For people who don't understand TripleS's concept, TripleS was never meant to debut extremely skilled and polished members. They are following the AKB48 and Jpop idol format where idols with imperfect skills are debuted and fans get to watch them improve their skills. Acid Angel from Asia actually released a video where they reacted to their live performances and talked about things they wanted to improve on for their live performances. They even admitted that their skills were lacking.
I find this concept really admirable! Lot of fans are already enjoying the growth of members such as Jiwoo and Yooyeon (neither of them were good dancers during MTG), and now that the first 10 members are officially debuted we can see their progress over time as well!
The thing I like about triples is that there is always a possibility for a popular survival show contestant who didn’t make it into the final group or a member of a disbanded group to debut/ re debut here. Personally Kotone was my top pick in gp999 and I was excited when she got announced as a member. Same with Yooyeon. Even though I don’t listen to Busters, I was happy to see Chaeyeon redebuting. But my point is that I like that they give popular trainees the opportunity to debut.
Jiwoo also a contestant of MTG, Yubin participated the cooking survival show before, Hyerin's acting career on 2018, NaKyoung gains attention because she is BiBi's younger sister. That's why it said "the idol of all possibilities"
Honestly, this was a smart move. These past survival show contestants already have a fan base and is a great strategy to get domestic Korean fans. Since some of them already have an established Korean fanbase. This helps build buzz and interest in TripleS in Korea. So Modhaus would need to do less work in getting domestic Koreans to be interested in TripleS.
I like them and their agency too, coz they aren't aesthetically or musically grandstanding. No exaggerated girl crush song, no oversaturated visuals, not annoying, but always bring back catchy and enjoyable edm and big production mv, with an inspirational storyline. Let alone it's a small agency, I truly think that we have to cherish this gem in this day and age.
@@iloveminjeong01 Yeah, Hybe and Kakao need competition. Otherwise there will come a time where they will become lazy and release lack luster songs, become less innovative, and release lack luster physical albums. Having healthy competition can help foster growth in kpop, otherwise it becomes stagnant.
I'm the guy who wrote that long post explaining the situation with Jaden Jeong. Loona was my ult group and the downward spiral has been very painful for me. I started following Loona since day one when BBC announced the project, so I was rooting for Loona from the very beginning. Now, with TripleS, as soon as the project was announced and I saw it was Jaden's own company, I immediately got onboard because everything that made Loona special was because of his creative vision, and as soon as he left, the group's sense of direction was lost, and the people who tried to fill his shoes were simply not nearly as talented as he was. I've watched every single video released from TripleS's official channel and I'm following their every move, just like I did with Loona, and I hope these girls will have a much better fate. As for whether TripleS is Loona 2.0, it's unavoidable because the creative vision and taste of Jaden hasn't changed drastically. The idea that calling them Loona 2.0 feels like taking away their own identity isn't really an issue, because ultimately it's the same creative force and not an insult in any way. The two groups will of course be different because of the different personalities and group dynamics, as well as the evolution of Jaden's creative ideas since Loona, not to mention the changing landscape of K-pop over the years. Music-wise, I feel like TripleS needs more strong vocalists--especially those with unique timbres. Loona had members with distinct vocal timbres, which made their songs interesting to listen to. So far, TripleS does have some Loona vibes, and this is both unavoidable (with Jaden at the helm and MonoTree involved) and not a bad thing, because pre-So What era Loona had one of the strongest discographies in all of K-pop, and their electro-R&B-centric sound was unique and sorely needed in K-pop. Loona's music went downhill after Jaden left, and their signature sound died with his departure. If we can get that sound again in TripleS, I don't see how that can be a negative. So far, the most Loona-sounding song from TripleS is Colorful, as its chorus sounds like something straight out of Loona 1/3's playbook, and the second half of the chorus melody is lifted straight out of Go Won's One and Only. And generally speaking, TripleS's overall vibe has similarities to Odd Eye Circle, but updated with today's trends. I try not to get too attached, because the whole thing with Loona has been so painful, but it's hard not to when you watch new TripleS content everyday, similar to when LoonaTV was released everyday. With TripleS, it's even easier to get attached emotionally because the Signal episodes are far longer than the LoonaTV episodes, and the chemistry between the members are so heartwarming and fun. I wish them the best, and I hope that since this is Jaden's own company, we won't have a repeat of Loona's unfortunate circumstances due to BBC's ineptitude and greed.
