
Ballplayers who played with the Spiders in 1899 included veteran catcher Chief Zimmer, player-managers Lave Cross and Joe Quinn, pitchers Jim Hughey and Frank Bates, cigar store clerk Eddie Kolb baseball, and shorstop Harry Lochhead.
This episode also serves as an exploration of 1899, as it's just the 2nd episode of Baseball Bits that deals with 19th century baseball.
In the end, this team won just 20 games while losing 134, making them the MLB worst team ever by most measures, but there's also elements of their story to be celebrated. You'll learn about them here on Baseball Bits, a Foolish Baseball production.
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I joined. Thx for the great content.
@@BloodoperaBlackvomit Really appreciate that!
I joined also
Same
What is your name -- I'd like to know which Brave's player you were in 2001 man.
Good Going! Great to hear a former MLB player become a successful youtuber.
According to Reddit, FB was 24 years old in 2019. So he played for the Braves at the ripe age of... 6. What a story.
It really is quite the accomplishment.
Foolish Baseball well I played on the Red Sox at the ripe old age of -18.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
thats what happens when ur a young prodigy
Thats a very large 6 year old as well. He must have eaten his Wheaties!
"Everyone in this story's dead. Except Craig Kimbrel."
RIP Derek Jeter
And Foolish Baseball rip
Baseball was a dangerous sport in 2001. First Jeter, now Foolish?
RIP Graeme Lloyd
3 Homer games czcams.com/video/uxcXYnxHLDk/video.html
8:05 rip everyone watching this video
Number of Cy Young Awards Cy Young won: 0
Number of Cy Young Awards Bartolo Colon won: 1
Bartolo > Cy Young
really makes u think
Sound logic there
Just name it the Bartolo Colon Award
@@marcus3704able technically, Bartolo wouldn't win his own award as just happened with Cy Young.
Should change the name to Humongous Seductive Award.
10:09 "Everyone in this story is dead..." FB mentions himself during the video, confirming the Atlanta Braves attempted to cover up their 6 year old phenom drowning from a Gatorade shower after a walkoff homer.
“Thankfully, Old Hoss did the wise thing and died.” This channel is the anti-boredom mechanism.
Really good move from Old Hoss
that line legitimately made me laugh aloud to myself. I don't do that a lot
Old Hoss knew what was up. "I already pitched every game to win once. Im sitting this one out permanently, fam."
@@FoolishBaseball agreed
I laughed audibly when he said that
The Spiders' record for road losses is literally unbreakable. As teams are limited on how many road games they can play each season, as long as that doesn't change, the Spiders' record can't even be approached.
What about unusual situations like when the Montreal Expos only played something like a quarter of their games in Montreal in 2004 before moving to Washington? Heck, the Blue Jays don't technically have a single home game this season in 2020, although there's only 60 of them compared to the usual 81 road games.
How the tables have turned
2021 Arizona Diamondbacks: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
@@furioussherman7265 you know I'm talking about total road losses in a season, not road losing streaks?
@@nathaniellevesque2782 I think he's saying that attendance is so low that it's basically an away game. Seems like there are more away than home fans at Chase these days
"Old Hoss did the right thing and died in 1897"
That got a good laugh out of me. Thank you baseball man.
Thank you, comment man
@Andrew Behrend Lol I literally found this comment at the exact time he was saying it 😂
“I played for the Braves in 2001.” Something’s not adding up...
He is Spooneybarger
yeah the braves didnt win the WS that year. maybe he meant '95?
3 Homer games czcams.com/video/uxcXYnxHLDk/video.html
@Raishaun Tanner Hold up is this narrator really Tim Spooneybarger???
1997 Mtw crazy, right?
Cy young never won a cy young award what a bad player
I'm sure those HOF voters checked all his sabermetrics though
him and that loser, Nolan Ryan
I was proud to hear him say that... it has been a little running joke of mine for a while: "Cy Young wasn't that good... he never even won the Cy Young Award."
