The Significance of the Black Legion
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The Black Legion as protagonists is one of the most fun ways to read the 40k canon. From their perspective, they're the only people who understand how the warp and the galaxy works, and conversely are the only ones just sane enough that they can effectively utilize that information.
Cough Cough Iron Warriors Cough Cough
@@totalNERD-eo7wx The Iron Warriors represent one extreme of how to utilize the Warp, that being ruthlessly, soullessly exploiting the Warp's power, creating incredibly powerful machines and weapons from it, all for ultimately materialistic or petty, if not downright trivial reasons. Genius but ultimately shortsighted, they don't care about anything but themselves.
The Word Bearers represent the other half, which is essentially acting as vacuous conduits for the Warp and its denizens to operate through, passionately letting it have its way with everything it touches, often at their own blissful expense. They don't care about anything but their Dark Gods.
The Black Legion represents the chimeric blend of both worlds, to its fullest possible maximum. They have one singular goal in mind -- the destruction of the Imperium. And yet, with their knowledge in hand, they constantly court greater disaster and self-destruction than either of their brother factions by treading the knife's edge between falling to one extreme or the other.
The fact that so many Heresy era traitor marines are still alive is super goofy to me. I know the whole "time in the warp is different" argument, but within the warp you still had the Legion Wars/Slave Wars, 13 whole ass Black Crusades and 10k years of Chaos Marines being seen outside the Eye fighting with other factions. I know GW loves their named characters but I wish we had more people like Huron Blackheart instead of most named characters being Heresy Veterans.
Some CSM are just better at surviving wars.
I think it plays on the theme of Chaos as destructive as it is stagnant. You got a bunch of men screaming bloody murder at people who barely know who they are, for supposed crimes that happened thousands of years ago and that are only sometimes remembered, commited by people dead for so long most of the time they aren't even remembered. Heck, one can argue that even Big E is barely the man he was back then.
In other words, Chaos makes you incredibly pathetic in 40k, before it completely destroys you.
I don’t remember what the name of the book was, but it’s about the alpha legion and it mentions in that, that there are no more alpha legionnaires that actually were alive during the siege of terra
If we took all the named Horus Heresy Veterans and all the stated companies/warbands full stated or theorized numbers of Heresy veterans together
Id bet we wouldnt even get 50,000 marines
Between all chaos legions and warbands
It makes sense to me, the numbers
But you're def right, we need more focus on newer marines
@@konradsommer6927
Never trust a single byte of info on Alpha Legion.
Khayon was great as the narrator of the Black Legion books. One of the deadliest psykers around. Then again, I adore the Thousand Sons.
Near-mary sue psyker, except always taken with a grain of salt because he is, PROBABLY, lying to the Inquisition periodically on "unimportant matters" to fuck with them.
He's a sassy bitch sorcerer; there's a part in Talon of Horus I love, where they're docking at an Iron Warriors/Mechanicum spaceport, and he's looking at other ships for alignment. One of the ships reports back that it's named _The Skinner_ and he just, scoffs at it and starts laughing.
I feel like recently the Black Legion has been kinda on the upswell because people have started to realize the group is more a combination of every Chaos faction rather than simply just general Chaos. There is really a stark difference between a bunch of marines being Chaos Undivided and a bunch of marines being Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch worshippers working together (that usually being them murdering the fuck out of each other as soon as the bigger threat is gone).
This, you can paint your guys any scheme but as long as they have a black pauldron and the BL insignia that’s a lore-accurate legionary.
Many are just “sworn” to Abby and not a “legion” per-say
@@chadking375 Black Legion are basically Chaos-Deathwatch with how many legions they pull from.
@@theodorehodbor5080 Hilariously there's more Dark Angels than Alpha Legionnaires in the Black Legion, or in the Deathwatch for that matter.
3:36 I like how the black legion recruits different traitor Marines form different legion in my option it makes them more unique as you can have one group who are all Khorne berserkers and another who are tzeech sorcerers and allows for a more diverse army if your the kind of person who wants to play most of the traitor legions.
