You are spot on, my f150 was ordered by the dealer with the exact options you have. Most people dont know these trucks even exist and think it is just a half ton truck. These trucks have the capacity of prvious 3/4 ton trucks and are purpose built by ford for towing. Generally these packages are on fleet trucks. Our local dealer added the packages to several trucks they ordered. If you dont know what to look for, most sales guys dont either. You really have to study up, or find people like us who have them. My f150 easly out tows my old f350. Problem is, unless someone spells it out like you did, you dont even know what they are. I knew part of what i wanted, sales guy knew nothing, i looked at several door codes and and window stickers when i found a row of trucks with that setup. I basically stumbled into mine by sheer luck. As an fyi, the 13,500k towing after our options are just 20" wheels. But you can change to load range c tire or better to get that capacity. My truck has the 13K capacity and i have only ever been near 10k. For those guys that freak out about not having a diesel and a one ton, that does apply in some cases but these new trucks and the engineering behind them allow it.
GREAT VIDEO!!!! You know your equipment, conducted your research and used great decisions making process for what was good for your situation. This will help all the 1/2 ton towers understand what they need & give them confidence to tow. For people that mandate diesel, 3/4 & 1 ton trucks for towing. Hopefully this shows them too if properly equipped a 1/2 can do it too. Great job! *slow clap*
Great video.. just to add when towing subtract 2% per 1000 ft of elevation above sea level.. it can save you fuel and unnecessary wear on your vehicle..
I tow with an F150 equipt with the 3.5L as well. Helpful hint for downhill travel is to use your transmission to help control your speed. You’ll save your brakes.
We have a 2016 30 ft international signature , I think it’s basically same weight but we tow with a 2015 6.7 Cummins 2500 I love the extra stability and Exhaust brake , I had a Tundra 7 mpg sucked but what I Really like and everyone should consider when buy a Camper and truck remember when you go get GAS vs Diesel , it’s soooooooo much easier getting to Diesel pumps (truck stops) vs trying to wiggle around the gas pumps and finding a place you won’t get stuck . Not to mention 15-18 mpg
Thank you. A great honest talk about towing with an F150. After 40 years at Ford and in Powertrain Engineering for all that time I went with a 2017 F150 XLT SC with an 8’ box and a 5.0 Liter. I know a bit less on torque but a much better engine. I tow a 1972 Avion like an Airstream 28’ but want a newer Airstream with a passion. 30’ is the goal so thank your for sharing your thoughts. Well done!
Great video, thanks for sharing...and yes, your F-150's payload is 300lb. Higher than my 2017 F-250 crew cab diesel. Had no idea you could build one with a payload that capable. Impressive 👍
@@wadebrewer7212 The payload is a big plus when towing but it is not the only factor that makes towing less stressful. The video shows he is also using the ProPride 3P hitch which is hands down the safest hitch to use towing travel trailers. Another important area half tons fall short regardless of the build is a relatively light GVWR of around 7100 lbs. This is where the HD trucks will provide a much more planted tow because they are much heavier . The airstream he is towing is also shorter and more streamline than most travel trailers in the 7500-8500 weight range. Our taller, boxier GD travel trailer was pushing our F150 around pretty good in the winds and from big truck push. We have a 3P hitch too and it eliminates sway but the entire tow rig still got pushed around as a unit. We eventually traded the F150 for an F350 for the increased payload of 3600 lbs and a GVWR of 11,500 lbs. Our diesel F350 empty weights more than our F150 loaded and still gets 12 mpg towing our 7500lb GD trailer. Our F350 is not a daily driver and is used mainly for towing our trailer. The difference in towing experience is just far superior to our F150.
@@fedguy9182 I ended up buying a 22 Cummins. Had a 1500 and with little trouble out it traded in with 154k miles, still got 12k for the trade. Stick with what you know. I had years ago an F350 single wheel with the sick liter (yes, I spelled thst wrong on purpose). It ran well and I twoed with it, but since owning Ram, I'm sold on them being a good vehicle. Let's see how the 22 does.
We tow our Rockwood trailer 26 ft 6,000 dry weight ford150 eco boost 3.5 liter with Max tow package.With a safe weigh Hitch. It tows like nothing. We wouldn’t tow a longer length then 26 feet or heavier. We would be worried about it being a little heavier on tongue weight. We’re happy with our truck and towing payload of our trailer and truck together. It tows very nice on high grade roads. Enough torque. Our truck has the engine break.
It's because the diesel engines are so much heavier than gas engines, which takes away from Payload. Payload isn't a function of power as much as the capability of the suspension and frame.
That practical way of thinking you have is awesome...I myself do that...that truck config is amazing and it's easily seen you do your proper research for all your equipment...I wouldn't mind getting one myself like that. The problem is that youtube channels like TFL truck misguide people into thinking big, expensive diesel trucks are needed to tow anything....and that's not true. Very honest, logical video...awesome!
Good job on spec'ing this. I have a 2022 version of this truck. They are not unicorns but are still rare. However, ford stopping building this truck in 2023. They might reintroduce this as an F-200, but only time will tell. Max Tow/HDPP was a 5-10% build for F150 overall. I have an RCLB with 141 wheelbase. Yours is much long with that long bed (yours is 157/164 i think, which helps alot, except for turn radius) , so would tow better. Longer wheelbase of the truck is better. The MaxTow/HDPP is something that people don't understand. An F150 with HDPP is really a 5/8ton for modern trucks. If you get an F250, you pay in gas mileage but have bigger breaks and 1k+ more weight.
Sweet ride, loved all my ecoboost 3.5 's 2015,2018 now2021 hybrid. Has great power and not to bad fuel economy with a good ride. Would love to have a 6.5 bed.
With the right truck options, the right load tires and with that hitch setup, that half ton is just fine. One thing to note most leave out. The rear axle rating. Drive over a scale and see how your load is balanced. Make sure your loaded properly across the truck and trailer.
Thank you so much. We’re planning to get our own Unicorn almost exactly like yours. Special order, of course. And we will be trading up to a 30 foot International. With all the naysayers insisting you need a 250 or 350 for this size rig, it was awesome to hear your good experience. If Ford says it will tow 14,000 pounds, it should be fine. Knowing it IS was reassuring.
My pleasure Stuart. I will also note that having a Propride / Hensley hitch on the Airstream has also made all the difference in the world while towing. It's expensive but I think its worth it as you tow these 30' + Airstreams. If you're not familiar with the hitch I talk about it here: czcams.com/video/zO8YohZ6_UY/video.html Cheers, John
This is an extremely helpful video. Thank you very much for posting this. Love all the detail you are including. I am in CO and looking at a 30RB and F250 and had many questions you answered!
I had a 2012 F150 with similar equipment to hours. We trailered a 5000# empty weight probably 6000# loaded trailer all over Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana, without a single problem. We had the six speed tranny and no problem going up Loveland. That Ecoboost is a great engine, I had 130,000 miles when I sold and all it ever needed was a new battery at 35 months, so Ford paid for it..I did change to bigger rotors and pads at 80k miles. A bit more than a standard brake job, but worth it. I did have the 20” wheels which gave me a little more room. Looks like you may have the 18” wheels, so check fitment first. You validated my experience with the F150. I currently run a motorhome, with a Jeep toad, but when I get out of that, it will be to a hybrid F150…Maybe they’ll have a plug in hybrid by then.. thanks for the excellent review..
Yes, bigger breaks would be good. We just had our first major issue - clutch in the 10 speed tranny just went and it needs to be rebuilt. I've since read that 10 speed tranny has a lot of issues
Great video, spot on the info. Only thing I might have opted for (which isn’t available with the max Trailer pkg) was the 5.0 V8. As far as longevity is concerned, I think the higher mileage is proving the 5.0 Coyote to be more reliable than the twin turbos.
I do have a 2017 f150 with 5.0 coyote engine that pulls our 30 ft TT . It does the job but I see my transmission gets hot like 225 degrees if I push it to 70 mph. If I go down to 65 mph in flat road is ok at 210 degrees
True, very rare combo, I also have a 8200 GVWR package, 2013 model, back then they had 7 lug wheels but all the other stuff you have. But I have the 5.0L, so not as much power and a lot heavier truck, as mine isn't aluminum. Mine is also an XLT. Also considering an Airstream, so your video was helpful. I am trying to keep my load well under the 9500 # max tow, like under 7000 or 8000 if possible for potential mountain towing as well.
@@johnjessjourney2352 Ha, it's funny you say that, while I'm in no hurry, I was looking at brake upgrades, but the thing that makes this payload package cool in 2013, is also a detriment because my selection of brakes for the 7-lug wheel is very limited. In terms of power, while today's standard might say I'm under-powered at 360/380, hp and ft/lbs, that's way more than most or any trucks 20 years ago and WAY more 30 and 40 years ago, when people were also towing Airstreams with not only trucks but also full-size sedans. But like you, it's not all about the going, sometimes it's about the stopping!!
Awesome!! I've been towing my 37ft 8,400lbs dry travel trailer all over and in blustery wind conditions, Chesapeake Bay Bridge, and Chesapeake Bay Bridge tunnels, and it handles it great. I get very little pushing (more blustering) from semis, and basically no pulling. I upgraded my stock GY Wranglers to E Rated Michelins Defenders, and that exposed the tires are the weaker link than the light weight of the truck, especially in blustery wind conditions. I get zero swaying sensations out of those stiff GY Endurance trailer tires, Blue Ox, and Michelins, and gust will push the set-up as a unit. A Hensley has always been my last "Hail Mary" option if I didn't have confidence in my set-up before upgrading to a 1 Ton diesel, because my next upgrade is to a 5th anyway.
