This Is Ruining League of Legends
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2024
- In League of Legends, it’s not uncommon to hear from a teammate that they want your team to lose.
It’s a very specific kind of toxicity that’s existed in the game for years but one which the community is getting increasingly sick of.
So why do League players exhibit this toxic self sabotage? And is there something deeper going on? We spoke to an expert to find out more...
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Its really bizzare seeing streamers essentially brag about getting permabanned accounts and running down games intentionally as if it makes them somehow look like the superior player when it really just comes off as pathetically childish
It's not bizarre if their chat is glazing them for it.
Years ago that was reason for perma banning the *person* . See tyler1 at his peak of infamy. Account after account getting banned after a single game, some even before he could queue up.
Same deterioration you can see in play quality. People gold now would have been hardstuck in bronze.. people masters now were considered plat. SRO has been playing his champ for an entire decade as a profession, still can't cs properly 🤡
@@3goats1coat "People gold now would have been hardstuck in bronze." This is objectively wrong and im tired of seeing it. Even your example of SRO is wrong. Hes been masters+ for years. As a whole the player base is getting better at the game.
@@Windw00d dude, he can't cs for sht 🤣 after an entire decade of onetricking 🤣 and that's what we call *masters* 🤣🤣
@@3goats1coat so your argument is players are getting progressively worse based off SROs csing? Lol
it's always the "it's not even my main account"
The worst thing about this sentence is the fact that the people typing this do not realise they are still THE SAME PERSON regardless of the account they play on. If you're being a horrible person on your smurf account and the only thing keeping you from being the same person on your main is the game's punishment I have bad news for you
Actually no, I mean on my lower accounts I do whatever I want and don't care about losing. I don't take it seriously like my main account. People that play the game and get higher elo easily usually do this because the people they play with on lower accounts suck. Make me mad or irritate me and I'm running it down, you need the lp not me.
@@morpheus5357 Nah when I used to play I had a Master MMR/Diamond 1 account I tryharded on and a literal bronze account I shit picked on and AFK played.
@@DraphEnjoyerthat’s what normals are for? You don’t have to play ranked
@@nico-ni8plso you chose to play on an iron account instead of bronze why?
One of the main reasons I couldn't join this game, the community didn't even give me a chance to git gud 😂. Everyone was smurfng and getting mad at actual new players.
Only had fun messing around with random teammates playing lol. I swear i am level 10 or something, have the vaguest idea how to play, and people yelling at me like i know what i am doing at level 10
sad that low level people getting matched with long time players and because of that they get blamed and reported for trying to learn the game
Ye smurfing kills games for many and in a way it is cheating but nothing is done about it, its actually encouraged through the endless streamers who make series smurfing in all games,i am totally against it especially if the Smurf is toxic or tries to bully his team, I have stopped playing many games I like because of smurfing, cheating etc.
Used to play all the way back in betas, watching the game turn into this hyper toxic landscape made me quit. Almost lost friends over a dumb game. I don't recommend it
They only get mad at new players in ranked and they have every right to. Your gold by default it’s legitimately the default rank it’s also why it’s the elo hell of league. You don’t get to Q up ranked play like garbage then cry when your teams upset at you, they have every right to expect you to pull your weight.
Carpenter blaming his tools is the best analogy. Theres so many delusional LoL players that will never ever take responsibility and go the full mental gymnastics route to justify being a shitty person.
I get that but sometimes after you get a loosing lane that solo loses the match for like a good 3rd match in a row, some demons inside of me start taking over. Additionally blame league for never punishing soft inters whilst calling someone a dumbass three months ago gives you a 2 week chat restriction.
@@masadino9660 I follow a league group on Facebook and the people who complain about getting chat restricted typically deserved it. Sometimes getting 1 year bans and most of those people are iron-bronze. Literally no reason to go demon mode over a video game and letting your emotions get the best of you only hinders your own growth. Doesn't matter if they're doing bad you dont get to be abusive to people. Been playing this game over 10 years and the culture has only gotten worse as all of the veteran players leave because people want to spend time typing in chat instead of focusing on the game.
Reporting players through the ticket system is the best way especially if you record it. I've had people who were slick thinking they could add me after and send death threats only to get their account perma banned cause I had the screenshots. It's just not worth it. focus your energy on the game and yourself instead of blaming teammates.
yea but if my teammate is clearly not trying to win. Aka just afk farming in jungle 0 objs. or a 0-5 bot lane by 10 minutes im not gonna go thru me trying my hardest to win. I put in the minimum effort that my teammates are giving out. I dnt blame anybody; no argument in league is worth the issue im just gonna autopilot like them and hope somebody on my team wants to put 200% of their effort to win the game for us.
Also the logic they use that “my teammates don’t deserve to win” is so fucking stupid. People have bad days, they don’t always play great, but it’s a team game and you’re there to help your team.
If only my team was as useful as inaminate objects.
I know that this is about league, but, I've started playing smite and had the same kind of thing happen, including being bitched at for being new.
Yeah found that its not specific to league. Any team based eSports games I've played I have experienced players like this, be it Overwatch, Dota, CS2, and even R6S. Players are just wildly immature for no reason.
