The first clip was taken from "Liquid drum theater" DVD 2 The second clip was taken from Mangini's official Yt (Link • Mike Mangini Drum Cam ... ) Which one do you prefer and why?
We are watching one drummer in his youth, who is still establishing a name for himself and his band, playing the part he wrote. The other is a veteran, who has lots of accomplishments and accolades in his bag, playing the part someone else wrote. Before getting technical about drumming, very different phases of life and career already.
Mangini could've been in Dream Theater for 100 years and still every video showing him playing a DT song would have people saying Portnoy is better and the reason has nothing to do with drums. Portnoy is cooler. He has more flair and plays like a badass. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Agreed, and I'm also pretty sure Portnoy wasn't playing with a click as well (meaning he had a lot more freedom), Mangini played "by the book" as it was expected of him.
I’ve always been so impressed with how respectful Mike Mangini has been with all of Mike Portnoy’s drum tracks and patterns. He replicated them note for note from the beginning. To me that shows ultimate respect and talent and I will always be a Mangini fan. Yes Portnoy will always be DT and it will be incredible to see him back, but not without feeling for Mangini and always respecting his time with the band. Kudos Mike Mangini 🥰🤗💝
They wouldn't allow it to be different. If you watch the competition where they picked the replacement it is bright up several times. The songs feel a certain way and the fans have heard them many times.
@@RustyKnorr, now you have raised a great point there, Sir. I hadn't thought of that. Portnoy will have to be replicating Mangini's drum parts. Let's see how that pans out 🤘
It's probably nothing to do with the way they play but more likely to do with the sound of their kits, THAT'S what sounds more different, at least to me
Remember, Mangini is playing Portnoy's vocabulary. Every drummer has their own. It would be interesting to see Mangini's "take" using his own vocabulary.
@@brianmauk5126wtf? Haha Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Dream Theater never let him compose with all his knowledge. Just like he said he didn't have to do what Portnoy did.
Mangini for Dream Theater is kinda like Broderick with Megadeth. The one most technical player that really copy and paste every stroke very well with respect to the original players, but we know he is something else. Thanks for the years back, Mr. Mangini, really enjoy your approach and playing.
@@phuongdinh5836I tend to agree with you, Broderick has similar criticism from Megadeth fans as well AFAIK. Sounds and plays like a computer generated, no 'soul' in it. That's what we heard from Pro Portnoy against Mangini as well.
Broderick was the best guitar player Megadeth ever had and made the best albums with him in the band. I wish they kept him. Now he's wasting his talents for In Flames
he never stopped using mesa boogie amps and his ibanez tone is only sightly different than the ebmm because both have DiMarzio pickups. there's a slight variation though - air Norton and tone zone in his ibanez are slightly brighter. but his tone varied during the Ibanez years do I'm not sure there's such a thing as "Petrucci's Ibanez tone". you sure nostalgia isn't making you hear things?
@@cunjoz there is definitely a petrucci ibanez tone, Ibanez RG is a different guitar than the early EBMM JPs and certainly different from a neck through EBMM Majesty... RGs have a snappy attack and yes the DiMarzio pickups are a massive part of his rig, but listen to the early live records and you'll hear the "Ibanez sound."
@@t3hgir I'm not saying it's not different. but even when he was using the Ibanez his tone had massive variations. this sounds nothing like he sounded in Tokyo or even better, when they played peruvian skies with enter sandman even though this is the same year. here the tone is much fuller, with a defined low end and rich mids, and on that other live recording it's a bit more scooped and the low end is kinda fuzzy
Mangini is still an exceptional drummer but portnoys cymbal work is unreal - his cymbal work really shines on a couple song and this is one. Also portnoy is playing at a bit higher tempo. I’ve actually seen 6:00 live with mangini twice and he did an fantastic job both times - just pointing out a couple differences
Yep, I'm not much of a drummer but Portnoy has great skills at fills and cymbal work, meanwhile Mangini has great groove in the kick. Both are exceptional musicians but it's interesting to see those differences in approach.
now they use more fx, back tracks than the old days, so, click are necessary. Mangini was not to "important" TO DECIDE THIS KIND OF STUFF... Rudess things...@@GazozMaciniz
So much respect for Mangini. Imagine coming into a band where the shoes you had to fill were Portnoy's. No one could match Portnoy's skill and raw passion. Mangini nailed the last 13 years in DT tho, as well as we could have hoped. We all know Portnoy needed some time out of the band and in retrospect I wouldn't have picked anyone but Mangini to fill the role. Thanks Mike and bring on the next chapter of DT. Eagerly awaiting the new album. LET'S GO!
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. DT tried to convince Marco Minnemman without success. Marco could have elevated the band to another level with his creativity and endless technique. Watch the video about DT's drummer selection. Marco did not simply play without any effort and a lot of character but you also feel that for him the track he plays is just too easy. He is basically laughing and making fun constantly while playing.
I've always preferred Portnoy's version on this particular song, but the ease with which Mangini plays it all without straying from the click even a little bit is nothing short of awe inspiring.
I disagree, Mangini doesn't play half time shuffle, he play less notes and at slower tempo. Playing a Jeff Porcaro's shuffle is extremely difficult, you have to build hand muscle, have a feel of the groove and train a lot to get at Portnoy's speed.
@@phawxhunter Portnoy and Porcaro are two VERY different beasts, though both fantastic in their own rights. Also, I'm sure Mangini is able to play the half time shuffle with no problem. It's pretty basic as far as execution goes, and his technical skills are off the charts, so he should be able to play it in his sleep. Playing with the same feel as another drummer is another story, but that's not a requirement for being able to play a type of beat. Lastly, while Mangini does take out some of the 32nd notes here on the hi-hat compared to Portnoy, he's doing that by choice, not because he's unable to do them. He's one of the fastest drummers in history if you look through videos of him.
@@phawxhunter lol first of all "jeff porcaro's shuffle" is the purdie shuffle, and second while I guess its not a beginner groove its not particularly hard and its downright silly to say mangini cant play it
Mangini is an phenomenal drummer and can replicate all the songs with no issue Portnoy just has that feel and magic that cannot be replicated. Both are great but I’ll stick with Portnoy
@@josebuzani2066 Agreed. I haven’t spent much time on the reasons Portnoy left but I have to believe DT recognized he was irreplaceable and the group wouldn’t be the same without him. Some of the music they created honestly seemed impossible to have been put together by a group effort. When you have that kind of chemistry you’d think every effort would be made to maintain that gift.
@@flddoc2 he left because he wanted to take a break from touring and producing- spend time with family and what not. Rest of the band didn’t agree and I’m pretty sure that opened up for more internal issues they had their differences and he left, they kinda pushed them out He does have a good relationship with the band now except with James Lebrie
@@josebuzani2066 Have you heard specifically what his issue is with Labrie? He's the only one I've read Mike saying anything negative about. Sounds like he's cool with all the other guys in DT. I've even seen pics online of Mike and his family hanging out with John and his family.
