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These are Hoyas to avoid | capricious queens
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 17. 08. 2024
- It is time to warn you and tell you which hoyas to avoid if you are starting out with hoyas or, in general, if you like yourself. There are plenty others that will make you happy, TRUST ME.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:26 Hoya undulata
04:36 Hoya sammannaniana
05:59 Hoya medinillifolia
07:36 Hoya rintzii (from Borneo)
10:19 Hoya lambii
12:29 Hoya peninsularis
13:00 Hoya microphylla
15:18 Hoya carnosa Argentea Princess
18:51 Outro
19:54 Patreon Thank You
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âšâšâšI'm always overjoyed when I see you've posted a new video for us âšâšâš
That is so sweet! đ„č
I don't know who needs to hear this, but you are a great hoya grower. That plant really should have tried harder.
You know it is helpful to see others struggling! Makes any struggles I have seem more normal!! Lol
Nope! We are all struggling with some plants sometimes :)
@@BasiePlants the goal is to conquer the struggle! Lol But then something else will pop up! Lol
i love watching this dudes content⊠heâs just a right giggleâŠ. Iâm new to hoyaâs and also in the uk đ wish me luck
good luck! :D There are fantastic hoya growers there :)
@@BasiePlants Iâm just a tad worried due to our winters! I have 2 wayetti 1 gracalis and 1 ds-70 so far! đ„° also a general question! Are hoyas slow growers in the average uk climate?
I've had 2 cups of espresso and a pot of coffee today. No judgment from me :D
I had 3 cups of coffee đ So I am not quite there yet!
Ugh, with some the struggle Is real. Mitrata died before we could even get to know one another. Shepherdii hates me, variegated multiflora wants to unalive itself even in the best possible conditions. Sadly, I also killed my first spartiodes in record time. I did purchase a larger plant and so far, so good! Honorable mention goes to linearis, I love her and she also hates me.
Mitrata is okay for me :) But she is sometimes slow... Shepherdii... I don't like how she looks to be honest, maybe I will give her a trim and root more cuttings in the same pot, but she is an okay grower. Variegated multiflora does well here but she started to branch out for me and then drop every leaf on that new branch for reasons known only to God knows who xD My spartioides lost the roots but we are on the road to recovery :D I am very glad about tha because I love it and it is not easy to find. Linearis, I killed. Oooops.
@@BasiePlants at least Iâm in good company with linearis! Iâm going to keep my fingers crossed for the multiflora, it started out so pretty đ„č
Mitrata is the same as undulata in that you cannot let her get cold. Warm and humid is how it grows best. I forgot to bring mine in when a bit of cold came to FL and it crapped the can in no time.
Many thanks for the, âheads upâ on these Hoyas and for your terrific humor! đđȘŽđ„°
Thank you for the warnings, particularly about HC Argentea Princess. She's been hanging out on my wish list for a while, but girlfriend isn't cheap. If I ever decided to cough up the money to buy her and she reverted, I'd probably sound a lot like the thunder in your video. I think, like a lot of princesses, she might be better admired from afar. Have a great week!
IMO, def not worth to buy it without it actively growing so you can see she is not about to revert on you.
Lol I love your personality, youâre so fun
This is the first video of yours Iâve seen but I think this is already my new favorite channel
haha :D more people in the hoya cult! đ jk, it is just a normal club.
One of your funniest videos! Thank you for making me smile, and I will stay away from those queens.
I am glad it made you smile
@@BasiePlantswhich bark and moss do you use? Undulata roots system so different than many âplainâ Hoyas! Iâm obsessed about her ;)))) I have 2 rooting both very different! Thank you for this video!
At least I no now that even someone with WAY more knowledge than myself struggles with certain plants! I Check everyday to see if you have a new video. Looking forward to this weeks camp!
Oh definitely! It is normal to struggle with plants, no matter the amount of knowledge :D
I love this Hoya summer camp series. Right now I have a grow/die back relationship with Hoya serpens, my nemesis. I have had it 3 years and it might be smaller than when I started!The âbeginnerâ Hoya I have struggled with are compacta, kerii and linearis. My bella always has spider mites!