@@MIBxSpartan people are wildly immature in esports because nobody punches them in the face. When I was a kid if you would throw a tantrum like this IRL you would get punched in the face, or never called again to play. The lack of clear behaviour rules not only allows but encourage this
I've tried hard to play on a new account to play with new friends WITHOUT just blasting through everyone. It's insane the amount of times I've seen my friends get flamed for being new, and when I tell the flamer to just play on their mains, they get really defensive lol.
@@trashkenn7216I like that when ppl yell me to play on my main but I need to Smurf to play with friends then I follow it up by completely destroying them and the little group they in holding them hostage in fountain till winions or FF happens
@@trashkenn7216 90% of people who get defensive about being told to play on their mains aren't playing on their mains because they got banned.
That's a lot of words for "mobas attract the most subhuman people on earth"
Thats not it, the game gets patched for the most subhuman people on earth.
nah, gacha games exist.
@@devol3829Nah it’s you.
did you try valorant this is like the most subhuman game i've seen and its not a moba
@@neimad6065 I've played both and league is more toxic to me. Like a lot of the toxic people in valorant are just league players who decided to play Riot's latest game. Also in valorant as you get higher in rank, people start to get more chill. That's more than I can say for league where even in challenger you have people like Tyler1
I literally have been saying this since literally Dota on warcraft 3 this has been a mentality in mobas FOREVER.
And one of the reasons why I never loved mobas in the first place when I was young.
The other is that it killed RTS games.
It’s because one bad player in a moba drags your whole team down. It’s just a tilting game gene.
right lmao, even in age of empires people would change their diplomacy to attack teammates they dislike
Most people who love Dota started playing it in LAN parties not online.
Dota has more griefing abilities which can be worse.
Thank God for Disable Allies Help option.
Honestly sometimes I what would happen if the goal shifting happened instead of going from “I want to win to feel good” to “My teammates don’t deserve to win so Im going to lose on purpose” people changed the goal to “Regardless of the game state I will strive to make the best possible macro decisions with the hand Ive been dealt”. Treating every instance like a non-linear puzzle for you to work out what the optimal play is even if it’s impossible to win. I don’t know how realistic that is, but I think focusing one’s own personal victories and growth as a player would be a good way of increasing enjoyment and feelings of lack of control.
poorly phrased but yeah i agree
I used to have this mentality but eventually I realized that, by that logic, if they're truly that bad I can just take the elo and they'll lose it next game anyway
well said Nate, because its not guaranted u'll win next game either therefor might as well take the dub right away and move on, i beleive its a form of tilt or bad mental, positive energy always win!
That's a good and healthy way of viewing it, but the vigilante justice you can get from punishing bad behaviour is worth the temporary loss. Noone is forced to tolerate someone who doesn't care about your time enough to try to win. After all, we all agree to CARE about our ranked matches before queuing up, instead of playing on autopilot.
A bad player isn't that bad to have, you can't fault him for trying his best, but you ABSOLUTELY CAN fault the capable smurf who just decides to not try as hard because "it's not even my main so it's w/e".
I'll never understand playing ranked and not wanting to win. I've played in bronze up to diamond and literally the biggest difference between low and high elo is just whoever wants to win more. There are people in diamond that refuse to win just as much as bronze.
as a diamond player. Part of me needs to see 100% effort in teamwork. AKA if you're just inting and not listening; plenty of afk farmers in jungle or rage splitters in diamond then im not gonna put in that effort to win. I become detached from giving it my all when i dnt see similar input from teammates. Its like you're assigned a group project but there are 3 slackers on your team making you do everything so they can get "the win" or the "A". If you're feeding but listening to calls i have no problem in keeping that 100% effort for us to win. But when you're clearly given up or griefing then im waiting for 15/20 ff.
@@Astelch This. I play a ton of Dead By Daylight and people constantly complain about survivors giving up on first hook and they always act like it's because they didn't like the killer, or because they got hooked first. 99.999999999% of the time I give up on hook is because I see my teammates actively not trying to win. Why continue a game when the majority of your team isn't actively pursuing a victory?! I don't care that much about winning to slam my head against a wall to try to call this dead weight over the finish line. It's the reason I've quit LoL every single time I've quit, ~5 times now. The amount of people that refuse to try to win but also refuse to FF.
@@atrozzorta9602 welcome to league. The people who are griefing you dont want it to end. They'll vote no and you can hold hostage until the very end.
If you don't put in the work why would i try to win and need to play at 130% ? you don't do the work you don't deserve to be carried
I understand not wanting to win to SPITE another person. Some dipshit wrote to me, and I quote "I don't care ?", after me asking for a countergank and the procesing to die. Maybe I could have played it better, but all room for introspection gets thrown out the window when someone doesn't respect my time to care enough about the game. If you wanna play on autopilot, take responsibility and apologise AT LEAST.
I always tell friends “League players need annual mental health checks”
I'd pass with flying colors, too old to care about toxicity. I feel bad for the ones that want to hit highest rank possible though.