Great video on truck matching. Lots of facts and details that aren't cover on truck/trailer vids. However, if you custom order a truck today...oh baby, being a big check book. Truck prices are caaaaaarazy.
My grandparents towed their 30' airstream into their 60s with a town car. 4.8L and a body on frame, it handled it well. Not to mention the rear air from the factory. Throw an equilizer into the mix, and they didn't really have any problems. They did have an issue when an airbag erupted. Damaged the car and the trailer; they were fine. Insurance covered the body damage and the trailer is from the 70s, so it was worth repairing. They sold it a couple years later as they started downsizing. My grandfather is 98 now and still going strong.
They used to tell me that at rallies, somebody would pull a pup airstream with a bicycle. Airstreams are super light and can be towed with just about anything.
Great video, you covered lots of details and data that most people don’t consider, especially nice that you talk about what speed you could go up the mountain passes and what the grades were. Also very good that you talked about how the brakes performed going down mountain passes. I will take my time and go downhill grade, I start out slow at the top and let the transmission do a lot of the work rather than the brakes. I would personally get an F350 that is lowered with airbags when the kids want to get in and out and then raise it back up when you’re on the road. I also would’ve gone with a diesel.
Hi John, I've got what you have with my 2013 F150 Super Crew I purchased last year. The truck had 61,000 miles on it at that time. Now has 74,000. At present I tow a Thor Chateau 22D, and the truck tows great. Very happy with the setup. The tow/haul feature works great thru all the driving and braking.
We have a 2018 F150 configured exactly as you do, but in an FX4 model. We are pulling a 28 foot Airstream International Signature model, slightly less heavy than yours and we travel with all three trailer tanks empty. I am getting 11.7 MPG under similar conditions as you state. I always . . . ALWAYS . . . use premium gas and get better performance that way. In my research of fuel types, Most folks that understand fuels state that, in the F150 EcoBoost engine, you can get 1.5 to 2.0 better per gallon when towing a trailer, by using premium fuels. Try it a few times and see for yourself. Just a quick thought this evening.
I have a 2011 f150 3.5 ecoboost with tow package 289k mikes no issues, upgraded to a 2019 f-250 Larait 6.7 diesel and I tell u it’s like night and day , I mean I pull a cougar camper and that diesel pulls like a train and most important the engine exhaust brake ,
That setup should be more than capable for 30’ airstream. Impressed by the payload. I am towing GD imagine 2400bh (6500lbs) with my 2015 GL450. It tows just fine and I am getting 11mpg.
I purchased a 2500 HD Duramax, even though at the time I didn’t need that kind of HD capability I knew I might someday and ended up buying a larger camper and the truck tows without any strain snd still gets 15mpg highway
I traded my 2016 F-150 3.5 because it had difficulty towing my '05 Airstream 30' Slideout, 8600 pounds, in the mountains and overheated in the summer months. The truck was the 156-inch wheelbase Platinum, with a 3.55 differential. I loved the truck, but it just couldn't handle the total weight I never carried water.
Cause a Rebel is an offroad truck, not really made for towing ( low payload and offroad suspension + tires ). I have a Silverado RST 2021 with max tow package and it has 2108 pounds of payload. Crewcab, 6.5 foot bed ( good wheelbase ) and 4wd. Still changing for a Silverado Custom 2500HD diesel.
I have 2017 f150 2.7L eco-boost and 10 foot dump trailer. I tow average 15k pound total and towed up to 18k time to time. I don’t use special towing attachments and have at least 500 pound in my truck beds all the time. Unless it’s local steep up and down hills, it has no problem on freeway. With 55-60m/h speed and decent weight distribution, up to 12k is an easy easy towing for f150!! Trust me.
JohnJessJourney Absolutely. I guess we were convinced that a 23 to 25 foot was about as large as you wanted to go with an F150. I will definitely factor in that fancy hitch.
@@macmovieman1 We've towed our 30' about 15,000 miles over the past year. With the truck setup and the hitch I've never felt unsafe and its towed beautifully. With that said when you get to the larger Airstreams your biggest concern with the F150 is your payload capacity. I dont know how feasible it is to tow with a standard F150 but most people don't relaize you can get an F150 with the payload capacity of an F250.
Wow, good info. I have almost the same setup...8000 lb camper and an F150 with the max tow package, so I'm always tuning in to videos like this one. I thought I knew just about everything about the packages that are available but I've never heard of the beefier payload package.
Great video I totally agree with you who needs that big f250 when your only towing for weekends and vacations. Your f150 with the EcoBoost is more than enough for the weight of your trailer and the miles you do under tow... Plus your maintenance cost and your fuel mileage is better and makes sense... For all those folks giving you shit it mean they dont have a f150 EcoBoost... Because if you did you would know it could pull a house of its foundation... The Banks family
The HDs are awesome. Ours is even more "Unicorn" like, we have a 500a Lariat (Canadian Model) with the HDPP/MTTP , 2405 pound payload. Tows our 28 foot TT very well, great power from the 3.5 EB. I agree about the engine braking just too small an engine to add much, the transmission does downshift like a fiend trying to help.
And if your truck has a manual mode, usually whatever gear your truck selected to go up a Hill is the same, you would use to go down the incline. But I usually go one lower. When I drove tractor-trailer if I was in fourth gear going up a Hill. I go down the Hill at third gear.
I’m truck shopping-I have the first Gen of Ford’s 3.5L ecoboost in my Ford Flex, which is the same engine as the F150 and we had a fairly rare problem that required a lot of engine work (dual air turbo replacement-this is the “boost” mechanism in a Ford ecoboost engine) and nearly required an engine rebuild (we got lucky). This all happened at 100k miles and was so frustrating. I know an F150 ecoboost is the most logical choice but I’ve been traumatized…😵💫😬
I hear you. We haven't had any issues so far at 60k miles. Although there was a leak on one of the front gaskets that was replaced under warranty. ( It was a small oil leak )
Beautiful setup! No doubt you researched the hell out it. My wife is also vertically challenged, fortunately some ugly chrome sidesteps came on my F150.
I have a cross roads 33SI, 35 foot, dry weight, 7250. As loaded, 8154. My f150 with EcoBoost turbo, no problem. 5% grade for 18 miles, 55mph and 9.5 mpg. Normally, 12 to 14 without big hills.
Those are nice hitches. Another thing that helps, most newer trucks including the F150 have sway control built into the way power is applied to the the rear wheels. I am sure that feature does not help near as much as the hitch you are using but just an added bonus.
I just bought a 33ft airstream. I have a 2019 f150 3.5 max tow package and bought a propride hitch. The dealer says no problem with this truck, my friends are skeptical. Guess I'll find out. I towed my 19 ft airstream as if nothing was behind me and it weighed in at 5000 lbs and that was up and fow some pretty steep grades. The 33 is just under 8000. This video makes me feel a bit more comfortable.
The one thing to check is your payload capacity. If you don't have the heavy duty payload option on the truck you could easily run out of payload if your hitch weight is, say, 900-1000 lbs for the 33'trailer plus hitch weight. ( Although I don't know what your trailer weighs, just guessing ) One person commented that they were able to cheaply add an extra leaf spring on their f150 to help with the payload. Not sure if they also had to change out the wheels.
@@johnjessjourney2352 well I have a spare 4939 lbs of towing left on a dry trailer weight and a spare 1800 of cargo weight counting the hitch and tongue weight. I bought a propride hitch so I was told it distributes the trailer and tongue weight better then most tow packages. Thinking of adding falcon adj shocks to the back
Update. Towing has been fine plenty of power. At times even with the pro pride hitch big rigs that pass me do suck me over a bit. Nothing bad you get use to it after awhile. What I can't get use to is dangerous truck drivers and there's plenty out there. My only concern is long down hill stretches. I have gone down a few but am a bit concerned about longer extended down hill grades. I generally try and keep my speed 45-50 mpg but have had a couple times where I felt I was using the brakes a bit too much to keep it there even with using the 10 speed transmission.
@@johnjessjourney2352 payload is right at 3300 on my truck, hitch weight is a bit heavy at 1200lbs so have a bit of a buffer zone. I generally don't carry more then 600lbs of cargo past the hitch weight.
Loveland pass is 12,000’ only if you don’t use Eisenhower Tunnel max elevation 11,158’. I’m pretty certain you chose what 99% of travelers choose which is the tunnel😎🇺🇸. Great post though!
I ordered a similar truck; with the payload package, but with an 8 foot bed and extended cab (for a 163" wheelbase). Also, a 5.0 instead of the Ecoboost. Less torque than the Eco, but it is still rated to tow 11K pounds. It's a nice truck. My only issue with it is the 10-speed transmission feels a little slushy to me when I step on the gas.
We have the same truck with the exception of our 5.0 v8. I don't know how but our payload is 2550. We are currently searching for the right trailer for our truck. Thanks for your info.
John and Jess - GREAT video and explanation. We've ordered a unicorn (2022 F-150 XLT 6.5ft bed, 3.5 eco-boost max payload and towing) ourselves to pull our Airstream Flying Cloud 28rb twin. We'll probably go with the Propride also, but I want to calculate precisely how much weight (from the 195lb hitch) I can shift to the AS's axles. Hoping to get it under 100lbs. Thanks again!
It is interesting how much 3/4 ton ( and I guess 1/2 ton) trucks vary in payload. My 2019 Silverado 2500 has close to 3,000 payload with a 9500 GVW. That’s with the 36 gallon fuel tank full. Of course the diesel knocks that down quickly.
Nice trailer. Those airstream are nice but heavy. My uncle fishtailed his on i77 and rolled it down the median and flipped the van on its side so be careful. I just got a 30 foot osias Shasta but weight is about 5200 and the f 150s seem to pull good.
