Referee Backchat in Rugby
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"Christopher" 😂. He got the message. That's a gem!
Nigel's tone is pitch perfect 👌
Respect like that is what makes rugby special.
Nigel was the perfect referee, if you watch a lot of his clips he has good banter too, he just won’t tolerate backchat and I couldn’t agree more 👍🏽😂
It was probably a reminder of how his mum or dad would pull him up when he was young and in trouble.
It's the instant "sorry sir" that gets me 😂
Really like the rule that allows refs to march players back 10. Seeing players surround the ref far too often now. Don't want to become like football.
When I was refereeing, our regional advisor (ex-international referee) advised that we do this any time a player showed dissent.
Makes a referees job easier, and also protects the next referee.
After marching back 10m several times, usually a team shuts up, or the coach replaces the offenders.
I think it's the biggest deterrent at the top level where games are decided by fine margins. Billy v cost his team the game
I watch both sports quite a lot and tbh its hard to tell much difference atm. Rugby has lost its discipline a bit and football has cleaned up a bit, narrowing that gap.
@@Tomlawrence93 I don't see the improvement in football, I'm not saying there isn't one, I just haven't seen it at least not in the Premier League.
It doesn't get used enough. Imo the only player who should be allowed to 'discuss' things with the ref is the captain - and if the captain acts like Farrell, Biggar and Sexton do sometimes then it should be used then too
"Aaah Christopher" as he looks up at him.
"Sorry Sir" as he runs back.
Absolutely brilliant from Nigel, miss him on the field of play.
Also correct from Robshaw.
@@Moggy471
Correct. Good example for children learning the game, too.
Sorry sir he’s a grown ass man twice his size…ridiculous
@@jakehowie442 ridiculous to show respect to the person in charge or to your opponents and team mates?
You're clearly a soccer fan 👍🏼
Sinckler screaming is so bizarre 😂
IKR! I thought there was a runaway llama on the field 🦙
a walking penalty machine
@@dawski4697 one of them goats...
I think O’Mahony summed him up best
This is a big part of what makes Rugby a class sport and why I stopped watching soccer about 25/30 years ago. Kudos to "World Rugby" for the way they run the show. Nigel Owens "this is not soccer" legend, sadly missed.
Football*
@@sm7baller435
*Soccer. It's just one of the many football codes.
Always called soccer when I was a kid in a League area.
Why are u talking like hes dead 😂😂
@@paulinemockler3736 Don't have to be dead to be missed. Retired is nearly the same 😁
@@robertcottam8824 no, it's called football. Educate yourself.
Sexton trying the Jedi mind trick 😂 'you're going to reverse the penalty'. Then had the cheek to try and suggest he was being constructive!
He’s a mouthy female body part ain’t he?
@@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart Was about to say something like that, well done, accurate!
Thankfully Ruddock (the should be Leinster captain) told Sexton enough was enough and walked him away haha
I will never tire of seeing that look on Dylan Hartley's face.
I mean, I feel bad for Northampton a little now, as it cost them the title that year, but as a Leicester fan it was glorious and still makes me smile.
It was show of wanton self-destruction. Even the scrum was unnecessary as Myler dropped out on the full despite Barnes' warnings. Hartley had already been warned to button it.
So clearly the better team won. 'Better' as in listened to the ref and modified their behaviour according to warnings. Just so happens it was funny as it was Saints!!!
😃
I met Wayne Barnes once at a barrister's drinks in London (as that's what he does away from rugby) and apparently the evening of this game was his stag do. There was so much tension after the match they had to change plans to get them further away from the ground and any potential areas where fans may be haha.
@@andrewmather9076 barrister's drinks? They still do that? Jeez that was the main reason I didn't finish my LLB. But that was 23 years ago. Thought they'd have done away with that.
@Jonontoast You're discressioning from the point somewhat...
As rugby followers we are indebted to the courage of top referees, like those portrayed in this video, to maintain the dignity and respect the game of rugby enjoys around the world - as mentioned in one of teh clips, "this is not soccer". Thank God.
I don't watch much Union (might watch Bledisloe cup or Super Rugby sometimes) but I watch Rugby League, I love when the refs put their foot down and shuts the player(s) up when they backchat.
@@SilentHotdog28
Stan Wall was a League ref back in the 60s and 70s. He was about 5ft 3 and 8st wet through
Used to see him whilst watching Leigh - when they were good.
To see enormous props and 2nd row forwards walk away from him with their bottom lips sticking out after a telling off... Priceless.