Whoa.. Portnoy is really struggling rushing and destroying this song. No, he doesn’t wrote a single music note. Not a one. No wonder those DT guys slammed the door on his asssss.
Mangini plays like he's sight reading for the first time. His dynamics sound like a sample bank that only has like 2 or 3 samples for each instrument, soft, medium-loud, loud, and the velocity regions are like 0-10, 11-110, 111-127. His timing sounds like a 100% quantised programmed line before "humanize" techniques were invented. Obviously his technical facility is astonishing, but the sound... I'm not sure what is more unbelievable, that he's been in the band like a decade and still sounds so mechanical, or that so many people seem to like it. He seems like a nice guy too lol
the ever popular, "I know Mangini is better than Portnoy but I love Porky. What can I come up with to make it so Mangini isn't as god as Porkboy." Please.
@@mikeb598if you can't thell the obviously obvious points of the video then you're doing a great job to let everybody knows how clueless about musics especially drumming lmfao
@@scylla4342 Mangini was a teacher, Portnoy only a student. A drop out at that. Yep I know nothing about drums. Seen some of the best on the planet. Portnoy isn't one of them. Popular?? Of course.
No drummer can beat Mike Portnoy's stage presence. The way he move, attitude and everything is makes us sit and watch only him. After all these are his own tunes.. no one can replace his touch!
The major difference is that Mike Portnoy played his own written song. Mangini played it just because he has to 😁 Both of musicians are multi-talented and well-respected.
@L. Lazman yeah Mangini is so sloppy, he should get some drum lessons, maybe he should also find a band with more talented membersor make himself a better career...I swear to god youtube comments...
Is not like Mangini wrote the drum parts for any of these songs…. If he plays the same song as the original recording he will get criticized. If he tries to change some things about the original song he didn’t wrote, he will get criticized. Endless loop
Portnoy is wearing an in-ear monitor so good chance he's still playing with a click track. But I agree on your comments about his flow. Reminds me of what the drummer, Zoro used to say about having to "find the groove". The difference between a drum machine and a real drummer is the groove
At what point in time did it become so detrimental that a song can not speed up or slow down even 1 BPM? I get it when you’re in the studio because it can be a pain to line everything up when you’re recording but doing it live just seems so mechanical to me.
@@SafeInstinct he may can but what I really meant is that Enemy Inside drums are more advanced than anything from Portnoy era. I don't play drums, so, it's just an ignorant opinion.
If there's one thing I do miss, it's the organic live sound from back in those days. No click, just a raw live interpretation of really complicated music. After getting used to listening to live DT in the metronome era lately, it's actually hilarious watching Portnoy rip into 6:00 full speed ahead and watching Sheridian hanging on for dear life trying to keep up with MP
I think it helps portnoy’s version that you can hear the rest of the band. Mangini sounds like the video cut off before it goes back to the beginning and he teaches you how to play like portnoy.
Why always make a competition I don't understand. Both drummers are outstanding in their own way. I am 64 years old now and I can only dream to play like these guys. Anyway Mike Portnoy is more explosive. Mangine more soft fluid in his playing. Both have their own personality so to speak. Why to be the best drummer in the world...have fun and enjoy playing is most important. 😉👍👍
👍👍👍 About time- COMMON SENSE! Well said. Why oh why, 12 years on, does there still have to be a debate? MOVE ON PEOPLE, and let it go!!!! They’re both brilliant players, and both very different.
@@Alienxfb It’s not the musicians competing though. It’s the fans perpetuating this ridiculous comparison for 12 years!!!! Kevin Moore was allowed to move on, and Jordan Rudess doesn’t get hammered for not having the right “feel”. People need to let this go!
@@Alienxfb I agree. Very true! I’m not talking about musicians competing however, and this thread isn’t about that. This thread, like so many others, is nothing to do with musicians competing. It’s about some fans comparing MP and MM. MP and MM are simply doing their own thing, and selling their own brands. They really don’t need fans marking them out of 10 12 years on.
Perfect example of what a band playing to a click track sounds like vs not. Personally, I prefer performances without one. It makes the listening experience unique from the album version. Also, in a live context I view the drummer as being in charge of the tempo. If the drummer thinks ramping up the tempo for a section of the song is appropriate then that's their call., as long as they communicate that effectively to the rest of the band.
@@scylla4342 That's true, for all of Mangini's technical brilliance, his dynamics while playing with DT were usually very flat. I have no doubt he has the ability to play more dynamically but for some reason he chose not to.
Portnoy's musicality is all you need to know here. Never been about technique, his power comes from his ability to feel each single note and be able to serve the song even when it is about odd times or busy fills.
What do you mean “musicality?“ He’s a drummer and his timing sucks. His creative ideas are very great. But the band struggles to play with him and that’s not a great drummer.
@@jaym6906 I mean exactly that: you don't need to be always and exactly on the grid to sound great. The notion "playing in the pocket" for example pictures a drummer who is able to play a slightly delayed backbeat creating a great feel whatsoever. Portnoy may not be the most on time drummer on earth, but he definitely knows how to deliver the groove and follow the flow without sounding completely out of the grid
@@nathandrums0 Yes, unfortunately for your snootiness I have been playing for more than 20 years, have been fortunate enough to have excellent teachers in Italy, and am aware of how the expression "playing in the pocket" refers to a complete package of timing, groove, musicality, listening skills and precision, as well as the ability to stay inside the piece and play with other musicians with absolute fluidity. That said, I believe that Portnoy's cannot be considered 100 percent pocket drumming, but that he as a drummer has the fundamental characteristics necessary to come across as musical and attuned to the band in every performance. Timing has betrayed him at times, but as one of my early teachers used to say, "Being aware of being ahead or behind and using it in favor of the groove is a virtue, not a flaw."
The FII iteration of the band was really pretty underrated in DT lore. It's a Portnoy part, he wrote it, he owns it and plays it with a certain sense of "isn't this cool?". Mangini plays it more like "I hope the fans don't bitch if I mess it up".
And they bitch anyway, like the Modern Drummer festival video there’s a full on thread of people talking about Mangini’s hair ( that he was growing out). Both are exceptional drummers with vastly different personalities and playing styles, they both have a mutual respect for one another, and are both happy in their current bands.
@@Staplez440 DT as with most bands that did/do Prog and made it have fans that are more or less hypnotized for a period that the band they like has to be a certain way or it's... bad. Sometimes it's true, sometimes its BS. But it happens like clockwork.
I don't think that mangini is worrying about screwing up. LoL. No I would say an expression I heard before and it goes something like this, " the guy,s wearing his own clothes" meaning he is not there to be a carbon copy of Portnoy. People will always nit picking, but Mangini is there to stay, and that's the line up, that's it. Like you said those are Portnoy,s parts. It would be interesting to hear Portnoy playing Mangini,s parts, but it won't happen, at least I don't think so. LoL
@@pascaldeslongchampsmoncton1490 Portnoy will be the drummer again in DT before the thing is said and done. That's my prediction on that. (I'm also a decade or more removed from having much passion behind the issue, it's just my read on how this stuff plays out).