Yikes! The proPride hitch we put on pretty much eliminates all trailer sway and greatly mitigates the risk of fishtailing, so hopefully we'll keep it upright. Aloha, john
I have the exact same truck. Love it. Had an 18, payload was 2449. Now have a 19, more options including a tailgate step, and the payload is 2500, no idea how they did that. Looking at a jayco 27.5 rlts with a loaded pin around 1800 or maybe 1900 pounds. The math will just barely work, but it will. On the upgrade brake comment in your video, putting bigger brakes on the truck is problematic. However, putting a disc brake kit on the airstream (I am assuming it has electric drums) would be a HUGE upgrade, not expensive if DIY, and would yield the greatest bang for the buck. Plus, when you go to sell it, you would likely recoup most of it back, and also make for a tastier trailer that stands out from the pack.
Thanks for the tip. I admittedly haven't spent any time looking into what I can and can't do regarding upgraded brakes but if what you say is easier I'll definitely consider that.
That thing is a beast you will have no problems. My ecoboost has the tow package only and we towed 6700 over the Appalachians like it wasn't even there. Try locking out the higher gears and slowing down steep grades and your brakes will stay cool. Good luck!
I have 3.5L eco towing 7600lb. Do you have any engine temperature issues climbing hills? I'm getting 230-240 engine temp when climbing. Don't know if it's normal or I have some issue.
@@henryford2736 Yes. Highest I noticed was just over 230 but it immediately fell to closer to 210 as I broke the crest of the climb... it didn't linger and was very brief. I wasn't concerned. If you stay consistently over 223 maybe be concerned. Transmission averaged about 204 and topped out at 212 a few times which is no problem. I have a 2014, 6 speed and locked out 5 and 6. Kept the rpms at about 2700 at 62 mph in 4th. I didn't push it and had no problems.
@@henryford2736 Also, the turbos get hot so let it run for a minute or 2 before you turn the ignition off... they are oil cooled. Use full synthetic oil and change often when towing heavy loads. Certainly don't go more than 5k.
@@henryford2736 Oh I forgot... use high octane when towing. It is less volatile and will not ignite to early. You'll get better mileage and performance when towing.
@@CommonCentsOutdoorsman I have 2015 with 6spd. But I don't know my options like the oil cooler. It's 4x4 off road Lariat. I'll keep an eye on those temp numbers. It's all new to me our first tow was to Woodland park in CO 8500ft.
Enjoyed your video! I too can attest to the ProPride hitch and the difference it made from the friction system I had before when pulling my 30' Airstream.
It does seem to work great. You have more experience than I do as I've never towed anything without it but in my limited experience I've never felt any swaying.
@@johnjessjourney2352 I should have done more research up front and not endured the friction based system. I have a 3/4 ton truck but it never felt right pulling my AS. I drove semis for over 13 years (1+ MM miles) and was sensitive to what I was pulling. Found out about ProPride and called their office beforehand. Was able to speak to Sean at length (a great, unhurried experience btw) and decided to push forward after learning it was based on physics (I still subscribe to math and science). As for the purchase price, best ~$3k I have ever spent; like you, Safety supersedes other considerations. Again, good video!
I have Airstream and have diesel GMC 2500 hd. 16 mpg. Diesel is a dollar a gallon cheaper than Premium gas. Fortunately Airstream is aerodynamically designed. 30% less drag. Sorry I would never do what you have done. Get the 250 and be done with it. I don’t have to use a fancy tow bar with my 3/4 ton. Each to his own. Love America!
We were planning on getting a truck and Airstream at retirement. We bought the truck but the Airstream is having to wait a bit on financing. We special ordered a 2018 F-150 XLT Super Cab with an eight foot bed. We got the Max Tow package but they told us the high payload package couldn't be combined with the Max Tow package. This was July of 2017. It appears sometime between then and you ordering your truck that changed. Thank you for sharing your gas mileage. We've been wondering what to expect once we get the trailer. We are thinking more along the lines of a 25 or 27 rather than the 30 as there are just the two of us. My latest tank of gas was mostly on open road but many mountains, including Bald Mountain Pass in Utah that tops out just below 10,000 feet. I got over 22 miles per gallon. It sounds like I should expect the trailer to roughly cut that in half on the flats. City driving with just the truck drops it to 19 - 20 mpg. When we ordered they let us test drive a 2017 F-250 and a 2017 F-150 with the 3.5 L EcoBoast. My wife had trouble getting into the F-250 and it rode like a truck. The route they suggested for the test drive included an on ramp to I-15 that goes up a bit of a hill. The F-250 did it like a truck. With the F-150 getting in was no problem, they were both 4 X 4's, and going up that on ramp with the EcoBoast turbochargers kicked in made the V8 gas powered F-250 look like a wimp. Your report makes me think I made a good choice. Thank you for sharing with us.
Yeah, I'm not sure what was offered last year. I do know that Ford has very specific configurations and many of them do NOT support the heavy duty payload. For example I don't think you can get the higher trim levels, or different engine etc. with the extra payload.
You will get better mileage with premium gas when pulling your Airstream. My 2018 Ford F150 FX4 4X4, with all the stuff mentioned above gets 11.7 mpg with premium fuel. It also helps pull better in the mts. I live in OR and travel to MT, WY and ID several times a year. I have a 2019 28' foot Airstream International Signature.
@@johnowens1972 My owners manual suggested mid-grade since I live at higher altitude. Visiting my daughter in Oceanside, CA I thought I could get by with regular. It took three tanks of mid-grade, mostly at lower altitudes, before my mileage came back to previous levels. When I'm towing I will definitely use premium.
@@livingourdream9005 Agree with your statement about when towing to use premium. When I'm getting ready to travel, I get the tank as low as I can, then fill up with premium for towing. At all other times, I use mid-grade fuel, but high quality fuels like Chevron and Shell, not that cheap gas station that no one has heard of before. Hope my suggestion helps. I think you'll notice a bit of a difference in mileage and power when it's needed on hills, etc.
Good truck, had one before my F250. My only comment is that if getting into 8% grades, the F250 braking is better for safety. My previous F150 brakes were an issue, along with cooling system on 8% grades. Do not get me wrong, the EcoBoost is a great engine, ours was Max tow / payload as well, with high performance Roush Cold Air etc, reprogrammed transmission. For same $, went to F250 to get improved handling.
I agree with everything you said. If it wasnt for the larger size and height I would have opted for the 250. The brakes are the the one lacking item in my current setup. I havent felt unsafe yet but beefier brakes would have been a plus.
Awesome video. However. Don't know about the truck being heavy enough for that size trailer. I saw a video a while back and apparently a huge gust of wind flip an F150 pulling a 27ft Serenity.
That truck doesn't seem heavy enough to emergency brake with a trailer that heavy going 30+MPH, but I grew up with duallies pulling big gooseneck horse trailers.
Sounds like max towing on the truck is 13,200 lbs trailer the trailers gross trailer's max weight is around 8800 lbs. The tongue weight is usually around 10% or 880 lbs. The payload capacity on the truck is 2453 - 880 =~ 1573 lbs of payload remaining for passengers, fuel, bikes, etc. Sounds like it should work. If you really want to be 1000% sure you can goto a CAT Scale and get the exact weight.
I'm sure John is very proud of his purchase. I, too, am a Ford guy. Nevertheless, while the Ecoboost is a nice light weight towing package, even with 4wd and the extra tow options, he's slicing the towing loaf pretty thin. Neither BTBRV nor TFL Truck would approve of your math for a 5th wheel, and certainly not for a TT either. The only way to be safe with your numbers is to load your rig to the max, including your usual amount of traveling freshwater and empty waste tanks, and go to a weigh station asap. The new 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost with hybrid and over 500 lbs/ft of torque might handle your rig. But any way you look at it, John simply has no idea how much his rig and possibles weigh. I was surprised to see him actually round his numbers down. Not very smart, and certainly dangerous. I'm surely no mathematician, but one thing I refuse to compromise is the safety of children, if any. After you get an accurate gross vehicle rating, please go to Ford.com/tow capacities and look up exactly how much your Ecoboost can haul and tow. Use that as your base tow number.
I actually have a degree in mathematics from MIT, so in fact I am a mathematician. I'm not rounding down in my estimates, quite the opposite. My truck's tow capacity is 12,900lbs. The airstream's unloaded weight is 6700lbs. I can assure you I do not load 6,000lbs into it. So I'm well under that number. That leaves us with cargo capacity and the ability to carry the weight. The cargo capacity as configured is 2,453lbs. The weight of everything we put directly in / on the truck, including ourselves, never exceeds 800lbs. So that leaves me with 1,653lbs for the hitch weight. The airstream is not front loaded with some ridiculous weight like banks of lithium batteries. Even if we take 15% of gross weight, the higher end of the scale, I'd have to have a gross weight of 11,000lbs to hit that hitch weight. Again that's not even in the ballpark of being realistic. My children's safety is paramount to me. Which is why I also use a hensley hitch with my setup. Having driven this setup back and forth across the country for 25,000 miles, up and down mountain passes, in high winds etc, I have never felt unsafe, never felt any trailer sway with that hitch and never had issues stopping. If I loaded our airstream to anywhere near the weight capacity of my truck the airstream would fall apart. It would certainly be a differnt story if this F150 didnt have the extra payload capacity option. With that option its in league with F250's.
Hello, John. Not sure if I told you, but I do have a 2021 27' Globetrotter on order, delivery is expected in late November 2021. Thanks to you video, you have confirmed all of my numbers and research when it comes to deciding on the TV. That would be the new 2021 Ford F-150 Powerboost Hybrid, as Roger described above. What is really cool is that it comes with a built-in generator that has a 30W outlet, so you can connect your Airstream to it. Anyway, the problem is that if you order the PowerBoost engine, you can't get the Heavy Duty Payload Package. The Ford.com guide says the payload capacity is 2120 lbs, maybe I can upgrade the tires to give me more. And yes, I am getting the 6.5 foot box as well...but chose not to get 4x4 as I understand 2 wheel drive can give you better mileage. One last question, I know I am rambling on...what color is your F-150? Is that Iconic Silver? Were you trying to match the Airstream? Does it? Thanks, John. Love your vids, and your kids too.