Thanks for sharing those thoughts about jaden, i do read your reddit post before tripleS was even a thing, i was that kind of orbit who cares about the music and the creative direction, that's why i fell in love with loona in association with jaden's vision. I was disappointed when he left and loona's music doesn't give me that same vibe as before. and the moment i've heard someone mentioning about jaden jeong new girl group in a random unpopular kpop opinion that i've listened to when im bored, im still not that late to analyse and digest all their content knowing its jaden's new project and was able to backtrack watch 2 months of their signal uploads (i've got into tripleS during the week of S4 kim chaeyoen's reveal)
The thing is, tripleS doesn't seem to be aiming to be the next biggest girl group. For me personally I see modhaus trying to establish a strong but loyal fanbase more than anything. I'm sure they know that their unconventional group system and concept is already offputting to a large majority of k-pop fans especially since nowadays groups don't seem to exceed 7/8 members and people like it that way. I sort of see modhaus and jaden trying to appeal to a niche group of people that like j-pop girl group systems, like akb or nogizaka or even e-girls. The tripleS system works in a way where they can do whatever they want from solos and units to large full scale group releases without having to appease to the GP bec the way they work there will be a large fandom supporting it. To me it seems like both modhaus and jaden are far more interested in satisfying the fans of the group rather than trying to hit it big on the charts or with the gp. Of course that's a plus if they do but letting fans vote and decide on things like the title track or the unit lineups, to me shows that they seem to be going for a much more fanbase orientated audience.
there are many kpop fans thta love groups with multiple people and they are debuting that way, example 8turn, xikers, zb1 and nct new subunits. is sum very classical and fun, many personalities on a group
Jaden left Blockberry because he was mislead and wasn't provided the funds or resources to carry out his creative vision for the group. The company never had the capacity to hold such a large project. He moved on and rightfully so. It appears Triple S has a huge investment from Kakao if I'm correct so they have a lot poured into them. They have the potential to not only be big, but be what NCT was intended to be, which was a limitless group. Even if they never hit it big(which I hope they do!) I at least want this thing to be executed well.
You seem to forget that he deleted a LOONA ballad album which was ready to be released, and this made LOONA members upset to the point they don't talk about it nowadays. Although the company was trash, Jaden wasn't any better as he was described to be "hard to work with". I like tripleS' music. And I like them so much to the point I'm worried about their future if they're under a company whose owner is basically someone who doesn't seem to think twice when it comes to people's effort.
The fact that BBC never had the capacity to hold such project as Jaden Jeong was trying to create with LOONA also had for consequences the drop of the 3rd album for Ladies Code. Little reminder for all of you that Jaden worked with Ladies Code after the tragic accident and helped them coming back as 3 members with a very solid project , thanks to 2 albums with songs such as Galaxy and The rain. BBC needed him fully invested for LOONA so he had to leave the girls sadly …. All of this for just nothing
Ashley from Ladies Code actually confirmed that the last part of the Healing Trilogy was recorded and they even had a choreography all ready when Jaden left. However, when the new A&R came, they decided to scrap the last part of the Healing Trilogy and made Ladies Code audition for Mixnine instead.
@@minxili3317 the audacity to make ladies code audition for this failed show. I would never be well again with this. The whole trilogy was a masterpiece
@@roadkam2584 Yeah I don't know what the new A&R was thinking but Jaden basically prepared everything for them to have a comeback before leaving but the new A&R did not like Jaden's idea which was why the last part of the Healing Trilogy got scrapped.