Sort of similar to "Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease because, like, duh, obviously... his parents totally doomed him when they named him Lou."
I don't think Alfred Nobel ever won a Nobel prize, either.
The standings at 12:01 are interesting: eight of the 12 teams had winning records (with Louisville only two games below .500) because Cleveland swallowed up such a disproportionate number of the total losses.
Not to mention... Pincinnati.
I would love to see a Jon Bois style documentary on each of these 20 wins.
They should call it Pretty Bad
@@FoolishBaseball great idea of a new series about historically bad seasons!
I would too
Boisbots are annoying
@@RicardoAGuitar ?
I read the book about the 1899 Spiders titled “Misfits!” and I recommend it (although it may be out of print). The best story has to be the one where Frank Robison wires Lave Cross and states “We are not here to win games”. Yes, he really said that!
Haha that's great! On par with Mark McGwire's "I'm not here to talk about the past."
@@FoolishBaseball we talkin bout practice?
Foolish Baseball x Jon Bois is something we need, it would be pretty good....
It would be, uh, Baseball Bits
It would be Pretty Good Baseball Bits, how about that
We’d have also accepted “it would be Pretty Foolish”
Bois is terrible now.
@@OhNoBruno the mariners series was phenomenal
I love those old-timey names like the Perfectos and Superbas.
And Pincinnati
I first heard of the 1899 Spiders in a book from over 20 years ago called, "On a Clear Day, They Could See 7th Place." But this laid out how awful The Spiders were.
After the 1899 season, the ownership of two teams was banned. 4 teams were also contracted. Cleveland and Baltimore were among them.
Yeah Cleveland certainly weren't the only club in deep financial trouble at the time.
@@FoolishBaseball BTW if you can find "On a Clear Day..." it's great. The Phillies appear twice. The '62 Mets appear. Sadly The 1988 Orioles do as well. I grew up near Baltimore and remember the '88 Orioles.
As I understand it, conflict of interest also existed between Brooklyn and Baltimore and Pittsburgh and Louisville.
This makes me feel a lot better about my 115-loss rebuilding squad on OOTP
So is no one gonna talk about how Chicago’s team in 1898 was literally named the Orphans?
@Zach Natural Well actually in 1898 it was okay to name a baseball team that.
We don’t know why though???
The Brooklyn *Bridegrooms*
I had the same thought! lol
That team did became the Loveable Losers after a name change.
Sounds like a name someone would make their Diamond Dynasty team lol
FB: The team that lost 134 games
My T-ball team: “Finally, a video about us!”
Losers need representation too!
oH BOy WOO HOo
"Old Hoss did the wise thing and died" is the most savage line in a sports video
Never imagined this guy liking baseball but that’s cool
@@baseballislife4195 ikr
@@baseballislife4195 I feel like people who don’t like baseball is people who never watched it but they should definitely give it a try because as soon you do start watching it there’s no turning back and that’s a good thing
"We're not Detroit!"
...we're not Detroit!
2003 Detroit Tigers: "We're not Cleveland!"
@@chicagoakland you're right, they're worse lol
Still not Detroit!
When the cleveland commercial played i knew what was about to go down
COME ON DOWN TO CLEVELAND TOWN EVERYONE
OUR BASEBALL TEAM WON ONLY 20 GAMES
SEE OUR STADIUM THAT ATTRACTS NO FANS
ITS SO ABANDONED THAT NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY HERE
What a great team!
To win a whole 20 games!
The standings at 0:27 and the Pirates are still 4 games under .500 😂
Some things never change
Then the Pirates won three straight pennant starting in 1901
This team was just a AAA team in the mlb
AA team*
Fam this was my T-ball team in the MLB
Emilio Villa * Rookie Ball
Esports team playing actual baseball*
Makes me feel like the pirates are good!
It's a hard life us Pirates fan live, baseball wise that is
Pittsburgh Alleghenys still gonna get called out though.