Comebacks now is simpler that any time for the past 3-4 years. Community mentality of "ff 15" is destroying chances of comeback more than LoL balance state.
not true. most of the things like plates and such that were made to make the "comebacks possible" are all being abused by the winning teams now... so you will never get shit from the "comeback mechanics"
yeah comebacks are way easier, to the point that early game doesnt mean shit tho
I try to not give up games, but is too hard when 2 of your team mates are just doing random stuff on the jungle and only 3 of your team mates are focusing o trying to do something, and the other team are 5 dudes always together in a constant 3v5
@@masteradvance Yeah i just had this.. our team picks the worst draft ever with heimer mid, Brand support, AP shaco jungle, with darius and smolder... we somehow start winning hard on everywhere but botlane "this could be seen from a mile away as brand is just piss useless support" and we almost throw cause me and Darius are trying to coordinate objectives and pushes and our brand and shaco are running off to kill mentally ill renekton who went AP leaving us at best 3v4 and usually 2v4 fights which.. at 32 minutes finally go our way as they somehow missed their one shot on me (smolder) and i hard carry the fight 1v4 while everyone else does jack shit... like... what the fuck is this community...
@@FaceFish9 I know and I dare to say, even with some troll picks, the game can be win, but it is impossible when other players just straight go to kill themselves or just plain do nothing
Also hate when the enemy team don't try to win just to get more kills
Inting one game is nothing.
Flaming in chat is nothing.
The fun begins when someone type your nickname into their notepad. Who knows, knows..
I've done that.
@@Xezian And you say that so proudly.
@@davguevwhat indicated it was proud at all>
The problem with League is it’s the only game that 1 person can ruin your chances of winning. In other games, you might be able to pull off a 4v5, a troll, a feeder. But in League, it takes one person to ruin everything and feed the enemy team kill after kill after kill. No matter how well you farm, no matter how good you’re playing in your lane, it doesn’t matter against the fed enemy bot lane.
''The problem with League is it’s the only game that 1 person can ruin your chances of winning.'' That is...just not true.
I have had plenty of 4v5 wins even in recent times, but I will agree it is a LOT harder than it used to be, and usually the wins come from the absent player being afk in spawn, rather than constantly running it down. So I don’t fully agree that it only takes ONE player to ruin the game for everyone else on the team, but a single bad apple CAN potentially spoil the bunch.
@@commandercritic9036 well i think it depends on your role, I think jg is far too important of a role. If jg runs it, its game over. If any other lane runs it, the game is salvageable to a certain extent
Hard to say (IDK if I'm ML player or not) but that alone is the main reason why MLBB will never die because not even 1 or more bad teammates can ruin the chances of winning unlike LoL
But at the end of the day the only one making it a problem for you is you. You cannot control others. You should enjoy the game because you enjoy the game; not because you're winning and not losing.
If you only enjoy playing when you're winning then you need to really ask yourself if you should be playing a team based competitive game.
I've played league and valorant for years. This gatekeeper mentality exists in all competitive games. It is mainly because you *care* too much about your rank, and have an obsession of reaching higher so you can show it off and feel good about yourself. So you hold yourself with high standards and blame your teammates over the smallest mistakes, (which you could be easily doing too). Instead what you should be doing is focusing on your own gameplay (all the time), and playing with the team as much as possible, leveraging trolls etc., while being self-critical. This is why ranked is so shit because everyone cares too much about their ranks in a video game.. 😅
This homie gets it
Turning your logic on its head.
Why not just fuck with people if its just a game. You are for sure getting in some people heads and there are 0 reprocutions.
The only reasonable thing to combat this is report and pray for a ban.
Though separate accounts means this doesn't mean anything.
Ranked isnt the best to see your skill toh, you can just go in clash with your mates and win there and if you win more you get more difficult clashes regardless. We use ranked to train for the clash in particular. The same way we use cs premier to then go on face it tournaments and challengermode paid events
@@kacecrimson8297except that's what some people do. It's why alot of people trash talk which is to just get the enemy tilted and hopefully mess up.
Tbh I have played DOTA for 8 years and loved it, but the toxicity of LoL is just worse. It feels like no one wants to think about their own gameplay before critizing others. They also don't welcome new players, instead keep using slurs or ****. I won't be playing it again in the future for all I care.
I don't even play ranked in Dota. Just bots, there are people who simply leave for just a thought of getting killed by a bot once. But the rest of us just remain and thought of getting 3 humans v 5 hard bots as a challenge.
@@Magicwaterz Man that is funny as hell. But DOTA bots are HARD to play against XD.
LMAO exactly when this video came out I was in Valorant comp game with a Reyna smurf, that didn't get the ace (don't know if he could but our Sova knifed the last guy) and decided to throw the whole match (8:4 for us until that point). He and his friend were staying on spawn, he was stealing the spike and typing our locations in chat. I think it's hurt ego, childish behaviour, the less love a person gets in their day to day life, the worse toxic troll they are in the server imo
The problem is there is no negative stimulus for doing this. Players gatekeep and continue on their day with no punishment.
No punishment for surrender spamming, no punishment for afk split pushing all game, no punishment for gate keeping. Why do you think people keep doing it?
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This is not just League problem. This exact same issue happens in all team based games where there is a ranked ladder. Some people just dont want to see others win anything and they just want to see others suffer
LoL is the worst tho every single game I play has a toxic person in it to the point I just mute all
I think when people see or think they can't win, they realize they will get more satisfaction out of seeing their teammates suffer.
