Its just that they're a pain to remove for servicing, another example of someone engineering aesthetics over function, like all those light fittings that dont have enough room for the cables to fit and close the cover.
We use plastic caps. They have thin "legs" that stick out of the plaster, so you can see them even when they get fully covered. A tap with the hammer and they're usually cleanly open.
@@Michael-dc2bh I’m a groundworker and some of the shoddy work iv seen them get away makes me lucky I worked hard to get out the council situation 2024 and some people just have no respect for there trade or name
@@uplightuk8924 please enlighten me........maybe because he bent over the conductor of 2 cables when it's only needed for a single cable when terminating
@@user-om2oy4re4d I’m not sure. But because of this when I sat my AM2 I didn’t double over anything just in case and I passed first time. You can get a solid connection without doubling over. It’s just what we call good practice I suppose. Don’t get me wrong I double over all the time on site. But seems for the purpose of exams they don’t want you to
If you want to get your own back on the possibly time-pressed plasterer, I don't suggest that you do what I did by mistake on my second ever second fix. But I'm grateful for this opportunity to confess, albeit a couple of decades after the fact. As we all know, jobs get out of whack on sites. I had done the second fix in the new kitchen before the final skim had been carried out. When I returned to juice up the rest of the renovation, I was greeted by the Giant Haystacks sized plasterer who showed me his favourite trowel with a big sooty gash in its side. I had forgotten a low level skt which was hiding behind a pile of stuff. He was lucky to be alive as he told me of the huge flash/bang my live wires had made when his trowel had made contact. I was lucky to be alive because he somehow controlled his fury. Didn't do that again.
Because our twin and earth in the UK doesn't come with a sheathed CPC.only the Live and neutral are sheathed,hence the earth sleeving once it's stripped
Exactly. Those cheep dry lining boxes are highly combustible. The Marshall Tufflex are made of fire retardant plastic . Even so I fit a fire pad . Some people are more worried about cost than safety
Also drylining box installed before plaster skim meaning around those outlets are wrecked with the plaster cracking and falling off . And that back entry instead of top or bottom entry , yuck
I'm curious if you're really supposed to fold the wires according to the manufacturers instructions, or if it's just misunderstood that this gives a better connection.
It's fine no devmbate about it. It's a termination the tight radius of the conductor isn't carrying current in the same way as just a piece of cable, the bend gives way ore copper for the screw terminal to bite. You don't always have to do it, and it can be a hindrance if you have multiple cables terminating in the terminal and it can be fine not doi g it but no doubt it's OK to do. It can be especially helpful with 1mm lighting cable sometimes. Some snips like my ck ones have a small notch it to actually facilitate the process.
'Fill the hole' that's what she said 😂. It will reduce resistance if there is a larger surface area of copper making contact with the clamp/screw head. When you have more than one conductor, usually they rest side by side with the screw clamping on top so you don't need to fold them. Almost impossible to get 3 conductors in for a spur on some cheap sockets!
Really?? So how you gonna get the clients nice flat plate sockets flush then?? Expensive brass, chrome , steei etc front... Ruined by a white plastic rim!! Lol... 1st fix... Then 2nd fix. Plus good luck not cracking the fresh new plaster.. The decorators are gonna love you when they now have to make good a new wall!!! So basically on your installations... Nothing sits flush?? All your fronts sit proud on a plastic lip??? Omg ... Lol. Nice
This is how I know it, but we have plastic covers for the boxes so no plaster can get in. Only we use round boxes, way easier, just drill a hole. Does your ground wire always comes without insulation?
started seeing the identified yellow/green in the UK now, Efixx showed it. I think it was due to some regulation and size that was behind the naked ground.
@@user-zw5hs4pl9n The great majority still come with a naked CPC, although they have to be sleeved. It is possible to buy cables with insulated CPCs; Doncaster Cables produce one, but it costs a bit more. Ireland mandates the use of insulated CPCs thoughout. Safety wise it makes no difference. If the insulation on the current carrying wires within the twin & earth is breaking down, you have bigger problems (you will just find out about it quicker with a "naked" CPC).