Don't worry that feeling will pass
He’s just ripping on the burgh... :/
0:27 still 4 below .500 😂
A surprising return of the Bob Wickman Calendar!
I knew I still had that thing somewhere.
Foolish Baseball there was no prominent seductive at the end :(
Missed this joke in the past apparently. Can someone explain it to me? Saw Bob Wickman and was very confused haha
@@joshcrosby in a previous video he had a bob wickman calender but at the end there was a picture of bartolo colon and foolish got a little mad
@@ajwootz8165 Also just looked it up, Wickman and Graeme Lloyd were traded for each other, allowing Lloyd to have the playoff run FB mentioned. Nice touch.
Thanks for covering more of pre-20th Century baseball. It often feels like the "here be dragons" era.
The picture you used for Jack Powell was accidentally printed on his Ramly baseball card. It is actually a picture of his teammate Harry Howell. Howell would later go on to be involved in the 1910 batting title scandal, which is another interesting story.
Still a better win percentage than the 2017 Browns
True!
I Am A Browns Fan
cLeVeLaNd
3-1
20-134
Hello king 👑
0-16
3-1 leads giveth 3-1 leads taketh
Those are words of beauty over here in Chicago
Scoring the winning run against Boston on July 1st, 1899 was such a great time. We celebrated hard after that one
Me: hears "Ipswich"
Me: omg a mlb player from my hometown no way!
Me: hears "Queensland"
Me: oh...oh well that's cool too
Knowing you’re on a bad team is tough in any sport, but that feeling after an elusive win is indescribable.
Spiders were tanking 110+ years before it was cool.
“National League”...”that’s a dumb name for a league it’s never going to last”
That league has no chance
"In some ways, losing so much just makes winning that much sweeter." This, right here, is what being a sports fan is all about.
Unless me being an Astros fan .-.
Me, an Indians fan: “Huh I wonder what this video is about”
Video: “Fun times in Cleveland today-“
Me: (｡ŏ﹏ŏ)
haha same
mood.
Relatable
That's some Aussie history that I never knew before. Thanks for that, keep the content up! Fan from the land down under.
Your new videos are always an instant watch for me! And youve awoken a fascination for old timey baseball that I never knew I had. Like the story of the guy who got shipped off to Louisville back when transportation wasn't nearly as easy as today. These stories are so great and I want to know even more!
That you so much Foolish for everything you do. The research, editing, soundtrack are all AAA quality. No speed runs through your content! Love you dude!
Aye Baltimore was second feels decades but they were good like 6 years ago
Manny Machado was really good for those 1898 Orioles.
Manny Machado was injured when the Orioles lost to the Rangers 30-3
But that was six years ago
Hey... those Orioles went on to become... the Yankees.
And then the Orioles didn’t put Zack Britton in the Wild Card game and they were never good again... 😔
I really thought this was a Stark Raving Sports video till I saw the graphics
This is definitely a topic they'd do.
I absolutely LOVE you for that Cleveland Tourism video! And this is one of those baseball subjects that I know about! Very glad you're bringing them to light!
rewatching old Baseball Bits is my favorite way of recovering from an anxiety episode
Orioles: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
“He has a glue stick early on but he was shipped to the Perfectos” thanks for the laugh on that one Baseball boi
I've been rewatching a bunch of old episodes lately and I think this might be the best video on your channel
0:27 can I point out that Boston are called the beaneaters. What a legendary name lmao
That last story really makes you realize how much you’d take even crappy, disappointing baseball over nothing. Even the meaningless win they had against Boston was worth so much to those fans. I’d do anything to watch some baseball right now even if my team goes 0-however many games they play this year
Nah, you wouldn't want to experience such futility. However, I can understand the void you're dealing with right now.
I'm confused. Did the 2018 Orioles actually just sign all of the 1899 Cleveland Spiders Rotation?