*It won't matter w/a larger brake-diameter because of the heat factor* *True that it takes longer for heat-expansion to occur causing 'fade' yet there's the fact that 'The greater the amount of Mass, the longer it will take to cool-down'* *The major criteria to consider is the braking on the coach itself since it has 'Drum Brakes' that are subject to over-heat much faster than 'Disc' brakes...going fast down a steep-grade is a 'recipe for disaster' because of the tendency to allow speed to build-up and then attempt to control it by 'riding the brakes'* ( *The grade on 'SR 68' leading down to Bullhead City, Az. is the '#1 RV Killer' in the U.S.' especially for Motor-homes! I've seen a 28-ft Rv burned to nothing except axles & engine...even the glass is gone* ) *The best option is using the transmission to 'lock-down' into a lower-range rather than 'stabbing & jerking' the brakes quickly or 'riding the pedal'* *A specialized transmission-cooler is a 'Tower's Best Friend' yet even that must be allowed to 'rest & cool-down' before fluid-boiling occurs*
@@johneertwegh6261 *Only to a certain extent, where high speeds are involved such as racing so discs won't 'warp' from excessive heat* ___________ *The disk-pads themselves are the 'weak-point' where glazing can build-up very fast from super-heated materials used in the compounds used to make them* *The 'Best' brakes are in your head, using common sense and allowing time for brakes to 'cool down' by using the transmission in a lower-range that won't allow the vehicle and trailer to 'build-up speed' on steep descents* *Using a car to pull a 'big-ass trailer' with is a mistake, even if the car's rated to tow 'X-amount' of total weight for both car & trailer because those specifications are NOT for going down steep mountain roads!*
@@gerrynightingale9045 thanks, I never let the trailer get over 50 mph and when it does brake down to 40mph then use the trailer breaks every 3rd breaking cycle to give the truck breaks a rest. I use the transmission as much as possible
@@johneertwegh6261 *That'll work!* *But 'Caution' is still the best 'Brake'* ___________ *Straight smooth roads that are level are always best, but going down the 'Pikes Peak' mountain-road w/a 'Long Long Trailer' isn't funny when brakes seize from heat and tires start melting!* ( *I never knew that aluminum-wheels will MELT in the heat of a vehicle fire and so will glass!* ) *Hwy 68 into Bullhead/Laughlin is the 'worst road in the continental U.S. for destroying 'Class 'A' motorhomes from brake failure fires* *At least two 'M/H's & four 'TT's every single year when I lived there from '90 to '95 destroyed by fire, usually about half-way down '68'* ( *'Newbies ride the brakes' and it's soon 'all over but the crying'* )
I always wonder is the eco boost wear and tear towing much greater to the engine vs a V8. My guess is the V8 would strain less I wish a engineer had the data on durability long term…I’ll take a v8 best guess would last longer
You’re forcing air & gas into the V6 with twin turbo making a bigger boom, yes wear & tear will be quicker than the old reliable 5.0L V8. But that Eco provides more torque in low gears giving more power on hills, very useful in high altitudes like Rockies & Uintas.
I have a 2020 F150 FX4 V8/10SP/3.55/CREW4x4/5.5box Pulling a 26RMBRR Toyhauler. Loaded limit 7900#... From Michigan to South and North Dakotas thru the Blacks Hills... average 9.3mpg... high was 13.8, low 7.5mpg. We made the usually mistake most first timers do, we bought the truck to pull a pontoon/trailer. Ended up selling that and buying a toyhauler. Ordered a Grey Wolf 26ft'r. When it came it was 500# more than advertise listed empty weight and the cabin measured 30'3", AOL 34ft. So why would Grey Wolf advertise it as a 26MBRR?? The truck pulls it ok but a F250 would have been a better choice. Truck payload is 1806#. A CAT Weigh-in the axles are max out loaded but not over with the limit. We RV mostly without the SxS loaded and that saves 1250#... Nice video by the way!!
Most folks younger than 60 might not realize that people used to pull heavy campers all around the country with their Oldsmobiles, Buicks, Chryslers and other cars of the 50's and 60's. Fords F150 3.5 ecoboost and GMs 6.2 in their 1500 are more than capable of towing a 8000 lb travel trailer.....as long as they're set up to tow.
You didn’t mention range per fill up, so I’ll assume 26 gallon tank x 10 mpg = 260 miles between fill ups. I’ve ordered the Tesla CyberTruck with 500 mile range and 14,000 pound tow capacity. I’ll create a channel too and it will be interesting to compare ICE v EV towing an Airstream. Stay tuned.
We have a 36 gallon tank. I recently did 5 days straight from san diego to FL and I averaged 10.4mpg. That's probably the most accurate estimate I have since I kept track and didnt take any side trips.
JohnJessJourney Pulling a 25 footer I’ll get about 350 mile range (flat road, warm weather) at a cost of $12-15 per “fill up”. Your cost per tank is about $70-75 for roughly the same distance. It will be interesting to compare and contrast 20th century v 21st century rving.
Slow down there cowboy, there isn’t anyway that Tesla is going to get 500 miles a charge when towing 14,000#. That’s like saying the F-150 gets the 23 mpg when max towing. The Tesla and all other electric trucks will at best get 350 miles but probably in the 250-300 range when towing. Its a fact it takes more power to tow more weight, no matter gas or electric. Towing is the down fall of electric vehicles for now but my hope is 10-15 years from now we will be able to get 400-500 miles on a towing electric truck, but that means it will bet 700+ when not towing.
Nah just setting the electric brakes correctly. The trailer should brake itself not the truck. You do need to factor in the tongue and cargo but he has 2200# capacity which is more than most 3/4.
The test would be how it will react in an emergency braking condition. Flaws don’t show how when everything is normal. I don’t know if that truck would be stable enough, due to the lighter weight of the truck. How heavy is that hitch assembly?
True. The hitch assembly in total is about 200lbs. I do love that hitch though. After towing over 40,000 miles with it under all types of conditions I've never ever had any trailer sway. It brings great piece of mind.
Finally someone on CZcams that matches their truck to their trailer! Thanks for helping keep the roads safe!
You are spot on, my f150 was ordered by the dealer with the exact options you have. Most people dont know these trucks even exist and think it is just a half ton truck. These trucks have the capacity of prvious 3/4 ton trucks and are purpose built by ford for towing. Generally these packages are on fleet trucks. Our local dealer added the packages to several trucks they ordered. If you dont know what to look for, most sales guys dont either. You really have to study up, or find people like us who have them. My f150 easly out tows my old f350. Problem is, unless someone spells it out like you did, you dont even know what they are. I knew part of what i wanted, sales guy knew nothing, i looked at several door codes and and window stickers when i found a row of trucks with that setup. I basically stumbled into mine by sheer luck. As an fyi, the 13,500k towing after our options are just 20" wheels. But you can change to load range c tire or better to get that capacity. My truck has the 13K capacity and i have only ever been near 10k. For those guys that freak out about not having a diesel and a one ton, that does apply in some cases but these new trucks and the engineering behind them allow it.
Probably one of the most helpful videos I’ve seen for someone new to travel trailers and towing. Excellent job and thank you so much. I’ve subscribed.
Thank you Bruce!
GREAT VIDEO!!!! You know your equipment, conducted your research and used great decisions making process for what was good for your situation. This will help all the 1/2 ton towers understand what they need & give them confidence to tow. For people that mandate diesel, 3/4 & 1 ton trucks for towing. Hopefully this shows them too if properly equipped a 1/2 can do it too. Great job! *slow clap*
Great video.. just to add when towing subtract 2% per 1000 ft of elevation above sea level.. it can save you fuel and unnecessary wear on your vehicle..
Very nice summary. Really like your completely pragmatic approach to everything.
Thank you!
3.5? “Pretty good” ...it kicks ass! As an owner (and diesel lover), I’m sold on that motor.
LOL me too. I’m on my 5th F150XLT 3.5 L EcoBoost (2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 and now 2020). I swear by them. Twin turbo’s deliver.
About time someone does a good Review with all the specs, thanks!
This is the most real talk video I've ever seen. Thanks !!
Thanks for the compliment!
I tow with an F150 equipt with the 3.5L as well. Helpful hint for downhill travel is to use your transmission to help control your speed. You’ll save your brakes.
We have a 2016 30 ft international signature , I think it’s basically same weight but we tow with a 2015 6.7 Cummins 2500 I love the extra stability and Exhaust brake , I had a Tundra 7 mpg sucked but what I Really like and everyone should consider when buy a Camper and truck remember when you go get GAS vs Diesel , it’s soooooooo much easier getting to Diesel pumps (truck stops) vs trying to wiggle around the gas pumps and finding a place you won’t get stuck . Not to mention 15-18 mpg
Good points AM2PM. Thank you for the comments.
Thank you. A great honest talk about towing with an F150. After 40 years at Ford and in Powertrain Engineering for all that time I went with a 2017 F150 XLT SC with an 8’ box and a 5.0 Liter. I know a bit less on torque but a much better engine. I tow a 1972 Avion like an Airstream 28’ but want a newer Airstream with a passion. 30’ is the goal so thank your for sharing your thoughts. Well done!
Thank you for the nice comments Ben!
