How Red Bull's other team built F1 2023's slowest car
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2023
- While one of Red Bull’s teams has built a stunningly fast car already looking nailed on to win both titles yet again in 2023, its other team is faring a lot worse.
AlphaTauri had the slowest car on average over the first three races of the season, it has not looked easy to drive at all, and one fortunate point in Australia leaves the team joint-last in the championship, ahead of Williams only on countback.
It’s surprising for a team that won a race in 2020 and had its best ever season in 2021 to have fallen so far, especially given its links to Red Bull Racing, which has produced another world-beater.
But big changes are already being made at the track and away from it, and more are coming.
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it's because Alpha Tauri is still based in Italy, the Ferrari strategy is spreading to them
HAAS and Alfa Romeo have the Ferrari syndrome too!
As a Ferrari fan, I agree
too much wine and cheese
I heard it’s something in the air
Too many pasta and pizza breaks. It's Italian culture. They start off guns blazing and fizzle out before the halfway mark.
Only Red Bull can build the fastest and slowest car on the grid at the same time
*Ahem* You forgot Mercedes-Williams from last year or previously more
@@janyogyog76 1:39 3rd Fastest & 3rd Slowest is much less impressive 😹
@@janyogyog76 Apples to oranges.
@@janyogyog76Mercedes doesn't Own Williams
@@janyogyog76 They are not connected to that level.
Yuki's result in Saudi GP was impressive though considering he was in the slowest car in quali and race pace.
He also kept piastri behind for a long time in australia
Yuki stinks and there’s no excuse why he doesn’t
@@gamingnoah9807 That had nothing to do with Yuki though. He literally wasn't defending, the McLaren just has so much drag that even with DRS and slipstream the McLaren had a lower top speed then the Alpha Tauri. That's how shit the McLaren is.
It’s a shame as well that Yuki seems to have really turned a corner this year. Hope he gets a fair crack at fighting for some better points at some point this year so he gets a chance to prove a little more of his growth
I'm not sure he's turned a corner; he is slowly but steadily getting more consistent and level-headed and that hasn't stopped in 2023 so good on him, but honestly a big thing making Yuki look better this year is swapping Gasly for De Vries. I like Nyck in F1, I was excited for him to get his chance and he still deserves to grow into it, but he's not been excelling in F1 so far and we might have to admit that the Williams was actually a properly quick car at Monza 2022 and De Vries maybe was a bit flattered by the whole situation.
Unfortunately, I doubt he'll get a spot in Redbull. Lawson won his first Super Formula race, and really should've been 3rd in the second, but got a penalty and ended 5th. That's his first weekend in a car he's never driven, and practice got cancelled. He qualified 3rd and won a race with zero practice in the closest thing to a Formula 1 car outside of being in a Formula 1 car. There's just no way Redbull is going to do a comparison between Yuki and Lawson and go "Yeah, let's go with Yuki". Super Formula is much closer to F1 then F2 is. I think we'll see Yuki replaced at the end of this year by Lawson, so Yuki needs to earn a place in another team by then. Unless DeVries fails to improve, in which case Lawson will replace him. But Redbull absolutely wants Lawson as a potential replacement for Perez after 2024. Yuki just has not shown any promise to be the next Redbull driver in his 2021 and 2022 seasons, and while he's been very consistent this year, consistency isn't what Redbull are after, especially with Verstappen indicating he might not even want to race in F1 until his contract expires in 2028. They need the next prodigy, and Yuki just doesn't seem to fit the bill.
And Yuki is dragging this tractor where it shouldn't be. People actually thought De Vries would be a lot closer if not beating Yuki off the bat.
To be fair, he is making the other rookies look like chumps, in a worse car...
This is yuki's chance to show he can get the best out of a bad car. If he impresses let a prospect have a go in the second Red Bull again!
Yeah, Yuki has been doing exactly that so far: Extracting performance _to the limit_ out of the sh*t car.
@@halflanding1900 yup, Yuki is quick as hell tbh, he was missing consistency, I think this year he learned that, I think he has more potential than pierre imo
He’s done amazing in my opinion
He is a complete waste of a seat. The ONLY reason he is in F1 is his sponsors and where he comes from. The ONLY driver on the grid that is worse is the chinese/brit or whatever he is this year Guanyu Zhou, a seat purchase!
Or the car build around yuki driving style but just not fast or easy to drive by others.
Balanced, RB have the fastest car and their other team has the slowest. Perfect RB sandwich
Red Bull has the whole field cornered! Front and back, they are trapped!!!
"perfectly balanced, as all thing should be"
Redbull owns F1, end.
I think that If Redbull would have the second fastest car, Toro Rosso should be 9th, If Redbull is the third, Toro Rosso 8th and so on
The move to the UK, _if_ they shut down the factory in Italy, will have them going against the agreement made with Stoddard when they bought Minardi. That was to keep the team where it was (which they've so far stuck to). I don't know if it was a gentleman's agreement or in the contract, but I do foresee bad publicity as a minimum, coming their way.