Put it in the shower when u water it
Bella is generally a spider mite magnet. It will help to frequently shower her to knock off some of the mites, but eventually an actual treatment is necessary. Though, she is a vigorous grower, so she will recover fast :)
Thanks so much for telling us which capricious divas to avoid as a beginner with Hoya. Truest thing you saidâŠthere are so many other ones to try and work with!đż My little H.lacunosa has been just sitting there watching me for the last 10 monthsâŠis she waiting to be on your list đ€
Is she not growing? Have you tried to treat her for mites? She will also appreciate regular watering :)
@@BasiePlantsafter watching the video on watering I stepped it up, that should help. Shes doing ok but not growing, no mites đ I think I was not watering her enough, I dread root rot Uncle Miroâs help might just be what was needed! Thank you đ€
Im only a year into the hoya obsession but I have a few now (36). I dont have anything rare or too expensive but serpens is a real struggle for me. She grows a vine puts out baby leaves and then gives up totally and repeat! I watch all your videos and really enjoy them they are great!
I hope you can make serpens grow! I recently made a video on it :)
@@BasiePlants I watched it, got some tips! âșïž
The Charmed reference. đ€Ł Fortunately, none of those are on my wishlist. Thanks for the warnings.
FINALLY someone said something! *power of three will set us free* (in this case, bloom the hoyas)
You are just naturally funny đ
I did acquire the Peninsularis not too long ago. Can't say much about it as of now. It has started several grow points, but also killed off the first leaf it tried to push out. So that's that đ€·ââïž
I would like to add the miserable being that was sold to me as Campanulata. Jesus, a creature that had less will to live has yet to be found. The plant is slowly dying, then growing a bit and dying back again. Yellowing leaves in between and after over a year not taller than 15cm. I might have started out with a bigger cutting than the miserable thing I now have. It has till the end of autumn to get its sh*t together or it'll end up in the dumpster. Seriously âčïž
I hope peninsularis grows much better for you! There are several clones out there, so I hope you have a faster growing one :D From what I read, the plant can be a bit irritating while it is establishing.
ah yes. Campanulata... not easy at all! :D My plant grops leaves, grows huge vine, I get hopefull... I am trying it in pon now, in self-watering. I do believe issue is not giving it water on time. Thin-leaf hoyas aere a challenge like that.
Please do a video about the hoya plants that have the strongest best scents.
For me, Hoya lacunosa is killing me!! Bought 3-4 plants ($200 later) and could not keep them alive. BUT, I have several other hoya some of which are HUGE and beautiful :)
Thank you for this awesome video.
Oh really? Were they any specific clones? Usually lacunosas are pretty easy-going :)
They hate me. lol
Itâs literally my third or fourth one. And I have so many other different kinds. But, such as life.
I am a new subscriber from Los Angeles, California and absolutely love listening to you. You have a fantastic demeanor and I actually learn a lot as well.
Iâve been into Hoya and Romiâs for years. I only have about 10 different kinds of Hoya, but Iâve had them for several years most of them growing outside even in 110° and drought conditions.
But the lacunosa kills me!! đ
I'm loving the summer camp, great idea! Undulata's been on my wishlist for a long time and I think she'll stay there while longer together with Versteegii. I like plants to be pretty buch I also prefer not to have to give them cpr too often.
I am glad you do! This video is not part of it :D But it does fit well I suppose xD Maybe I should add it to the playlist? I just got versteegii so I don't yet have much experience with it. I think they are okay to get, but I would definitely practice on some cheaper hoyas first :D
I didnt know the warm thing about Undulata. I kept mine by an open window in a Los Angeles winter and it was fine. Granted, the temp didnt get below 45Âș. Mine has bloomed for me but it's a very slow grower.
I admire your persistence. I am ashamed to admit that those varieties would have been in the trash if they were mine.
Oh I thought about it, BELIEVE me đ
Grateful for the tips on the undulata as I just got my first one đ Have recently got a rintzii too and am now quietly terrified đ€Ł
I just have to keep saying how much I adore you! You always make me say right!? And laugh out loud to myself( cause I'm plant, not people personđ)
Haha đ I could be a people person. (In a parallel universe)
I absolutely love Hoya 12-323 so much that I got another one I'm a sucker for small leaf plants.
Sooo I have yeeted all of my Rotundiflora. Itâs reasonably easy to grow but the leaf shape and texture is just a wonderland for mealiebugs and some of the nastiest infestations Iâve ever seen were on them despite trying a few times. Also my chicken farm hasnât done anything in forever.
Oh interesting about rotundiflora! I never had that issue with her. Hoya finlaysonii (Chicken Farm) can sometimes be slower - for me it does best in the tent. It gets very pretty with more humidity and more regular watering. Mine was not doing much out of the tent either as I tend to underwater too.
Undulata and Argentina princess are on my wish list. Iâll keep them there. Thank you, thank you!