@@minxili3317 It's true, I know that Ladies Code really appreciated the whole trilogy work cause it was respectful and artistic. Sojun love those kind of projects... This new artistict direction by BBC and Polaris was just so dumb, people sometimes really don't know what's good in the industry
TripleS is the final version of Jaden Jeong’s project, it’s just factually true. And what I mean by emphasizing that is that he has learned from previous mistakes and has now built an ecosystem (including the group members, the trainees, the trainers, the company as a whole with all the staff) that is now capable of subsisting and actually accomplish his project. Now let’s just wait and see how this turns out in the end. (btw this comes from an orbit, I’m not saying previous projects were bad)
Rising and Generation became my fav songs in the first listen. They're amazing and have a new sound compared to other songs. The dance break us so cool too.
Letting fans vote on what kind of sub-units to reveal will not please most if not all potential listeners. But they are making a stance to be different and experimental in that regard. So, that's a plus.
Hello! I just want to correct something, fans don’t get to pick the genre of subunits but they get to pick their members in a specific way that I’ll explain. They are also not completely free the chose the Title track for the full group comebacks, they get to choose between some songs submitted to them that they get to hear the intro. The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At this time only 8 members were revealed) We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) ! That way, the company still get control of the direction of the group so it doesn’t fall apart!
@@pengchaaa Hey! More than happy to get corrected. I read your entire message, and appreciate the group (and the producer) even more than ever. The process is so well thought out. The fact that fandom even got some say let alone any say in what comes out next is just so refreshing and a respectable move.
Yes, the other person explained it perfectly. I seem to notice a few comments here and there so it seems there is common misconception that fans are in control of everything. But yeah again the other person explained it perfectly.
The reason song B was chosen was cuz TripleS fans didn't want TripleS to be compared to other kpop groups. Especially when they are just starting out with so many people being against this group. From people being hesitant and saying this concept won't work out, to LOONA fans saying they are copycats of LOONA, fans thought it was the best to stay away from the other song snippets as it all sounded too similar to what other kpop groups have already released. Plus some of the songs didn't fit in the current trend of kpop. Yes, Rising may have sounded too similar to Generation but it worked in convincing some people that TripleS have their own identity. Many TripleS fans want TripleS to create their own identity first then venture into other sounds that other kpop groups use. That way they wouldn't be bombarded with hate from other kpop fandoms. Ironically, all the hesitation from other people from stanning TripleS and hatred from some people regarding TripleS's concept was exactly what LOONA went through during their predebut days. People were being hesitant in stanning LOONA even before this whole mess blew up in LOONA. History is literally repeating itself. (KR)ystal Eyes is the next subunit that will debut in TripleS after their Rising comeback. Hopefully they will give a different sound in this comeback.
The AAA mini album was forgettable, but once I actually reviewed and analysed it, the songs started being a bop! The Rising mini album is very unique! The Baddest has such a satisfying drop and New Look gives me Hi High vibes. I just need to get into Beam and Colorful more.
It's interesting to see you found ACCESS forgettable bc I loved it since day one. The album is well thought, and I love the way it's linked altogether. But I can understand why, with only listening to random "songs" it can be not really impactful, especially as some aren't really "full" songs.
I never understood why Jaden was blamed for Loonas downfall, the time that he was overseeing them was my favorite era. Pre-debut was their most creative time. He also was overseeing OnlyOneOf, who I love. I have high hopes for tripleS, idk about him as a person but I think he has a great creative mind.