It was in the contract to keep it until 2009 I think, they've gone above and beyond there
Finishing last is bad publicity too😂
Over 15 years is a reasonable time to stick to an agreement like that. Would be 20 by the time they might manage to move
Redbull have Adrian Newey. There you go, just saved you 9 minutes.
The car being a proper boat may be a blessing for Yuki, his performances are making him look fantastic dragging that thing about on the limit.
This highlights the true genius of Adrian Newey for successfully developing a superior aero design. No other team has come close. As we have seen with other teams using the Ferrari or Mercedes power unit, winning performance is not strictly based on the PU. I am really surprised with the arrogance on the Alphatauri team refusing to adopt as much RB technology as is allowed, because they want to have more pride in saying it was designed by Alphatauri? Give it up!!! RB clearly has the most successful car design in this new era, so they should be happy that, as a sister team, they are allowed to borrow a significant amount of that development and use it.
Look at the rapid turnaround at Aston Martin by just hiring some RB designers!
Downside to using all that is allowed is reflected in the Haas team with Ferrari. Different designs. Not all allowed parts will suit the customer team. They might not even fit!
Fax!!
Taking all the parts of another team is a bad idea. Because what if that team decides "hey, all our engines now are changing shape slightly" or "our gearboxes is getting a little longer". Sure, the change fits in their chassis and their body no problem, but suddenly, you're entire car has to shift to accommodate a new part. All that aero you spent ten thousand hours perfecting is gone in an instant because someone else changed a small part, and now you're bodywork has changed and ruined it all. That's why teams try and limit how many parts they get from other teams. Because you lose so much creative control. You can't build the best car you can, you've got to build a good car with parts you can't control.
Social distancing I guess.
Base location problem
Isn't there a simpler answer to this question? It's still Minardi! 😅😉
On a more serious note, their approach to the development of the car, illustrated at 6:53, offers an explanation to why they might struggle so badly. The engineers at Faenza believe they can do just as well as RB can at Milton-Keynes and that's a big misjudgement! Gerhard Berger identified that as a key weakness already in the late 2000s and wanted to move the team closer to RB. As long as they could use RB-spec parts they were fine, but as soon as they had to develop most of the car on their own, they underachieved.
2021 proved that buying and copying as much from RB as possible was the right way. At times they were faster than Ferrari or McLaren and not even that far off RB & Mercedes.
As far as moving their facilities to the UK is concerned, it sounds easier than it really is. They can't just close the factory at Faenza and move everything to the UK within a couple of months. The labour laws in the EU are pretty strict and it will take time for RB to figure out a way how to solve this issue (breaking up legally binding contracts on Italian territory). This might take several years.
Tsunoda really made the career keeping improvement he needed this year, atleast based on what we have seen yet, theres no way Mr. Tost cant be satisfied with the consitiency and performance Tsunoda san is doing
Nice video. Keep up the good work.
This highlights Yuki’s ability to extract every ounce of performance from the car. Now imagine him driving for top tier teams.
It's a shame Blue Bull is so slow
Red Bull is a energy drink
Blue Bull... is a calming drink
@@groundedgaming lol, that made me chuckle
Green Bull is fast though
@@p_adam19 GREEN BULL. A Red Bull + Green Tea combination with reduced caffeine and increased aroma that will get you going, at Light Velocity.
Good on Yuki for improving on that shit box
I like Franz and his brutal honesty. Heads will roll if after upgrades they don’t meet goals. Ferrari please take note. Oh and Merc you could watch some too but good job creeping back up.
I think we are seeing Yukis true talent come out. The car isn’t great and he’s gotten a couple P11s and a p10 out of the slowest car in the grid
It was kinda to be expected when alphatauri said they’d be designing their own car again. Almost every team is following Redbull’s direction, rumors suggesting merc and Ferrari will too, but alphatauri still trying to be itself own team. Anyway… pain.
Just look at the launch of it. It was more an ad for cloths than it was a car launch. It appears to be more of a fit over function case.
Apparently AT was solely designing their own suspension systems when they can legally buy suspension parts off of RB and set it up in a similar way. Teams sell each other suspensions, gearboxes, ect. There’s a part that is made for brakes that Redbull supplies to the entire grid.
Perhaps the team is rediscovering its Minardi roots.
please do a video on haas and alfa romeo or their drivers too
Gloves are a pain in the arse to find the ones that fit your hands best.
I'm pretty much head to toe in AStars, but my gloves have been RST for a while now.
I like the look of the 2023 Alpha Tauri, which will be my rookie season team in F1 2023 video game
They are just there to give RBR extra windtunnel time to test out new things before they go to work with those idea's them self.