You forgot one thing...
Fuck Erebus!!!
I feel better now
You'd probably hate him even more after recent events
Love the black legion and almost all hate on them is cause of memes and usually not true if you look into them they are pretty cool and also a genuine threat to basically anything
If people took the time to read the Talon of Horus and Black Legion novels I think they would come away with a very different opinion of the Legion
People meme on them because they haven’t done much. But that’s because they’re fucking surrounded by some of the best and brightest forces that the Imperium has to offer. There’s a reason for why Cadia became the default choice for military forces in the Imperium. Because those fuckers are cracked. Any other regiment style of guard has made trade offs to be situationally better than the Cadians. Those mother fuckers are built different. They had their homeworld blown up and took that shit in stride.
The black Legion are interesting as they are in a super position of being the most dangerous threat and being the most impotent chaos faction depending on who's getting pushed
Have you seen "the super ancient, far-sighted, wise, secretive", and yet pretty much only exists to get bagged-on faction, the Eldar?
Yeah all their psychic foresight and skeins of fate shit, they'll get ambushed by Guardsmen, and have an entire Craftworld be blindsided by an Imperial Navy fleet.
@@SeanCrosserkinda like how the emperor is super ancient, wise, and has "seen it all" but couldn't find a way to prevent himself from getting near got by his own offspring or keep his imperium from fracturing like it has
So glad Arthur survived the TB at the end of RDR and is now making warhammer content. Hope he can finally put Dutch and the gang behind him now and be happy.
I would love if you briefly went over Abbadons inner circle when you go over him. They have really cool guys like an empeors children guy who wears a silver mask and has to low hip slung swords that has him described as a gunslinger. Or a worldeater heavy weapon specialist with 2 bionic arms. Or a member of the fallen. The black legion and the talon of horus books are where you can find these dudes
I'd recommend checking Adeptus Ridiculous' first Arks of Omen episode. They cover Abbadons relationship to the gods, which I think helps flesh out poor general armless.
First off, MORE, MORE BLACK LEGION!!!
second, I fucking love how you covered the one thing that is so unique to that of the Black Legion; being that it's diversity of tactics. I just started building my first army and it is Black Legion but i kinda bought into it on accident yet I'm really happy I did. Those two books might be my favorite and I've honestly come to see the traitor legions and really the warp in a whole new light.
What I love the most about Black Legion is that they are abject failures with nothing left for them but hate: their father was a failure, they hate Chaos, they have Emperor, they hate humanity and after putting it all on a gamble, they lost. They are losers who have lost and now can only claim one thing: vengeance. They can't let go of their hatred because their scars is the only thing they have left - they are the logical end point of space marines, in a way.
I didn't know of the rag-tag-adopting nature of the Black Legion. I actually learned something new! Thanks!
I love the Black Legion because they're the truest to the old heavy metal 40K aesthetic. And I told GrimDark Narrator to bug you about your 40 creators idea so treat him right he's a really nice guy ;)
I definitely believe the black legion has so much potential to be the thing that unifies other races against it, however a lot of the time it kinda just meanders and does whatever. However the aspect that anyone can join makes me incredibly happy and is the sole reason why i paint black legion, because i can play plague marines and rubrics as a part of them
“Hi, I’m Arthur” is such a great way to open.
I wish their models were more like death watch, the different factions coming together but all look completely different. Even the raptors and tech marines look kind of the same as all the others. Just would like more variety on the table top or allow us to mix non black and gold marines and do colors from the factions that are getting together.
Theres a story where horus and the emp take down a ork scrap world by attacking its freaking artificial core. Custodians and Justarian termis fight along side the emp and horus. The were glorious before the fall. So was horus
I want more novels with sons of Horus and black legion as separate chaos entities. I know majority of sons of Horus joined black legion, but not all, and black legion is pretty much a different legion. I would love to see chaos warband of sons of Horus, but I also like black legion very much because with them I can use combined arms warfare with all 9 chaos legions working together
Well, True Sons warband has you covered with that sexy sea green and gold skulls drip.
