Unicorn Overlord EXPERT Guide | Making A Case for Early Game Lex | Character Overview
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- Lex has been widely discussed as one of the worst early game characters in Unicorn Overlord, but is that his fault? Or does he just need a little bit of help?
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00:00 Intro
01:07 The Lex Problem
06:14 Mock Battles
10:10 Outro - Hry
I give him the ring that has him give an attack buff before the first character attacks. Without archers around his passive point goes to waste.
He can also take griffin knights and featherswords attacks as they are considered ranged.
Same that makes Lex more useful befor we get flying units and mages.
Yeah Lex is similar to a fighter with some different skills. I consider the fighters not to be too useful. At least they are better than houscarl. Housecarl has valor skill vitalize though, which I use all the time.
I did that one strategy where he’s paired up with a gryphon knight and a witch (in this case Yhana), and gave him the viper fang focusing on armored and lowest hp units with poison slash while guarding the gryphon. I can’t remember if that was your strategy or someone else’s, but it’s been great none the less! I’m especially looking forward to getting Fran to replace the generic gryphon I have in his team right now. Just too see what she can do, and if this team will be more powerful than using a generic gryphon.
I haven't tried this. But you could backline him to use his arrow cover on a frontlineTheif-tank.
They'd still be vulnerable to any other true accuracy weapons, but that'd still take Hunters off the table, which seem to be the most common true accuracy unit
That’s would I did in my playthrough, backline lex and Chloe with Travis as a dodge tank. Surprisingly effective, they turned out to be one of my better squads.
I put him backrow with Chloe and a Griffon with Oclys acting as an evade tank, then give him extra pp items so he can arrow guard multiple times
Before Lex has a chance to attack, he's already blocked 4 attacks with his face and died.
We might get a surprise later. Typically unit types that are terrible in the beginning, become OP when they get a promotion. Good vid, won't give up on Alexis just yet.
I run him in the back line with Travis. It's great for protecting Travis from Archers.
Anybody run a fighter with +Init growth and accessory yet? I feel like attacking early would change the whole feel of the class
@@Xoulrath_that’s what I do. It’s a great combo
@@ethanc1121I feel like they need the dancers braclet, gives them something to use their pp on when there’s no archers which helps his action economy a lot. If they’re front lining it could be an option but don’t think they make good front liners compared to Alain, Hoplites, Thieves, a group of cavs, etc.
The one moment where Lex felt really strong to me was in the mission with Ochlys. For the final stretch I swapped him to party leader so I could charge easily charge through the ranged assists.
I was thinking the same. Literally that quest was so annoying without him
You could provoke the archer out of their tower to the fort before the bridge and it's easy picking
I've put Lex in the back with Chloe and a Griffin with Oclys as an evasion tank, equip him with a couple items that increase his pp so he can arrow guard more times
9:34 really showing that tanking, huh;
even if He fell, He fell taking 5+ hits
Exactly!
Also the last hit was from Joseph. A lvl 20 unit.
@@aureliodeprimus8018 with the magic sword that best pierces Lex defenses.
Thanks for the video dude. Excellent work.
Much appreciated chief, I'm doing my best! 😁
What!? Mr.odd is playing this game, gotta check that out
Yep, I've been making this case, even though I don't think the fighter is that great. But because of that, just like a clean slate, they can fill almost any role with gear. You can't do that with really any class except maybe Alain.
I got Ochlys immediately I found her though and his arrowguard became really useful in her black-ops striketeam for taking out enemy nests.
I will do what I can to salvage this man.
When promote he gain 1 pasive and 1 active actions :
Pasive : Taunt - 1 PP : Taunt 1 line and up his guard rate by 50%
Active : Centinel Attack : Single target x2hit of 75 power and 100% Hit chance : Efect : +50 phy def and if the atck hit , +1 pp
Surely for me gonna be so good whit taunt he can be back laner and centre completly ranged atack for him.