Also the fact of the matter is that yuki missed out on points just barely, especially in Jeddha. I was so heartbroken when he went on the radio after losing position
Pierre dodged a massive bullet 😂
For a smaller bullet lol
Sorta but not really since he was there last year. Especially in the second half the AT03 was already one of the slowest cars. But yea, its great he got the Alpine seat and doesn't have to suffer anymore
This aged poorly
They managed to deliver what the fans wanted, Minardi is back
That joke with getting the honor of being last in quali, is the first joke ive ever heard on this channel. Its actually refreshing and nice haha lol
for alpha tauri is importand to find thge drivers that can communicate with teams find the drivers can bring more out of the car .. its easy to ride in a fast car but redbull always searching for drivers can pull more out the car
please talk about how the aston martin car earns big points despite actually being slower than ferrari on some tracks? how is it possible that alpine’s (4th at best) cars have enough pace to keep up with ferarri’s on equal tyres?
we are tired of mercedes and red bull domination videos.
Looks like RB is doing Some Creative Wind Tunnel & Accounting For that Budget Cap😉..
The Race: “It’s not like Alpha Tauri can just take Red Bull’s design and duplicate it”. Aston Martin: “Hold my beer”
*McLaren
When AlphaTauri's inner Minardi emerged to the surface. Voila, this is what we got. 🗿
Adrian Newey's genius ideas can't be spread too much, otherwise people from other teams will hire AT personel and replicate it.
I believe if the car can get a bit more better than Yuki is likely to get into 9th 10th position regularly
And some still accusing RB break budget cap for engine development lol. Look at how the same engine give different result in two different chassis and aero. Just like Mercedes and Aston
it really does start to feel like alpha tauri will be sold in upcoming years
What better way to figure out what works than to find out what doesnt
Would be sad to see Minardi leave its home though if it can not be successful the way it currently runs something has to change.
Alpha Tauri doesn't have the spirit of Minardi.
@@erikahuxley that is their problem I believe. They are a secondary brand of a bigger company and forgot how to be a race team.
I don't think RB should have two teams. I think it's time for Alpha Tauri or Torro Rosso as i still know them, to become self owned
2:40...when did John Cena start working in F1? 😂
Renaming them back to Minardi and painting the cars black would at least make them sympathetic underdogs again.
rb needed more budget to prevet costcap. so steal dev budget shit from other team is fine.
Given the historic lineage of Alpha Tauri as training step up to Red Bull seat, it seems logical to keep the team…
but given the premium price a team commands in current popularity of F1…smart money says SELL!
Honda works team when!?
It's not smart money to sell at all. Why would you sell now that F1 is actually becoming profitable for the teams?
Just call them Minardi again and i wouldnt even be mad at them being slow.
Yes😂
Some of the points made in this video are kind of weird. At the start they say that they even won a race in 2020, but then say that this season they scored only one point, but not on merit. Bro, that win in Monza was also not on merit.
Is Redbull staff allowed to help AT?
Such as Adrian Newey designing part of the car?
No, when they were STR, they used Red Bull customer cars for their first four seasons. First had a rev-restricted V10 and their second was just painfully slow and unreliable. I remember them and Super Aguri had complaints lodged against them from Spyker for using customer cars.
If AT doesn't want to clone RB, they should just clone AM 😂😂
It’s mad that they’ve not leaned on RB more
1:00 Bullish expectations, Red Bullish even
It's always the same. If they win, they loose.
If they doesn't win, the other team suddenly is good. Didn't you saw that before?
I wonder if they get James Key back?
Hey that's what happens when you name your cars after a weird word for the planet earth from Stargate.😉
Alphi -last needs to be rebuilt from ground engineering up to team Manager top !!!
Was that John Cena the Alpha engineer? I couldn't really see him.
💛💚🌲💚💛
So don’t expect to see any significant improvements this season.
Alpha tauri wanted to be “independent” from redbull so it chose to take different parts than what redbull was using, like why wouldn’t you copy the fastest car lol
It's like if Red Bull were using Alpha Tauri to confirm what doesn't work and avoid going that way with their car.
Alpha Tauri found the budget cap hard to work around ?
Clearly they should have allowed more money for their catering…
You know, I wonder how much of this falls on Franz Tost's shoulders. He's been the team principal from the get-go for the team, and they've never really seen much improvement since their early days. Perhaps it's time to change in that position. We can see the difference it can make in a team, looking at the likes of Alfa Romeo and Ferrari especially, and I think the way Franz runs that team is just not a healthy way to run it. You wouldn't hear Wolff, Horner, and not even Vasseur go out of their way to make poor comments about the staff and treat drivers the way he does.
RBR fan here and I wish the consider selling the team..