I don't think people were blaming him for his direction of loona, it's the opposite. Most people I've seen think that him leaving the group is the reason why loona started to fall, even if they don't like him as a person
idk what it is about triples' marketing and creative direction ... maybe it's the way swisse feel involved in the process by voting for the songs/subunits they want to see, and having an official discord server to interact with other fans. the company is always hosting events on the server and q&a sessions. i think all of these things make swisse feel like there's more transparency? of course it's a kpop company so there's probably stuff going on behind closed doors, but even making it seem like the company is transparent and in touch w the fans it makes the whole stanning experience different. triples is not for everyone ig but if you get it, you GET IT. btw loona/newjeans and triples sound NOTHING alike, when people say they do i have to wonder if we're seeing the same groups 💀
Hi i'm here as a triples stan so i might be a bit biased. Just let me say that modhaus is actually an great compagny with good costumer support. An example of this is when there was a problem with a fan jaden invite him to the headquaters to talk about his troubles, later putting an official statement and saying sorry for an wrong doing. I think this is of great importance for a group that is being led by fans. (Sorry for my bad english)
I think they would have more of a potential if they stayed with this 10 member lineup. Definitely think they are still going to be popular with 24 members but idk just my personal preference.
I'm looking forward for them since I really loved Jaden's involvement for LOONA which made me love the group. I see the potential and actually kinda dig their concept 💙
I became a fan of the group after o heard generation. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it is the best debut song I have ever heard. Like it’s already my most played song on Spotify ever and it hasn’t even been out that long. Rising is amazing too and I just can’t wait to see the group get bigger
They have signature style in all of their releases so far, both in the music as well as in the MVs. And some people might be put off with their concept, but personally i love that they incorporate their fandom in their music & promotion cycle. They definitely have a potential to be big, as long as they are managed correctly. What i'm worried the most about them is that MODHAUS (much like BBC with LOONA) doesn't have the necessary resource to support this kind of project for the long run. BBC has a large backing from its parent company, & even then they still failed. As far as i can tell, MODHAUS is an independent label with no large company backing them financially. And as we all know, groups like tripleS tend to not be popular amongst Korean fans, & in the kpop industry, you need Korean fans to be successful, both artistically & financially. Not saying global fans didn't contribute to a group's success at all, but it's Korean fans that contribute the largest potential factor for a group's success. Idk, maybe i'm wrong here, but that's how i see it based on past experiences.
Don’t worry too much because they came up with a very clever economic strategy that revolves around the NFT technology to make sure they make profit in addition to album sales and even outside comebacks (and here if you’re American you’ll freak out just by hearing NFT but don’t worry I’ll explain). The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art. Here, they use a not harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology where it’s basically an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too) I can assure you that they already made a sh*t ton of money with this, and I hope they do have a very well prepared economic plan before releasing a 24 members group that promotes mainly into subunits! They need to feed the girls! hahaha
They have a lot of investors from top Korean companies such as Naver's startup training organization, D2 Startup Factory, CJ E&M, SK Telecom, Hyundai, GS25, cosmetic labels, product placement sponsors, and more. Also, TripleS's Korean fandom is growing steadily and they were able to get a decent Korean fandom the moment they debuted because some members already had a fanbase prior to debut. All of these are things that LOONA never had. LOONA was mostly funded by international investors. No Korean investors. Their Korean fandom also seems weaker then TripleS currently. TripleS's mvs are actually getting a good amount of Korean comments. Compared to LOONA I don't see this at all. TripleS will be fine and I am not worried about their funding at all especially when they have so much investors backing them up. It's clear you don't follow this group.
i just wish that we looked at and respected K-pop groups individually and didn't compare them to any other groups whether they're in the same company or have similar concepts cuz it just leads to unnecessary fan-wars and arguments.