@@colinburroughs9871 you maybe right, but even if something happens to Mangini I don't see the band going back, unless for a few special events, like the r n r hall of Fame accepting speech and performance. LoL, no I am joking. No I think Labrie and the bass player, I forgot his name, were not getting along with Portnoy either. So, do you want the risk of reactivate old anemosities or just prefer moving along?
Both are rock drummers at amongst highest levels, specializing on experimental rock, with Portnoy focusing more on 'feel' and 'instinct', and Mangini focusing more on 'theory' and 'precision'
@@michaelharrisson1683 Mangini is far more technical and precise than Portnoy was. Not even close, really. Was Portnoy more musical or did he seem to have a better feel that attracted people to his playing? Sure, I can buy that. His cymbal work is fantastic. But Mangini's chops are far superior.
It is quite far simply (simplier? More simply?) to explain and expose as an argument (spoiler: I have met personally both Mike Portnoy and Mike Mangini, chatting and exchanging ideas about music with them). Mike Mangini absolutely has a perfect control and technique. An extremely superb awesome drummer and teacher. Perfection. A pure virtuoso, remarking that he respects Mike Portnoy recognising the talent and innovative ideas that Mike Portnoy supplied/shared/contributed to),however...who was the original composer or the very first one who/which 🤔 thought and developed that rhythm patterns and sequences? If you watch and listen carefully to the Mike Portnoy performance you can feel and taste and breath the musical line which is maintaining a dialogue, connecting with the other musical instruments and ideas 💡 and it sounds like it was though, created and recorded. I am not discussing the power and God like status of Mangini... but 6.00 is a masterpiece at its own and nobody can beat the original atmosphere and magic caught at the studio and on stage. There is a lot of differences (attitude, age, energy, tone, timbre, moment...feeling...) probably my favourite DT track. 😍 but it is my opinion (and I am a Mangini fan).
You have to seriously be joking. “Feel” what a freaking lame excuse Portnoy rushes he’s out of time and it makes it harder for the band to play consistently.
So your argument is that Portnoy has a better feel for the piece of music he wrote? Shocking conclusion to arrive at. The fact that Portnoy wrote the parts gives him the edge, but we would say the exact same thing if Portnoy was playing parts Mangini wrote. It's so dumb to do this.
To me, Mangini is more of an "academic" wonderchild. He sounds like an aced graduate with the highest degree in music awarded by universities and conservatories... He's really, really good. Portnoy to me is just... a guy who doesn't sound that educated... he just has this natural feel and oozes groove. Yeah, it's Portnoy for me. However, I think that DT chose wisely for Mangini as Portnoy's successor. Saw Mangini perform live with them this year and it was pretty good. A bit clinical... but still, very good.
It also has to be said that classic DT had that funky edge as a whole, not just Portnoy. They lost it somewhere along the way and that's kind of when I lost interest too.
Nor will they. It’s like Tool trying to replace Danny Carey. I just can’t imagine they wouldn’t do whatever is necessary to keep someone who is simply irreplaceable. Hard to imagine they didn’t see that.
@@drums4lyfe0987 Mangini was chosen for his ability to sit in the Portnoy pocket. If DT can barely handle Mangini's little deviation from regular time in the "Finally Free" outro, how are they gonna handle freaks like Donati, who's drum parts are barely recognisable as music. Mangini is that palatable middle ground. You can hear in Alien, A view from the Top of the world, awaken the master, pale blue dot, that they are starting to head into that complicated and ethereal rhythmic stuff.
The fact that some people state their preferences but no one in the comments throw s*it at either of them states the obvious that both Mikes are phenomenal drummers and are heavily respected and loved. ❤
Both of these drummers inspired me to get my first drum set at 36 lol, they are both exceptional drummers. Portnoy's technique and feels will be better, Mangini skill will always be unmatched but he doesn't have the portnoy personality.
Why would he have the Portnoy personality, he is his own person, that's probably why he is in the band. I saw Portnoy twice with DT and once in a clinic, I saw Mangini twice in clinic but unfortunately never live. And I had the feel that Mangini had the ability to explain everything, very clearly, about his technic, his creative process, or what he was playing, when with Portnoy it was much more vague, or should I say esoteric, like " you have to be me to get there" not in a pretensious way, but not able to clearly explain thing. As a drums teacher I like to have the whole story behind something you know. Anyway I think they are both great, different, but great, it's a matter of preference, and not comparison.
It's apples and oranges....I seen a clinic in st.louis and the bar in July had no A/C that day..Mike didn't say a word about it....best clinic I've ever seen...
MP came up with the idea for the intro and the piece itself. MM simply can replicate it. Once again, MP is the creative entity here, not the other percussoid.
Portnoy has that raw energy that makes his drums sound very interesting, while Mangini has insane precision and timing which makes it not as enjoyable, but must be very convenient and reliable for live and studio work (not saying Portnoy doesn't slay in in studio of course)
Portnoy will always be the OG, but watching mangini switch from leading with his left foot/hand and switching to a right lead at the drop of a dime is mind blowing
Portnoy has groove and flow, the music infects him. Mangini has complete precision. I saw him live earlier this year and was baffled. Man was doing double bass and high hat barks on the same foot with swivel technic.... so either drummer wins In my book. Portnoy is organic
Mangini and Portnoy are amazing! I'm sorry that I got so sick. My doctors overdosed me on Thyroid medication. I went crazy. Collecting disability now. Getting sick, blows...would I be less of a man to say that I love Dream Theater? DT...I'm sorry that I got sick. You guys just keep doing what you do. I know...its getting harder. But I admire all of you just the same.... I remember working at the Chic-Fil-A near Quakertown. I saw Mike Portnoy. I said...HEY! He said hello! Enough for me. Being near a legend! Daddy Gordo
Also, for a guy who supposedly excels at single hand speed.. I'm SUPER surprised Mangini is using 2 hands for the HH pattern at the intro. He also missed the 32nd notes on the HH in the measure just before the 6/8 time kicks in.
There is something about mike mangini that even if I comapare him to other drummers such as those who play DT drum covers, he still sounds like a drum machine than those guys.
I have seen DT with MP and 3 times MM. Mangini has created alien-like parts on the last 5 albums vs the groove MP did on 6:00. Now you should be concerned about how MP will play any of it. Cheers to both of them and all of you!!🍻
Mangini's limb independence is light years ahead of Portnoy's, it's funny that not one drummer in the comments can even put that in the equation. I Iike Portnoy but he is mostly a single stroke drummer like Neil Peart was. Neil started working on that later in his career. Limb independence is what makes a drummer great but not popular. Peace
Assolutamente! Mangini tecnicamente è su un altro livello e non ci piove, è un batterista incredibile e pagherei oro per essere un quarto del quarto del batterista che è, però Portnoy ha un gusto e un tiro che Mangini se lo sogna e per me è oggettivo! Che figata la musica.
non so perché la gente pensa che se un batterista è tecnico = è un robot senza feel, se un batterista è più impreciso = umano con più feel. Non funziona così. Mangini ha un sacco di feel, basta con ste cazzate che è un robot e che suona senza emozione...