You can se this if you star a new game and see the Galerius team : he has 2 promoted fighters
I keep Lex in the back. I let Travis tank up front. Then Lex can protect Travis from an Archer shot. I've run them with Alain, Chloe, and Clive and I tend to lean towards Chloe since she can wipe an Archer column when the unit runs into more than one Archer.
Now, once I get access to the full game, the comp will certainly change. But Lex guaranteeing the arrow block lets Travis tank like crazy without worrying as much about Archers. Ideally I'd like to get that fourth slot open and run Yahna. A crit build Travis, hitting twice with Passive Steal, buffed by magick, has been really nice.
I think as soon as I open up that fourth slot, I'm going to run Travis, Chloe, Lex, and Yahna.
I like to get real specific with arrow block, if archers are in the enemy unit, block scouts, and a separate one for if scout has less than 1pp. Really goes a long way to help with survivability, even if it just burns one more enemy attack
@@xanderismellow I haven't found the need to do that, since the Archers seem to always target Travis. I'd imagine that True attacks are programmed to target high evasion.
As for other Tactics tricks, I actually got some item with the ability to buff a character's Attack. I think that it's called Dancer something. I gave it to Lex, and it activates only if there are no Archers present. That way Lex ends up buffing Travis when he doesn't need an arrow blocked. If he does, then Lex just doesn't buff him.
I've been insanely impressed by how much flexibility and variety this game offers.
@@Xoulrath_ it's more that if a ranged unit with higher initiative than an Archer attacks Travis, Lex won't burn the arrow block and if Travis still has the passive points to evade, same thing. And the dancers bracelet is good but I have that on a griffin, because as long as they don't take damage, they won't need their pp.
@@xanderismellow like I said, I love the game's flexibility. I haven't needed to change the settings for Lex's block because I've only run into Archers so far. Once I need to make adjustments, I'll likely do something similar to what you've done.
Ah Lex. The Dan Hibiki of the game.
If you are unfamiliar with Mr. Hibiki, he is a character known quite well in the Street Fighter series as a sort of joke character that lives in the shadow of some clearly more capable characters.
But much like Dan in some games, while he looks inferior at first, if you know what your doing and can make use of his strengths, he is much stronger than he appears.
Yeah, for now at least, I've found success with Lex as a back row unit to protect Travis from Archers. The best comp that I've found thus far is with Chloe, who can wipe a column of Archers, while also providing some healing.
I never got far enough, even with two playthroughs, to unlock the fourth slot. I plan to add Yahna to the unit once I've done so and see how that works.
Ahhh love this comment
Yattaze OYAJI!!!!
Lex has actually been one of my mainstays since my very first playthrough of the demo.
As you mentioned, having him equip any sword that gives him an attack skill other than his starting skill makes him immediately viable.
I prefer the poison sword over the sanguine blade, since it's available almost from the beginning and makes him a great addition to almost any setup.
Your suggestion about pairing him up with a flying unit has me wondering if the accessory that gives the magic block passive skill can be used by Gryphon Knights?
If it can, then having them pair up to cover each other's weaknesses would be pretty great, and if there's an axe that gives an attack skill that causes the burn condition somewhere in the game, then stacking poison and burn would be a no brainer 😃
Awesome video! Goes to show that *sometimes* a Jack-of-all-trades can be more interesting and helpful than a specialist.
Gonna round out the starting characters by helping us with Chloe, next?
Alain, Josef, Lex and especially Chloe are very dear characters to me. For having lived and trained alongside one another for a decade, I feel like they all deserve to stay in the army story-wise, so having a genuine reason they deserve to stay gameplay-wise makes me feel good.
I'll keep building up these four and bruteforce them through the entire game if I have to, but it helps to know I'm not alone in *wanting* them all to work out.
Yeah, I liked giving Lex the Viperfang to poison enemies, but sadly, he ran into the same problem of being too slow to take advantage of it much. I do like Lex, but there's just not much he can do that others don't do better... xD
Right now, my Lex tanks for an anti-evasion team with Chloe and led by Rolf. He serves his purpose there just fine - defensive backup to the back line strikers
I actually think Front Line Lex with Back Line Chloe, Rolf, and Auch is fantastic. Lex can take quite the beating, get minor heals from Chloe when needed, and that allows Auch and Rolf to pop off with no interference.