Personally, i think the AAA mini is good, and the new mini album with the 10 is absolutely amazing. I definitely hear the LOONA comparisons, but they're their own thing, too.
honestly, this situation sounds similar to gwsn and billlie. it would be cool if you would make an video on that because it’s crazy how gwsn and billlie are experiencing the parallels of loona and triples’s situation
I first heard of them from the Rising music video and I’m super new to kpop, So all this kpop back story lore about Loona and stuff is so interesting to me LOL a whole new world to explore
It’s super nice to see new Kpop fans! As you just said, the world of Kpop is big, so as much as everyone will say you to check this group or that song here and there, the best way to discover Kpop is by checking out new things at your own rythme and staying open minded (because people in this community love to fight and spread misinformation xd) If you have questions, especially about tripleS and LOONA, I can try to answer them!
They definitely remind me of LOONA mostly because of the amount of memebers they have, however there concept worries me a little. They basically have a concept that involves the fans deciding stuff like concept, song titles and possibly what members are gonna be in the comebacks. In theory this sounds great but it worries me the amount of power the fans are gonna have and how it's gonna affect the members mental health.
@@cobaltbluemaru you have alot of members and there is always gonna be favorites. I just don't want it to be like LOONA we're most of the attention was put on a few members and the rest get barely any lines or opportunities to shine. I just have a hard time thinking everyone will get a fair shot using this system
correction, the only concept fans can decide we're those things they present in the table. a fan who wants them to do NU METAL music can be ignored if that concept wasn't event in the voting poll in the first place
@@greghero7720 I guess that makes it a little better. I just hope all the girls get a chance to shine at least once and that they don't just promote some of them
Hello! I follow tripleS closely so might be able to answer your questions! The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) ! I personally think it’s a very clever way to get around those problems, if you have other questions feel free to ask! Edit: I forgot to mention that when this voting took place, only 8 members were revealed so everyone got a subunit!
i will say that as of today there has been one voting for members for subunits,. Instead of choosing specific members for a subunit they gave us two members and we picked which subunit they would go in respectively,.(ie,. we were presented with seoyeon and nakyoung and we chose which would go to AAA and which would go to KrEyes).,I think if they continue doing the voting like this it will be fine as all the members will always be in a unit., but we'll just have to see
People who claimed "tripleS is LOONA 2.0" are either joking or nonfans who only see the headlines and probably don't listen much to songs from both groups
I would say they would have been bigger if they were from hybe just like new jeans blown. Both have great music just company difference decided their success rate.
obv they didnt have big3 advantage but yk theyre gonna grow slowly and jaden seems to really love this group and his company so lets just wait and let them grow naturally
I mean yeah obviously? Any group coming from a big company like Hybe would find success MUCH easier and faster to achieve... But that doesn't rule out the potential for this group to make it big as well.
I do find it ironic that the rooftop set at the end of rising is the same location as the end of Egoist. Just something I noticed. Probably is a thing because Jaden still has access to the connections he had before to the people who have the locations. So I don’t think it’s intentional
well, i'm also not a JJ defender, i just don't give a shit with all those non-sense things they had thrown at him in his loona years, all i care about is his vision and musical taste that attracts me to loona during that time, and i've miss that so much. discovering JJ stablish his own company to possibly continue/reimagine his vision for loona to his new girl group tripleS is all i care for.
I love LOONA so much and the amount of predebut preparation and hype they got just from releasing each member. I remember people even creating theories regarding the lore. Jaden really made a multiverse just for Loona and the releases revolve around it. I do hope Jaden creates a similar Loona group, (I know people might disagree wit me) I just want to see how it is executed completely in a span of 7 years, a typical idol group contract. I just hope it becomes more established and also has better financial planning and group management. Loona was such a great lore, almost like a comic book series or a Genshin impact game where there is world building revolving around the 12 girls.