Great video, thanks for sharing...and yes, your F-150's payload is 300lb. Higher than my 2017 F-250 crew cab diesel. Had no idea you could build one with a payload that capable. Impressive 👍
This is what the "experts" on here are missing. The half to trucks with the stability control and build quality can out tow some older 3/4 ton trucks.
@@wadebrewer7212 The payload is a big plus when towing but it is not the only factor that makes towing less stressful. The video shows he is also using the ProPride 3P hitch which is hands down the safest hitch to use towing travel trailers. Another important area half tons fall short regardless of the build is a relatively light GVWR of around 7100 lbs. This is where the HD trucks will provide a much more planted tow because they are much heavier . The airstream he is towing is also shorter and more streamline than most travel trailers in the 7500-8500 weight range. Our taller, boxier GD travel trailer was pushing our F150 around pretty good in the winds and from big truck push. We have a 3P hitch too and it eliminates sway but the entire tow rig still got pushed around as a unit. We eventually traded the F150 for an F350 for the increased payload of 3600 lbs and a GVWR of 11,500 lbs. Our diesel F350 empty weights more than our F150 loaded and still gets 12 mpg towing our 7500lb GD trailer. Our F350 is not a daily driver and is used mainly for towing our trailer. The difference in towing experience is just far superior to our F150.
@@fedguy9182 I ended up buying a 22 Cummins. Had a 1500 and with little trouble out it traded in with 154k miles, still got 12k for the trade. Stick with what you know.
I had years ago an F350 single wheel with the sick liter (yes, I spelled thst wrong on purpose). It ran well and I twoed with it, but since owning Ram, I'm sold on them being a good vehicle. Let's see how the 22 does.
We tow our Rockwood trailer 26 ft 6,000 dry weight ford150 eco boost 3.5 liter with Max tow package.With a safe weigh Hitch. It tows like nothing. We wouldn’t tow a longer length then 26 feet or heavier. We would be worried about it being a little heavier on tongue weight. We’re happy with our truck and towing payload of our trailer and truck together. It tows very nice on high grade roads. Enough torque. Our truck has the engine break.
It's because the diesel engines are so much heavier than gas engines, which takes away from Payload. Payload isn't a function of power as much as the capability of the suspension and frame.
That practical way of thinking you have is awesome...I myself do that...that truck config is amazing and it's easily seen you do your proper research for all your equipment...I wouldn't mind getting one myself like that. The problem is that youtube channels like TFL truck misguide people into thinking big, expensive diesel trucks are needed to tow anything....and that's not true. Very honest, logical video...awesome!
Thank you! Its still towing great after traveling back and forth all over the country!
Good job on spec'ing this. I have a 2022 version of this truck. They are not unicorns but are still rare. However, ford stopping building this truck in 2023. They might reintroduce this as an F-200, but only time will tell. Max Tow/HDPP was a 5-10% build for F150 overall. I have an RCLB with 141 wheelbase. Yours is much long with that long bed (yours is 157/164 i think, which helps alot, except for turn radius) , so would tow better. Longer wheelbase of the truck is better. The MaxTow/HDPP is something that people don't understand. An F150 with HDPP is really a 5/8ton for modern trucks. If you get an F250, you pay in gas mileage but have bigger breaks and 1k+ more weight.
One of the nicest things about Streaming, there is only one person you have to please....if your good with that nothing else matters.
Sweet ride, loved all my ecoboost 3.5 's 2015,2018 now2021 hybrid. Has great power and not to bad fuel economy with a good ride. Would love to have a 6.5 bed.
Thanks for commenting on the trailer sway; super helpful!
With the right truck options, the right load tires and with that hitch setup, that half ton is just fine. One thing to note most leave out. The rear axle rating. Drive over a scale and see how your load is balanced. Make sure your loaded properly across the truck and trailer.
Thank you so much. We’re planning to get our own Unicorn almost exactly like yours. Special order, of course. And we will be trading up to a 30 foot International. With all the naysayers insisting you need a 250 or 350 for this size rig, it was awesome to hear your good experience. If Ford says it will tow 14,000 pounds, it should be fine. Knowing it IS was reassuring.
My pleasure Stuart. I will also note that having a Propride / Hensley hitch on the Airstream has also made all the difference in the world while towing. It's expensive but I think its worth it as you tow these 30' + Airstreams. If you're not familiar with the hitch I talk about it here: czcams.com/video/zO8YohZ6_UY/video.html Cheers, John
@@johnjessjourney2352 I will absolutely look into that hitch. Do yo have the 1000 or 1400?
Hi Stuart. I have the 1000. The tongue weight of our airstream is around 900lbs I believe.
This is an extremely helpful video. Thank you very much for posting this. Love all the detail you are including. I am in CO and looking at a 30RB and F250 and had many questions you answered!
Thanks for the positive comment Mcquentin!
Really clear, specific and helpful. Thanks for posting and safe travels.
I had a 2012 F150 with similar equipment to hours. We trailered a 5000# empty weight probably 6000# loaded trailer all over Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana, without a single problem. We had the six speed tranny and no problem going up Loveland. That Ecoboost is a great engine, I had 130,000 miles when I sold and all it ever needed was a new battery at 35 months, so Ford paid for it..I did change to bigger rotors and pads at 80k miles. A bit more than a standard brake job, but worth it. I did have the 20” wheels which gave me a little more room. Looks like you may have the 18” wheels, so check fitment first. You validated my experience with the F150. I currently run a motorhome, with a Jeep toad, but when I get out of that, it will be to a hybrid F150…Maybe they’ll have a plug in hybrid by then.. thanks for the excellent review..
Yes, bigger breaks would be good. We just had our first major issue - clutch in the 10 speed tranny just went and it needs to be rebuilt. I've since read that 10 speed tranny has a lot of issues
Great video, spot on the info. Only thing I might have opted for (which isn’t available with the max Trailer pkg) was the 5.0 V8. As far as longevity is concerned, I think the higher mileage is proving the 5.0 Coyote to be more reliable than the twin turbos.
I do have a 2017 f150 with 5.0 coyote engine that pulls our 30 ft TT . It does the job but I see my transmission gets hot like 225 degrees if I push it to 70 mph.
If I go down to 65 mph in flat road is ok at 210 degrees
That's what great about forced induction, you don't loose power with elevation, let those turbos feed the beast and carry on
True, very rare combo, I also have a 8200 GVWR package, 2013 model, back then they had 7 lug wheels but all the other stuff you have. But I have the 5.0L, so not as much power and a lot heavier truck, as mine isn't aluminum. Mine is also an XLT. Also considering an Airstream, so your video was helpful. I am trying to keep my load well under the 9500 # max tow, like under 7000 or 8000 if possible for potential mountain towing as well.
The one thing I wish I had was slightly beefier brakes for mountain towing. But I guess that's something that can be upgraded at some point.
@@johnjessjourney2352 Ha, it's funny you say that, while I'm in no hurry, I was looking at brake upgrades, but the thing that makes this payload package cool in 2013, is also a detriment because my selection of brakes for the 7-lug wheel is very limited. In terms of power, while today's standard might say I'm under-powered at 360/380, hp and ft/lbs, that's way more than most or any trucks 20 years ago and WAY more 30 and 40 years ago, when people were also towing Airstreams with not only trucks but also full-size sedans. But like you, it's not all about the going, sometimes it's about the stopping!!
Awesome!!
I've been towing my 37ft 8,400lbs dry travel trailer all over and in blustery wind conditions, Chesapeake Bay Bridge, and Chesapeake Bay Bridge tunnels, and it handles it great.
I get very little pushing (more blustering) from semis, and basically no pulling.
I upgraded my stock GY Wranglers to E Rated Michelins Defenders, and that exposed the tires are the weaker link than the light weight of the truck, especially in blustery wind conditions.
I get zero swaying sensations out of those stiff GY Endurance trailer tires, Blue Ox, and Michelins, and gust will push the set-up as a unit.
A Hensley has always been my last "Hail Mary" option if I didn't have confidence in my set-up before upgrading to a 1 Ton diesel, because my next upgrade is to a 5th anyway.
Yeah, the hensley is pricey, especially if you're gonna move to a fifth wheel anyway.
Thank you for allocating the time to create such an informative video! Take Care
Great video on truck matching. Lots of facts and details that aren't cover on truck/trailer vids. However, if you custom order a truck today...oh baby, being a big check book. Truck prices are caaaaaarazy.
Agreed. Expensive and loooong lead times. So now I need to get as many years out of this one as possible
I just bought a 2021 F-150 with exact same set up. This is good info. Thanks
Nice, another unicorn on the road!
We tow with F150 with ecoboost and tow package. Tows thru mountains on interstates fine.
My grandparents towed their 30' airstream into their 60s with a town car. 4.8L and a body on frame, it handled it well. Not to mention the rear air from the factory. Throw an equilizer into the mix, and they didn't really have any problems. They did have an issue when an airbag erupted. Damaged the car and the trailer; they were fine. Insurance covered the body damage and the trailer is from the 70s, so it was worth repairing. They sold it a couple years later as they started downsizing. My grandfather is 98 now and still going strong.
They used to tell me that at rallies, somebody would pull a pup airstream with a bicycle. Airstreams are super light and can be towed with just about anything.
Thank you for showing us
Great video, you covered lots of details and data that most people don’t consider, especially nice that you talk about what speed you could go up the mountain passes and what the grades were. Also very good that you talked about how the brakes performed going down mountain passes. I will take my time and go downhill grade, I start out slow at the top and let the transmission do a lot of the work rather than the brakes.
I would personally get an F350 that is lowered with airbags when the kids want to get in and out and then raise it back up when you’re on the road. I also would’ve gone with a diesel.
Hi John, I've got what you have with my 2013 F150 Super Crew I purchased last year. The truck had 61,000 miles on it at that time. Now has 74,000. At present I tow a Thor Chateau 22D, and the truck tows great. Very happy with the setup. The tow/haul feature works great thru all the driving and braking.