I will have to say that I did give Lex the Viper Blade, but since it was so early in the game everyone had already used up actions so the person poisoned didn't really take extra damage.
The Viper Blade definitely needs to be on a fast unit since it will only proc if the target has AP. I gave mine to Travis, and set it so that it only activates when Armored are present, since that's really its best use to drain high HP targets. Against squishies, it's better to run Passive Steal.
@@Xoulrath_ I did that too but he don't seem to use it as much even when the conditions are met. But I guess that is because he steals first
Great UO content. Just as i was getting the hang of the game the Demo ended. 🤬 I'm going to start from the beginning and play it again
Lol. Same. I replayed it as well. I'm seriously considering speed running it a third time to get that much further before I get the game next week.
This is the way
I used my first demo run to listen to all the story stuff I could find, my second run to speed through things and find more story stuff that I missed and I'm on my third, trying to optimize my exploring path to get as many levels and honor so I can transfer this file to the full game once it gets here 😂
I made a safe right after recruiting Aubin and go from there when I Start over (4th time now) so I've got the tutorial out of the way😊
One thing I found him useful for was specifically because he lacked any particularly great AP or PP actions (at least until 15) he was one of the few classes who COULD use a lot of the items. Things like the cool swords are obvious, but he's also really good for some of the nice Passive action accessories like the Dancer's Bracelet to buff his allies.
Yep, I've been making this case, even though I don't think the fighter is that great. But because of that, just like a clean slate, they can fill almost any role with gear. You can't do that with really any class except maybe Alain.
I got Ochlys immediately I found her though and his arrowguard became really useful in her black-ops striketeam for taking out enemy nests.
His class’s starting ap action is actually good lex just doesn’t have the initiative for it. Fighters ( specifically them supporting griffins) can be good. They just need to have better growths then lex ideally go getter+ something else depending on the other units in the squad. Once they have 2 ap even with sanguine blade you’ll still want their first action to be used to buff their defense followed up by a heal. Honestly lex’s starting attack will realistically get more Valuable once the game is out so enemies and Allies have more actions. Right now it’s roughly even with the lord’s attack with the lord arguably better but sometimes they can have too much initiative to gain the healing value though this is a much easier problem to solve since you can just add target 0 ap to make sure the enemy attacks first. But to keep up the lord would be using both actions on their healing attack and lex can just use one ap on their tanking caps as far as not considering other skills go and you could stack sanguine blade on top hitting once to buff defense and once to regain hp taken. You really need things that fear archers or other ranged enemies like knights fearing griffons for them to be particularly good but griffons and knights are both excellent classes so helping with their weaknesses is a perfectly serviceable niche
@@ultimaterecoil1136According to a comment by MarkMacias you can actually see promoted fighters among Valmores unit in the intro. Promoted Fighters apparently can learn Taunt as a passive ability and a double strike attack that gives them defense and pp on hit.
I had a group with Lex in the front row, with Clive, Berenice, and Sharon in the back. It was my highest damage dealing group untilafter Fran and Co. joined up, even out-damaging Josef's group in some cases. Now i have promoted Virginia in his spot and moved him over to Fran's squad. That Virginia squad is a beast, and shes the only promoted unit in it. Unfortunately i havent had much chance to see how Lex does with Fran's group cause Virginia and Alain's squads butcher everything before he gets there
Fighters (not Lex specifically) are countered by TankBusters, so Warriors and anything that can apply GuardSeal but at the same time they hard-counter ANYTHING that relies on 'Ranged'attacks. And you'd be surprised how many attacks fall into that category.
Furthermore their stats are "average" in most aspects compared to a Hopelite, where the main selling-point soley focus around tanking physical hits (while also getting demolished by TankBusters as well) whereas Fighters can deal respectable single-target damage, take and tank a magical attack and have average Initiative to join the rest of the team in their attackstrings.