Look at them then you'll understand why they like seeing others suffer.
It's all about control, some people can't understand no matter what they do in life, sometimes, things are just not in your own control.
We see this in the world everyday, it's a common theme of life and battling to regain control in some ways a very admiral quality, if it goes too far and descends into mental illness like we see in league, it ends in extreme toxic behaviour.
I can see where they’re coming from. If I’m dedicating my free time to play video games, I want full control on how I use that time. It’s why I shifted away from League since the team-based nature really is unappealing after having played more single players/1v1 games.
@@lametrain9667 Then it's good that you recognised League isn't for you and moved away from it. It's sad seeing people who obviously don't like League continuing to play; it's nothing less than a destructive addiction for them.
This is the most frustrating thing in my LoL experience. Mainly because, the logic behind it, is just stupid. Losing a game naturally is one thing, losing on purpose just makes me mentally feel like I wasted all that time for nothing. It just feels bad when this happens
Now imagine a person who takes delight in your very sorrow.
Ding ding ding
That's why people do it
@@kacecrimson8297 And that is something I could never actually understand. Esp in a video game
@XxTraGiKzx it's not rocket science.
Humans can feel joy even from pain sometimes. Others enjoy hurting others, for several reasons.
And in a video game, one can do this with 0 repercussions
i do this to people who keep picking freaking Xerath/velkoz support... f those people and their time, i'll rather put a podcast or anime on the second monitor and have fun playing a PvE League match than try with that filth...
You have to be a powerless nerd in real life to throw games on purpose in league.
"My teamates are tools" - Dr.Guy 2024
If only
I've had a different experience with this. Instead of "team bad so I'll lose" it was "team mate hyper toxic, so I'll lose".
Basically our game was going relatively well, everyone on our team was doing well, but our mid decided to be extremely toxic to the enemy team by taunting, gloating they were carrying (which was debateable as me and my adc were doing pretty well and busted their team many times), and just ignoring objectives in favor of getting kills, in a ranked match mind you. I did ask the enemy team if they could report our mid for this behavior since even I was not enjoying it at all. So what happened?
Suddenly our jungler just kinda began to not show up and I was so caught up on trying to keep everything rolling I didn't notice they were at our base just walking back and forth between fountain and the turrets.
Soon the enemy was catching up, but our mid was still talking shit, and we began losing objectives, towers, everything was crumbling and I asked what the hell our jungler was doing. Their response? "Mid is being toxic so I'm not gonna play because they don't deserve to win". Just like that. We were in a 4v5 situation now, and to avoid an AFK penalty that's what our jungler did, running back and forth doing nothing. Our mid KEPT going, kept flaming the enemy, the whole thing really. It even came to the point my adc was gonna do the same fucking thing, which made me just BEG them to not do it, I had to, figuratively, get on my hands and knees to beg them to not do this.
My adc said "alright I'll do it for you" and went in, we won a teamfight barely and closed the game.
I asked the enemy to report both our mid and jungler for the attitude and I chastised the living shit out of our jungler for it.
Guys, if you do not want a toxic prick to play, if you want to punish them, just fucking report them at the end of the game. Don't do this kind of thing of "I'm losing so they don't win", it makes you so much worse than the toxic prick you want to punish.
I think Sanch doesn’t actually fall under the category, whereas SRO definitely does 💀
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The same thing happens in dota 2 tbh, and happens to me from time to time... most of time I'm fine with loosing to better teams, or having people on my team that suck but, hey, they are trying their best, but they are having a bad game. But then there's the guy that asks for last pick mid, and picks the worst hero possible for his mid match up even after being told to please pick a better match up. Proceeds to solo die 3 times in 5 mins and starts flaming teammates in russian. I swear these games I really want to lose, and I feel very bad having this sentiment
Ex dota addict here.. back in the day i dont think i saw this ever on ranked, also never heard a guy say they would lose mmr to "punish" you, and those ppl typica get thrown in low priority fast.. has anything changed? I heard ppl even got "toxic lump of coals" in Christmas and got banned, has dota improved? Toxic mid russian or peruvian is expected, but tbh sometimes you can even fight back 4 vs 5, it demoralizes to see ppl like that but i mean its a team game, put them on low prio and be happy man, sometimes is hard but i mean i take them like a practice game, you can practice rally normal ppl and mechanics to find something good in the suck
>An even match.
>One player just playing selflessly but the other 4 plays individually.
>One player gets a good KDA.
>4 players try to get a kill on their own but failed.
>They aware of that player so they starts inting.
>Match is favored to the enemy.
>4 players are attempting to play like a MC to 'redempt' themselves on one big teamfight.
>Teamfight failed however the one player gets a penta.
>His 4 ally player just ff after the penta.
>I really deserve to lose.
5:16 it's ironic that blue checkmark used to indicate that that account is trusted or at least have some community contributon, but now, when I see a blue checkmark I just see them as a loser who pay for twitter
Great analysis and journalism!