as an orbit i really like tripleS music, and even tho they remind me a lot of loona i still see them as a seperate group w their own identity!! will defo be streaming their music
tripleS's Rolex and Charla are also stupidly good songs (imo, rnb and lofi lover here), Rising and Beam made me fanboy out of my mind but as i listened to the rest of the album, i got pretty disappointed. waiting for future releases because Generation and Rising got me screaming into my pillow for the first time since Bts's Run
im glad these comments came thru. jadens been a scapegoat for orbits for years when a lot of the problems at bbc have continued or gotten worse. like think for a second: why would a creative director whos in charge of group concepts, lore, music selection, and lyric writing have anything to do w the legal process of their contracts. or what they eat. like really just think a second. tripleS get a bad wrap because of stuff orbits made up to get mad about instead of actually learning about what happened. (and i say this as an ex-orbit). if u can get music and videos from a lot of the same team carrying on the torch of loona while theyre somewhat defunct, wouldnt that be exciting? it is to me. anyways i see a lot of groups actually taking from modhaus' playbook in the future, in the way loona was a trendsetter in their prime. jadens always just like a few steps ahead of the industry sometimes. he made a blogpost about how sometimes its more important to have a small but dedicated fanbase instead of appealing to everyone. i think this is true cos tripleS' concept alone confuses some ppl and might turn them away- but at the same time theres thousands of us ready to buy albums or vote in fan events called gravities.
obviously not everyone’s super drawn to their music, but it’s easy to find people absolutely in love with it. idk, i just see them growing a solid fanbase in the years to come
I feel like Modhaus has the capacity to house 3 or 4 groups, but they have tripleS and ARTMS instead. It's good, because we get some occassional content from ARTMS and lots of albums from tripleS
I loosely followed LOONA since their solo era and follow tripleS more closely, so it is just based on my general impression. LOONA gives a more ethereal and orderly vibe, whereas tripleS gives a more down-to-earth and orderless vibe. tripleS has more fan engagement aspects and not super lore-heavy. I do think tripleS is going to develop well given Kakao and Naver's investments and the international support from the NFT-incubator #hashed. They have no problem accessing music producers and other creative people in the industry. They started off with a lot of engagement with commercial sponsors and partnerships. Their business model involving objekts is already bringing revenue and getting the girls paid. I do not care if they become one of the top groups or not. They just need to be sustainable with a solid fanbase. Overall I think they are going to exceed my expectation.
The reason why TripleS' music sounds like Loona's, is actually due to Mono Tree. Early Loona songs were made by Mono Tree, and Jaden is famous for working with Mono Tree. Overall, Jaden's concepts tend to be quite similar, before Loona, Lovelyz was supposed to be that "secret shadow" group, but yeah, that didn't happen, and Jaden moved to Polaris to work on Ladies Code singles Galaxy and Rain, that's why those two songs also have the "Loona feel" both musically and visually (Jaden + Mono Tree y'all). Then finally he started Loona, and then when shit hit the fan with BBC, he started YET another similar concept with OnlyOneOf, except here, the boys can co-produce the songs/choreo etc. TripleS has a lot of potential, but I think the NFT part of it will flop hard, mostly due to the whole NFT thing being a temporary craze and I don't see it being applicable in the future. One thing he learned from the Loona project is that too many MVs too often = disaster. Loona pumped out an MV every month, for literally 18 months straight, only to enter "loona the draught" after Butterfly (no MV no activity for 1 year)... If things play out well, this group can become huge, but I feel the sheer number of members is going to cause massive cases of favoritism due to the voting system.
"only to enter "loona the draught" after Butterfly (no MV no activity for 1 year)" Yep and now guess when Jaden left? Exactly. BBC had no idea what to do with them since their creative mind left. People can say what they want but thanks to LSM they got the recognition they deserved.... after that long hiatus.