Something I found out works well is pairing Fighters with any class that has some level of access to 'Burn' as a status-effect (Mage, Shaman and Wyvern Master). All those classes like having a Fighter covering them from ranged attacks, too, while the Fighter can apply Burn-stacks at the same time (via Blazing Rapier weapon), which usually results in higher DPS than straight autoattacks. This also gives him a much more useful 1 AP attack when compared to Warden Slash (That attack is just bad, no matter how you look at it).
Of course, you can still go for the ShieldBash and stun in certain situations. His 2 AP attack is rarely worth the resources, unless it would finish off the enemy by the time his (Fighters) turn starts.
Fighters are far from being bad. They are just a tool and their usefulness depends on the someone using those tools.
I personally rely more on Fighters for a "mixed" group that's supposed to be a flexible one rather than having a Hoplite-frontline that definitely gets wasted as soon as it faces some sort of magic damage (or magic support for that matter).
I think the biggest weakness of the Fighter class lies in the fact that it has a bad AP/PP household and no natural way to gain extra resources by it's own. That's why Shields and other items that help out with that are pretty good on that class.
He exists to keep your flying units from getting 1 tapped by archers, and he is invaluable as a lead on maps with many ranged assists. Saying fighter is bad because he doesn't do a lot of damage is like saying knight is bad because they struggle with fliers. That isn't the point of the unit.
@@gjfwangarrows are the most common thing that shoots down your flyers.
I always have a fighter in my flying teams to cover and arrows
Its literally the classic Tank, DPS, Healer system 😂 Tanks aren't meant to do dmg, they're meant to reduce and reroute dmg, and barring those, just take it themselves
I put Lex in a Squad with berenice, joseph and rolph. Giving him the strongest Sword in game so far and the pursuit ring. This Squad is sick, but yeah its a bit overpowered, especially the sword. But on the fullversion, if Rolph hits level 15 and get pursuit as well, its just one attack after another by this squad. Im looking forward to this :D
Extra pursuits set up killing chain for Berenice as well, which is tight.
Good discussion. I like my custom Fighter more because of his stat spread, but Lex still has his uses. Currently I have him tanking with Runic Sword so he can get that big hit in on whoever needs it near the end of combat.
Would love to see a video about Gladiators, I feel like they’re also in the camp of not being very good yet.
Gladiators will be discussed! Gonna do a comprehensive class overview, a tier list, then start in depth videos on each class.
I used a combination of lex, Chloe to heal and pierce, later Berenice to get good damage on heavy’s and use pursuit, and in drakenhold Leah for quick attacks on scouts and Wyverns. The unit is strong enough to take down my promoted Alain unit with Clive Quinn and a debugging shaman so I believe lex is one of the best mid tier blocking yet strong mini tanks in the game
I do actually wonder if your planning of making an video about the characters growth rates from the E to S as in how often will an specific stat increase with each level up?
Not quite that atm, but I do have a stats video script nearly done.
red hair blue eyes, alain blue hair red eyes- have a feeling they are gonna be connected in the story as well later on.
Glad to see some love for Lex, with everyone dunking on him for the entire demo, lol
i love that you created a unit that hard countered your "ace" squad, and pretended that lex had anything to do with their success, at least a Hoplite would have prevented your sellsword from nearly being one shotted. I noticed you for some reason had your shaman waste her action by slowing the already slow lex, instead of doing an offensive curse on the stacked back line, which since you set up the grphon knight to attack the back line, you know how to do this. Since your willing to do this sort of manipulation to make your point, it would not surprise me if you did not set your equipment to get the outcome you wanted as well
The shield that improves your mag defense by like 30 is good to sit in the inventory for units like Lex. Focus on his gaurd rate and he can be really flexible defensively.
Love this because I did have a weird time placing him.
For myself and my very weird army setup I have him on my backline with specific block triggers for my backliners so he doesn't use his PP for tanking everything, just when I need him to. I also gave him a poison sword since his damage was low the enemy would still be taking hits even with his low output.
The squad he's in I primarily use as my "tank/stamina burner" where they can soak and heal so much damage that tougher units burn their stamina on them while still taking some chip damage while my other squads take out their allies/rest/position themselves.
