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Me watching the demo: oh yeah, that makes sense. I can totally hear the difference.
Phil pulls pickups out of the back of the guitar.
Me: WHAT THE #*$& JUST HAPPENED?!!!
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That's the part that messed with my day.
Mr V why?
@@Person-cv9dj like I was watching and enjoying the video.
Then he was like "want to watch me swap pickups?... Want to see it again?".
Crisis.
Mr V ok
Treble Bleed aside... I LOVE how you swap those pickups around!
I have a guitar with passive humbuckers that comes with a treble bleed, and I am very happy it's there, it allows me to roll down the volume without the output getting muddy. I have a telecaster with NO treble bleed, and its single coils are very bright already, and I'm equally happy it does NOT have a treble bleed, as that lets me roll back volume and soften the sound for rhythm parts. Different applications and situations are, well, different.
I'm 100 % with you on that!
Same goes for the question "What is a good amp?",
which also depends on the situation! The list goes on forever...
That's the way to go for teles, it gives depth to volume swells.
It works great for high output pickups and high gain. The effect is more subtle and doesn't clean up as well compared to low output pickups but It really helps for dialing out low end flub and mud when using a lot of gain. It tightens and focuses the low end and does wonders for palm-muted notes. Overall, it helps harden and sharpen attack and allows the guitar to stand out more over bass and drums.
Great clear demonstration Phil. I’ve always thought of doing it, but now I can hear the darkening of the tone is actually useful for the way I play
Phil just got off the phone with Mark at Somnium and bought his In Stock sibling to your Orange TS3 with a MAPLE NECK! I am so jazzed! Thanks for all the ideas I now have in my head for my "Impossible Guitar" :-)
"To Bleed or Not to Bleed, that IS the question"
This is a great demo. What amazes me is perceived volume. W/ treble bleed added, even as the volume knob is set to decrease volume, things seem louder because of the added clarity
My ears get it now. Thanks.
What a great guitar tech teacher.
Good job man, this experiment is amazing! Thank you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁👍🏻
of all the somewhat gimmick stuff that we see in our industry nowadays, that guitar is by far the one I'd love to own the most, what a great and well executed idea!
For rock and fusion etc., I tend to live on my bridge pickup and fully utilize both Volume and Tone controls (esp the Volume). With no treble bleed, there wouldn't be much point for me in doing that. IMO. With the circuit, turning down to even as low as 2-3 still can yield a usefully delicious clean-but-present rhythm tone, even with an overdriven-on-10 setting.
On the other hand, with my jazz archtops, I definitely prefer a darker 'traditional' jazz tone and this mod wouldn't be necessary there. IME. In that case, I also will make use of the entire Volume knob's range, but it's just going to a different type of warm tonality for that style, when lowered.
All, of course, in my opinion and experience.
I used to put a treble bleed mod in all my guitars now I convert them to '50s wiring try both but I like the '50s better after I got used to it.
Just Humbuckers?
I raise my volume and tone all the way up. And adjust it in my amp. I do like the sound it makes without the bleed mod.
Every guitar should have this!
I removed all treble bleed circuits from any guitars of mine that had them years ago. I found that at gigs, if I'm turning the volume down, I'm wanting to tuck into the mix more, it's the reason for turning down, the treble loss makes that work very well with less actual volume reduction; making not having TB in a performance/live band setting more musical more often than not. Depends on genre and YMMV of course but worth noting.
It’s not a tone loss, as is being implied. It’s a tone change that is actually very controllable.
@@billtice5057 I'm not sure what that means, without TB, if you reduce volume, treble decreases - I removed my TB circuits exactly because I want the treble rolling off a tad. Maybe we are saying the same thing, not sure.
That's just my personal preference after decades of gigging - doesn't apply to everyone, but someone may find it helpful because TB isn't for everyone.
The video is a great resource on TB, just adding some additional info based on experience. :)
karbomusic we’re in agreement! :)
@@billtice5057 Yay!! I should have drank more coffee before replying this morning!
PRS puts treble bleed on all their guts and mine works great live, but we all have different ideas
Great video Phil. I actually started the video thinking I wanted that mod, and then realized I didn't. Excellent worl
thats so cool almost like your knob is actually controling the volume for once and not desimating tone
What a great way to try pickups back to back comparisons
I got one for ya Phil, GFS has several different circuits you can install into your guitar that incorporate everything from overdrive to delay. The one I’m interested in is the comp/sustainer mod. Maybe you could look into that a bit. Would make for a series of videos actually if you tried each one. Thank you for your consistent informative content and no bullshit approach. It shows your work ethic and concern for the community is priority one. Appreciate you man!!! You are a hero…
The treble bleed saved my best guitar for me. A deluxe hss strat, the neck and body are wonderful, but the noiseless pickups were to "muffy". I played the guitar for years like this, but after i read some stuff about the noiseless i decided to put 500K pots in. That resolved the "muffieness", but the single coils went completely high-less when turning down the volume. (Because of resonance peak and stuff.) The treble bleed was the last piece to match the electics to the great wood base. It would have been easier to just put other single coils in, but i liked the sound of the noiseless (n3) enough to try this. And now i wish fender would have done this from the start, the noiseless would have a better reputation now i think.