@@keithharrington8715 These boxes are specifically for stud wall, drywall, they do not have any clamping provisions for the cable. My view is the cables should not be secured on their passage in the cavity but should be clipped as they enter the cavity. This intentional slack affords the cable some protection from drilling or nails entering the cavity. I have often seen damage to cables when clipped to the batten as the DIYer will have sought out the batten as a more secure anchor for the item being mounted.
You don't skim plasterboard? What about the joints? As for the bare CPC, then it's not a safety issue and it makes the cables a bit thinner, which is always helpful and makes them a bit cheaper.
Why are you measuring if something is level over both sockets? Because if the first one isn't the second one will be twisted so that the right tip pushes up the level to make it seem level when both sockets are in fact crooked. 🤦♂️
Looks like he's holding the level against the top of the faceplate he is installing, then adjusts it so it sits level, with the level touches the already installed faceplate. So it's level and at the same height as the other one.
Die Dose in der die Steckdose eingebaut wird muss vorher gerade eingebaut werden. Ein paar Millimeter kann durch die Schrauben ausgeglichen werden. ( ich bin deutscher Elektriker 😅 )
Appleby boxes give roughly 3 degrees of cant either side. So an unlevel face provided you fitted the box backing reasonably level can be adjusted for and sit level and plumb. Bet the plasters wall finish won’t say that 😂
I hope your radial ended there and there ain’t three 2.5s in that socket… ive never commented anything like that because I don’t really give a but I see where all these electrobods get there kick
@@RDavisElectrical indeed it would but it is also a single socket. The amount of times I see people spur off a socket that’s right next to an existing, takes not much more work to keep it a ring. Anyway that’s by the by, I was just checking… 😂
Most likely the new one is just a spur off the double to the left, although maybe there's a reason to put it on a separate circuit as sometimes happens with refrigerators and freezers.
Walls are painted after the sockets are installed. The painter/decorator ought to turn the power off on the circuit, loosen the sockets and pull them slightly away from the wall and paint behind them. When the pain is dry, they are screwed back.
German electrician here. My thoughts are: What the hell kind of cable is that? Why is the PE without insulation? Stripping with side cutters? nope! Too great a risk of damaging the core. Screw terminals on the socket? Why? Spring terminals are simpler and more reliable! And then there's this socket without contact protection and guide/holder for the plug. If someone were to install something like this in my home, they could expect a thunderstorm ;)
As young as you are you should know that you shouldn’t pull the earth cable with the pliers before you go through the out insulation with the Stanley knife first.
What the hell did you expect the plasterer to do when you installed the boxes before the wall was skimmed? He protected your cables, so what are you complaining about?
There's a lot wrong here that's costing you time. Drylining boxes go in on 2nd fix. Screwdrivers are shit, what is that pound shop? Home bargains? 2 tools to strip cable.. why cant you just use the snips for everything. Rear entry on a dry line 🤢🤮 You've alot to learn young one.
Been plastering for four decades and my rule as always been if the sparky leaves me a tidy job I leave him one too
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So u aint any better then?
Just tell us you’re shit then
@@SumUnicusWhat a bizarre comment
@@SumUnicus did I say I was 🙈🙉🙊
Do does every one hate the plastic cover bits. Is it just because there a pain to remove or is there other reasons as well? 😊
Its just that they're a pain to remove for servicing, another example of someone engineering aesthetics over function, like all those light fittings that dont have enough room for the cables to fit and close the cover.
Poke that 2.5 into that back box through top or bottom entries, u will like it 😉
We use plastic caps. They have thin "legs" that stick out of the plaster, so you can see them even when they get fully covered. A tap with the hammer and they're usually cleanly open.
Easily one of my favourite electricians
Fuc@ing hell fire I can’t believe iv just seen a electrician fix plug sockets with a level iv seen some council houses/flats sockets miles out
I don't doubt that... Keyword tho... " council".
@@Michael-dc2bh I’m a groundworker and some of the shoddy work iv seen them get away makes me lucky I worked hard to get out the council situation 2024 and some people just have no respect for there trade or name
Happy to see he gave the cables a tug after installing them in the terminals its supprising how many sparks don't
Good to see you slung those screw covers. They are a pain in the arse👍
It seems like every trade want to screw over the next one 😂
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Like this guy before the painter gives the walls a mist coat 😂
Top job ❤ that you double them over 👍
Always got to bend the ends over 💪🏻
That's standard, anyone who doesn't clearly takes no pride in their work
@@user-om2oy4re4dYou know one of my mates failed his AM2 first time for doubling over his conductors
@@uplightuk8924 please enlighten me........maybe because he bent over the conductor of 2 cables when it's only needed for a single cable when terminating
@@user-om2oy4re4d I’m not sure. But because of this when I sat my AM2 I didn’t double over anything just in case and I passed first time.