I cant tell if your wife was about to chew your ear off or hold your beer :) I guess it depends on the day! Great video, thank you for making it.
We have a 2018 F150 configured exactly as you do, but in an FX4 model. We are pulling a 28 foot Airstream International Signature model, slightly less heavy than yours and we travel with all three trailer tanks empty. I am getting 11.7 MPG under similar conditions as you state. I always . . . ALWAYS . . . use premium gas and get better performance that way. In my research of fuel types, Most folks that understand fuels state that, in the F150 EcoBoost engine, you can get 1.5 to 2.0 better per gallon when towing a trailer, by using premium fuels. Try it a few times and see for yourself. Just a quick thought this evening.
Thanks for the tip. I've been using 87 octane. I'll try the premium and see if I see a difference.
In the owner’s manual it says premium is recommended when towing.
I have a 2011 f150 3.5 ecoboost with tow package 289k mikes no issues, upgraded to a 2019 f-250 Larait 6.7 diesel and I tell u it’s like night and day , I mean I pull a cougar camper and that diesel pulls like a train and most important the engine exhaust brake ,
Me to. Night and day difference.
Wow, thank you! Every word has value. You hit all the points that anyone could ask for. Safe travels. Thumbs up, subbed.
Thanks for the nice words Ron!
That setup should be more than capable for 30’ airstream. Impressed by the payload.
I am towing GD imagine 2400bh (6500lbs) with my 2015 GL450. It tows just fine and I am getting 11mpg.
I purchased a 2500 HD Duramax, even though at the time I didn’t need that kind of HD capability I knew I might someday and ended up buying a larger camper and the truck tows without any strain snd still gets 15mpg highway
I traded my 2016 F-150 3.5 because it had difficulty towing my '05 Airstream 30' Slideout, 8600 pounds, in the mountains and overheated in the summer months. The truck was the 156-inch wheelbase Platinum, with a 3.55 differential. I loved the truck, but it just couldn't handle the total weight I never carried water.
That is an unreal payload. It's 1000lbs more than my Ram Rebel!
Cause a Rebel is an offroad truck, not really made for towing ( low payload and offroad suspension + tires ). I have a Silverado RST 2021 with max tow package and it has 2108 pounds of payload. Crewcab, 6.5 foot bed ( good wheelbase ) and 4wd. Still changing for a Silverado Custom 2500HD diesel.
We have the Expedition sister ship to your F150. Unicorn. 1801 lbs payload. Not bad for an SUV! Pulls our 5300# travel trailer beautifully.
I have 2017 f150 2.7L eco-boost and 10 foot dump trailer. I tow average 15k pound total and towed up to 18k time to time. I don’t use special towing attachments and have at least 500 pound in my truck beds all the time. Unless it’s local steep up and down hills, it has no problem on freeway. With 55-60m/h speed and decent weight distribution, up to 12k is an easy easy towing for f150!! Trust me.
I have really been looking hard to find a video like this and appreciate the details. Great content and Logan wanted to hang out with dad.
Thank you! If you have any more questions feel free to ask us. Aloha, john
JohnJessJourney Absolutely. I guess we were convinced that a 23 to 25 foot was about as large as you wanted to go with an F150. I will definitely factor in that fancy hitch.
@@macmovieman1 We've towed our 30' about 15,000 miles over the past year. With the truck setup and the hitch I've never felt unsafe and its towed beautifully. With that said when you get to the larger Airstreams your biggest concern with the F150 is your payload capacity. I dont know how feasible it is to tow with a standard F150 but most people don't relaize you can get an F150 with the payload capacity of an F250.
Your kids were hilarious man. Reminds me of my reactions with our 3 & 4 year olds. Lol. Great video!
Thanks dude!
Wow, good info. I have almost the same setup...8000 lb camper and an F150 with the max tow package, so I'm always tuning in to videos like this one. I thought I knew just about everything about the packages that are available but I've never heard of the beefier payload package.
Yeah its really not that common of an option.
Thank you for your very informative video. This information is exactly what I was looking for.😎
Glad to help!
Thanks for the video. Tow a 2020 open range 275rls with our f150 never no issues avgerave is 12 mpg
Great video I totally agree with you who needs that big f250 when your only towing for weekends and vacations. Your f150 with the EcoBoost is more than enough for the weight of your trailer and the miles you do under tow... Plus your maintenance cost and your fuel mileage is better and makes sense... For all those folks giving you shit it mean they dont have a f150 EcoBoost... Because if you did you would know it could pull a house of its foundation... The Banks family
Thank you for the positive comments, we appreciate it!
Totally honest. Love it.
Very good review, you cleared alot of questions that I had
would love it to see even a short update on this thoughts!
Great tips on the truck John. I plan on getting a 26' RB Twin. Enjoy your info on the Airstream and equipment aspect.
@@franky9928 is there a better layout for towing as in front bed?
The HDs are awesome. Ours is even more "Unicorn" like, we have a 500a Lariat (Canadian Model) with the HDPP/MTTP , 2405 pound payload. Tows our 28 foot TT very well, great power from the 3.5 EB. I agree about the engine braking just too small an engine to add much, the transmission does downshift like a fiend trying to help.
Wow, I think you even have 50lbs more than me.
Thank you for the video.
And if your truck has a manual mode, usually whatever gear your truck selected to go up a Hill is the same, you would use to go down the incline. But I usually go one lower. When I drove tractor-trailer if I was in fourth gear going up a Hill. I go down the Hill at third gear.
I’m truck shopping-I have the first Gen of Ford’s 3.5L ecoboost in my Ford Flex, which is the same engine as the F150 and we had a fairly rare problem that required a lot of engine work (dual air turbo replacement-this is the “boost” mechanism in a Ford ecoboost engine) and nearly required an engine rebuild (we got lucky). This all happened at 100k miles and was so frustrating. I know an F150 ecoboost is the most logical choice but I’ve been traumatized…😵💫😬
I hear you. We haven't had any issues so far at 60k miles. Although there was a leak on one of the front gaskets that was replaced under warranty. ( It was a small oil leak )
Beautiful setup! No doubt you researched the hell out it. My wife is also vertically challenged, fortunately some ugly chrome sidesteps came on my F150.
I tow a 35' that's 8000 dry. No issues at all. 10 mpg.
I have a cross roads 33SI, 35 foot, dry weight, 7250. As loaded, 8154. My f150 with EcoBoost turbo, no problem. 5% grade for 18 miles, 55mph and 9.5 mpg. Normally, 12 to 14 without big hills.
Just saw your video !
I did exactly the same thing. It’s a black Lariat which I special ordered.
Yeah its pretty hard to find one without special ordering it.
Those are nice hitches. Another thing that helps, most newer trucks including the F150 have sway control built into the way power is applied to the the rear wheels. I am sure that feature does not help near as much as the hitch you are using but just an added bonus.
Those hitches are worth every penny...don't believe me? Just ask anyone with one.
I just bought a 33ft airstream. I have a 2019 f150 3.5 max tow package and bought a propride hitch. The dealer says no problem with this truck, my friends are skeptical. Guess I'll find out. I towed my 19 ft airstream as if nothing was behind me and it weighed in at 5000 lbs and that was up and fow some pretty steep grades. The 33 is just under 8000. This video makes me feel a bit more comfortable.
The one thing to check is your payload capacity. If you don't have the heavy duty payload option on the truck you could easily run out of payload if your hitch weight is, say, 900-1000 lbs for the 33'trailer plus hitch weight. ( Although I don't know what your trailer weighs, just guessing ) One person commented that they were able to cheaply add an extra leaf spring on their f150 to help with the payload. Not sure if they also had to change out the wheels.
@@johnjessjourney2352 well I have a spare 4939 lbs of towing left on a dry trailer weight and a spare 1800 of cargo weight counting the hitch and tongue weight. I bought a propride hitch so I was told it distributes the trailer and tongue weight better then most tow packages. Thinking of adding falcon adj shocks to the back
@@johneertwegh6261 sounds good. I have to say I love our propride hitch. 25k+ miles of towing and never experienced any trailer sway.
Update. Towing has been fine plenty of power. At times even with the pro pride hitch big rigs that pass me do suck me over a bit. Nothing bad you get use to it after awhile. What I can't get use to is dangerous truck drivers and there's plenty out there. My only concern is long down hill stretches. I have gone down a few but am a bit concerned about longer extended down hill grades. I generally try and keep my speed 45-50 mpg but have had a couple times where I felt I was using the brakes a bit too much to keep it there even with using the 10 speed transmission.
@@johnjessjourney2352 payload is right at 3300 on my truck, hitch weight is a bit heavy at 1200lbs so have a bit of a buffer zone. I generally don't carry more then 600lbs of cargo past the hitch weight.
Loveland pass is 12,000’ only if you don’t use Eisenhower Tunnel max elevation 11,158’. I’m pretty certain you chose what 99% of travelers choose which is the tunnel😎🇺🇸. Great post though!
Correct. I believe taking the tunnel makes it 800' less.
I love my F150 3.5 Ecoboost. Tows great.
I ordered a similar truck; with the payload package, but with an 8 foot bed and extended cab (for a 163" wheelbase). Also, a 5.0 instead of the Ecoboost. Less torque than the Eco, but it is still rated to tow 11K pounds. It's a nice truck. My only issue with it is the 10-speed transmission feels a little slushy to me when I step on the gas.
Nice. Continue to enjoy and be safe.
This is a great video Thank you
We have the same truck with the exception of our 5.0 v8. I don't know how but our payload is 2550. We are currently searching for the right trailer for our truck. Thanks for your info.
Our ford 150 3.5 eco boost with tow package. Comes with engine breaks and engine cooling.