I think the best thing Riot can do in the short term is "ban" people from ranked if they have a tendancy to FF early and often. those guys in my opinion should be in the quickplay queue, which should seperate them from people who are legit trying to climb, while still leaving the game playable for this specific type of troll
Way back in the day, long before the Mage update, I used to main AD Malz mid. Had a good WR overall, but I constantly got gatekept by players because I was playing an off-meta strat and (usually) performing well on it. I generally play off-meta because I enjoy it, so that constant experience really soured me on Ranked.
its so absurd to me that people cant realise there is a reason why they are matched in the same game.
if you only play yuumi jgl and are in the same game with me, than u are about as good on yuumi jgl as i am on my role and champs.
unless someone is intentionally playing something worse than they usually do there is no reason to have any grudge.
yet 95% of players havent thought of this 2 step logic.
literally every coaching i gave i talked about this within the first few hours as people always ask how to carry bad teammates rather than how to fix their own mistakes.
it is very funny to me that it is so rare even in people willing to pay for coaching, to focus on yourself rather than your teammates.
the second tft gets its own client im uninstalling league.
Should probably only do that in Draft and not Ranked. People take the game too seriously in ranked to want to be messed with like that.
@@NoisyyCricket thats the fault of the community tho and not the fault of someone who wants to play offmeta
@@NoisyyCricket Why are you gatekeeping my playstyle?
@@monstermilk6092 I mean it's pretty funny
Lets be perfectly honest here, the reason its so widespread in League is because riot treats trash people with the most delicate of kid gloves and refuse to give people proper consequences for their actions. Just look at The Score eSports official favorite personality ever, Tyler1. Hes an absolutely awful human being who should never have been allowed so many second chances, but Riot ket him get away with anything he wants, and other people emulate him because they know they wont really be punished.
Agreed they dont do anything.. tbh i played lol and dota and its infuriating that the company that makes more money gives no shits for their player base.. you can see it even on the game itself, back in the day lol was stuck in dx8 or 9 for ages cuz why bother updating if you guys take it in the ass? Then dota got all kind of tech updates, changes to maps, champions, fast patch fixes, match making down to intros on each match forceach team like its a tournament or something, mvp selection based on performance, you can select, announcers, map appereance, map soundtracks, even creep appereance , a solo test mode to review how a skin will look before buying, run builds, select you lvl ability points etc to theory craft , hero apperance preview right there on the pick up screen.. all this while League still had the weird launcher that looks like a java window loading a web page that pops up because you caught a virus.. its basically still has.. slowly i realized Riot cares only for money so i left.. i left dota too with time and moved on from mobas, but i still remember the frustration when i realized they dont care at all
What's funny is there is another phenomena called self fulfilling prophecy where because of your preconceived notions you inadvertently contribute to that idea playing out.
as a Dota player when someone gets toxic I ask some questions and try to fix it or play harder to win. I feel surrender and fewer comeback mechanics has caused this mind set.
I remember during the tank meta season years ago, games that last more than 30+ minutes is common and people tend to not FF early cause most carries being used are late game monsters like Viktor, Azir, and Corki.
But people who watches eSports finds it boring to look at so Riot seems to have shifted to snowball games where being ahead just by a little bit is enough for a win.
And the prices as well, lmao, I remember BF sword was worth like 1600 same as the Large Rod.
I had a zed in my game last year, normal match... he was so toxic that when I killed one dude who would've died to his ultimate, he wanted to get back at me... I was a 14 for 1 hecarim when he was busted, we lost... why? It started with the enemy vayne getting a double shut down on us because when I got a pick with him next to me, she appeared and started fighting... I got the jgl, and he just stood still next to me for the whole fight so she could kill me at low HP... then, when I died, he ulted her... and died to her...
And he left me alone one more time, and went full try hard afterward just to lose... because they got the gold difference back and swung it around into a hyper carry.
Even if league players don't go full int, they lose when they just get spiteful for one fight.
The dude was diamond... I'm unranked...
Just link a therapist after a negative attitude ban
valorant is the same. cs is the same.
*similar, not the same. It's way worse in League.
@@InTecknicolour ive seen you solo games before teck.
@@InTecknicolour you never could
The difference is the severity of the issue. In Val or cs people don’t inherently have an advantage against you consistently because a rifle and shields + full util is all they can get. So the fight is still winnable. However, 6 item team vs your 2 or 3 items in league isn’t playable even if you are better. This is proven by pro players still loosing some games in low elo.
@@captaineflowchapka5535 nah ive literally seen teck solo like 10 games in a row. he just trying to make riot look bad. the comeback mechanics are there.
Fun fact before quitting league for good, I also trolled and int fed as hard as I could to get me banned and nothing happened. Though it was fun ruining other ppl games just like they did mine in the past, you feel satisfaction at people raging over you intentionally trying to lose their promos and shit. Countless people over the years asked riot to implement LP gain/loss based on your performance in that game to fix this issue, nobody listened. Ah well, kinda sad to see game i used to play nonstop is dead now, but Riot bought it on themselves.
I never understood the people that talk to the enemy team like they are there bff's. They are literally the enemy team.
As someone who played League for years I can confirm these guys exsist. And when you call them out for it they replied with "its just a game why are yoy taking it seriously"
No, Valorant is NOT the same. Yes there always is a troll. But at least Valorant has voice comms. And because of that, the experience is 100X better, night and day. I've played League all of my life, reached diamond 1, played Valorant since beta, reached Immortal top 3K. Because Valorant has voice comms, the game is very very good compared to any other competitive fps.