You can get a solid connection without doubling over. It’s just what we call good practice I suppose.
Don’t get me wrong I double over all the time on site. But seems for the purpose of exams they don’t want you to
You forgot to torque up those 3.5mm screws. CJR will not be happy you launched those caps. 😂😂😂😂
If you want to get your own back on the possibly time-pressed plasterer, I don't suggest that you do what I did by mistake on my second ever second fix. But I'm grateful for this opportunity to confess, albeit a couple of decades after the fact.
As we all know, jobs get out of whack on sites. I had done the second fix in the new kitchen before the final skim had been carried out.
When I returned to juice up the rest of the renovation, I was greeted by the Giant Haystacks sized plasterer who showed me his favourite trowel with a big sooty gash in its side.
I had forgotten a low level skt which was hiding behind a pile of stuff.
He was lucky to be alive as he told me of the huge flash/bang my live wires had made when his trowel had made contact.
I was lucky to be alive because he somehow controlled his fury.
Didn't do that again.
just curious, why did you unsheathe the ground all the way the the inner end and then put the sleeve back afterwards?
Because our twin and earth in the UK doesn't come with a sheathed CPC.only the Live and neutral are sheathed,hence the earth sleeving once it's stripped
As I've always said every spark needs a £200 framing hammer for hitting in 2.5mm clips.
Всем бы так. Долбишь стену, а там закладка😂
So glad you used a level at the end there. It was impossible to line up without it.
No insumentant fire rated pad
Exactly. Those cheep dry lining boxes are highly combustible. The Marshall Tufflex are made of fire retardant plastic . Even so I fit a fire pad . Some people are more worried about cost than safety
Also drylining box installed before plaster skim meaning around those outlets are wrecked with the plaster cracking and falling off . And that back entry instead of top or bottom entry , yuck
Why have you got dry lining boxes in before the skim?
Plaster around the edges gonna crack and fall out next time the socket is taken off for an eicr or if it needs replaced
Probably done the kitchen like this too which will then have a splashback or tiles over it too
Why didn’t he put the screw covers on, they make the plate look so much nicer.
It supposed to be a spur switch
I see US & UK mud boys are pretty much the same.
What if I paid extra for the white plugs, would you fit then?
I would’ve took that automatic Sheetrock saw to every inch of that wall for them plastering my box. They never learn.
I'm curious if you're really supposed to fold the wires according to the manufacturers instructions, or if it's just misunderstood that this gives a better connection.
It's fine no devmbate about it. It's a termination the tight radius of the conductor isn't carrying current in the same way as just a piece of cable, the bend gives way ore copper for the screw terminal to bite. You don't always have to do it, and it can be a hindrance if you have multiple cables terminating in the terminal and it can be fine not doi g it but no doubt it's OK to do. It can be especially helpful with 1mm lighting cable sometimes. Some snips like my ck ones have a small notch it to actually facilitate the process.
Isn't it in BS7671 that you are supposed to fill the terminal.
@@ashleypowell1623 no
'Fill the hole' that's what she said 😂. It will reduce resistance if there is a larger surface area of copper making contact with the clamp/screw head. When you have more than one conductor, usually they rest side by side with the screw clamping on top so you don't need to fold them. Almost impossible to get 3 conductors in for a spur on some cheap sockets!
Those boxes are for putting in AFTER plastering not before
If you're talking about the plastic back box then you're wrong about that. You plaster to the raised plastic edge. Then it's flush.
Really?? So how you gonna get the clients nice flat plate sockets flush then?? Expensive brass, chrome , steei etc front... Ruined by a white plastic rim!! Lol... 1st fix... Then 2nd fix. Plus good luck not cracking the fresh new plaster.. The decorators are gonna love you when they now have to make good a new wall!!! So basically on your installations... Nothing sits flush?? All your fronts sit proud on a plastic lip??? Omg ... Lol. Nice
@Michael-dc2bh Here smart ass...ALL Metallic sockets tarnish against plaster so require just that...a plastic lip
Absolute nonsense
Where do you people come from? Always some authoritatively wrong person on these things. What's your motivation?