Undulata is okay to get with some more experience :) Argentea... maybe when she is $50 xD
Nice vid, again! Buuuuut is that Dischidia hirsuta i saw in the part where you talk about H. medinillifolia? That plant is sooo cute! I have a small cutting and can't wait for her to grow en develop flowers. (sorry for this off topic comment XD)
Yes, that is hirsuta :) Very cute easy-care Dischidia :)
I love small leaved Hoyas but do not feel brave enough to try Hoya microphyla yet. But, oh so cute...
One day! :D She is not hard, just a lot of patience is needed.
I so love coffee anytime!!!
Miro I have no issues with coffee at night, I always manage to sleepđ». I just love your videos I do hope you had an amazing weekend which is probably Monday your time. I'm more of a small leaf hoya kind of girl.
It is Sunday here too! Almost 7pm :) Oh, I think if I keep up the routine, I too probably will be able to have coffee right before I go to bed đ
@@BasiePlants đ»
I have an aff. microphylla; have you heard anything on it? So far, itâs been a chill plant. Received as a cutting and it rooted well and is starting to grow for me.
Hoya medinillifolia sounds like the episode of Sinfield when Jerry dated a woman who looked beautiful in bright light, but ugly in low lightđ
Haha đ
I'm soo glad my Undulata doesn't know about this special requirements ;) I hope that doesn't change! She's with me from 8 month, I get it with one leaf and roots. Now she has 8 BIG leaf - 2 next on the way (about 20 cm) and "stem" (mayby 40 cm), grow in mix from seller (I must say its great mix of perlite, coconut, some vulcanic, brick and dont know what else). She's under "market" LED stripes 6500k (10 h by day) + mayby 2 hours east sun morning. Humidity about 48-58 %. I am brave (or crazy :P ) and bought Hoya Imricata - it doesn't look to good now and i think i will kill her. She has one smal leaf and no roots and... she broke :P I made "bandage" on her but I dont know she will alive :p I think Imbricata its another "not begginer" hoya :) I am definitely a beginner in general ;)
Thank you for the info. The microphylla would be one Iâd love and itâd break my heart. I do my best with new plants but if they arenât happy here I let them go. Sometimes Iâll try again if I really love it but only give those 3 chances tops.
The brazil and carnosa argentea princess were a surprise, revert, revert revert revert. đ
The NS-12 is calling my name. What a gorgeous plant.
NS12-323 is really a gorgeous plant, so easy to grow :) It has not bloomed for anyone yet, so it will be fun to see that when she eventually does :) Microphylla just requires patience :D
i totally agree with you about Hoya rintzii borneo and lambii, cuz I killed mine for no obvious reason. They just withered and leaves fell off.
They have NO reason being like that!
Lambii is my nemesis right now đ , I feel your pain! Thanks for a great and helpful video!
hahaha SAME :D But I am delusional and I think we have become better friends (untrue)
Hi Miro đ« What a wonderful video. I needed a good chuckle and you granted my wish đ«Thank you so much. I will say though, seeing a difficult diva plant makes me want to try it! đOn that note, My Shepherdii is currently giving me issues. No bugs that I can see, no change in watering since Iâve gotten her, no temp changes, no substrate changes but sheâs dropping whole leaves with full color???? I have no idea what she wants any help is appreciated.
hahaha I am also like that XD I start to think.. but maybe she will like me! It is rarely the case :D That does sound like mites with shepherdii. I would treat with a miticide, or sulphur...
@@BasiePlants Oh dear⊠never had to deal with any pest issues after I got the fungus gnat situation figured out with no soil. Oh Lordy, now Iâm scared đ± but Iâll get it treated. I should probably treat all the nearby plants as well?
Enjoy coffee anytime đ I struggle with hoya lucardenasiana.. she's a real pain.. đ on a side note.. Miro I just look sooo forward to any of your videos.. have a super day/week đđ±đ
I don't yet have that one, but maybe soon :)
If i was closer (im in Canada) i would send it to you...
Hi, it is a very nice video. I am new to Hoya, just wondering why your repot your Hoya Undulata so many time? Will repot give stress to the plant?
Cheer my friend i drinking coffee too and we do care â€â€â€â€
Great video Miro! Have to agree đŻ%!
It is great to have your support đ If someone says one of these are easy⊠đȘđȘđȘ
My rintzii borneo did the random leaf drop too and died. I have another on the way. After 2 years Iâm ready to try again đ
I am so sorry that happened to you but also I am glad I am not alone in this xD I thought about getting another one and then mine decided to start growing. If it drops leaves one more time, I will make a video burning what is left xD
Hi Miro, The most difficult hoya in my care right now it the manipurensis. Can't seem to make it happy. Also, I was unable to keep my insularis alive..will wait before I try that one again.