This is one of the reasons I stopped playing jungle. I would be hard carrying my bot and top lanes and no matter how much advantage I gave them, they would just do stupid shit. They wouldn’t Ward, they wouldn’t come help with objectives, they would solo dive a full team, top lane would tp into mid, 30 seconds before drag spawns, and try to fight the midlander who’s up two levels on them. It’s so frustrating to be constantly fighting against not just the enemies, but the consequences of your stupid teammates. things got a bit better when I stopped playing jungle but the same problem persists where no matter what role you play, or how well you play it, it all doesn’t matter if your teammates don’t care.
a moba game really is prone to more toxicity than a tactical shooter, because the chance of you solo carrying the team is very low and vary between role, unlike Tac FPS where you can almost always (try to) solo carry your team, even if you lose, if you top frag you still lose less RR
I was 100% one of those people in dota 2 like 5-6 years ago, it really is the mindset that these fucking idiots keep ruining MY game and MY mmr and MY experience. I had to just completely stop playing ranked in dota for many years. My mmr is in the toilet now, but I am FAR better at letting the games and bad teammates go and move on.
The argument that comebacks don't happen has to be the biggest joke ever. The game hasn't been this easy to comeback ever in it's history. I swear to god every game is winnable rn with all these bs 1k shutdowns and objective bounties and the amount of gold that tower give overall. Also these comeback mechanics are just toxic af since they punish good play. S8 and S9 was peak when the game actually rewarded good play, this was also seen in pro play it was the time when good mechanical players emerged from soloq and we even saw entire rosters built around these players most notably the 2019 Griffin and Damwon rosters.
Val is literally going through the same thing right now. Riot does not want to make their players happy right now and it's EXTREMELY frustrating
There's only one way to fix/solve the multiplayer gaming toxicity:
Which is to design a both roster balance and intuitive gameplay where it's more of like "team with one or more highskilled/passionate teammates enable to carry them to victory" instead of "team will be instantly lost by at least one bad teammate" (which most mobas specially League of Legends is designed for this latter part)
Please spread this solution so us online gamers will set higher standards of what good online games should be
Bonus: Other than make it balance, guys, make the gameplay feel fun, not frustrating, because what's still the point of "balanced" if the game itself is frustrating and unfun to play in the first place
i have never self sabotages a game, but i have looked at a victory screen hoping we had lost instead
I experience this in Dota as well but only once in a blue moon. The griefing player got also reported and sent to shadow realm for griefing and toxic chat.
havent played league in a couple years but nice to see nothing has changed
every couple months i watch a video about league and somehow the topic is almost always how problematic the toxicity is
I didn’t understand it up until i had a jungler that didnt leave after i pinged him off my wave and he got the stacked wave (4ish waves at level 3 or something) i was prepping for myself after a gank, so i just decided that this was gonna be a game we were gonna lose after that. Funny enough that was probably the hardest game to lose i’ve ever had. Probably the only game I’ve actively griefed on, idk he just struck a nerve or something.
I never understood the "I don't mind losing if he losses" menthality, like most of the memorable wins I had in my life was when the game was lost and then in a miracle teamfight or two we won the game, I feel proud when I carry a "bad" teammate.
it's easy to fix. you gain or lose point based on your performance (SABCD) other people couldn't affect you. These notes are not just kda so ... could work. Like in apex when you could gain point by killing people instead of winning game. You gained a lot more if you won though. so S guy should lose 1 points for instance on a lose, D guys lose 50 ... So no excuses, and non toxic players in a game could mitigate their loss, so it gives an incentive to keep playing good even when matched with toxic shits.
Also it is not only punish. it's rewarding. People wants to punish punish punish that is the mentality of lol. This is dumb and negative.
So how fo you determine how well someone does ? Because if you go by any stat except kda you just made a system where a smurf could kill the enemy get a good ranking come steal your farm split your xp make you look horrible being down gold xp damage and lose the game making you lose even more while they gain lp I don't think that's the solution
@@zSpec the game already do that didn't you read? - - >(sabcd)
@toonpomme5178 yes that grade can be affected by other people intentionally taking things from you that score Is based on the average player of that rank so if you get less minions because someone takes your minions, lower level than average because they share or take xp , no kills or damage because you have less gold from the aforementioned things your score will be horrible and it is directly affected by someone trolling you where their score will be higher due to more gold more damage etc so people getting trolled by smurfs get punished even harder losing and having a bad score vs even if the troll loses if they get a good score you're saying they should gain lp so people that smurf to ruin games can now ruin teammates games even more than before how does that fix the issue
@@zSpec dude do you even imagine the task ? People are ruining games by feeding. That is easy. Making your grade lower is very difficult. Making you from s to d is almost impossible. And if. A player can make you do that maybe you actually deserve a lower grade. Stop looking for negative. I though you had no idea what you were talking about with your astralis logo and was about to say '' go back to your FPS games'' but you seems to look for negativity and ways that stuff dont work. I guess you are a real lol gamer after all
and let say you are right, now if 1 guy feed 4 guys lose. your senario (which is not realistic) save at least 3. still a better one
I don't think this is entirely accurate. I've never thrown a game, but there's games I'm glad I lost because of scumbag teammates.