ADB's Night Lords books are the best thing to happen for Night Lords, and the worst thing for every other faction wishing they had an ADB trilogy that makes their faction oh so likeable.
Black legion also had ADB books! Almost all of the best chaos books are by ABD.
I kinda like the idea how many guys this Legion has. In one book there was a line that BL is 10 times bigger then the Word Bearers and in other that WB has just over 100,000 marines.
So yeah. That scene from the Ultramarine movie where black legionnaires doing a suicide charge in great numbers (compared to the squad of Ultramarines and remaining Imperial Fists) like there was no tomorrow is as stupid as I thought about it before.
I think my favorite thing about the Black Legion is the fact that literally any image of them would make for an awesome metal album cover. That was my first thought when I first encountered 40k as a brand new unsupervised game store kid who couldn't win a single Magic the Gathering game, wishing I had the money to instead get into what looked like an awesome tabletop game.
Hey people, I have a question? What are the guys who are usually in meat hooks and missing limbs in nearly every depiction of chaos? Are they daemon hosts or something else. They don't seem demonic (execpt the one that live as a half torso.
Just some unlucky sods the maintenance people thought would be better as decoration. Sometimes they’re trophies, maybe it’s to appease their patron god or for any other crazy reason.
It varies.
If it's a collection of skulls they're trophies, often tributes to Khorne but not always.
If it's a half-flayed cadaver probably some Slaaneshy marines enjoying torture have left them behind.
If they're crucified or several are arranged in a strange pattern it's probably a sorcerer doing a ritual.
I own a good few Chaos Marine warbands and beside the Death Guard and Thousand Sons, I need a way to tell 'em all apart. So while I look for ways to lean on specific elements of them to make them not just be CSM in different coats of paint, I mostly just do the Black Legion as they are on the box, but periodically do something to reference a guy coming from another legion. For example, since my Word Bearers are mostly old CSM, I put an old CSM head on one of my Black Legionaires to connect him to the Word Bearers, while my icon bearer has pale skin and black eyes since he's an ex-Night Lord. That's the kind of storytelling I like, but hopefully there's some more upgrade kits like the new Night Lords one to make it easer to add character to them.
God I fucking love Iskander Khayon
How ironic that the Black Legion's tactical flexibility is exactly what the Legions all being different was supposed to work out as.
0:40 Obligatory,.."F#CK THAT GUY!!!" ...carry on.. 😉
Horus did encourage his Marines to become educated in non-military affairs. The problem was that by the time he got the Iterators to tutor his Marines they were already infiltrated by the Word Bearer's Lodges
I wonder what Dorn would have done after the Great Crusade had it gone well? Hell, I wonder what he's doing "now." (Yes my head cannon includeds Exorcists, no I won't change.)
Still think those lads are Grey knights successors. We got way to many crazy dorn sons running around, that and feels more thematic to be Grey Knights
Abaddon is a very fascinating character and was what got me into the black legion. Yeah is lore is all over the fu king place but when you piece it together hes actually really cool
0:48 why split hairs when we can split heads!: Angron on multiple occasions throughout his life
The black legion and especially Abbadon feel so harmless for 40k standards. It took him 13 trys to get past one planet and in all books I have read where the black legion is mentioned or are a part of they fail and need to retreat.
The black crusades were not all focused on Cadia one didn’t even involve the imperium they kidnapped an ork waaaaghhh
Bro it's been over 22 years. the black crusades were not failures for Abby.
And in their defense, Cadia was possibly the most heavily fortified world in the imperium with a population whose trade was exclusively war. Several space marine chapters patrolled the area and they had Creed, pretty big accomplishment to do it at all.
Abaddons gonna shit himself when he hears about the lion
The 13 black crusades all achieved different goals. Only the 13th was a direct assault on cadia.