It's THE KIT. There's something about the sound of Mangini's snare and cymbals that just feels "off", tuning maybe? I don't know, but Portnoy's drums have a sort of OOMPH, they sound far more "bassy", and it helps creating a more groovy sound.
DT's sound has obviously evolved over time and personally, I much prefer their newer, more industrial sound as compared to their older one. Portnoy obviously fits the older sound but I much prefer DT's newer sound with Mangini. People like to complain about him being way too precise but I think that it fits DT better. Also, people should realize that sloppy playing /= playing with feel. Mangini's got plenty of feel. Here are some good examples: The bass solo section from The Looking Glass, some of the softer sections from Distance over Time, Intro from Fall Into the Light, Guitar solo sections from The Alien...and so on.
Well I, as almost every DT fan, am passionate for Portnoy, but guys… listen to this kick drums, is so sensible, it feels like it has a cushion.. but it’s only Mangini technique. This men needs to be respected
It always weird seeing another drummer play stuff you wrote. This is why I always hated replacing drummers. Mangini is one of my al time favorite drummers, and he nails the part. Mike Portnoy created the part, with all of his sonic fingerprints shining through. That is what's just about impossible to duplicate. Conversely, it would be the same should Portnoy ever play on something Mangini wrote. Look at Fates Warning, Portnoy was playing parts written by the great Mark Zonder. No one is going to replicate Zonder faithfully, but Portnoy did a great job interpreting. The point is that (aside from situations like Rush and Styx, etc) usually the original drummer who composed and/or performed the recorded material is where my interest lies.
I loved Mike's version.
Indeed Mike is the best 🤓
@@Dr.Fumancha definitely brother.
そりゃオリジナルだからな
no, i think Mike was better.
@@beagle1976 naaaah. Mike was dope.
We are watching one drummer in his youth, who is still establishing a name for himself and his band, playing the part he wrote. The other is a veteran, who has lots of accomplishments and accolades in his bag, playing the part someone else wrote. Before getting technical about drumming, very different phases of life and career already.
Precisely. Very different roles and purposes within the band as well, Mangini's exit statement is very clear on that.
Also Portnoy video has a full mix with a band.
Mangini shot is from the drumcam only
Was thinking the same... This is a very reasonable take. Of course Portnoys is better... But that is not to take anything away from Mangaini...
Mangini could've been in Dream Theater for 100 years and still every video showing him playing a DT song would have people saying Portnoy is better and the reason has nothing to do with drums. Portnoy is cooler. He has more flair and plays like a badass. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Agreed, and I'm also pretty sure Portnoy wasn't playing with a click as well (meaning he had a lot more freedom), Mangini played "by the book" as it was expected of him.
I’ve always been so impressed with how respectful Mike Mangini has been with all of Mike Portnoy’s drum tracks and patterns. He replicated them note for note from the beginning. To me that shows ultimate respect and talent and I will always be a Mangini fan. Yes Portnoy will always be DT and it will be incredible to see him back, but not without feeling for Mangini and always respecting his time with the band. Kudos Mike Mangini 🥰🤗💝
They wouldn't allow it to be different. If you watch the competition where they picked the replacement it is bright up several times. The songs feel a certain way and the fans have heard them many times.
Very well said! 🎉
I could not have said it better
Can’t wait to see Portboy trying to do the same with MM parts. Except he can’t. 🤣
@@RustyKnorr, now you have raised a great point there, Sir. I hadn't thought of that. Portnoy will have to be replicating Mangini's drum parts. Let's see how that pans out 🤘
Portnoy has funky soul .
Mangini is more mechanical .
Both better than I will ever be .
Love you both .
Rock on my drumming brothers !
It's probably nothing to do with the way they play but more likely to do with the sound of their kits, THAT'S what sounds more different, at least to me
Portnoy is Neil Peart but Metal
I feel like the second had a metronome keeping time
Nah, I don't like Mangini a little bit. I'm not a Portnoy's big fan... but as a musician, is so far away.
I like mechanical.
Remember, Mangini is playing Portnoy's vocabulary. Every drummer has their own. It would be interesting to see Mangini's "take" using his own vocabulary.
Portnoy is the Viking warrior, engaged in battle. Mangini is the schooled professor using a click track to keep perfect time.
@@brianmauk5126 To be fair, I don't think it was down to Mangini to use a click track.
@@brianmauk5126wtf? Haha Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Dream Theater never let him compose with all his knowledge. Just like he said he didn't have to do what Portnoy did.
@@joeldavidmunozperez6550 Mangini is a beast, way above portnoy in skill
@@joeldavidmunozperez6550saying that in this very video proves you knows nothing about drums and musics lmfao
The first has the groove,the second has the bionic rythm
the first has the groove, the second has the groove. Stop bitching
@@lucacutillidrums i'm not bitching, i love all the two
Fuck man. I'm 53yo been drumming since I was 12 I've never heard a better description of comparison.
+1
We're hearing the meter and not hearing the instruments, of course it's going to sound like that but trust me, does sound very good in a concert
Mangini for Dream Theater is kinda like Broderick with Megadeth. The one most technical player that really copy and paste every stroke very well with respect to the original players, but we know he is something else. Thanks for the years back, Mr. Mangini, really enjoy your approach and playing.
Technical doesn't always mean good. Broderick is my least favorite Megadeth guitarist.
@@phuongdinh5836I tend to agree with you, Broderick has similar criticism from Megadeth fans as well AFAIK. Sounds and plays like a computer generated, no 'soul' in it. That's what we heard from Pro Portnoy against Mangini as well.
surely magini is far from being the most technical. Lang takes the crown by far. @@cpamiseso
Broderick was the best guitar player Megadeth ever had and made the best albums with him in the band. I wish they kept him. Now he's wasting his talents for In Flames
@@marinhrabric6162true
Just give me Petrucci Ibanez & Mesa Boogie tone again
Thank you!
hahaha true dude... very true
he never stopped using mesa boogie amps and his ibanez tone is only sightly different than the ebmm because both have DiMarzio pickups. there's a slight variation though - air Norton and tone zone in his ibanez are slightly brighter.
but his tone varied during the Ibanez years do I'm not sure there's such a thing as "Petrucci's Ibanez tone". you sure nostalgia isn't making you hear things?
@@cunjoz there is definitely a petrucci ibanez tone, Ibanez RG is a different guitar than the early EBMM JPs and certainly different from a neck through EBMM Majesty... RGs have a snappy attack and yes the DiMarzio pickups are a massive part of his rig, but listen to the early live records and you'll hear the "Ibanez sound."