And what a fantastic example of how to play with RESPECT for little kids like me. Ain't forgot it and I'm pushing sixty.
As a soccer referee, I agree when he said that, rugby has so much more respect it's really nice to see.
Never understand why football refs allow being screamed at and surrounded..they are a joke
Expected this to just be 8 minutes of Biggar flapping his arms about.
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And bumping his gums
"This is not soccer" ... absolute legend.
I loved it...
God I love the lessons that I learnt from rugby age 9 to 25...respect the ref.. there would be no game without him.. no matter how much you think he's wrong... taught self control...patience..so much more
Nothing is ever better then watching these absolute beasts of men being talked to like they're 4 years old.. god damn I love it so much this isn't soccer sums everything up 🤣
Classic, you don't see it much in soccer, but in Rugby League and Union and Australian Rules Footy you see it and it is gold.
@@SilentHotdog28 At big games in the UK you can buy a radio for a few pounds that's tuned into the same frequency as the referee's microphone. I remember hearing the ref tell one of the players to "stop being so childish".
@@geoffpoole483 not just big games, all premiership games normally have it.
NIgel OWENS - simply the best ref I played under and the best I've ever watched. More like him please!
This is not soccer. Is that clear? OFF YOU GO.
Love him!
the best ever!!
Honestly Nigel Owen’s is rugby refereeing, I remember him talking about the Italy England game where Italy never formed rucks, and he said “it’s perfectly legal, but it shouldn’t be”, and then the next season it wasnt
I'm older than you by quite a bit but the only Ref that I could compare him with was Clive Norling.
That exchange between Nigel Owens and Chris Robshaw at 5:09 is a classic but just shows the respect that Owens has not just from Robshaw but every player , they know not to push it with him , because he’s the best .
"What? You can't tackle Dan Carter?" - gotta be the best troll ever to a ref. He had a point.
That’s the difference between having a dig at the referee disrespectfully and making a funny and very humorous comment but also getting your point across, 99 times out of 100 it’s not what the player says it’s how they say it, Andrew Hore’s comment is a perfect example of this.
And this is the way to talk to refs, be polite and crack a joke without arguing with them.
I remember it, watching at the time. One of the best plaintiff submissions I have heard in a lifetime of rugby - Andrew Hore was just the man to lodge it with the court too.
Lol nonu and Bismarck weren't. That's for sure
I yearn for something like this in football: the crowding of referees there is disgusting.
If rugby players can be expected to control themselves, so should footballers, if they are professionals, if they are adults.
not for a sport based in UK....their main word is 'ag fuck off' as a norm....they'd all get red cards
2:56 the greatest ref line ever!
6:05. That scream was like the goats in the new Thor movie.
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“AH MAIS TU FAIS CHIER, Y A RIEN!!!”
“Venez là, venez là. Tu fais chier!
🟥
Made my day 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It would be unwise to tell a ref to "piss off" even if he *didn't* speak French. :D
Barnes really should have sent Vunipola off in the clip at around 1:20 - consistent warnings and not backing down. But yeah, never tire of seeing that Hartley red card.
Vunipola and half the Saracens players should be carded more often as they are doing it consistently throughout games every week
“I’m a grown-ass man” Billy says, as he has a tantrum about not wanting to stand somewhere else.
Agreed. What use is repeated warning without sanction?
Poor Dylan was just misunderstood.
He called Barnesy a “fucking cheat”…. nothing to be misunderstood there
my favourite moments are when a player looks like he's about to go... angrily discuss the decision with the referee and someone from his team stops him with a "no tf you're not" look
Or an opposing player, as in the "Christopher!" incident.
So good to see Luke Pearce resurrect the 10m penalty. We need to see more of this.
Yes…where did that go? Great to see it back however
@@theglumrant9477 it happens in league in AU every now & then - it should happen more often if the players decide to talk crap to the ref.
Sexton really should have been punished more, he is so gobby.
I’d have sent him off, he lacks any kind of respect and integrity for the game, there’s been so many assaults on referees in Ireland, referees are fed up and the IRFU are talking to the Irish government to the point where they’ve had to get the police or Garda involved, they don’t realise by making sexton captain the shit rolls down hill, sexton is no role model, he’s bad for the game of rugby,.
I played rugby during my university years and the first rule is that you do not talk back to the referee. You say yes sir and if you have any complaints, you tell your captain, who was the only one allowed to talk to the referee, and always with respect.