10:41 that also helps with trailer sway and a little bit with stability...
10:43🎤 📢📢📢OVERALL 📢📢📢🎤
Yep... sorry about blowing your eardrums... poor sound editing on my part.
@@johnjessjourney2352 haha I was just joking, video was still really good 👍🏼
@@roctrongo ah no worries!
John and Jess - GREAT video and explanation. We've ordered a unicorn (2022 F-150 XLT 6.5ft bed, 3.5 eco-boost max payload and towing) ourselves to pull our Airstream Flying Cloud 28rb twin. We'll probably go with the Propride also, but I want to calculate precisely how much weight (from the 195lb hitch) I can shift to the AS's axles. Hoping to get it under 100lbs. Thanks again!
Nice! It's been 3 years and we're still very happy with our setup.
Impressive payload!! My Ram 2500 has only 1850lbs payload.
My RAM 2500 only has a payload of 1750, but i had to have the air ride system. Love it. Almost went with the F150 max tow eco-boost. Great video.
It is interesting how much 3/4 ton ( and I guess 1/2 ton) trucks vary in payload.
My 2019 Silverado 2500 has close to 3,000 payload with a 9500 GVW. That’s with the 36 gallon fuel tank full. Of course the diesel knocks that down quickly.
Larger break kit I heard is a better option. I have crossed drilled/slotted rotors. Breaking is much better
While I haven't had any type of fade or braking issues, I'm upgrading to cryogenic treated cross drilled rotors.
Nice trailer. Those airstream are nice but heavy. My uncle fishtailed his on i77 and rolled it down the median and flipped the van on its side so be careful. I just got a 30 foot osias Shasta but weight is about 5200 and the f 150s seem to pull good.
Yikes! The proPride hitch we put on pretty much eliminates all trailer sway and greatly mitigates the risk of fishtailing, so hopefully we'll keep it upright. Aloha, john
@@johnjessjourney2352 that's good. I got the eaz-lift r3 that has break pads on it to stop sway. It's a lil weird but told it works good
I have the exact same truck. Love it. Had an 18, payload was 2449. Now have a 19, more options including a tailgate step, and the payload is 2500, no idea how they did that. Looking at a jayco 27.5 rlts with a loaded pin around 1800 or maybe 1900 pounds. The math will just barely work, but it will. On the upgrade brake comment in your video, putting bigger brakes on the truck is problematic. However, putting a disc brake kit on the airstream (I am assuming it has electric drums) would be a HUGE upgrade, not expensive if DIY, and would yield the greatest bang for the buck. Plus, when you go to sell it, you would likely recoup most of it back, and also make for a tastier trailer that stands out from the pack.
Thanks for the tip. I admittedly haven't spent any time looking into what I can and can't do regarding upgraded brakes but if what you say is easier I'll definitely consider that.
That thing is a beast you will have no problems. My ecoboost has the tow package only and we towed 6700 over the Appalachians like it wasn't even there. Try locking out the higher gears and slowing down steep grades and your brakes will stay cool. Good luck!
I have 3.5L eco towing 7600lb. Do you have any engine temperature issues climbing hills? I'm getting 230-240 engine temp when climbing. Don't know if it's normal or I have some issue.
@@henryford2736 Yes. Highest I noticed was just over 230 but it immediately fell to closer to 210 as I broke the crest of the climb... it didn't linger and was very brief. I wasn't concerned. If you stay consistently over 223 maybe be concerned. Transmission averaged about 204 and topped out at 212 a few times which is no problem. I have a 2014, 6 speed and locked out 5 and 6. Kept the rpms at about 2700 at 62 mph in 4th. I didn't push it and had no problems.
@@henryford2736 Also, the turbos get hot so let it run for a minute or 2 before you turn the ignition off... they are oil cooled. Use full synthetic oil and change often when towing heavy loads. Certainly don't go more than 5k.
@@henryford2736 Oh I forgot... use high octane when towing. It is less volatile and will not ignite to early. You'll get better mileage and performance when towing.
@@CommonCentsOutdoorsman I have 2015 with 6spd. But I don't know my options like the oil cooler. It's 4x4 off road Lariat. I'll keep an eye on those temp numbers. It's all new to me our first tow was to Woodland park in CO 8500ft.
Super high payload numbers!
If you hadn't showed the sticker. I wouldn't have believed it.
Wish my 19 had real mirrors.
Love the 3.5 EcoBoost 👍
Its a good little puller!
I love my f150 I have the 6.2 Ford Powered lariet 6.5 bed
Great Video
Enjoyed your video! I too can attest to the ProPride hitch and the difference it made from the friction system I had before when pulling my 30' Airstream.
It does seem to work great. You have more experience than I do as I've never towed anything without it but in my limited experience I've never felt any swaying.
@@johnjessjourney2352 I should have done more research up front and not endured the friction based system. I have a 3/4 ton truck but it never felt right pulling my AS. I drove semis for over 13 years (1+ MM miles) and was sensitive to what I was pulling. Found out about ProPride and called their office beforehand. Was able to speak to Sean at length (a great, unhurried experience btw) and decided to push forward after learning it was based on physics (I still subscribe to math and science). As for the purchase price, best ~$3k I have ever spent; like you, Safety supersedes other considerations. Again, good video!
I have Airstream and have diesel GMC 2500 hd. 16 mpg. Diesel is a dollar a gallon cheaper than Premium gas. Fortunately Airstream is aerodynamically designed. 30% less drag. Sorry I would never do what you have done. Get the 250 and be done with it. I don’t have to use a fancy tow bar with my 3/4 ton. Each to his own. Love America!
We were planning on getting a truck and Airstream at retirement. We bought the truck but the Airstream is having to wait a bit on financing. We special ordered a 2018 F-150 XLT Super Cab with an eight foot bed. We got the Max Tow package but they told us the high payload package couldn't be combined with the Max Tow package. This was July of 2017. It appears sometime between then and you ordering your truck that changed. Thank you for sharing your gas mileage. We've been wondering what to expect once we get the trailer. We are thinking more along the lines of a 25 or 27 rather than the 30 as there are just the two of us. My latest tank of gas was mostly on open road but many mountains, including Bald Mountain Pass in Utah that tops out just below 10,000 feet. I got over 22 miles per gallon. It sounds like I should expect the trailer to roughly cut that in half on the flats. City driving with just the truck drops it to 19 - 20 mpg.
When we ordered they let us test drive a 2017 F-250 and a 2017 F-150 with the 3.5 L EcoBoast. My wife had trouble getting into the F-250 and it rode like a truck. The route they suggested for the test drive included an on ramp to I-15 that goes up a bit of a hill. The F-250 did it like a truck. With the F-150 getting in was no problem, they were both 4 X 4's, and going up that on ramp with the EcoBoast turbochargers kicked in made the V8 gas powered F-250 look like a wimp.
Your report makes me think I made a good choice. Thank you for sharing with us.
Yeah, I'm not sure what was offered last year. I do know that Ford has very specific configurations and many of them do NOT support the heavy duty payload. For example I don't think you can get the higher trim levels, or different engine etc. with the extra payload.
You will get better mileage with premium gas when pulling your Airstream. My 2018 Ford F150 FX4 4X4, with all the stuff mentioned above gets 11.7 mpg with premium fuel. It also helps pull better in the mts. I live in OR and travel to MT, WY and ID several times a year. I have a 2019 28' foot Airstream International Signature.
@@johnowens1972 My owners manual suggested mid-grade since I live at higher altitude. Visiting my daughter in Oceanside, CA I thought I could get by with regular. It took three tanks of mid-grade, mostly at lower altitudes, before my mileage came back to previous levels. When I'm towing I will definitely use premium.
@@livingourdream9005 Agree with your statement about when towing to use premium. When I'm getting ready to travel, I get the tank as low as I can, then fill up with premium for towing. At all other times, I use mid-grade fuel, but high quality fuels like Chevron and Shell, not that cheap gas station that no one has heard of before. Hope my suggestion helps. I think you'll notice a bit of a difference in mileage and power when it's needed on hills, etc.
Good truck, had one before my F250. My only comment is that if getting into 8% grades, the F250 braking is better for safety. My previous F150 brakes were an issue, along with cooling system on 8% grades. Do not get me wrong, the EcoBoost is a great engine, ours was Max tow / payload as well, with high performance Roush Cold Air etc, reprogrammed transmission. For same $, went to F250 to get improved handling.
I agree with everything you said. If it wasnt for the larger size and height I would have opted for the 250. The brakes are the the one lacking item in my current setup. I havent felt unsafe yet but beefier brakes would have been a plus.
Awesome video. However. Don't know about the truck being heavy enough for that size trailer. I saw a video a while back and apparently a huge gust of wind flip an F150 pulling a 27ft Serenity.
That truck doesn't seem heavy enough to emergency brake with a trailer that heavy going 30+MPH, but I grew up with duallies pulling big gooseneck horse trailers.
Tows like a beast...can't waist my time watching a video on it!
Sounds like max towing on the truck is 13,200 lbs trailer the trailers gross trailer's max weight is around 8800 lbs. The tongue weight is usually around 10% or 880 lbs. The payload capacity on the truck is 2453 - 880 =~ 1573 lbs of payload remaining for passengers, fuel, bikes, etc. Sounds like it should work. If you really want to be 1000% sure you can goto a CAT Scale and get the exact weight.
in the early 80's i didnt like the looks of the airstream....but they are really nice trailers!!!