If the 2018 Orioles had done that, they would have gone 11-151 instead of 47-115.
HAHA Brownies
Bro that Frank Robison detail is on point. Seriously, that's really impressive work for pixels. Awesome vid as always man! I really miss baseball but channels like yours and Jomboy Media bring back some of that feeling, keep up the great work! : -)
That intro deserve some sort of reward. Sublime
A team that lost 134 games? Surely you're Joe-Quinn...
Oh my
I’m joe Quinn!
Another Joseph no way
Craig Kimbrel just had a press release where he said he will be dying at the end of the 2021 season "just to one-up Foolish Baseball"
What is this a reference to?
@@johnschauer6832 I dunno I just made it up
Scott Ellis Sorry I just hadn’t gotten to the point in the video where he brought up Kimbrel
I grew up in Ipswich, Queensland and that scared the shit out of me
I’m a simple man I see a foolish baseball vid I click
folks, it's that easy
3:07 I'm 99% certain that's not actually Jack Powell, but rather Harry *Howell,* who was another pitcher from the era
foolish please favorite this or the cy young wont be renamed the old hoss award.
Had to do it. Can't risk it.
Thank you for this content to get me through quarantine, Mr. Baseball
The content on this channel feels like a hybrid of Bill Wurtz’s humor and Jon Bois’ sporting interests. I love it.
3:18 yooo I'm done 😂
Ahahahehehehe... I'll have to show my lassy this video. We currently live in Ipswich, Queensland because that's where she is from... Quinn being head of the rejects is fantastic and sums up Ipswich perfectly. (Though he is still the first Aussie in MLB so I guess it's also a win for Ipswich.. Damn.)
Also, this video has about 33,000 views with 514 comments and there's about half a dozen from Ipswich.. I wonder what the odds are on that. Is it a surprisingly high chance like the birthday thing where you only need 23 people to have a 50% chance of a shared birthday or is there a general oddity going on here. (probably a whole cricket/baseball crossover thing helping chances someone is from Aus).
I miss baseball too, thankfully this channel is here to hold me over :)
That writer for the Chicago Trubune in 1899 was a straight savage
11:57 is that koogs 😂
lol it does look like him tho
It's never a good sign when your team is named the "Spiders."
Spiders are good for the ecosystem. Failing ballclubs are not.
Foolish Baseball agreed
I dunno, a team with that kind of name must know how to leg out some infield hits.
The Mariners must of originally been the Cleveland Spiders and that's why their stadium got burnt down.
@@nirvana131995
When did that happen?
No, the Cardinals nickname started the very next year in 1900, not 1901, and it was Branch Rickey's farm system that put the Cardinals on the competitive map. Hornsby was merely the only star player on a bunch of losing teams until he got backup from the farm.
i’m very late but as someone who lives in louisville thank you for pronouncing it right
I can't wait for the 2022 Reds to only win 19 games.
I love what you do. This has quickly become one of my favorite channels on youtube and I enjoy the video game styling and comedic elements. Incredible work. Just some topics I'd like to suggest and see what you could do with them.
Black Sox Scandal
Greatest All-Star team ever?
Something about Negro League players
History of baseball stadiums
keep up the great work!
Definitely a series on the Negro Leagues needs to be made. Satchel Paige is a good one for starters.
It would be interesting to see how the award winners and HOF'ers from MLB stand up against their contemporaries in the Negro Leagues.
If Mountain Landis hadn't been a racist scumbag, maybe America would look a lot different today. We would undoubtedly have many more African Americans in the Hall of Fame
Those Cleveland videos are so funny, havent thought of them in years. great opening lol
These videos are the best, the level of info is just next level and you can tell a lot of research goes into these. I was always fascinated with the Spiders, I think the first they came to my attention was in 2003 (?) or whatever year the Tigers lost 119, and I remember the local broadcast showing the stat from the Spiders having lost 134. Definitely seems like an unbreakable record, so they have that going for them.