I have a cutting of that one - so far, okay :) We will see how she will grow! Insularis, I killed one, but I blame that on three week long shipping and root mealybugs.
@@BasiePlants I think I will move the mani into the terrarium to see if more humidity works. It is under a grow light now, but the leaves are not good-yellowing. The light in the terrarium is not so bright so maybe the change will help.
Just passed an import order containing both an undulata and a rintzii borneo. Can't wait to struggle đ€Ș
Haha :D Maybe you are a lucky one? :)
Oh yeah that rintzii borneo hoya was not fun, so pretty though. I was considering buying hoya undulata, but not will pass since I donât live in a warm area, and donât have a cabinet/tent. đ
Are you also a victim of Hoya rintzii? :S Maybe you can try undulata with the help of a heat mat? Though, that really is maybe too much effort for one plant.
Macrophylla is my problem child. I finally stuck her in a moss prop box. Now she's coming to life finally, but im scared to take her out of the box. Oh the struggles of being a hoya parent. đ
agree on all of them. Especially rintzii borneo hunts me. She is beautiful but I hate her :D Lastly argent. princess is on my wishlist but I never got her because of exactly this fear of reverting. Maybe if prices go more down I will risk it
I feel you with rintzii. It's really a shame for such a beauty to be such a B. xD I think Argentea Princess will be worth the risk when she gets down to $50 xD
Are you going to laugh when I say I struggle with carnosas ? It is embarrassing , but I love them so much and keep trying and somewhat failing , lolol . And I get up onto my feet , brush the dust ( soil , pon , bark ) off my pants , and try again .
Youâve probably answered this before but why donât you try pon in no drainage instead of the self watering setup?
Have you tried no drainage and had bad luck?
I find that my Hoya love it.
There could be issue of mineral buildup over time in that case as pon either comes fertilized or you add fertilizer with watering. Also, I find that lava rock tends to be quite dusty, even after rinsed. I personally wouldn't do it, especially for more expensive and uncommon hoya.
Thank you for this video , I thoroughly enjoyed it as I do every one of your videos , my goodness your patron list is lengthening .
May I ask, with your moss / bark you will restart your undulata , are you referring to long strands of sphagnum ?
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@@BasiePlants yes Besgrow orchid sphagnum is fairly long stranded , unlike ground up peatmoss
I was given a cutting in June from a Crassipetiolata splash from my mil which her plant is almost 30 yrs old. It has never been repotted and grows like crazy and blooms all the time w a musky smell. My cuttings rooted pretty quickly and next week will be transplanting to coco peat. That was my first Hoya. Since then I have purchased 6 more and am on the look out for more. Love your channel. I am in the US. Do you have this Hoya?
Hoya crassipetiolata is a wonderful hoya! I have the splashy version too, I love how those leaves are full of splash, some even go to full silver. My plant is a about a year old now, I hope to see the blooms on it soon :)
@@BasiePlants I looked at more pictures of this Hoya and it is not the splash. The normal one has some splash to it but the splash one has it all over. But we learn
Hoya Macrophylla which went down hill very quickly in soil so I took cuttings and they did great in water, so planted them in Pon and died đ
Oh no :( I am sorry to hear that
@@BasiePlants thank you Miro for getting back to me đ A video would be great on how you do on peopleâs struggled Hoyaâs đ đȘŽ
đ± I struggle with em all don't tell them that đđ€Ł
My Medinifollia came as a cutting. It rooted great. And then suddenly yellowed and died over the course of 2 days. It's so pretty but too pricey to try again.
Oh no! Sorry to hear that! Mine came as 1 node 2 leaves, and she took about a month to root thoroughly. But not only is she pricey, she is not available a lot of the time either :/
@@BasiePlants I somewhow missed this comment! Well it looks like yours is growing beautifully now from your growtent tour. And I just got a 2nd one to try. Best of luck to us both!
"There are people on this world, on this planet who are very lucky. Don't think that you're one of those people ok?" lol I wondered why my rintzii wasn't growing, I really am not one of those people hahaha. Thanks for the good laugh again.