Phil I've been wanting to do this video for years. Thanks for doing it.
All my (mainly single coil) guitars have treble bleeds, and wired between the "10" side of the Volume and tone control. To defeat or adjust the effect of the treble bleed I use the tone knob between 10 and 8 (where usually nothing really happens).
Since I use staggered (or series) gain staging in my signal, it's the ultimate control infinitely variable. Turning down the volume feels more like rolling off the lows which cleans up the signal instantly. As you said the only time it's not needed is bridge High output Humbuckers. On a 5 way Strat switch there's ways to do that, as well as dual Vol/Tone control guitars. Very useful on the Neck Humbuckers. Think of it also as having that one "sit in the mix" knob when live mixing yourself with the band, ("I can go from the "singer doesn't notice me" to the "real dirty looks / I'm taking a Solo NOW" setting without touching the pedal board.)
Sadly that's why 90% of players never use the volume knob on the guitar but at 10. Should be part of Guitar Lessons (when teaching electric).
Hiya,
Handy hint for strat type guitars.
Add a shielded wire to the input of your pot.
Solder the shield to the back of the pot.
Send the shielded wire out along side the main output to the jack cavity.
Solder your bleed filter in across the wire from the pot to the outpt terminal on your jack.
Future tweaks require only the removal of the jack socket - 2 screws- no string and pickguard removal for future tweekage
Have fun
PS: I run hss with a coil split on my bridge hotrail. I routed the wire to the unused half of the coil split switch so that the treble bleed is only active when the humbucker is split - even when I’m on one or more of the other single coils. So effectively in sss mode is when i get the bleed.
From Leo: Good demonstration. That guitar is really a great demo tool. I really like a treble bleed, but I am more subtle. I like a 390pf capacitor only with no resistor. Lots of ways to get there, it is the cheapest mod that does anything positive to the sound.
Wow a GREAT Explanation ! Thanks Phillip
I've been toying with this idea for a while now,...thanks for the clear, concise explanation PK!
After this, I'm totally putting a treble bleed in my Strat. Thanks for the video!
Well done Phil! Cheap, Easy and Worthy! Thanks for sharing brother!
Be Well All!
I absolutely LOVE that plug & play guitar!
It would be fun to see how different all of a certain players “signature” pickups sounded against each other. Like all of Satriani’s signature pickups, or Vai’s. Or any other player that has a bunch of “signature” pickups. Let’s see how much their “signature” sound has changed throughout the years due to pickup selection!
Don't forget Matt Pike sets from Lace if you cover this, please!
That has to be most versatile guitar i have ever seen
As always, informative and good value Phillip. Thanks mate! ✌️Putting one in my Tele asap.
This is fantastically useful!! Home run once again sir!
I mod my Mex Strat with treble bleed and Blender with the help from my friends.
I'm very happy with the result 👍👍👍
Outstanding video. You can really hear the difference. Just installed on my Jazzmaster, I really like it. I play at home at low volumes and this helps a great deal, especially since I wear hearing aids... Big problem for me. Will install on my other 20 guitars. Thanks again.
I loved the pickups quick hitch system...
that pup changer guitar I want one!
Great vid
this is completely off topic but the most amazing part about this video was the pickup hot swap!
My American Professional Strat comes with a treble bleed and I love it!
I've been on my own little pickup journey since middle of last year.
Keyztone Exchanger pedal has definitely been my guiding light.
It makes everything sound clear and provides great string definition.
I use it to A/B guitar pickups and see how much muddiness is in the stock one, compared to its keyztone counterpart.
Pickups like the field coil single coils from Supro, 1996 tex mex strat pickups, Gretsch Broad Tron pickups wired in parallel and fishman pickups survive the A/B comparison.
I like the clarity, because it helps identify when technique isn't its greatest and let's me build better arpeggiation into parts.
So far I've gone with classic core fishmans for my PAF (ESP LTD 1000T)
Fishman SSS strat pickups (Mim Strat)
Tosin Abasi replacing my PRS custom 24s 85/15s pickups.