I'm sure John is very proud of his purchase. I, too, am a Ford guy. Nevertheless, while the Ecoboost is a nice light weight towing package, even with 4wd and the extra tow options, he's slicing the towing loaf pretty thin. Neither BTBRV nor TFL Truck would approve of your math for a 5th wheel, and certainly not for a TT either. The only way to be safe with your numbers is to load your rig to the max, including your usual amount of traveling freshwater and empty waste tanks, and go to a weigh station asap. The new 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost with hybrid and over 500 lbs/ft of torque might handle your rig. But any way you look at it, John simply has no idea how much his rig and possibles weigh. I was surprised to see him actually round his numbers down. Not very smart, and certainly dangerous. I'm surely no mathematician, but one thing I refuse to compromise is the safety of children, if any. After you get an accurate gross vehicle rating, please go to Ford.com/tow capacities and look up exactly how much your Ecoboost can haul and tow. Use that as your base tow number.
I actually have a degree in mathematics from MIT, so in fact I am a mathematician. I'm not rounding down in my estimates, quite the opposite. My truck's tow capacity is 12,900lbs. The airstream's unloaded weight is 6700lbs. I can assure you I do not load 6,000lbs into it. So I'm well under that number. That leaves us with cargo capacity and the ability to carry the weight. The cargo capacity as configured is 2,453lbs. The weight of everything we put directly in / on the truck, including ourselves, never exceeds 800lbs. So that leaves me with 1,653lbs for the hitch weight. The airstream is not front loaded with some ridiculous weight like banks of lithium batteries. Even if we take 15% of gross weight, the higher end of the scale, I'd have to have a gross weight of 11,000lbs to hit that hitch weight. Again that's not even in the ballpark of being realistic. My children's safety is paramount to me. Which is why I also use a hensley hitch with my setup. Having driven this setup back and forth across the country for 25,000 miles, up and down mountain passes, in high winds etc, I have never felt unsafe, never felt any trailer sway with that hitch and never had issues stopping. If I loaded our airstream to anywhere near the weight capacity of my truck the airstream would fall apart. It would certainly be a differnt story if this F150 didnt have the extra payload capacity option. With that option its in league with F250's.
@@johnjessjourney2352 Can you provide a link to the nearest burn unit, asking for a friend. ^^
Hello, John. Not sure if I told you, but I do have a 2021 27' Globetrotter on order, delivery is expected in late November 2021. Thanks to you video, you have confirmed all of my numbers and research when it comes to deciding on the TV. That would be the new 2021 Ford F-150 Powerboost Hybrid, as Roger described above. What is really cool is that it comes with a built-in generator that has a 30W outlet, so you can connect your Airstream to it. Anyway, the problem is that if you order the PowerBoost engine, you can't get the Heavy Duty Payload Package. The Ford.com guide says the payload capacity is 2120 lbs, maybe I can upgrade the tires to give me more. And yes, I am getting the 6.5 foot box as well...but chose not to get 4x4 as I understand 2 wheel drive can give you better mileage. One last question, I know I am rambling on...what color is your F-150? Is that Iconic Silver? Were you trying to match the Airstream? Does it? Thanks, John. Love your vids, and your kids too.
*It won't matter w/a larger brake-diameter because of the heat factor*
*True that it takes longer for heat-expansion to occur causing 'fade' yet there's the fact that 'The greater the amount of Mass, the longer it will take to cool-down'*
*The major criteria to consider is the braking on the coach itself since it has 'Drum Brakes'
that are subject to over-heat much faster than 'Disc' brakes...going fast down a steep-grade
is a 'recipe for disaster' because of the tendency to allow speed to build-up and then attempt to control it by 'riding the brakes'*
( *The grade on 'SR 68' leading down to Bullhead City, Az. is the '#1 RV Killer' in the U.S.' especially for Motor-homes! I've seen a 28-ft Rv burned to nothing except axles & engine...even the glass is gone* ) *The best option is using the transmission to 'lock-down'
into a lower-range rather than 'stabbing & jerking' the brakes quickly or 'riding the pedal'*
*A specialized transmission-cooler is a 'Tower's Best Friend' yet even that must be allowed
to 'rest & cool-down' before fluid-boiling occurs*
Do slotted and drilled rotors work better ?
@@johneertwegh6261 *Only to a certain extent, where high speeds are involved such as racing so discs won't 'warp' from excessive heat*
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*The disk-pads themselves are the 'weak-point' where glazing can build-up very fast from super-heated materials used in the compounds used to make them*
*The 'Best' brakes are in your head, using common sense and allowing time for brakes to 'cool down' by using the transmission in a lower-range that won't allow the vehicle and trailer to 'build-up speed' on steep descents*
*Using a car to pull a 'big-ass trailer' with is a mistake, even if the car's rated to tow 'X-amount' of total weight for both car & trailer because those specifications are NOT for going down steep mountain roads!*
@@gerrynightingale9045 thanks, I never let the trailer get over 50 mph and when it does brake down to 40mph then use the trailer breaks every 3rd breaking cycle to give the truck breaks a rest. I use the transmission as much as possible
@@johneertwegh6261 *That'll work!*
*But 'Caution' is still the best 'Brake'*
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*Straight smooth roads that are level are always best, but going down the 'Pikes Peak' mountain-road w/a 'Long Long Trailer' isn't funny when brakes seize from heat and tires start melting!*
( *I never knew that aluminum-wheels will MELT in the heat of a vehicle fire and so will glass!* )
*Hwy 68 into Bullhead/Laughlin is the 'worst road in the continental U.S. for destroying 'Class 'A' motorhomes from brake failure fires*
*At least two 'M/H's & four 'TT's every single year when I lived there from '90 to '95 destroyed by fire, usually about half-way down '68'*
( *'Newbies ride the brakes' and it's soon 'all over but the crying'* )
@@gerrynightingale9045 I'm very cautious
I always wonder is the eco boost wear and tear towing much greater to the engine vs a V8. My guess is the V8 would strain less
I wish a engineer had the data on durability long term…I’ll take a v8 best guess would last longer
Yeah I'm not sure. We now have about 50,000 miles on it with no issues but obviously would need to use it for for years for a proper analysis
You’re forcing air & gas into the V6 with twin turbo making a bigger boom, yes wear & tear will be quicker than the old reliable 5.0L V8. But that Eco provides more torque in low gears giving more power on hills, very useful in high altitudes like Rockies & Uintas.
I have a 2020 F150 FX4 V8/10SP/3.55/CREW4x4/5.5box Pulling a 26RMBRR Toyhauler. Loaded limit 7900#... From Michigan to South and North Dakotas thru the Blacks Hills... average 9.3mpg... high was 13.8, low 7.5mpg. We made the usually mistake most first timers do, we bought the truck to pull a pontoon/trailer. Ended up selling that and buying a toyhauler. Ordered a Grey Wolf 26ft'r. When it came it was 500# more than advertise listed empty weight and the cabin measured 30'3", AOL 34ft. So why would Grey Wolf advertise it as a 26MBRR?? The truck pulls it ok but a F250 would have been a better choice. Truck payload is 1806#. A CAT Weigh-in the axles are max out loaded but not over with the limit. We RV mostly without the SxS loaded and that saves 1250#...
Nice video by the way!!
Yeah it's easy to run out of 1800lb payload
Most folks younger than 60 might not realize that people used to pull heavy campers all around the country with their Oldsmobiles, Buicks, Chryslers and other cars of the 50's and 60's. Fords F150 3.5 ecoboost and GMs 6.2 in their 1500 are more than capable of towing a 8000 lb travel trailer.....as long as they're set up to tow.
I tow a 20' Airstream with my 1968 Mercury Monterey. I get lots of looks.
The hybrid F-150 may have engine braking I know my Toyota sienna hybrid towing downhill regenerative braking kicks in
You didn’t mention range per fill up, so I’ll assume 26 gallon tank x 10 mpg = 260 miles between fill ups. I’ve ordered the Tesla CyberTruck with 500 mile range and 14,000 pound tow capacity. I’ll create a channel too and it will be interesting to compare ICE v EV towing an Airstream. Stay tuned.
We have a 36 gallon tank. I recently did 5 days straight from san diego to FL and I averaged 10.4mpg. That's probably the most accurate estimate I have since I kept track and didnt take any side trips.
JohnJessJourney
Pulling a 25 footer I’ll get about 350 mile range (flat road, warm weather) at a cost of $12-15 per “fill up”. Your cost per tank is about $70-75 for roughly the same distance. It will be interesting to compare and contrast 20th century v 21st century rving.
@@vvattup I'm with you - this is probably my last combustion engine vehicle. I would definitely get the cybertruck if it was available.
RV X EV how long does it take to charge the truck when you stop?
Slow down there cowboy, there isn’t anyway that Tesla is going to get 500 miles a charge when towing 14,000#. That’s like saying the F-150 gets the 23 mpg when max towing. The Tesla and all other electric trucks will at best get 350 miles but probably in the 250-300 range when towing. Its a fact it takes more power to tow more weight, no matter gas or electric. Towing is the down fall of electric vehicles for now but my hope is 10-15 years from now we will be able to get 400-500 miles on a towing electric truck, but that means it will bet 700+ when not towing.
That’s a really nice setup. The problem is the brakes. I have almost the same truck and it needs larger brakes. That’s where the f250 comes in.
Nah just setting the electric brakes correctly. The trailer should brake itself not the truck. You do need to factor in the tongue and cargo but he has 2200# capacity which is more than most 3/4.
Nice and informative. What bike rack is that? Will it hold 2 electric fat tire bikes? If it will, where did you get it?
1upusa.com. They're great racks I love them
The test would be how it will react in an emergency braking condition. Flaws don’t show how when everything is normal. I don’t know if that truck would be stable enough, due to the lighter weight of the truck. How heavy is that hitch assembly?
True. The hitch assembly in total is about 200lbs. I do love that hitch though. After towing over 40,000 miles with it under all types of conditions I've never ever had any trailer sway. It brings great piece of mind.