It needs some TLC but it's working pretty well for me on my own runs.
Comments have convinced me to try a Travis Lex team on the game when it releases. I've been using Lex as a frontline with leader Clive in the back for the move speed and decent damage and decent defense.
Thanks for all the vids. ❤ Can we get team group suggestions? 🥺 I go from a BA team to trash team so many times by changing put 1 person a lot of times. 😅 I have not find any suggestions
When I paired Lex with a Hoplite and Griffon Rider, with Lex in the back row, once he leveled up to lvl 5 and i gave him a stronger sword he was much more effective when i teamed him with a Hoplite and a Horse rider or later a Griffon Rider
I love Lex. He's saved Alain from many a wyvern/griffin shitter lol
Fighters in ogrebattle are not great. However; you can turn fighters into werewolves, or class then up to be knights, paladins. Lex is definitely better than people give him credit. A level 4 squad Clive, Lex, and the very 1st axe wielding mercenary you get were killing level 8 units. (At the church.North part of the map.)
I stuck the hoplite next to him during the demo and it worked. I just got the griffin knight so I'll try him there and see how it goes.
I don't understand why everyone thinks he's bad, the ranged assist resist leader trait is invaluable. I used him as the frontliner on expert difficulty for Mandrin's map and his unit solo carried. People just see him get his ass handed to him in the tutorial and go with their first impression.
Honestly, I just stuck him in the same squad as Alain, and they work well together. I've only played the demo and have 3 characters per unit right now, but once I get a cleric on their team it'll really shine.
Lex doesn't need to run his own unit when it's obvious the guy would prefer to fight next to his best friend.
My Lex never left my 2nd team and was lead for a good amount of time throughout. I always pulled him out for archers and he is fairly tanky/bulky for other general purposes.
I left him in the dust before I even got to Drakenhold lol. I regret nothing.
I really want Lex to be good.. I felt that no matter what i did with him, his unit would be my worst performing in battle.
Yet in mock battles his unit would be a stalemate against Alains unit, n even defeat Josefs unit?! There's potential, ima let him cook n give him a real chance in my real playthrough for sure.
There is always use for a tanky dude. Even if he has weaknesses.
He's not necessary when running flying units at all. It's way better to just boost the initiative of flying units, so they can move first (using the plume items).
Just having a single angel plume (that gives +20 initiative + the tailwind PP ability that boosts initiative by another 20 for flying units for an entire row) can guarantee you move first throughout the entire demo.
And since gryphons can hit the back row, you can just kill archers before they can even move.
Moreover, the witch equipped with that freezing tome item you get from the witch tower, is a way better combination as well. That lets you freeze an entire row.
Since I've removed the fighter from my flying unit, it has become a WAY better unit. In fact, the more I play this game, the worse I think fighter is. I only still run one fighter in all my units, and that's just for story reasons.
Idk man, I'd rather have the protection for worst case scenarios.
Lex first two level ups: only HP.
Gives HP talisman.
You've picked your life.
I like lex but I am still trying to figure out a good build for and learning that he could get better makes it even more exciting
I waas wondering if you knew where in the game they explain "growth types"- for exemple, Lex has "growth type 1: hardy" and "growth type 2: defensive" and I can't for the life of me understand what it means! Thank you for the quick videos about this cool game :D
Lex has been fantastic for me, absolutely carries me against cavalry heavy maps and guarding my anti cavalry
We will need these all-rounders/off-tanks more when we unlock a fifth character slot in squads. Two people in front minumum is no joke.
He doesn't fight like a loser. He just looks like one 😂
I put him in the backrow together with Chloe, in the same team as Alain. There is really no reason for him to be up front at the beginning and the fact both he and Chloe came equipped with gear that gives a bonus to XP gain made me think they are better suited as XP sponges that take place in as many battles as possible. I think they would go great with Josef too in a sort of "this guy is beastly at the start but weak later and these guys are the opposite" squad.