I'm becoming a on trick pony with solving my pickup issues, where previously I'd do a lot of phase/parallel/split coil modifications.
Just feels like Fishman takes the guess work out with a consistently produced product that does the thing it says its going to do.
Which is the exact opposite experience I had chasing the "right" PAF sound.
This could not have been more perfectly timed. Getting ready to change the pickups out in one of my guitars, and I was curious about a treble bleed. Best explanation I found so far. Thank you very much, and now I will be making a removable one myself.
I would LOVE the wiring schematic for that guitar!!
That Lizzy Hale Explorer tho...
She calls it the “sexy biatch” and it was inspired by the Gretsch Whitw Falcon
Great and very detailed info on Treble Bleed… I’ve been mulling on putting them on my guitars. You explained a lot more than I was expecting. Thank you very much and decided to put it in my guitars. OMG!!! …that quick change guitar! Unbelievable! I want one of those for sure. Thanks for showing it off!!! Peace out, brother.
The bottom line is, if you don't have a treble bleed and you turn down, you can't add treble with your tone knob, but if you have the TB, you can turn down the tone knob for a darker sound. With it , you have the option, without it, you don't have the option. FYI, I have them on all 22 of my guitars.
Great! I added a treble bleed but found a different layout. Two resistors one out on one side acting as a lead, then another one in parallel like you did. I really like the results. Using it on a Tele style with two high out put humbuckers that split into single coils.
Yes you need it.
Dimarizo Super Distortion T. Seymour Duncan Jerry Donahue. Both are exceptional Tele Bridge pickups. Dimarzio SD T is surprisingly sweet sounding. .
That guitar is sooo cool! Learning a lot quickly.
Thanks so much for doing this, I was just asking myself this question!
Best video ive seen about the treeble bleed ever.
Mr Philip´s ideas and information always help´s a lot. Thank you very much Sir!
Great job with this Demo and explanation Phillip. Always enjoy your content my friend.
Nice job Phil!! My Ibanez JS1200CA (Satriani model) has a treble bleed and it's wired to a push/pull volume knob. It's the best of both worlds.
This video was wonderfully done Phill, really insightful! You should consider making a video regarding 50's wiring, as a lot os people have many questions regarding it's effects and how it compares to a treble bleed mod
Loving those changeable pickups! I've been using treble bleed/bypass circuits for 10 years. I believe the .001 has been standard on tele's for decades. But they get too bright with the volume below 4. That's why p.r.s. uses 180pf and Suhr uses 680. They aren't as bright
Treble bleeds I feel are best when playing though non master volume amps. I have a Marshall sv20 (mini version of a plexi) to get the best tone gotta set it so that it breaks up. And having a guitar with a treble bleed and when rolling back the volume, it gives the best clean tone. And roll it back up for that natural Marshall override.
Brillant coverage. Thank you!
Forget treble bleed...that guitar is the coolest thing...send it to me
the new buzz word in tone "Plumpier" 5:44
I just came here to write: #plumpier
You beat me to it by 9 months.
I've got a Nashville Tele and it's really pronounced when I back off the volume about 10%. I've wanted a treble bleed circuit on it. Thanks for posting the links.
Great video. Glad to see how it affects different style pickups
Great video as always you have helped me out big time!! Oh and that white explorer with the gold pick guard is awesome beautiful guitar.
I just bought a Kramer Pacer vintage and it had trouble bleeds on the volume for the bridge and the neck. Well let me first say the other pick up in that guitar which I don't like either of did not clean up well at all it stayed almost just as dirty at the lowest volume setting as it did wide open and I know you said that it did not boost anything but it sure sounded like the trouble was being boosted because it subtracted all the bass for me and it left all the trouble there making it sound is there the trouble we're being boosted I know theoretically it wasn't but the bass it took all of it away and the trouble was just so piercing it was terrible was the first thing I did was cut those treble bleed capacitors out of there. For the record that guitar comes with supposedly a jazz and a JB Seymour Duncan pickup in it, but I just read another reviewer say that it wasn't actually a real GB or jazz that there was some off-brand that were slightly cheaper with some similar specs, I'm not sure but either way I don't like them I love the more you pick ups and I've got a super distortion on the way to put in this guitar that doesn't work I'll use their return policy and the next pick I'm going to try as the Utopia after I saw Phil's reviews on those. They sounded great.
I do that mod on all my guitars. I make my own because the parts are so cheap in bulk. Try Brandonwound Pickups, I love the PAF humbuckers(low output) and the "Sally's" witch are a set of Strat style mid scooped pickups. High quality and period correct construction and his pickups are all I am buying since I tried them!