@@TomsMusicCorner Sadly yes, and at the same time it marked the "end of Loona", after JJ left, and LSM directed So What, the Loonaverse died, the old Loona sound died, and we got the mainstream stuff with bits and pieces of "loonaverse-mock up" imagery... Sure I love Loona for the girls, but the reason why I started following them was thanks to the pre-debut, JJs Loona, Mono Tree sound and big brained Orbits. LSM did contribute to their win, but that only shows how Korean public pay attention to "who" produced rather than the quality of the song - So What is honestly their worst title track, and no one can change my mind. 🥲
@@Miraiana It wasn't really an identity, it was like 3473485932 identities ^^. I liked the OEC era the most but also new and Egoist. Others liked 1/3, others only certain b-sides. Basically there was something for everyone but you can't say that there was a certain LOONA sound. It was more a movement, not a specific sound. A small company with budget was able to achieve something that previously only the big 3 were able to do (and groups like Monsta X). I think that was impressive. Unfortunately BBC failed to make a good job (breaches of contract, tax evasion, etc.).
Hello! I would like to just clarify some things and add some context here; The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art. (I know most people, especially Americans, freak out just by hearing the name NFT but they are just making big shortcuts) Here, they use a not harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology to basically make an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too that I’ll explain down there) If it wasn’t called NFT a lot of people would actually be more interested in this new system that also provides them sufficient remuneration for their project and for the members (yes they actually get paid). Now for the voting system, it is actually very cleverly thought out. There’s 2 types of votes, One where the fans get to chose the title track for the next full group comeback among a few songs submitted to them (that way the group doesn’t end up promoting a random ass song thanks to the preselection made by the company), and another one where fans get to divide all members into subunits (the wording is important) You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At this time only 8 members were revealed) We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divide into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) ! A lot of misinformation gets spread out about tripleS and unfortunately medias are a big part of it (cf. the 100k sales thing lmao) so if I could help clearing out some of it it’ll be greatly appreciated, it’s a lot nicer when people just ask things instead assuming stuff! (And btw, as an orbit I have to say I strongly agree with what you said about MonoTree and LOONA)
I don't think it's just Mono Tree, we have to include Jaden Jeong as well, cuz after Jaden left BBC, Mono Tree produced for other kpop groups but unfortunately none of those songs hit the same to me compared to the songs he worked with Jaden Jeong
good songs, i don't like the direct pressure of forcing fans to buy albums just if they want a certian combination of girls to stay together and the nft thing is also bad for the environment. I'll happily listen to the music cause I like the style but I don't think I can support them fully with the nft situation
Hello! I would like to just clarify some things and add some context here; The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art. (I know most people, especially Americans, freak out just by hearing the name NFT but they are just making big shortcuts) Here, they use a NOT harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology to basically make an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too) If it wasn’t called NFT a lot of people would actually be more interested in this new system that also provides them sufficient remuneration for their project and for the member. Now for the 100k sales goal to avoid disbandment that you’ve seen, that’s also not true. tripleS is meant to promote in rotating subunits by their concept, every unit that is formed gets 1 release and then they will always "disband" because members are assigned to the next wave of subunits for the next promotions. If 100k sales are reached during a subunit promotion, fans get a bonus mini album release from the same unit as a gift. The girls are NOT by any mean pressured to reach 100k sales because subunits are meant to change in the first place and they enjoy trying different concepts with different members any time there’s a new wave of subunits! A lot of misinformation gets spread out about tripleS and unfortunately medias are a big part of it (cf. the 100k sales thing lmao) so if I could help clearing out some of it it’ll be greatly appreciated!
None of us fans feel forced though, why are non fans making assumptions lol Us fans are actually okay with subunits disbanding. If they don't stay together then it's fine with us
I'm a big fan of Loona and their music for years. I can see why other fans can say this is Loona 2.0. I don't think it's necessarily right, but a lot of it comes from nostalgia. I believe most people would agree that Loona's peak was really on their predebut to their Butterfly era. Knowing that Jaiden is also a part of the creative direction of triple S and that Rising is produced by the same person who made Butterfly and other of Loona's discoreography (MonoTree) makes it very close to home for Loona fans.