Like one example was I had a hardware malfunction, never happened before and suddenly happened twice in one game. I felt honestly bad, and most of my team understood shit happens, everyone except my scumbag jungler. I thought his name looked familiar so I ended up looking it up, MFER was a Twitch ADC I'd had a week before who DC'd at 40 minutes and never came back. I didn't intentionally lose, but I was happy that I made my jungler lose once I remembered who they were.
It's the classic case of it being less embarrassing to lose a match because "well I didn't even try to win" than giving it your best shot and still losing.
This also happens in ow
Any game with a competitive ranking like League is wild when you consider that these communities don't seem to play them for the enjoyment of playing them; they play it only because they want to win at something.
When I started playing League, for example, you had to call out your role and didn't complain you got any other role; you just played because you wanted to play and got better because you wanted to get better. If someone threw the game because of rage you just went, "Eh. Sucks to be that guy." And just played another game because you enjoyed playing; win or lose.
They want to be the best player in the lobby so they're throwing so they dont get into a lobby with people at a similar level. Theyve managed to somehow have more cringe way of smurfing
Well, to be honest, I did this once, and the reason was quite simple. I was playing URF for the first time in a while, went bot to ward the enemy jungle, then one person in my team kept revealing my position in the /all chat, because apparently I was a fucking try-hard.
So, after that, I decided, I simply didn't want them to win and if they were ruining my game, I'd rather do the same than carrying them. I then fed until mid game and then played normally after, knowing it was already unwinnable.
Yes, this was simply and URF game, in my experience people in League of Legends are the most toxic on seasonal game modes, following ARAM, Normal and the less toxic is Ranked... Ironically.
Every guide out there will tell you how to wave manage. It will tell you basic macro concepts. It will try to help you itemize better, and give you frameworks for viewing different matchups. One of THE most important things you need to understand to climb in this game is that a significant portion of the player base does this (behavior described in video). That means, navigating the fragile egos of your team mates IS part of your win condition, every... single... game. Don't type, ever. Turn chat off so they don't tilt you. Be mindful that the WAY in which you ping can also set them off. You can try to be positive to reenforce their good behavior if something good happens like, you take a good trade and you thumbs up the ADC or, you thumbs up your jungler if they gank and get sums etc. Lastly, you can do everything right and someone can still sabotage. No sense in being upset about it, you're almost never going to win when this happens so it's better go into damage control mode. Go limit test, try a new item, make risky plays to try andflip the game on its head, coin flip baron etc.. Try and have fun and or learn a couple new things because, people like this will also usually never surrender to hold everyone hostage. Don't carry baggage into the next game, if you're still tilted about someone like this don't queue up, or run an ARAM or something. I had a 75 percent winrate in diamond last season and honestly, I'm bad. Just a fundamentals type player that understands the human ego.
This is one of the few reason I don’t play the game much anymore it’s one thing to play with people who aren’t as good it is difficult to win but not impossible. The growing number of players trying to lose games is just sad and ruins the game for everyone.
The game where a single person can't win a game, but a single person can ruin a game has a problem about a single person refusing to play. Who would've thought?
This guy talks like it’s something new, we have this for over 7 years where people have int lists and did. this regularly.
Pro Tip: you got someone you don’t like about to demote? int them to ruin the mmr further to permanently sabotage their op gain
@@leonsixt2744 I still remember Tyler int list lol
There is a reason why I pretty much auto-mute everyone on my teams. And sometimes the enemy as well. Peace and quiet.
this guy my favorite theScore Reporter
people don't handle adversity with trying harder anymore. and if you are actually trying, you can usually learn something when you lose to become better at the game.
yep I learn im a piece of trash, and I should uninstall
it's sadly very true. it's in all games too. This is why companies keep ramping up SBMM. They get matched with people who are clearly better and they just quit and give up instead of continuing. They cater to these people via SBMM and most of them don't even understand it.
Saw the title and expected Dimitri losing his mind throughout
I don't think it's just league it's online gaming in general. I've seen people int on AI bosses in mmorpgs just because they want to prove a certain useless shitty point. I see people throwing my valorant games just because I said 'please do x thing' on the vc. Toxicity certainly breeds deeper in the heads of these people which is also a reflection of their personalities.
What happened to losing, accepting it and having a nice talk to teammates while waiting for the unevidable defeat? Man it's just a game, you win some, you lose some. That's how it's always been
gatekeeping works the other way round also, so like when you play poorly and people flame you, after some time if this happens all the time then i just stopped playing and naturally lost the game instead of trying. because why should you try when youre constantly confronted with negativity
My man got an expert to explain spite.
People complaining that Riot went too far with actually fining people for “toxic behaviour” seem to forget about the games they play, and publicly complain about the mentality it bred. I don’t like it either but i don’t know how Riot can actually do anything about unsportsmanlike conduct outside of the pro scene without said players’ trying to turn it around and using whatever “punishment method” is given on innocent players in return
When he said "I talked to an expert", I was hoping Dmitri was gonna come into frame.
If someone on my team says something toxic or racist theres a 75%-100% chance i will intentionally sandbag (Not int, just not kill enemies i can and just farm up and play passive) just to report them and see them rage more and get banned.