Excellent video, answered all my questions, and some I didn’t know I had
PRS replacement pots come with a 181pf cap on it. Smart.
Great way to demonstrate this concept. Thanks!!!
Amazing demo. Perfect work with switching the circuit in the pot. Thank you.
But now I know I prefer it without the treble bleed.
PS: Swapping those pickups just threw me off the chair.
Pretty cool. I did so this mod on my old Strat and I absolutely love it. Thank You for the video!
Phillip:
Excellent precise demo. Thank you as usual.
Excellent video. Blessings.
A Treble boost to tube amp is always best !!!!!........ Proof in the pudding on all major pre-1990 recordings !!!
Definitely put it on a bypass switch. In a live situation the more variation the better.
Great vid Phil, i didn't know that this mod made hotter pickups behave differently to low-output pickups. Thanks for letting us know.
You can get basically the same effect with a buffer first in your chain ( with an input impedance around 1M Ohm . I think most Boss pedals have a buffer . Works with my blues driver 👍
I dig it Phil!!! Thanks for the demo!!! Stay Safe man!!!
I'm a strat guy. I found the lack of trebble... troublesome, sometimes. But then, sometimes when I roll back the volume, I actually WANT that tone swap. I have a trebble bleed installed in one of my fave strats, but still... Like most things related to gear: it depends! But I really enjoyd your bypass solution. This I would try!
Great video! Thanks for the knowledge.
Love your videos, I’ve got a request for you! I’m doing several guitar mods right now, and on the subject of treble bleed, you can apparently wire the resistor and cap in series as opposed to in parallel. I’ve heard good things about this, you could maybe do a comparison or if you know the effect it has maybe mention it next time you discuss treble bleed. Rock on buddy🤘
Great information and demo. Thank you.
Slick. Cool video as always Phil. Rock on!
Thanks for all you do Phil
Hi phil I have treble bleeds in all my guitars.. cause I can pick up any of my Stratocasters and can tune them in tone and treble bleeds make them work at any volume it works good for my style clean..
Thanks great video
Show us the wiring for the cutoff switch. Thanks Phil.
Added several for friends and a couple of my own. Values of parts is not an absolute and a little experimentation is good, (especially between single coil and humbuckers). Don't know if it matters but, from some web searching, I always use dipped mica caps which are several dollars vs. fifty cents. Anyway... good mod and never took any back out. Never used a push/pull switch but good idea. PS... the mod has no effect when the volume is at maximim.
So useful! Thanks! awesome guitar for doing tests by the way!
You should check out the PMT V-Treb variabel treble bleed bypass circuit. Works great and you can dial it in as you like.
I put the 330pF cap back on my rg560 and i swear its brighter even on 10
Would’ve loved to see how this affects the SD Invader, Tom Delonge productions had a super high value treble bleed
Would love to see some Lambertones (tele types / humbuckers) pickups please! I’ve heard some excellent feedback from those in the worship guitar community and I’d like to purchase some but not sure if I’d find a similar sounding one here in the UK or they really are special enough to order from USA! Thanks Phil! This is a great series and resource!
I can’t live without a treble bleed!
I use the Dimarzio circuit 560pf capacitor and 330ohm resister ... got parts cheep on eBay .... have used this for years.
A W E S O M E !!! Tks for posting this video
I did something similar to this with one of my guitars and I found out I always turn the treble bleed off. Good to figure that out though!
It is like a presence boost...
Great topic! Thanks
3'26 ....ok , i need this 👍👍
Been playing guitar in high gain mostly and if I want to adjust my volume, or tone I go straight to my amp. My guitar tone/volume controls are all the way up. They are basically useless.
Hi Phil, I know this is an old video, but I hope you can respond. I need an appropriate treble bleed, but I can't afford to have someone install, and reinstall them over and over if they don't work right. I have a 2001 American Deluxe Stat. It came with early (sucky) Vintage Noiseless single coils. There was a treble bleed included. I have since upgraded my pickups to HSS (not noisless), with a coil split on the humbucker. Callahan Pickups that sound great. The single coil sound of the split humbucker sounds great, as does the humbucker mode. I asked the tech to put in a treble bleed, but he said there was already one he left in from the original design. Problem is that when I turn down the volume now, it not only keeps the treble, but it cuts the bass! So as I go down in volume it starts to sound like an AM radio. I don't know what type of treble bleed circuit might be more appropriate to put in, being that I go back and forth between split coil, and humbucker. As it is now I can't turn down without losing all my bass response. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for the great channel!
Thanks Philip Stay safe
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Might have to try this