@@t3hgir I'm not saying it's not different. but even when he was using the Ibanez his tone had massive variations. this sounds nothing like he sounded in Tokyo or even better, when they played peruvian skies with enter sandman even though this is the same year.
here the tone is much fuller, with a defined low end and rich mids, and on that other live recording it's a bit more scooped and the low end is kinda fuzzy
Mangini is still an exceptional drummer but portnoys cymbal work is unreal - his cymbal work really shines on a couple song and this is one. Also portnoy is playing at a bit higher tempo. I’ve actually seen 6:00 live with mangini twice and he did an fantastic job both times - just pointing out a couple differences
Yep, I'm not much of a drummer but Portnoy has great skills at fills and cymbal work, meanwhile Mangini has great groove in the kick. Both are exceptional musicians but it's interesting to see those differences in approach.
After Mangini joined the band everthing runs with the click track. back in the day they don't use it. So tempo was defined how Portnoy felt.
Couldn't agree more. Portnoy's ride, hi-hat, splash accents on 'These Walls' are stellar. One of my favorite DT songs for this reason alone.
now they use more fx, back tracks than the old days, so, click are necessary. Mangini was not to "important" TO DECIDE THIS KIND OF STUFF... Rudess things...@@GazozMaciniz
So much respect for Mangini. Imagine coming into a band where the shoes you had to fill were Portnoy's. No one could match Portnoy's skill and raw passion. Mangini nailed the last 13 years in DT tho, as well as we could have hoped. We all know Portnoy needed some time out of the band and in retrospect I wouldn't have picked anyone but Mangini to fill the role. Thanks Mike and bring on the next chapter of DT. Eagerly awaiting the new album. LET'S GO!
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. DT tried to convince Marco Minnemman without success. Marco could have elevated the band to another level with his creativity and endless technique. Watch the video about DT's drummer selection. Marco did not simply play without any effort and a lot of character but you also feel that for him the track he plays is just too easy. He is basically laughing and making fun constantly while playing.
I've always preferred Portnoy's version on this particular song, but the ease with which Mangini plays it all without straying from the click even a little bit is nothing short of awe inspiring.
I disagree, Mangini doesn't play half time shuffle, he play less notes and at slower tempo. Playing a Jeff Porcaro's shuffle is extremely difficult, you have to build hand muscle, have a feel of the groove and train a lot to get at Portnoy's speed.
@@phawxhunter Portnoy and Porcaro are two VERY different beasts, though both fantastic in their own rights. Also, I'm sure Mangini is able to play the half time shuffle with no problem. It's pretty basic as far as execution goes, and his technical skills are off the charts, so he should be able to play it in his sleep. Playing with the same feel as another drummer is another story, but that's not a requirement for being able to play a type of beat. Lastly, while Mangini does take out some of the 32nd notes here on the hi-hat compared to Portnoy, he's doing that by choice, not because he's unable to do them. He's one of the fastest drummers in history if you look through videos of him.
I agree
@@phawxhunter lol first of all "jeff porcaro's shuffle" is the purdie shuffle, and second while I guess its not a beginner groove its not particularly hard and its downright silly to say mangini cant play it
@@phawxhunter
that's the most bastardized half time shuffle in history. Lol.
Hint: it ain't a shuffle.
Mangini is an phenomenal drummer and can replicate all the songs with no issue
Portnoy just has that feel and magic that cannot be replicated.
Both are great but I’ll stick with Portnoy
A great drummer can replicate anything someone else has already done. A legendary drummer is the one who thinks of it and applies it effortlessly.
@@flddoc2 exactly what portnoy did with DT
@@josebuzani2066 Agreed. I haven’t spent much time on the reasons Portnoy left but I have to believe DT recognized he was irreplaceable and the group wouldn’t be the same without him. Some of the music they created honestly seemed impossible to have been put together by a group effort. When you have that kind of chemistry you’d think every effort would be made to maintain that gift.
@@flddoc2 he left because he wanted to take a break from touring and producing- spend time with family and what not. Rest of the band didn’t agree and I’m pretty sure that opened up for more internal issues they had their differences and he left, they kinda pushed them out
He does have a good relationship with the band now except with James Lebrie
@@josebuzani2066 Have you heard specifically what his issue is with Labrie? He's the only one I've read Mike saying anything negative about. Sounds like he's cool with all the other guys in DT. I've even seen pics online of Mike and his family hanging out with John and his family.
Mangini is like the drummer for Dream Theater at 5 o clock and had to teach percussion major students at 6 o clock
Yeah but what about the Christmas morning?
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk....The BEST comment!!!
@@dima.jiharev kkkkkkkk...JUST THAT DAY!!!😴😴😴😪😪
Whoa.. Portnoy is really struggling rushing and destroying this song. No, he doesn’t wrote a single music note. Not a one. No wonder those DT guys slammed the door on his asssss.
@@jaym6906 and what happened next???
Mangini plays like he's sight reading for the first time. His dynamics sound like a sample bank that only has like 2 or 3 samples for each instrument, soft, medium-loud, loud, and the velocity regions are like 0-10, 11-110, 111-127. His timing sounds like a 100% quantised programmed line before "humanize" techniques were invented. Obviously his technical facility is astonishing, but the sound... I'm not sure what is more unbelievable, that he's been in the band like a decade and still sounds so mechanical, or that so many people seem to like it. He seems like a nice guy too lol
great comment
the ever popular, "I know Mangini is better than Portnoy but I love Porky. What can I come up with to make it so Mangini isn't as god as Porkboy." Please.
@@mikeb598if you can't thell the obviously obvious points of the video then you're doing a great job to let everybody knows how clueless about musics especially drumming lmfao
@@scylla4342 Mangini was a teacher, Portnoy only a student. A drop out at that. Yep I know nothing about drums. Seen some of the best on the planet. Portnoy isn't one of them. Popular?? Of course.
No drummer can beat Mike Portnoy's stage presence. The way he move, attitude and everything is makes us sit and watch only him. After all these are his own tunes.. no one can replace his touch!
👍👍
That is it man but no all can see
But he left the band so....
Yes, hit your head is amazing. 😂
hello from the future, mike is back!
The major difference is that Mike Portnoy played his own written song. Mangini played it just because he has to 😁
Both of musicians are multi-talented and well-respected.
@L. Lazman yeah Mangini is so sloppy, he should get some drum lessons, maybe he should also find a band with more talented membersor make himself a better career...I swear to god youtube comments...
@L. Lazman im sure you can do it better Berklee teacher…. Oh wait…
@L. Lazman my guy you have never touch an instrument in your life lmao stfo
@@Lazman2634 stop being some elitist prick buddy
Yeah imagine having to come in and sing LaBrie's vocal lines... that's basically what Mangini was asked to do, and he did it extremely well.
Both great drummers, Portnoy is flowing with a band and Mangini is following a click track.
Interesting comment; Got me thinking. Maybe trying to be soo perfect is to sacrifice one o two good grooves from the heart
@@rubenfe91 exactly!