Conversely, the Black Legion tend to recruit from warbands that became disillusioned with their parent legion. Those who saw the corruption take root in their legion and destroy their brothers.
For all the shit abbadon gets for being a terrible antagonist I for once think he is a great character..dude was just a space marine to begin with yet he has successfully been more efficient than any traitor primarch ever could..give him his flowers
I'm convinced abaddon haters haven't actually read any of the novels or codexs. He's an awesome character and a great villain.
God i fcking love the black legion though... brotherhood of the brotherless!
Also love the fact that when abaddon wants to have a planet completely wiped out he just tells his boy haarken 'yo it's playtime brother' and he just wipes it out of existence
GOD I LOVE THE BLACK LEGION LETS GO CHADBADON RAAAHHH
Either Red Scorpions or Covenant of Fire, calling it.
My hobby goal is to collect all the Chaos armies and paint them Black Legion
"Eh-zeh-kyle" it's the only name pronunciation I well-actually about because I like it so much.
5:30 i nearly spit out my drink LOL
I am never going to forget what Abaddon did to my boy Talos
Sadly, I do not know who wrote this, but I think the last line is relevant:
"I haven't started playing 30k yet, but would someone explain why an alpha strike army that can field banestrike-combi-weapons is not as competitive as any other army?
Certainly there are better general styles, bolter proficiency, survive-ability, or sheer brutality, but as the fluff states the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus aren't about that.
They drop on-top of their targets and kill them. Droppods, Nuncio-voxs, and vicious application of mid-range firepower. We fail in protracted campaigns, our skills are not that of subterfuge, simple killing power or endurance, we have more finesse than that.
We are deepstrikers, and today's space marines has as much to owe to the Luna Wolves strategies as they do to Gulliman's codex."
Did you recently speed up your videos or something? It seems like the narration pace is rushed and its a little jarring... nothing like what I'm used to.
What happens to a chaos spacemarine when he dies in battle?
Just respawn in the warp?
Example: I know there are veterans from the the great crusade/heresy in the ranks of most traitor legions in 40k, my question is how do they refill their ranks after set battles in the Timeline, and what happens upon death to a single traitor marine. tentacle boi Lucius steals your body if you defeat him in single combat ( and enjoy it?). What about the grunts?
In the space marine game they despawn when killed lol. I’m really curious…
Depends on what exposure/pacts with Chaos the marine has. Lucius is one example but that kind of respawn is unique, most other instances of this kind are for Marines that have become Daemon princes so they’re basically Daemons with all the rules that entails. Pretty much all the rest of Chaos Marines will stay dead when they die unless something special takes place.
Also apart from looting where do they get their equipment from?
Do they have the dark mechanicum in the Eye of terror (or somewhere ) manufacturing their bolters tanks do they steal/trade from the iron warriors? So many questions lol
@@Mr305miamivice
Looting and Dark Mechanicus.
@@Mr305miamivice Dark Mechanicus Forge worlds are a valuable commodity in the Eye. They tend to be neutral in supplying any warbands that come to trade with them.
@collecter343 @collecter343 @jonharrison9222 thanks guys my head Canon was spinning like a hamster wheel lol
Great take on the Bad News Bears of Warhammer.
Totally unrelated comment : perfect name for a Warhammer channel? "DearHenry". You know why.
The Black Legion is my 40k army. It was my first and largest 40k collection. Because in a setting where no one is the good guy, I wanted to play the baddest of the bad guys. Not to mention, black and gold is the best paint scheme.
@Mr.Bones40k wanna ask you if you are going to make a video about the Crimson Slaughter ?
yeah actually!
I love the Crimson Slaughter
@@TheBoneZone40k they brought me in 40k many years ago (Dark vengeance box) the first big 40k kit as a present!
5:57 image is from the Lionel Heresy AU made by Paint_Newb (who also made the art for it)
Well I binge everything in a month. Now I either decide to give you money or wait more..... Frick. Where my wallet.