My thought process has always been "why would i bother putting in all of my effort if i have someone on my team actively not putting all of his" its a TEAM based game you try? i try! you int or make stupid high risk low reward plays that take any leads we had and throw them in the gutter? welp suddenly this game isnt worth my mental effort anymore
This happens also to Dota 2 a lot. Somebody queues for hard support but picks up a core hero and whines all game if you'd call him out.
I've had plenty of games as a 20+ kills assassin where I picked off carries all the time but my team got dismantled 2v4 by all but fed enemies, ignored the concept of objectives and couldn't win a fight if their life depended on it. Now either they change how lp are rewarded and make it so if you win but perform horribly you do not gain shit or this won't change ever.
0-20 and opponent team won’t end. I won’t ffs, let’s suffer
I absolutely love the "Carpenter Blaming their tools" analogy. I see this in TCGs all the time. Why take any responsibility, when you can just blame your deck? lol
Tldr: “it’s your day, ruin it yourself by playing league of legends”
I'm the type to always vote "No" on a surrender vote unless the enemy team is guaranteed to destroy my nexus. One or two enemy misplays in the late game can be all it takes to make a comeback and surrendering never allows for that opportunity.
Griefing in a PvP 1v1 is another story.
How about griefing in a 5 vs bots match. I legit saw a dude following his mid and taking whatever he's farming the entire game. In a goddamn bot match
@@smilinggeneral8870 they could try so hard do everything possible to in feed all there kills to one bot whose playing rumble and the bots would still lose lol I wish someone would int a bot game that'd be so funny
Played 10 games before stoping, reason is that I'm always being matched to veteran player while my teamates don't know what to do, time to time i get teamates that is decent but not good enought against better enemy, plus whilr im busy making sense what to buy your teamates find someone to blame the higher the death became the scapegoat of the team. It get boring n the longer you play and lastly the hero are lock behind currency😢 and also the roles didn't make sense for new player.
Never thrown a game deliberately but I used to say "go next, dont need this win, neither do you deserve it" if they get wiped 4v5 when I've made every successful call to that point. (oh they'd need to be acting like they're 1v9'ing while being 0-12 in 9 mins for me to get to that point)
The reason comebacks dont happen that often is cause too many people are giving up in the first 10min of the game. Valorant had this problem too where a team would go 0 - 4 and some people would just throw up the FF and say the games over. Peoples mentality for being able to handle short term losing is insanely low they assume if they aren't winning hard enough then the games a loss instead of trying to fight for a comeback.
Best solution: If you're a petty no-hand, don't play competitive. You are the issue for the team no matter where you go.
I played dota before league and I was thinking that “no way league is more toxic then dota”. In dota it’s considered omega early to start giving up at minute 18, in league there people giving up at minute 3. And it’s not that games are shorter,no it’s the fact that comebacks are almost impossible. I played like 200 games and I remember only twice coming back from a losing game(and that’s considering me and my friends RARELY surrender in LOL)
I am a Bronze 1 gate keeper.
I call out anyone who is not on my level.
Obviously those who perform better than me are sweaty tryhards
I like to compare LoL to joining a random game of pick up basketball at the local Y. Except one person shows up late, another doesnt show up at all, and lastly one wants to play in high heels because "it isnt meta".
I always play with the mentality of: “If I'm not going to win, I'll at least make it a hard win for the enemy team”
People should think like that more, I've won some games that were "lost" since the first 5 minutes
In all honesty I’ve done this a few times, but I wouldn’t say it’s because my ego can’t handle it I know I’m not that great, it’s mainly because I got into an argument with a team mate and it got so heated I tried to screw them over.
as a support main ive ran into this a bunch. you just have all the dmg dealers flaming eachother and im just there like "i heal now!"
it has gotten so much worse this season it is nuts... people who play all day only to do this to people
I've 100% seen this. While I will admit to "rage splitting" (I love that term even though I do tend to play Yorick a lot so I'm not sure it applies since he is a split pushing champion), I have been in games where, for example, my mid laner (Yone) got a pentakill and then proceeded to AFK farm because he felt he was so much better than the rest of us that we weren't worthy of the win. Other examples abound.
It's rare but I've had teammates that were so toxic but good at the game and the entire team agreed to surrender just to keep that player from winning.we played it out until we were about to hit the nexus. Then surrendered it was great.
The ONLY time i have used "You don't deserve to win" was in a 40+ min Game, we where loosing but by some miracle or the enemy team fn up we had a Nice and strong comeback, but then our toplaner the tryndamere started flaming and taunting the enemy team, when we where at the inhibitors destroying their base the trynd started to use slurs and very awful insults, so i said to our team "this tryndamere does not deserve to win" and the 4 of us voted yes for ff and i typed in all chat "this tryndamere does not deserve the win'
I loved the 40-60 minute games they were super fun, 1 good game of league actually felt good.
I just want my 0/12 teammates to stop being the single one to hold the team hostage by refusing to ff and go next.
Learn witchcraft
Curse them
Cause I see no other way for you do mitigate that situation without just giving up yourself
The problem is no one wants to be the person who is nice. Everyone escalates toxicity.
A Pitier kind of Crab Mentality 😂