Same here, but i actually put him in the front with Alain. One left one right and they split the hits pretty well between each other. Then set Chloe to prefer to heal Lex and you have a solid compact all-rounder squad.
promotion does a hell lot for him, hes absolute terrible before promoting him and even worse without the sanguine blade or some other gear that heals him, having a cleric babysitter just for him isn't really worth, luckily sanguine can be rushed to have it in the first 30min of the game
He might be good toward the middle of the game if he is allowed to use his Provoke passive. I do not think many witches or warlocks are in the same squad as archers.
I benched lex midway through drachenhold.
Raised him back up in the mid-lategame for 5 minutes before I decided a wyvernmaster tank with a promoted sellsword (cant pronounce or spell that class name) equipped with a squire's shield in the backline to catch arrows was a better investment.
I just have a general dislike for fighters/vanguards. Almost feels like vanillaware knows they're arent good with how much more leigonares you encounter. Hell I think I seen more werebears than fighters/vanguards through the whole game...
Sounds like some of his stats, like his speed, don't quite line up with his active skills.
Yeah, that's a fighter problem in general.
I think the issue is his tanking skill is against arrows. Great at protecting flyers and theives but not much else.
For whatever reason, Flying enemies count as range attacks
Where is this Sanguine Sword and how to get it?
Return to the starter idlan by unlocking the port in the first town you start next to. On starter island, the first of the two towns has the sword.
Alain really only needs lean edge under 50% hp, I actually like the rune blade more on him than Josef, losing out on pp from Alice means losing out on his follow up attacks. Josef is a real monster if you tinker with his tactics to only protect low health Allie’s (or 0 pp thieves)
I actually ran him with Alain and Chloe in the squad and give him Runic Blade so he could use Magick Attack.
Is it an automatic kill everything squad? No. Is it surprisingly solid and versatile? Yes. He and Alain actually complement each other very well on the front, especially once Alain has his lvl 5 protect.
Also just a single question, Titanium. Did you pre-order the special edition online? I tried to pre-order it at the local retailer, but they still aren`t able to.
I can see that being a very resilient squad, for sure. Tanky, healing, decent damage. Not bad at all.
I got my order in back in January, thru Amazon.
@@TitaniumLegmanYeah, i always prefer it to order through local retailers, if possible. Maybe it is possible tomorrow.
@@aureliodeprimus8018 don't have much in the way of local here, sadly, or I'd do the same.
@@TitaniumLegmanAh, sounds like a very rural area you live in.
As much as i love Atlus side stuff like Odinsphere and Muramasa's visuals, coupled with tactics gameplay, it might be a miss.
Perfect pickup for my switch lite though.
Edit: theres a demo. We will see
I found him to be great with Chloe and Aubin. I Put on the accessory that gives + 10 HP and the set up let's Aubin go ham in the back.
Aubin helps Lex and Chloe's damage as well, very solid.
He's a good boi who's doing his very best.
Is Lex a Unicorn Overlord equivalent of an Est-type character from Fire Emblem?
Hard to say. Given the way stats work in this, I'd say no, unless fighter as a class really scales up by late game.
Lex: I'm here to ward off the Archer Squad.
Archer Squad: **proceeds to not show up enough for Lex to matter that much**
The Best way to describe lex is that he is Roy from fire emblem blazing sword FE6 for short where he feel Weaker than all of your units combine until endgame where he get strong do to promotion and a sword that is so busted it can defeat that final boss underlevel
Personally I like Lex for his Provoke skill more than anything else that he can offer in the demo. Somehow I don't see much people talk about this skill. I find it very good in controlling the flow in battle.
Provoke is great for sure.
Personally I think Travis makes the best use of the rune blade. PP steal doesn't work if the enemy guards and if there is a hoplite they will cover and guard to stop you from taking any PP so he loses nothing by using Magick attack instead when there are hoplites around.
But what's his magic stat?