Is not like Mangini wrote the drum parts for any of these songs….
If he plays the same song as the original recording he will get criticized. If he tries to change some things about the original song he didn’t wrote, he will get criticized.
Endless loop
Portnoy is wearing an in-ear monitor so good chance he's still playing with a click track.
But I agree on your comments about his flow. Reminds me of what the drummer, Zoro used to say about having to "find the groove". The difference between a drum machine and a real drummer is the groove
At what point in time did it become so detrimental that a song can not speed up or slow down even 1 BPM? I get it when you’re in the studio because it can be a pain to line everything up when you’re recording but doing it live just seems so mechanical to me.
Wow, their 90's sounds so clear, so much clarity.
And the soundscape created by Kevin Moore long forgotten by the DT members and most of the fan base (which is more than disrespectful - it is crazy).
woooow, mike is awesome..
can‘t get enough of mike‘s drumming 😂
Portnoy playing it like he means it. Mangini playing it like he has to
Portnoy playing it like he loves it. Mangini playing like he's paid to.
@@sarcasticguy4311
If that's the case, then I'd love Mangini for that 😆
@@norpriest521 Well, to each their own.
Portnoy playing it like he wrote it. Mangini playing it like he's covering it to a click track
We call it "Groove".
Portnoy´s era at DT and Mangini´s at Vai. All I have to say.
YES.
This
Top comment. When it’s YOUR music, it’s going to feel natural and it shows.
I'd like to see Portnoy playing The Enemy Inside or any other Mangini's own work in Dream Theater. The debate would end there for many.
We’ll see, portnoy is back
@@ahmadsyahmi1461 and something tells me the band is not going to play material from Mangini era
Uh oh. I hope they’ll play it. I am so curious esp Pale Blue Dot portnoy version.
I think you may be very right about that - Personally, I doubt that Portnoy is capable of playing Mangini's tage on Enemy Inside.
@@SafeInstinct he may can but what I really meant is that Enemy Inside drums are more advanced than anything from Portnoy era. I don't play drums, so, it's just an ignorant opinion.
these two guys are amazing drummers, golden spot for themband work
Portnoy for me hands down! You can feel his energy and rhythm. Makes you want to be part of the show. Awesome musician.
Both are amazing drummers with unique styles.
Yes but Mike is clearly better
@@michaelespinosa9168 portnoy u say
@@giovaniksomer
You don't get the joke
Now get out
@@michaelespinosa9168 good choice, but I think mike is much better.
@@norpriest521damn, that has to be the first time I’ve ever heard that joke. Omg, you’re so clever!
If there's one thing I do miss, it's the organic live sound from back in those days. No click, just a raw live interpretation of really complicated music.
After getting used to listening to live DT in the metronome era lately, it's actually hilarious watching Portnoy rip into 6:00 full speed ahead and watching Sheridian hanging on for dear life trying to keep up with MP
Portnoy talla extensively shit using click tracks during Octavarium
😂
Mangini é técnico demais. O cara é uma máquina👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Portnoy é essa maravilha que já conhecemos. Dois excelentes bateristas/músicos.
Portnoy wrote the part. That’s where the genius is.
@L. Lazman sloppy? Lmao
Both unbelievable drummers, but for me Portnoy adds that little extra feel.
Ambas interpretaciones son magníficas, cada uno en su estilo y manera de ejecutar la canción.
I think it helps portnoy’s version that you can hear the rest of the band. Mangini sounds like the video cut off before it goes back to the beginning and he teaches you how to play like portnoy.
Now that Mike’s back in Dream Theater, we may see him perform this gem again.
Why always make a competition I don't understand. Both drummers are outstanding in their own way. I am 64 years old now and I can only dream to play like these guys. Anyway Mike Portnoy is more explosive. Mangine more soft fluid in his playing. Both have their own personality so to speak. Why to be the best drummer in the world...have fun and enjoy playing is most important. 😉👍👍
Exactly!!
👍👍👍 About time- COMMON SENSE! Well said. Why oh why, 12 years on, does there still have to be a debate? MOVE ON PEOPLE, and let it go!!!! They’re both brilliant players, and both very different.
Because this channel has nothing better to do.
@@Alienxfb It’s not the musicians competing though. It’s the fans perpetuating this ridiculous comparison for 12 years!!!! Kevin Moore was allowed to move on, and Jordan Rudess doesn’t get hammered for not having the right “feel”. People need to let this go!
@@Alienxfb I agree. Very true! I’m not talking about musicians competing however, and this thread isn’t about that. This thread, like so many others, is nothing to do with musicians competing. It’s about some fans comparing MP and MM. MP and MM are simply doing their own thing, and selling their own brands. They really don’t need fans marking them out of 10 12 years on.
so happy he´s back
Perfect example of what a band playing to a click track sounds like vs not. Personally, I prefer performances without one. It makes the listening experience unique from the album version. Also, in a live context I view the drummer as being in charge of the tempo. If the drummer thinks ramping up the tempo for a section of the song is appropriate then that's their call., as long as they communicate that effectively to the rest of the band.
Click isn't the problem. Mangini has none of the dynamics. He hits everything with flat power, Portnoy gave some more and some other less
@@scylla4342 That's true, for all of Mangini's technical brilliance, his dynamics while playing with DT were usually very flat. I have no doubt he has the ability to play more dynamically but for some reason he chose not to.
For Mangini IS exercice, for Portnoy is a song
Portnoy's musicality is all you need to know here. Never been about technique, his power comes from his ability to feel each single note and be able to serve the song even when it is about odd times or busy fills.
What do you mean “musicality?“ He’s a drummer and his timing sucks. His creative ideas are very great. But the band struggles to play with him and that’s not a great drummer.
@@jaym6906Well, maybe not. Playing precisely in tempo could be good, could be not. It depends.
@@jaym6906 I mean exactly that: you don't need to be always and exactly on the grid to sound great. The notion "playing in the pocket" for example pictures a drummer who is able to play a slightly delayed backbeat creating a great feel whatsoever. Portnoy may not be the most on time drummer on earth, but he definitely knows how to deliver the groove and follow the flow without sounding completely out of the grid
@@Utcheeow playing in the pocket is NOT playing a slightly delayed beat. Do you even play drums?
@@nathandrums0 Yes, unfortunately for your snootiness I have been playing for more than 20 years, have been fortunate enough to have excellent teachers in Italy, and am aware of how the expression "playing in the pocket" refers to a complete package of timing, groove, musicality, listening skills and precision, as well as the ability to stay inside the piece and play with other musicians with absolute fluidity. That said, I believe that Portnoy's cannot be considered 100 percent pocket drumming, but that he as a drummer has the fundamental characteristics necessary to come across as musical and attuned to the band in every performance. Timing has betrayed him at times, but as one of my early teachers used to say, "Being aware of being ahead or behind and using it in favor of the groove is a virtue, not a flaw."