This is how I know it, but we have plastic covers for the boxes so no plaster can get in. Only we use round boxes, way easier, just drill a hole. Does your ground wire always comes without insulation?
started seeing the identified yellow/green in the UK now, Efixx showed it. I think it was due to some regulation and size that was behind the naked ground.
Up until a few months ago mate yes the ground wire what we call earth comes with no insulation 👍🏻
US ground wire does, but since we're 120V to ground, we don't sheathe it.
В нашей далёкой и холодной стране электрики затыкают подрозетники обрезанной по форме коробки губкой для мытья посуды. Шершавой стороной наружу.
@@user-zw5hs4pl9n The great majority still come with a naked CPC, although they have to be sleeved. It is possible to buy cables with insulated CPCs; Doncaster Cables produce one, but it costs a bit more.
Ireland mandates the use of insulated CPCs thoughout.
Safety wise it makes no difference. If the insulation on the current carrying wires within the twin & earth is breaking down, you have bigger problems (you will just find out about it quicker with a "naked" CPC).
The plasterer made your job easier
they want to make electricians dig their boxes
I guess it happens in more countries than my own.
Drywall boxes in then skimmed iver . Good luck around the edges of your outlets in the coming years 😂
I took a plug socket off a wall a plasterer did and painted and....lost half the plaster with it 😡
The best electricians are down in the comments 👇
Were the yellow clips on the side designed to hold the cable?
No, they secure the box to the drywall when the faceplate is screwed on.
@@MS-Patriot2 do they skip any kind of cable clamp then? Are the cables not clamped when they enter the box?
@@keithharrington8715 These boxes are specifically for stud wall, drywall, they do not have any clamping provisions for the cable. My view is the cables should not be secured on their passage in the cavity but should be clipped as they enter the cavity. This intentional slack affords the cable some protection from drilling or nails entering the cavity. I have often seen damage to cables when clipped to the batten as the DIYer will have sought out the batten as a more secure anchor for the item being mounted.
I see
Noting wrong here change the title to
Second fixing a single socket
Using the cheapest materials
Noting wrong with cheap Materials
21st century and they still plaster the plaster board and sleeve PE cable😂😂. UK the Afrika of Europe 🤣🤣
You do realise plastering the board gives a way better finish don't you? 🤦♂️
You don't skim plasterboard? What about the joints? As for the bare CPC, then it's not a safety issue and it makes the cables a bit thinner, which is always helpful and makes them a bit cheaper.
Use the screw caps……use them!!
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@@RDavisElectrical 😂
Why are you measuring if something is level over both sockets? Because if the first one isn't the second one will be twisted so that the right tip pushes up the level to make it seem level when both sockets are in fact crooked. 🤦♂️
Looks like he's holding the level against the top of the faceplate he is installing, then adjusts it so it sits level, with the level touches the already installed faceplate. So it's level and at the same height as the other one.
If it sits flat across both sockets they're level with each other
And he will have already levelled the first one off.
Lovely job checking it's level. Except, how are you going to adjust it if it's not?
Die Dose in der die Steckdose eingebaut wird muss vorher gerade eingebaut werden. Ein paar Millimeter kann durch die Schrauben ausgeglichen werden.
( ich bin deutscher Elektriker 😅 )
There is wiggle room.before the ladt turn ofnthe screws
They’re made with a loose fit so you can make fine adjustments.
Appleby boxes give roughly 3 degrees of cant either side. So an unlevel face provided you fitted the box backing reasonably level can be adjusted for and sit level and plumb.
Bet the plasters wall finish won’t say that 😂
So many experts in the comments that know nothing at all.
Every plasterer does it stop crying an just tap it out
No grommets?
its a plastic box
Wallace wouldn’t let him out he’d been a bad dog.!
ok
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Amazing
Does anyone put those plastic plugs in?