Do you think you could do the True Sons Warband next?
Oh hell yeah 😎 Mr. Bones lore vid!
Brother Bones I'm still working on the loyal sons for the 40K setting and have decided to use Dark angel rules for them just makes sense in my mind
So sad this is only a hour old... when he said a part 2 and maybe a part 3 I immediately checked when he posted this 😂
They look so cool, but they always take a lot L's so I called them "The Jobbers Legion"😂😂😂
THE LOOOONG WAYYY
If I was ever to build a black legion army I'd probably kitbash together or just sprinkle in some of the chaos god unique marines to really sell the fact that they are a bunch of different kinds of marines working together.
The ability to play what ever you want is kinda why I play Dark Angels. I'm even tempted to collect some Fallen/Risen. Also sorry Arthur but I CZcams seem to have lost their like button so I can't give a thumbs up on this.
The Black Legion is undermined by the fact that they are the bog standard Chaos force. They are like the mirror image of the Ultramarines, but where the blue berries are the post child for the winning team, the BL are most often expect3d to take the L.
Abbadon has daddy issues I think. Maybe he just needs a hug😂
Huh, never knew Iskandar went up against a squad of Grey Knights, baller as hell. No wonder people say he’s overpowered.
Abaddon: Would? Or Would not?
IM NO HERETIC!!!!! SHUT UP AND GIVE ME 40 THOUSAND WAR HAMMERS!!!!!
Soooo..I can play with Thousand Sons and Night Lords together?Hmmm...
Won't the Death Guard spread disease to the rest of the Black Legion members?
How are they coherent enough to resist full Chaos manipulation to band toghter and not turn on each other.
Imagine being a sore loser over something that’s all your fault for 10,000 years.
I love your videos please don’t stop (seriously)
I just like them because Black and gold is the best color scheme and Abaddon is a baller fuckin’ name regardless of context. I have no other reasons.
Ah, GW's favorite faction
They try so hard to make the fandom like them but it back fires severely.
Failbaddon will never be an enjoyable character. Just rip his arms off and let literally any other chaos champion be in charge.
@ethanduncan1646 Like Huron Blackheart?
@goni2493 love that Pirate Captain
Mentioning Erebus without saying "fuck erebus" his a bit different ngl
I know I am super wierd here because I actually really like Abby. I think a lot of if issues stem from the writers and not his character him self. It’s not really his fult that he acts differently between books because it’s clear that’s the writes. Same with the 13 black crusades. If you read the black legion books they don’t number them because this is one long war to the black legion but the imps number them. It’s kind of why heron black heart is so liked he only in 3 books he dose not have to be the bad guy that’s always forced to lose. This bad writing is though out 40k for example in the second black legion book Abby gets hurt really bad by sigy the first Chapter master of the black templares which is dumb they should have let Abby win because it would have brought the character story around because Abby lost in the siege of Terre books. I like the idea of the black legion and how they are all brothers working together that’s what you get if you read the black legion books but that has not really translated into the codex’s so it makes them look like massive hypocrites which sucks a lot when we seen others have that happened. You can say this is all cope and I did make a hole video about this topic on my channel but this is my pov and I really like them much more then even the night lords. I think there is a compelling idea behind them and if they had better writing the fan base would change their mind much like the ultras.
Can you cover krypton in mos?
You can NOT just tease me with that info dump and not make a half hour (bare minimum) video elaborating on those topics you touched on.
WHEN RED CORSAIRS?
As someone who just started getting into the miniatures and choosing this legion, it'd be nice to see two or three more parts
They’re definitely the Ultramarines of Chaos: important but boring.
GW proving they don't discriminate...
Iron snakes please 🙏
What if they were callled the brap legion, id lol personally 👾
You think you're a real gassy legionnaires?
Skaven yet?
I dunno, I think I root for chaos, to a certain point, but Abaddon is a bit of a tool.