Well it seems a little bit unfair to credit Josef's higher magic stat when he has a huge level advantage and promotion bonuses. Travis would certainly have higher magic attack if he was Josef's level and promoted. If we were just looking at stats, then Monica or Miriam would be better than either of them. Level 20 Josef has 11 phys atk and 16 mag atk. Level 10 Travis has 12 phys atk and 13 mag atk. So yes, Josef is slightly ahead. The point though, is how well the runesword compliments his kit.
The runesword's Magick Attack is most useful against units with higher phys def and poor mag def, such as armored units and most classes that use shields which grant them extra phys def and guard rate. It's not very useful against enemies with better mag def than phys def, such as gladiators or backrow units like hunters and casters.
Thieves' default attacks are weak multi hits which inherently makes them ineffective against high defense targets. i.e. 20 atk - 10 def = 10 dmg vs. 10 atk - 10 def twice = 0 dmg.
Poison throw is ranged and very good for targeting backrow (which also generally have poor defense, which is good since this is a multi hit), but if there is a fighter, they will deflect it and if there is a hoplite they will cover and take essentially no damage because if their high defense.
Passive steal doesn't work when guarded and is also a multi hit, making it very poor against anyone with good defense and / or a good guard rate, which hoplites and fighters have both.
Magick attack is great into hoplites and fighters because their mag defense is significantly lower than their phys. def. Pretty much every other class is either the opposite, or the difference between their two defenses is negligible.
The situations in which the thieves' base attacks are the situations the runesword' is most useful and you're not giving up using good abilities when you choose to use Magick attack because your other attacks are pretty bad when Magick attack is good which makes the runesword fit perfectly into Travis' kit. Paladins and Radiant knights might prefer to use Slice, Heal, or Gauche even when there are armor enemies around because none of those are particularly ineffective against armored units, Gauche in particular is nice when low evasion units are around.
so since griffin knight wide swing is consider as "ranged" arrow cover will nullify all damage making him a great tank no protect ya clive
Absolutely
People clowning on Lex what about Amalia then? Amalia waiting for the enemies are almost dead just get her 1st move if she's not dead yet or cc'd.. If she have Lex skills I'll use her on any comps with flyers
Dont hex the Lex.
Other guides ive seen state that Alain is only as good as his sword given to him. What ive experienced is that Lex is only as good as his shield.
Alain has a great kit regardless of sword, so that's an interesting statement for him. Lex is absolutely equipment reliant, for sure.
Could always give him a +10 initiative ring.
Always a solid choice, yeah!
My question is why is the protagonist the only who can get with someone I had plans for my boy lex😂
See Chloe? I can do stuff too
Whether he is garbage or not I am going to use him.
Lex is typically the third best option for any given team composition, but with the right build he is completely serviceable.
Honestly, I think it has to do with the demo putting the entire game on a timer. Knights + high damage teams just let you see that much more of the game, and squads built around Lex are just that much slower.
Yeah, that's something to consider as well, for sure.
After playing the demo, I think Lex will be my only fighter as I like to use other tank types. I also plan to start from scratch on March 8th.
I'm debating on whether or not to start from scratch myself. Currently, I was considering running a third time through the demo, speed running it to see further than I already have. But then I considered that speed running to get farther is just pointless if I end up starting from scratch. I'm conflicted lol. 😂
Similarly, I don't find Gladiators all that useful either. Sure, they can soak up a lot of damage, but I find them far too often just standing around and not attacking if there aren't any rows that have more than a single unit.
@@Neonmirrorblack that's a Tactics problem then. You can easily set them up such that they will attack a single target. I'm pretty sure that the default setting does just that; they attack the first open row, and they attack everyone that is there.
@th_Except they don't. I've had them set up to attack rows with X amount of enemies, and I've also left their skills blank, and they just stand there sometimes never attacking if each row only has a single unit. This is with the default AI and no changes to conditions.
Enemy AI with gladiators exhibits this same behavior as well. I rarely ever get attacked by them. They just stand around healing, and not doing anything offensive.
@@NeonmirrorblackI thought you were wrong, so I just hopped on the game to test this. You are mistaken, default gladiator targeting will definitely hit single units.