Re: "The Rajah"
Love those old timey nicknames, that one in particular reminded me of Charlie "Jolly Cholly" Grimm.
"...as any talented ballplayer was going to play their way out of Cleveland, whether they liked it or not."
Thanks to the Dolans owning that team, some things never change.
Wait, isn’t the Entire MLB feeder teams for the Yankees...
You mean the 1950s A's?
I love that they actually have the Spiders Cy Young in The Show this year.
The fact that we have the ability to apply advanced metrics for players over a century after they played is amazing to me.
A word on Honus Wagner -- it's pronounced "Hawn-us", which admittedly is hard to tell at first glance. It makes more sense when you remember it's a diminutive of Johannes.
I knew how to pronounce it but I didn’t know it was a diminutive of Johannes. Thanks for the fun fact.
Fun times in Cleveland again (Still Cleveland)
Come on down to Cleveland town everyone
Under construction since 1868
See our river that catches on fire
It’s so polluted that all our fish have AIDS
We see the sun almost 3 times a year
This guy has at least 2 DUIs
Flats look like a Scooby Doo ghost town
Don’t slow down in East Cleveland or you’ll die
Our economy’s based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is crippling depression
We’re so retarded that we think this is art
It could be worse, at least we’re not Detroit!
We’re not Detroit!
yes
Didn’t love the topic, but appreciate the time and effort spent to create content. Thanks for giving us plebs something to watch
BASEBALL BITS IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING ME ALIVE
Sorry to hear that
Timeout FB you played for the Braves!?
Yep. He's also in the story and, thus, dead. RIP FB.
Yeah in 2001
@@FoolishBaseball Wow. You have a very youthful voice for someone who's in his mid-thirties. And deceased.
Sorry for your loss by the way.
@@nicknumber1512 apparently Graeme Lloyd is too
So, essentially, Cleveland was a minor league team playing in the majors
A double-B team at best
Wow! The Cleveland Spiders actually make the 1962 edition of my beloved New York Mets actually look pretty good.
"Rogers Hornsby was a one-man wrecking crew in the 20s"
Yeah, damn, I just looked that up, that's gotta be one of the best decades by any player ever! 6 times had a WAR over 10, wow.
@Lighthouse in the Storm Indeed!
Am I the only one who thinks “Spiders” is one of the worst names for a team possible?
Better than Cleveland Cockroaches
I think the “Chicago orphans” is worse
Foolish Baseball tru
certainly better than the naming a team Indians
To me it's a name you have to win under to make it respectable. I think it's no worse than "Packers" or "Heat" or "Oilers."
Of course it would be a team from Cleveland.
typical
This is like, the third time in a row I’ve eaten a Pollo Bowl from El Pollo Loco, where you upload a video.
I love the little details foolish puts in videos like putting "CIG" as Eddie Kolb's position lmaoooo
10:12 so you are dead too
Somehow he made the video from beyond the grave. That's some mad talent.
Makes my mariners look good
Let's not get carried away
Foolish Baseball look decent?
That frank robinson pixel bit is haunting lol
Excellent work Mr. Foolish Baseball sir
Oh I'm early
Not just early, you're first!
Foolish Baseball oh I didn't even notice lmao
Enjoyed this historical video. Nice job
I can’t stress how hard I laughed at the Old Hoss Radbourn part “he did the wise thing and died”
"I'm dying inside"
Amatuer. I've been dead inside.
keep going man this is my first ever comment on this site and i chose ur channel u are doing amazing work and i wish u the best of luck
Thank goodness I get a new Foolish Baseball video on my birthday!
Just discovered your channel today. Wow, this is awesome stuff. I love the history of the game. I'm gonna enjoy going through your videos.
FWIW - 12:59 Might wanna check the math on the Beaneaters' box score.
“Thankfully, Old Hoss did the wise thing and died in 1897 to avoid pitching for the 1899 Spiders.” nice