I'm still amazed that they won't take all the parts they possibly can from RB🤦🏼♂️
Iwasa probably won't win the F2 title against Pourchaire, so Yuki can have 1 more season to prove he is good enough for the main team and it would be really nice if he got the main team seat
Iwasa can take De Vries spot, if he dont improve fast, hes not a kid like Yuki, cant have years to show progress
How do they not “hire” an RBR engineer each year given the tech crossover? Ala haas picking up Ferrari technical expertise
It is all about balance... one team being front, one team being back.... perfectly balanced.
It is also a statement: Formula One Starts and Ends with a Red Bull.
RB using Alpha Tauris wind tunnel time. Pretty obvious.
It worked for Ferrari when they were blooding Massa in the Sauber. Even got them 4th in the Constructors Championship, and brought us Charles LeClerc. So it has its merits.
England is the future for them. It's the world centre of F1 and the benefits of joining it are huge
It's gonna be a Honda works team
I heard that the AlphaTarui is very draggy so
Where did you hear that? I heard Williams is experimenting with nuclear PU 😮
Alpha Tauri is gonna easily beat Haas when the season progress.
Williams and Alfa Romeo to beat first it seems.
Yuki so is carrying Alphatauri
Carrying it where? To 9th place in constructors?
@@kisdoboz he's carrying the team by trying to as much as possible
Shows how good Yuki is and what he could do in a faster car....
Shouldn't honda buy or become alphatauri's main sponsor?
Their engine is great, and they won't supply redbull redbull from 2026 onward, so they need to find someone else, but so far nobody has made a deal with them, right?
Yuki is japanese and close to honda, iwasa is one of the possible drivers to be promoted to at, and is japanese. Another candidate is lawson, who's racing in superformula now
Alphatauri could be an investment for honda, especially if they'll move to the uk, and save Honda the cost of that. Their engines will be on the grid, they'll have great marketing because of the successes they have/will have, and a chance to finally do well in f1.
Plus, that could attract toyota to come back and bring some more money and fame to f1, which they always like
With cadillac possibly entering, audi buying sauber, rumors around hyundai joining, and my possible theory about honda (and hopefully toyota), a new era could start for f1
Cause Red Bull uses AT wind tunnel and CFD to development. This is why should be forbidden to have 2 teams in F1
You know the FIA watch these teams like Hawks right?
@@raycodv267 the fia doesn't have the budget to do that
Given Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have the same owners, it plausible or likely that Red Bull's dominance is a result of this clear advantage.
Two teams owned by one group is a clear conflict of interest and should never have been allowed and should be changed URGENTLY to gain some sporting integrity/credibility.
with Dietrich Mateschitz gone, the current powers to be should really consider selling AlphaTauriand focus on RBR instead?? Porsche anyone?? as this might be the best way for both F! and Porsche to get onto the grid for 2026
Why would they sell now that F1 is finally profitable? Besides, Porsche has consistently shown it has no interest in doing any hard work to get onto the grid and/or successful.
AT is just testing platform for RB, AT is excatly where RB wants them to be.
Clearly the changes they brought to Australia did not work so assume significant problem remains
It's what happens when you use your 2nd team's windtunnel time and budget to upgrade your main car
I'd be pissed as well if I was Franz
Struggled with the budget cap... unlike the Red Bull team who just ignored it 😂
Looks like this is the only Porsche Chance.
Aka: They’re 💯 done for
. . . so he _tost_ his team under the bus? 😊..
*_*ahem!*_* 😓
I'll get my coat! 🧥. -BUS!!- TAXI!!!.. ✋🚖
Alpha Tauri: "my wind tunnel time."
Red Bull: "OUR wind tunnel time."
Finally, last year/this year have been terrible with the backmarker tractor. Excited for Yuki + Lawson in a upper midfield car next year
I mean is it surprising??? They don't want to take red bull parts, not use red bull's aero philosophy and even being stubborn enough to not change. Is it surprising?
Not even Alpha Tauri. They're "Red Bull's other team" 💀😂
Forza MINARDI!!!!
One team gets the Wings, the other gets the Bull.
It's kinda crazy to think when Mercedes was on top, the willams using mostly the same parts was at the very back of the grid. Now with RedBull and AlphaTauri it's the same. Maybe it's a curse to be the sister team of a champ team
Alpha Tauri should be sold. It doesn't make sense to have a second team, especially if it's not even competitive.
They should go separate ways. Sister teams is a silly concept and will always raise competitive eyebrows.
redbull should just give alphatori there 2022 car
The grid is like a redbull sandwich :D
AlphaTauri car is not built let alone designed by Red Bull. What this clearly demonstrates is that aero and suspension engineers have a huge impact on the car performance. This is obvious clearly but these two cars dramatically and clearly illustrate this fundamental fact.
The Aplha team is clearly not as knowledgable or competent in the new format car as their Red Bull counterparts. Sounds like Aston Martin and Mercedes as well.
I think Tost needs to go