I feel blessed to have witnessed both in my time. I prefer DT Portnoy albums but also enjoy Mangini.
The FII iteration of the band was really pretty underrated in DT lore. It's a Portnoy part, he wrote it, he owns it and plays it with a certain sense of "isn't this cool?". Mangini plays it more like "I hope the fans don't bitch if I mess it up".
And they bitch anyway, like the Modern Drummer festival video there’s a full on thread of people talking about Mangini’s hair ( that he was growing out). Both are exceptional drummers with vastly different personalities and playing styles, they both have a mutual respect for one another, and are both happy in their current bands.
@@Staplez440 DT as with most bands that did/do Prog and made it have fans that are more or less hypnotized for a period that the band they like has to be a certain way or it's... bad. Sometimes it's true, sometimes its BS. But it happens like clockwork.
I don't think that mangini is worrying about screwing up. LoL. No I would say an expression I heard before and it goes something like this, " the guy,s wearing his own clothes" meaning he is not there to be a carbon copy of Portnoy. People will always nit picking, but Mangini is there to stay, and that's the line up, that's it. Like you said those are Portnoy,s parts. It would be interesting to hear Portnoy playing Mangini,s parts, but it won't happen, at least I don't think so. LoL
@@pascaldeslongchampsmoncton1490 Portnoy will be the drummer again in DT before the thing is said and done. That's my prediction on that. (I'm also a decade or more removed from having much passion behind the issue, it's just my read on how this stuff plays out).
@@colinburroughs9871 you maybe right, but even if something happens to Mangini I don't see the band going back, unless for a few special events, like the r n r hall of Fame accepting speech and performance. LoL, no I am joking. No I think Labrie and the bass player, I forgot his name, were not getting along with Portnoy either. So, do you want the risk of reactivate old anemosities or just prefer moving along?
They are both so good. I don't know if you can do a versus between these two men. Both are equally good, just different players.
Both are rock drummers at amongst highest levels, specializing on experimental rock, with Portnoy focusing more on 'feel' and 'instinct', and Mangini focusing more on 'theory' and 'precision'
Portnoy is precision.
@@michaelharrisson1683 Not remotely as precise as Mangini is.
@@ctye85 umm don't mistake overplaying, trying to hard busyness for precision.
@@michaelharrisson1683 Mangini is far more technical and precise than Portnoy was. Not even close, really.
Was Portnoy more musical or did he seem to have a better feel that attracted people to his playing? Sure, I can buy that. His cymbal work is fantastic.
But Mangini's chops are far superior.
La differenza e' che uno sta suonando cio' che ha immaginato, creato e scritto...l'altro e' "solamente" un meraviglioso esecutore in questo caso
Two sides of a coin of the same value...incredible musicians both.
Nah... Magini sucks... Grow a pair
@@michaelharrisson1683 Ciao Michael, I will do it...😀
These videos are fun to see side by side but every time there's no debate. Portnoy's feel and musicality is just lightyears better.
It is quite far simply (simplier? More simply?) to explain and expose as an argument (spoiler: I have met personally both Mike Portnoy and Mike Mangini, chatting and exchanging ideas about music with them). Mike Mangini absolutely has a perfect control and technique. An extremely superb awesome drummer and teacher. Perfection. A pure virtuoso, remarking that he respects Mike Portnoy recognising the talent and innovative ideas that Mike Portnoy supplied/shared/contributed to),however...who was the original composer or the very first one who/which 🤔 thought and developed that rhythm patterns and sequences? If you watch and listen carefully to the Mike Portnoy performance you can feel and taste and breath the musical line which is maintaining a dialogue, connecting with the other musical instruments and ideas 💡 and it sounds like it was though, created and recorded. I am not discussing the power and God like status of Mangini... but 6.00 is a masterpiece at its own and nobody can beat the original atmosphere and magic caught at the studio and on stage. There is a lot of differences (attitude, age, energy, tone, timbre, moment...feeling...) probably my favourite DT track. 😍 but it is my opinion (and I am a Mangini fan).
@@victordiez7772 off course you are.
@@victordiez7772 no doubt Mike the Master Mangini is the goat in my opinion
You have to seriously be joking. “Feel” what a freaking lame excuse Portnoy rushes he’s out of time and it makes it harder for the band to play consistently.
So your argument is that Portnoy has a better feel for the piece of music he wrote? Shocking conclusion to arrive at. The fact that Portnoy wrote the parts gives him the edge, but we would say the exact same thing if Portnoy was playing parts Mangini wrote. It's so dumb to do this.
To me, Mangini is more of an "academic" wonderchild. He sounds like an aced graduate with the highest degree in music awarded by universities and conservatories... He's really, really good. Portnoy to me is just... a guy who doesn't sound that educated... he just has this natural feel and oozes groove. Yeah, it's Portnoy for me.
However, I think that DT chose wisely for Mangini as Portnoy's successor. Saw Mangini perform live with them this year and it was pretty good. A bit clinical... but still, very good.
the feeling and the machine
It also has to be said that classic DT had that funky edge as a whole, not just Portnoy. They lost it somewhere along the way and that's kind of when I lost interest too.
it's exactly why I never listened to DT post portnoy. magic was gone
Same here.........nothing against Mangini but it just hasn't got the same swagger it once had
Dream Theater has never been the same
if only they had followed his suggestion of taking a hiatus, they would have come back stronger than ever. The magic has completely gone.
Nor will they. It’s like Tool trying to replace Danny Carey. I just can’t imagine they wouldn’t do whatever is necessary to keep someone who is simply irreplaceable. Hard to imagine they didn’t see that.
Fact. I love mangini, but portnoy has a live energy that can’t be replaced
@@drums4lyfe0987 he was replaced in 2010
@@drums4lyfe0987 Mangini was chosen for his ability to sit in the Portnoy pocket.
If DT can barely handle Mangini's little deviation from regular time in the "Finally Free" outro, how are they gonna handle freaks like Donati, who's drum parts are barely recognisable as music.
Mangini is that palatable middle ground. You can hear in Alien, A view from the Top of the world, awaken the master, pale blue dot, that they are starting to head into that complicated and ethereal rhythmic stuff.
I really love Portnoy sound and groove.
Both are great
The fact that some people state their preferences but no one in the comments throw s*it at either of them states the obvious that both Mikes are phenomenal drummers and are heavily respected and loved. ❤
Both are great in their own way
Both of these drummers inspired me to get my first drum set at 36 lol, they are both exceptional drummers. Portnoy's technique and feels will be better, Mangini skill will always be unmatched but he doesn't have the portnoy personality.
Why would he have the Portnoy personality, he is his own person, that's probably why he is in the band. I saw Portnoy twice with DT and once in a clinic, I saw Mangini twice in clinic but unfortunately never live. And I had the feel that Mangini had the ability to explain everything, very clearly, about his technic, his creative process, or what he was playing, when with Portnoy it was much more vague, or should I say esoteric, like " you have to be me to get there" not in a pretensious way, but not able to clearly explain thing. As a drums teacher I like to have the whole story behind something you know. Anyway I think they are both great, different, but great, it's a matter of preference, and not comparison.