Not the first time I have seen a player out for some minutes for yelling "harmless things" like "Are you blind?" or stuff like that.
"No need to call me sir, I'm from West Wales! "
@@kaitlinbilous4605 it was the last Varsity match he refereed, the Cambridge hooker threw a lineout squint, Nigel called it and said to the player "I'm straighter than that" You really should have seen the look on the player's face.
@@adamcarreras-neal4697 iconic
We teach kids not to talk back by penalising it. I don't understand at what point in a professional player's career they decide that it no longer applies to them.
Because they’re people not autonomous robots. Playing competitive sport that’s highly physical like rugby you get caught up in the emotion of it
Probably because kids careers aren’t on the line and could potentially be decided by a poor decision. Unlike professional players
Because the media and fans worship their favourite players, so the players eventually start to believe all the hype. They like to collect the “professional” paycheque, sign the autographs, take the selfies, screw the groupies, and read about themselves in the paper, but forget about the sacrifice and discipline that got them to the top. Ego takes over and becomes arrogance. Try that sort of behaviour the next time you disagree with your boss in public. Flap your arms, scream like a stuck pig, swear and prance around while berating a person with authority over you. See what happens. If it happens once in the heat of the moment, it’s more understandable, but for serial offenders like Biggar, Farrell, Vunipola, Sinckler, O’Gara, and Hartley the coaches should have made it clear: you are hurting the team. Shut the f*ck up, or you can watch from the stands.
You're more likely to talk back when you believe you know how the game works and what's happened.
@@1990themule still no excuse to be rude, just becasue Im annoyed at a worker in a shop doesnt mean I should abuse them
I'm not a Rugby fan and follow football. I absolutely love this. I've been watching footy for over 46 years and bemoan the deterioration of aspects of the game. Prima Donna footballers f-ing and blinding with complete abandon, often trying to ref the game and getting away with it could do with regular doses of this.
The first thing I was taught over fifty years ago about rugby ' Always ' call the ref Sir.
@@kenmacfarlane8744 The other thing I was taught was the 2 main rules: !. The ref is always right, and 2.If the ref is wrong, rule 1 applies.
Just imagine how many yards a football team would advance with a free kick with the other side bitching, swearing and throwing tantrums.
....thats 10 yards...
... thats another 10 yards...
OK so thats a penalty!
@@1chish In football, they'd end up outside the ground lol
@@kenmacfarlane8744
Agreed Ken. AND never speak to him at all unless he speaks to you first.*
"Unless you're the captain which never applied in my case.
"CHRISTOPHER? Thank you!" Nigel you absolute legend!
My favourite has to be where George Ford says something to the ref and he replies deadpan “oh I’ve changed my mind now.” and Ford just sulks off
I love how some of this varies from a captain - Chris Robshaw - just slightly being warned by a referee to players outright swearing at a referee.
different refs have different tempers I guess.
You know these people have class when the referee says "this is not soccer"
As much as i love him as a Sarries fan, Billy V's mouth has let club and country down many times over the years.
That is because he is a grub, just another big mouth islander with a chip on his shoulder and no ticker under pressure..
"ERR Christopher!!! " "Sorry sir" Like being scolded by your dad!!!
“This is not soccer.” Absolutely right. Some traditions should not change
I love it at 2:56. It really is that simple. 'I'm the ref, not you. You do your job, and i'll do mine. Get on with the game."
3:05 "This is not soccer" fucking love it
1:25 “last chance. Do you want to go?”
“I’m a grown arse man!”
I’m sorry, that’s not answering my question🤣🤣🤣
Man telling Ma'a Nonu off must be terrifying. The guys a beast.
Nigel Owens with raised eyebrows: "Christopher". What a legend.
I don't watch rugby,but these guys are hard as hell ,but do as they are told by the Ref,Football players could learn a lot from Rugby.
I couldn’t have some jumped up ref treating me like a school boy
Barnes being very very lenient with Vunipola, so good to see shortly after Luke pearce marching him and his team back 20 meters for it. Also liked Tom Foley's approach "I'll keep going". Makes a statement even more so than the 10m penalty, the sooner said player stops throwing their toys out of the pram and gets on with the game, the less territory it'll cost them!
And if referees improved their standards, the less backchat they would get!
@@stevenmcalister826 You can complain about the referees as much as you like, just not on the pitch, with foul language, and during play. If we accept that kind of behaviour, the sport goes the way of football, and it trickles all the way down to the grassroots.