Nah, Lex ain't bad at all. It's just that, like in the game's story, he just needs some love and TLC
Fighter+thief is busted imo, they just need damage, and potentially later give them more debuffs and you have an easy breaker squad
Soldiers got done dirty by early game, theres few archers and the ones that exist dont target your back units therefore a tanky unit is just better at dealing with them.
Fliers are the exception but a hoplite can do the job and even has 1 extra pp to work for free. A tank/dps hybrid is interesting but the offensive stats of the soldier/lex is pretty bad, having swords is good but the shield removes an accessory slot and theres no point in having it if they cant take hits that well.
Theres a world out there where the default commands that the AI uses targets backliners and soldiers have some niche utility, but this aint it.
In terms of class design, it’s seems like a pretty big oversight to make fighters so slow they can’t make effective use of their primary ability.
Different stat set would help with that a lot tho.
Lex has been leading unit 2 for me since start. He's fine.
I'm late to the party but, it's pretty smart that lex start off as kinda bad and useless to being detrimental to certain strategies and pretty good all around. It's a cool way to tell the character is getting stronger and stronger by game mechanics.
I still think hes a loser as the least used of my starting units. Yes you can make him work but it requires effort unlike lets say other starting tanks in alain, hodrick or travis. Those work out of the box. I dont think highly of hodrick/hoplites and i'd still take him over lex.
For thieves, passive steal is useless vs. tanks. I gave travis the runic sword for that. When facing armored, he does magick attack. Against everything else, passive steal.
Its not like you need more than 3-4 tanks in the demo. So by the time you get your 4th squad slot, you may have unlocked your 4th tank already like Ochlys. Alain, travis and hodrick tank for your 3 main teams.
Yes you cant have alain in every squad and you may not want hodirick, but thats dodge tanks like travis are for. And its not like josef cant pull double duty acting as both tank and striker where he just minimizes his pursuit usage.
if there's one thing fire emblem has taught me, is that units like lex, if given time to raise, becomes beasts in endgame.
I feel lex will be better late game all depending on how they do the rank up stuff
I paired him alain and chloe and he is great
I haven't benched him but found he's pretty bad. That said this isn't a matsuno game or a fire emblem game, one character isn't really able to take the place of 3 in overall stats and survivability so I'm sure he will get to having a solid niche.
I like Lex's character i refuse to not use him
Lex is a cutie so I want to invest in him. Maybe even marry if possible??
i gave lex the magic sword and is working pretty good for me, buut I'm not so advanced like you all, I'm like 8-9 level. only have 1 hour left from beta and I'm playing like 15 min at most because i don't want it to end before the 8 march 😅 lol the days pass so slow xD
Yall need to talk about/learn how to use valor skill provoke.
Provoke is great. I'll be talking about it in my class overview when discussing fighters.
Or you can just use the Bell and not waste a Valor Point on something that is easily gotten from an item.
@TitaniumLegman set up kill zones or kill corridors like between an archer led support or mage support then provoking enemies into the hurt locker to iron cage alain or mud wrestle a Bernice are what I like to do.
@@Xoulrath_ why would it be a waste of Valor? Valor comes and goes and is made to be spent.
@@featherrico1480 it's a waste of Valor because you can get the same effect from an item that is easily bought before the engagement even starts. Why would I waste that point on Provoke when I could use it on stealing gold with Travis or healing a unit with Josef? The only way that Provoke has more value than the Bell is if you've been so careless with your item use that you've got 1 left, and need to reserve it for a heal or rez.
Perhaps if Valor is more easily earned later on, then Provoke might actually be worth using. But I've never gotten more than 6 Valor in a single battle stage. That is far better spent on Alain's 3 cost buff and an arrow attack or charge from Clive. Again, the full release and getting deeper into the game might change this. But from a strictly demo standpoint, I'll just use the Bell and save the Valor Point for something more impactful.
I think the interesting thing will be what Fighters can upgrade into, and if Lex has any story specific advancement.
Warding slash is just such a terrible move made worse by how slow Lex’s class is.
Lex is good ? When did that happen
He's not the best, but he has uses for sure.
equipment sponge;