Mangini's economy of motion is what I admire, I also play open hand most the time now as well. Def one of my fav tracks from them.
It's apples and oranges....I seen a clinic in st.louis and the bar in July had no A/C that day..Mike didn't say a word about it....best clinic I've ever seen...
When Mangini plays parts Portnoy came up with and recorded, there is no VS since he was not the originator of those parts.
MP came up with the idea for the intro and the piece itself. MM simply can replicate it. Once again, MP is the creative entity here, not the other percussoid.
No such thing as better or best here, just different and both amazing
Love it. Two of my favorite drummers.
Portnoy has that raw energy that makes his drums sound very interesting, while Mangini has insane precision and timing which makes it not as enjoyable, but must be very convenient and reliable for live and studio work (not saying Portnoy doesn't slay in in studio of course)
Portnoy forever !
So here we go again!!
Both awesome
I can program midi drums without any changes in velocity and it'll still sound more human than Mangini's playing.
Portnoy will always be the OG, but watching mangini switch from leading with his left foot/hand and switching to a right lead at the drop of a dime is mind blowing
Dois bateristas espetaculares
I’m so glad Mike is back in the band!
Portnoy really had the groove in this!
Portnoy has groove and flow, the music infects him. Mangini has complete precision. I saw him live earlier this year and was baffled. Man was doing double bass and high hat barks on the same foot with swivel technic.... so either drummer wins In my book. Portnoy is organic
@@l.lazman4751you have not studied manginis playing enough if you think he lacks musicality.
Mike Mangini gives an interpretation, Mike Portnoy a performance.
Mangini and Portnoy are amazing! I'm sorry that I got so sick. My doctors overdosed me on Thyroid medication. I went crazy. Collecting disability now. Getting sick, blows...would I be less of a man to say that I love Dream Theater? DT...I'm sorry that I got sick. You guys just keep doing what you do. I know...its getting harder. But I admire all of you just the same....
I remember working at the Chic-Fil-A near Quakertown. I saw Mike Portnoy. I said...HEY! He said hello! Enough for me. Being near a legend!
Daddy Gordo
Hope you get better soon!!
Comparison shouldn't be held for a creator vs follower, btw this is cool
not even close
Pagaría por ver a Portnoy tocando The Alien 😅😅😅
Mangini is part of the show, portnoy is the show
i think mangini like machine , i dont know why but mangini's drum is too perfect for human , amazing
Also, for a guy who supposedly excels at single hand speed.. I'm SUPER surprised Mangini is using 2 hands for the HH pattern at the intro. He also missed the 32nd notes on the HH in the measure just before the 6/8 time kicks in.
There is something about mike mangini that even if I comapare him to other drummers such as those who play DT drum covers, he still sounds like a drum machine than those guys.
I have seen DT with MP and 3 times MM. Mangini has created alien-like parts on the last 5 albums vs the groove MP did on 6:00. Now you should be concerned about how MP will play any of it. Cheers to both of them and all of you!!🍻
Iconic, legendary best time of Dream
Mangini!!!!!!!! 😃😃😃
Mangini's limb independence is light years ahead of Portnoy's, it's funny that not one drummer in the comments can even put that in the equation. I Iike Portnoy but he is mostly a single stroke drummer like Neil Peart was. Neil started working on that later in his career. Limb independence is what makes a drummer great but not popular. Peace
Mike is a great drummer ❤️
Both are playing great, but i like Portnoys drum tone/Kit sound more and the energy he's adding to the song.
I prefer both.
I prefer Mike
@@thelibrarian3006 😂
Portnoy , senza dubbi 💪💪💪
Thats how it is
Assolutamente! Mangini tecnicamente è su un altro livello e non ci piove, è un batterista incredibile e pagherei oro per essere un quarto del quarto del batterista che è, però Portnoy ha un gusto e un tiro che Mangini se lo sogna e per me è oggettivo! Che figata la musica.
Portnoy ❤️❤️
Mangini's look Is awful....😁
non so perché la gente pensa che se un batterista è tecnico = è un robot senza feel, se un batterista è più impreciso = umano con più feel. Non funziona così. Mangini ha un sacco di feel, basta con ste cazzate che è un robot e che suona senza emozione...
The best 💥💥💥💥
Two absolute titans.
Mangini bermain sebagai kewajiban....portnoy bermain dengan menjiwai ...keduanya adalah drummer yg luar biasa di bidangnya masing2🤟
Mangini is waaaay more relaxed and the flow is exceptional 👏👏👏
You mean the flow of the clicktrack..
@@gabrielthornmusic yeah, no 🤦♂️
I love the Derek albums, and I even like the old dirty organ tones, but that mismatch what is killing that performance for me personally.
The best version is on the album. Fantastic!
It's THE KIT. There's something about the sound of Mangini's snare and cymbals that just feels "off", tuning maybe? I don't know, but Portnoy's drums have a sort of OOMPH, they sound far more "bassy", and it helps creating a more groovy sound.
Definitely the drum sound, yes. There's no punch or energy in MM's drums and playing.
DT's sound has obviously evolved over time and personally, I much prefer their newer, more industrial sound as compared to their older one. Portnoy obviously fits the older sound but I much prefer DT's newer sound with Mangini. People like to complain about him being way too precise but I think that it fits DT better. Also, people should realize that sloppy playing /= playing with feel. Mangini's got plenty of feel. Here are some good examples: The bass solo section from The Looking Glass, some of the softer sections from Distance over Time, Intro from Fall Into the Light, Guitar solo sections from The Alien...and so on.
It sounds organized with that click 🤘🤘🤘
I'm not against click tracks, but having to play with one would drive me out of my mind.
Drummer vs drum machine
mejor explicacione no hay.....es verdad....asi es..
Pero portnoy hiso los arreglos de la cancion 😂😂😂😂
Well I, as almost every DT fan, am passionate for Portnoy, but guys… listen to this kick drums, is so sensible, it feels like it has a cushion.. but it’s only Mangini technique.
This men needs to be respected
I wonder if MM did get the same recording experience that MP got which I think helped form the feel and sound
It always weird seeing another drummer play stuff you wrote.
This is why I always hated replacing drummers.
Mangini is one of my al time favorite drummers, and he nails the part.
Mike Portnoy created the part, with all of his sonic fingerprints shining through. That is what's just about impossible to duplicate.
Conversely, it would be the same should Portnoy ever play on something Mangini wrote. Look at Fates Warning, Portnoy was playing parts written by the great Mark Zonder. No one is going to replicate Zonder faithfully, but Portnoy did a great job interpreting.
The point is that (aside from situations like Rush and Styx, etc) usually the original drummer who composed and/or performed the recorded material is where my interest lies.
it will now be interesting to see how MP does on tour playing the newer songs that Mangini helped write!