It's imperative that the referees draw a line in the sand as they have been doing, and make it clear. We must put our faith in the Unions to ensure good officiating - the alternative is a game riddled with man-children screaming in the referee's face for every decision they disagree with, which is not only tiresome, but dangerous in a contact sport.
@@daredemontriple6 That’s where you’re wrong, you can’t complain off the pitch either. Anthony Watson was suspended for 1 week because he dare make a comment on the referee’s decision’s after a game. Almost reinforcing that people can’t ever question what a referee thinks, talk about a god complex.
@@stevenmcalister826 And Rassie Erasmus was banned for a year for making a video complaining. Both of these are correct decisions. Law 6.5a "The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match". It's literally enshrined in the laws that the referee is always right. It's not a god complex, it's about maintaining order on the field in what is a dangerous game. You can't have players and coaches publicly criticising officials otherwise you erode the authority they have on the field.
Both Erasmus and Watson have a responsibility to keep their opinions private and to make any complaints they have through the proper channels.
@@Savoycabbage You’re forgetting the key words “DURING A MATCH.”
This channel is great but I must admit you must have a never ending set of Venn diagrams for all your vids! :)
I'll take that as a compliment! They probably look like they require a lot of effort, imagination and research but they actually don't take that long at all, this one took me less than a few hours from start to finish :)
Sinckler knows all about grass cutter tackles, he loves giving them.
"This is not soccer" Nigel Owens is the GOAT of referee comebacks.
Even better one liner from him was in a line-out. Throw wasn't straight, the hoover argued and nicely said, mate I'm straighter than that throw
Referee: I don’t tell you how to play, don’t tell me how to ref
Also Ref: ROLL AWAY TACKLER!!!!!!
I practised a look of pained, puzzled innocence for occasions when I was penalised.
But I always accepted the refs decision because that's what you are taught to do.
I do remember one time though, we were penalised for pushing early in a scrum.
Next scrum, just before we packed down, I said to the ref "can you keep an eye on them, Sir, they're pulling early" . He laughed.
I knew Biggar and Farrell would be here 😂😂😂
Love these Referees. For me they have complete command on the game, which is impressive when you have to officiate and control 30 strong, adrenalised competitive players!
I like how respectful the refs are forget the players
As a football nerd this is new to me and I like it. Should be introduced to football. Very very nice.
That advancing 10 metres if someone argues should be applied in football every time the Big Girls Blouses witter and moan at the Referee.
And a yellow in football should mean Sin Bin for 10 as well.
i love that rugby refs have so much power in the game. and couldnt agree more. #respect
I wish every ref would be as respected and also has that much power over any sports game
I need to start watching rugby. This is fascinating
I wish they did this in American football and basketball.
When I played rugby , nobody except the captains were allowed to talk to the ref
Sinckler's reaction sums up his rotten attitude pretty nicely.
He has calmed down a great deal in the last couple of years.
If only refs had the same respect, communication skills and simplicity in a football game.
Sexton: “you said if I spoke to you in a constructive way…” - nothing constructive about haranguing the ref after he’s already explained his decision twice you div.
Was Sexton being constructive way? We’ll never know because the ref kept speaking over him and clearly loves the sound of his own voice too much. Must’ve taken advice from Whitehouse.
@@stevenmcalister826 Listening to players is always at the referee's discretion.
Fast reactions from Hooper saved his daft teammate. Impressive. Would love to see 10m rule in soccer... 😶
It was there for a while, refs never used it and when they did the pundits and commentators moaned about it, got scraped in the end up.
@@imperial109 I didn't know.. thanks :)
nigal owens gotta be one of the best refs 😅
I have no idea what's going on, but I love the way the Refs lay things down.
‘Have the respect to look at me when I talk to you’ love this!!
I remember a referee at school games complaining that the youngsters follow the behaviour of professionals. At a school game I remember a kid getting his ass whipped by his father after a game, cause he continuously disrespected the ref who was a friend of his father.
I used to referee quite a lot of age group rugby. In my experience the parents' behaviour is far, far worse than their children.
Dan Biggar. Brain of a footballer.
yeah no
@@cardigan3000 Seems yes to me
"This is not soccer" 😂😂...bloody refs 😄
when Nigel told a player to come back in 2 weeks if he wants soccer rules.
Favourite thing is only one Sexton clip 🤣 he’s always at it!