Maybe we can change our luck - I will let you know when I find the answer to that xD
Oh (big intake of breath) a new leaf!!! Oh look, you're growing đ†Plant: Nawww, you got too excited đ
My problem is my 3 leaf Caudata Sumatra. It hadnât grown in a year and you suggested more humidity. I put it out on my screen porch where humidity is about 80%. It worked. A long vine started coming out. I got all excited. Now it wilted for about the top couple inches. Should I cut the vine off? Thanks Miro. đ±đđ±
You can cut the wilted part. Make sure to treat her for mites. Aside from humidity, they also like to be watered :) Caudata is not the hoya to underwater :)
Buy Silica and use it it will bring variegation back
Is there any study to support this aside from anecdotal evidence? I know sillica makes the leaves stronger and more resistant to pests, but I have not heard it being used to bring back variegation. I do not want to make them stronger in silver LMAO :D
I sit here hoping you donât say one of the Hoya I have, as all but one is doing great⊠ooooo that tiny Hoya microphylla- I may need that one⊠flowers are cute! Whoo- Iâm okay lol- đ now Iâm off to find that hoya⊠thank you sir!
Hahaha NOOOOOT the point of the video! đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
@@BasiePlants why should I be sticking to a point? I hear all you say/warn. But see that becomes a challenge for me to overcome. Iâm not a sadist Iâm not doing all of the Hoyas youâd said not to do, just one. đ«
Iâve heard that argentea is notorious for reverting so itâs not just you!
She is! I was very realistic when I thought she wouldn't do that to me xD
I am receiving a cutting of Hoya medinillifolia soon. I am curious to know if you rooted yours in pumice or rooted another way and then transferred to pumice? Wish me luck lol! On another note, I grow my undulata in leca in self watering set up and (fingers crossed) have never had an issue for the past 2 years. I had 2 of them but sold one. Both in the same set up. Could be worth trying.
I rooted mine in pumice and left it in pumice :D Some people grow her in regular mix but I am not willing to experiment with her if I can help it. So, just pumice + propbox. It took a month, but it rooted. Yes, my undulata did great in LECA :) But I don't grow in LECA anymore.
I never want to see Hoya Sigillatus again. Never! âĄïžâĄïžâĄïž Oh, what was that thunder?? Seriously, never. I saw one again today and Iâm over it, but just never again.
đ Hoya sigillatis can be pretty rough. But I do love my clones xD One of my favorites! :D She can be very misunderstood and very finicky you get her wrong :S
@@BasiePlants That was it. I misunderstood what special conditions it needed and treated it like the others.
I only have "easy" hoyas but those can be killed too :D fungus gnats ate my rooting elliptica and parasitica black margin. RIP
Miro ranting is everything that gets me up in the morning.đ Goes off to cast that damn spellâŠ.bloom you little bastards!
Wait, was I not super positive? đ
U are adorable â€â€â€â€ hello from Hong kong
Do you have a care guide on hoya caudata silver or H. Caudata sumatra?
I do have a video on Hoya caudata in 30 days of hoya :) They are pretty easy in my opion, especially the larger flowered clones like caudata from Sumatra :) They don't like to dry out and will do well in medium humidity (50% or more) and medium light :)
@@BasiePlants Thank you I did find it and watched it.
that baby centipede i think that's a garden symphylans also known as pseudo centipede. voracious eaters be careful about those
So funny video đđđ not because your struggles! I dont enjoy the pain! Just because you have great sense of humor and how to grow hoyas different way? Not posible! Especialy when they are evil đ đ đ
And that storm outside was just like in movie clip, supercell breaking windows and taking roofs off đ± -but no, Miro is making a video and he can't stop filming!!! đ đ
Hahaha :D It was the supercell! I didn't know it then, but if I had, I actually probably would have stopped filming xD
Is it true that reverted Argentea princess is actually nova ghost?
Yes :) Some anecdotal experience says once it reverts to full silver, it can become variegated again, so we will see with my own plant. Though I don't believe Nova Ghosts that have been growing silver for a long time can become so easily variegated again. They may sport a variegated vine though, but I haven't heard of that happening.
@@BasiePlants personally I prefer the full silver nova ghost đđđ
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I prayed to God that Rintzi wouldn't be on this listđ how evil I ordered a slice of this hoya yesterday. Well, nothing. At least a year will grow for međ
Maybe it grows for you well! My plant grew SO much in a year and then it misteriously dropped almost all leaves - never saw that growth on her again đ
I think there are many reasons why my Hoyas don't like me; there is a reason.đ
đ I think they should be more grateful or they will be deported!
oh my god these are all in my wishlist! đ really expensive sumbiches đ
I wonder if their price is due to how capricious they are
I hate Rintzii from Borneo
HAHAHAHA :D I feeeeeeel you xD
U are adorable â€â€â€â€ hello from Hong kong