No 🤣👍🏻
I hope your radial ended there and there ain’t three 2.5s in that socket…
ive never commented anything like that because I don’t really give a but I see where all these electrobods get there kick
If there was 3 2.5s then this would be a “spur”. This is completely its own circuit for a fire place
@@RDavisElectrical indeed it would but it is also a single socket. The amount of times I see people spur off a socket that’s right next to an existing, takes not much more work to keep it a ring. Anyway that’s by the by, I was just checking… 😂
@@corneliushealy8006wtf are you talking about man??
@@corneliushealy8006no point having a ring there surely
@@rogermeyts5033 probs not, maybe depending on load
Wow
Whut country is this
UK
What's it look like ?
It's uk but it's on a level of DIY electrics, real electricians would've installed a metal back box before the plaster skim
Nobody uses those stupid screw covers
Wouldn't not using them be a detriment to special homosexual rights ?
@@benjurqunov probably
What u moaning about you melt? The plasterer protected all your boxes before skimming .
Typical spark....a tart💯
Boxes shouldn't even be in before skim , around the edges they're gonna crack amd fall off next time the sockets need to be taken off or changed
You guys got some messed up plugs
Perhaps you will tell us exactly what is "messed up" about the BS1363 plug. I'm waiting.
New pliers, using the earth to split the sheathing.... Another DIYer pretending to be a tradesperson
No mate, that’s how all sparks do it. It’s the DIYers who don’t know 😆
@@demonkey123 No, no they dont....
@@draaks1 yes, yes we do, that is how twin and earth cable is stripped
I’ve been doing it for 35 years. Maybe me and the hundreds of Sparks I’ve worked with have been doing it wrong. 😯
@@demonkey123
I recall that, in theory, it can stretch the CPC, although many electricians still do it.
You know there is a double socket to the left?
I’m sure he saw that
It was only there to support the level
Most likely the new one is just a spur off the double to the left, although maybe there's a reason to put it on a separate circuit as sometimes happens with refrigerators and freezers.
They not painting the walls then?
Thats the painters problem. Same way the plasterer didn't care about making the sparks job harder.
Walls are painted after the sockets are installed. The painter/decorator ought to turn the power off on the circuit, loosen the sockets and pull them slightly away from the wall and paint behind them. When the pain is dry, they are screwed back.
I’m assuming you already shut the power off at the mains ?
No, it was live the entire time. 😂
No, it was live the entire time. 😂
@@ashleypowell1623 he must’ve had a resistor up his bottom 😆
Jesus… in Germany it would never be allowed!
What's wrong with it?
@@ashleypowell1623you cannot screw to a naked wire like that. You must crimp the appropriate contact, in this case a push in ferrule.
@@filips7158 Ferrules are usually used only on stranded wires. These are solid, so don't require a ferrule.
German electrician here.
My thoughts are:
What the hell kind of cable is that? Why is the PE without insulation?
Stripping with side cutters? nope! Too great a risk of damaging the core.
Screw terminals on the socket? Why? Spring terminals are simpler and more reliable! And then there's this socket without contact protection and guide/holder for the plug.
If someone were to install something like this in my home, they could expect a thunderstorm ;)
@@MolbydanNot only is it without insulation but also thinner than the others.
I think they just introduced a cable with insulated CPC.
Hate the plastic back boxes utter rubbish
As young as you are you should know that you shouldn’t pull the earth cable with the pliers before you go through the out insulation with the Stanley knife first.
He cut the end with the snips instead of a knife
Grow up mate
Looks rough
tengo tiempo...
👍👍👍❤️
Looks staged to me, people will do anything for content 😂
Zirkuselektrik😂
Pulling on the CPC!!!
What the hell did you expect the plasterer to do when you installed the boxes before the wall was skimmed? He protected your cables, so what are you complaining about?
Must be short off work if you got time to make these videos.
You must be short of work if you got time to comment on and watch these videos
Shit work
No real electrican.
Worst level ever
There's a lot wrong here that's costing you time.
Drylining boxes go in on 2nd fix.
Screwdrivers are shit, what is that pound shop? Home bargains?
2 tools to strip cable.. why cant you just use the snips for everything.
Rear entry on a dry line 🤢🤮
You've alot to learn young one.
You're talking bullshit m8, there nothing wrong with dryliners going in 1st fix, bet you have fun smashing up walls looking for cables.
Not in America
What gave it away?
Nice split in insulation.
Dry boxes 😂😂😂😂😂😂