The Black Legion to me is wasted potential. I think they should've been direct descendants of the Sons of Horus first and foremost but that as the direct descendants of the Sons of Horus, their diplomacy and ability to unite other CSM attracts other traitor warbands.
As well they just fall flat on their face lore wise. They're usually just the guys that end up being the cannon fodder the hero's fight through and that's just dumb. They have nothing going for them from a practical marine standpoint: they aren't primaris marines, they don't have better gear or supplies than the Imperium, they're mostly just pirates and their quality as marines is less than loyal marines. I think at the very least for them to remain relevant they should always have an element of the clever in them. They're 10,000 year old veterans, even those that aren't that old but were born, raised and turned into marines in the eye of terror should be first company veteran levels of skill, because even in the eye of terror the Horus Heresy and Great Crusade has never ended, it only has evolved into wars 10x worse than the Imperium deals with. Every battle is a battle for a daemon world or a marine world or a mechanicum world or a combination of 2 or all 3 of these and they fight these wars with what they can get their hands on, not steady supply lines
It’s a shame that the Sons of Horus legion needed to be as mega-killed as Horus himself. Replacing their awesome sea-green armor with generic black, is just plain awful.
I realize there are lore reasons for this. But I don’t have to like it.
There are splinter warbands of SoH that didn't get incorporated into Black Legion. They still wear green.
There still are some who survived both the Legion wars and Abby's persecution, such as the True Sons and the Wolves of Horus. Shame they aren't given more of a spotlight; it would be cool to have some more inter-Chaos politicking with the gradually rebuilding Sons of Horus leading a faction in opposition to their treacherous former first captain.
The Black Legion is what happens when you take "The Alliance" trope, and turn it on it's head, making them the villains.
Diversity!
Equity!
Inclusion!
The difference is that the Black Legion actually means it! They do not care who (or what) you are, or what you do, if there is a role for you to play on the battlefield, there is a place for you among them. Welcome to The Long War!
I hate the Word Bearers! I love to hate the Word Bearers! But it is easy to hate the Word Bearers. The Black Legion ... not so much, they actually have a point!
got to say I love your content but your choice in background music makes me want to claw my eyes out
This good
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Black legion wre like ultramarines. I get it but not for me
The black legion is like..
Eh
hi arthur
It would have been so much more interesting if the legions revolted not because they were worried when the great crusade was over they would be ruled by bureaucrats but instead they were worried that they would share the same rate as the thunder warriors and be decommissioned/replaced making them fighting for jhst their right ro survive but by doing this they had to commit atrocities. Would have made it a lot more gray area and nuanced war than the chaos legions bad and space Marines good
Put poo init
I think my comment got youtube termed because i got a liiiittle carried away with how much i hate Abaddon's hair....i REALLY hate Abaddon's hair. What is that? God it's stupid
It's a hair squig obviously.
@@Aceshot-uu7yx There are like a million explanations, and out of all of them, that's the LEAST idiotic one
I think the Black Legion are one of the most interesting factions in 40k and Abaddon gets WAY too much shit all because of some stupid memes.
Failbaddon the Armless leader of black Legion.
You're so funny and original.
Eh I dont like the Black Legion. The Sons of Horus are one of my favourite legions tho. I understand why the black legion exists but I think its a pity that the uniqueness of the SoH legion is gone. Kind of. I like heresy era Abaddon - that whole true warrior without chaos thing is cool but I hate him in 40k. He's so bad and honestly I dont see him as a threat to the imperium
Oh boy the Chaos Gruel, the bland flavorless stew of the Chaos Legion, where every character is a carbon copy of each other, the embodiment of literally everything wrong with Chaos’ implementation in 40K compared to fantasy.
I'd be more of a fan of the Black Legion if not for Abadon. Talk about a dood that has failed upwards. Not helping is how GW has been pushing so hard to convince people to take him seriously.
GOD I LOVE THE BLACK LEGION LETS GO CHADBADON RAAAHHH
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