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I love my football and rugby but there’s no doubt the way football players treat the refs and even more how the refs treat the players puts the game to shame and it causes the refs to always feel the players are against them and vice versa , they should be working together as much as possible, for example in rugby I love how the refs will actually earn the players for poor play or time wasting , they will actually say this isn’t good for our game of rugby, I love that
It's a thin line between chat and backchat, but when they get it wrong, they NEED this to happen. It's a pillar of the game, or we're no better than the festering turds in football!
It’s already become like football the RFU’s and world rugby do very little about it at top level, how the game is referees at top level is the reason abuse is growing the professionals have their own set of contentions & interpretations that means kids and adults try what they see on tv get penalised and then give abuse and get sent off. Football is bad because the refuse to sort the actually issue out, the game of rugby and how it’s referees at the top level to grassroots is wider than the Amazon, in football it’s still very much the same set of laws, conventions & interpretations.
*conventions, sodding autocorrect
i have no idea what any of them said but im absolutely enthralled
Why not like the video? This guy did a great job on it 🔥
It's an odd combo of refs telling the players to stop being babies but still being allowed to physically make contact with the ref as long as it's not harmful conduct.
In AFL they'd get a penalty for laying a single finger on the umpire lol
If you don't say where the line is you get what you tolerate.
I like how there's no Angus Gardner. He knows how to officiate in a manner that keeps players' discipline in place without looking like he's got a superiority complex. His famous interaction with Perenara shows that he's never quick to assume that players are just being trouble-makers, and you can tell that they respect him for that.
Alternative point of view: it makes it look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Very fine line to tread on that one.
If this was a football compilation it would be 4 hours long
Another amazing video!
No need and shouting that should be yellow card you might walk of with one too brilliant 😂😂😂
I love how’s there a mutual respect players and refs, instead of in America the refs go on ego trips thinking people there to see them.
That is why I love rugby
Wow I never knew the refs are so militant. Love it 👍🏻
The funniest clip ever is 'Amy stop counting' after the opponent started a countdown after the 'use it'
"This is not soccer" What a great call from the ref!
Still can’t Believe Dylan is denying this to this day... so sad to see.
he denies that he said it to Barnes, but said it was at Tom youngs. Can understand why Barnes thought it was at him though, he'd already warned Hartley for his verbal conduct already
@@philipeafroboy1 And a Red... that was the shocking bit. Ruined a potentially interesting final.
@@chocolateagh You don't referee on the basis that whatever you do must not spoil the game.
@@chocolateagh yea, but if the referee thinks a player is calling him a cheat, that's as red a card as you'll ever see on a rugby field. You may disagree with the ref's decision, you can even challenge them in the right circumstances, but calling them a cheat is beyond the pale. Calling them incompetent is better than calling them corrupt when their role is to maintain the integrity of the competition.
The point thats missed with this decision is that not 60 secs before Barnes had said to Hartley "if you say anything else and I think it is directed at me you will be off"
I do like how the refs handle the players who swear. Like the first example, it happens too often in football/soccer, so you can imagine how many players would get sent off!
Rugby refs are the best, hard game to control, all respect to them.
Missed out Owen Farrell v Romaine Poite in SA 2018; "Thank you very much for your concern, Owen", in response to a characteristic Faz Jr spray.
That video should be shown in every soccer school
5:14 man was brought back to his days as a child he his mom said his name and not son.
The reactors that have looked at the rough side of rugby, need too see this post. 😂❤😂❤
Interesting that there very few Englishmen involved in the backchat.
7:30 is the absolute best one. (translation)
ref: stop talking and go off
player: FUCKS sake nothing happened!
ref: come here, come here... you're pissing me off *red*
I thought it was more like "piss off, nothing happened", "no, *you* piss off" *red* , but yes.
@@CaptainPedant "fait chier" is just an expression of frustration. can't be directed at anyone unless they say "il me fait chier" :)
@@Ezox2408 I'd be the first to admit that I don't curse all that well in French :)
Regardless of which is more accurate, I've been wanting to see a translation of that exchange. Thanks!
1st clip was when barns earned my deepest respect
Aaah I love rugby just utterly respect none of this football crap where you go mad shout and swear at the ref
"you come and ask for a yellow card, you get one"
"yep. thank you"
6:04 the screaming 🤣
I honestly don't know too much about rugby but I wish other team sports were refereed like this as well.
should apply it to soccer!!!
Sinckler is a real piece of work.
Law 9.28 "Players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions."
unless they are from new zealand
6:04 the man looked so defeated when he was told he couldnt scream like that
Need this in football.