Seventeen is popular with their perfect synchronized dance, which tripleS is lacking for now, they're still in stage of revealing members and they're still halfway in that process, 24 members to be completed, and with that member amount comparison, we can consider them as the NCT female version, as they'll promote in sub units for most of their future releases
I sure wasn't expecting their main outfit to be street clothes and tennis shoes, but they sure came out with a bang! While tripleS does need some time to refine their vocals, their chemistry and dance skills are incredibly good for a debut!
actualy never listened to any of their songs. people say they are similar to new jeans so i am not really interested cause this type of music is not my fav. i also dont like groups with a lot if memebers so yeah they just exist fmbut thats it fir me haha. The last weeks i also learned that the next big thing (leading in EVERY aspect) needs a supportive, bigger fandom and the gg's rn seem to lack that at the moment they rather have general listeners? (except a view). I could be wrong tho
People associated them with the “NewJeans style” because Generation was quite similar to that style, but they do have a bunch of different things. You might wanna check them out just by curiosity and you might like some of their songs! Also “the next big thing” doesn’t necessarily need a large amount of dedicated fans in my opinion as long as they get “casual listeners” to actively support them. tripleS is still an underdog at this time and are slowly building their fandom so there’s time anyway. In addition, girl groups can build a massive fandom like Girls Generation did in the past and now how NewJeans are building a huge fandom really fast, in fact NewJeans could probably be “the next big thing” of Kpop internationally.
@@pengchaaa oh if thats the case then i will gladly check out their other songs! Maybe you have some recommendations? Thats why i wrote in every aspect. In Kpop, if you want to win big, main awards you mostly (not always) need a big fandom that votes for you. You could say blinks dont vote a lot too and blackpink is at the top, but thats the point they are not leading in every aspect, thats bts cause of the fandom. I mean you could say Blackpink still has enough fame but then again thats why i said the next big thing .i wont say the next bts cause every group is its own but i mean in case of being the top kpop group after bts disbands (what propably will happen in 100 years haha). Just leading everywhere and being known as THE group. So when i saw the voting game of Tokkis i was a bit surprised. Its kind of...interesting how low their voting rate is. Also album sales count to a lot of awards now and if the general listeners dont like the new songs they wont buy the album, a core fandom already buys the album in preorders without knowing if they like the songs. And the general listeners, if they find a new more interesting toy (group) they could easily throw you to the side and forget about you. Who will back you up then if not a big dedicated fandom? i think both are important but what makes a group survive for a long time is a large core fandom. So i would give New Jeans a view years but they could definetly be the new big thing. if their sound is still well liked in a view years, maybe they also will change their sound we dont know thats why i wouldnt be so sure with them being the next leaders. (Also Babymonster is about to debut. Lets see what happens haha) but these are just my thoughts, as always i could be very wrong and in open for different view points.
@@5XKXNXA I see what you meant now and your vision of things is very interesting! I still think that the reason BTS was so strong is because they managed to turn a lot of global listeners into their dedicated fans, including a lot of people who didn’t even listen to Kpop before! Turning a global listener into a dedicated fan takes a few comebacks and that’s why I mentioned NewJeans which is starting to reach a lot of people outside of Korea too, if they manage to gain the heart of people who didn’t know Kpop before, they could possibly be the next big thing!
@@pengchaaaoh, thats a very good point too! i mean if they turn the 21 M spotify monthly listeners into tokkis then i would say checkmate. They got it! Was very nice to hear your viewpoint and i can now totally see where youre coming from. The upcoming years will be super interesting i guess.
i ult both groups and i would love if people didnt forget jaden jeong literally lied about the budget for loona's project for clout and bragged about it on his blog. he also bragged/joked about hiding food from the members. ... so he is not entirely a saint. their music is similar cuz they have the same producer and jaden has the same idea for a worldview for all his works. im glad so far he hasnt been like that w tripleS and hopefully we can even see them together one day in music shows :D their musics are both amazing and deserve lots of support
It only makes sense that an industry and audience that demands that every artist, every album, and every song have a concept (which by it's very nature can only serve as marketing as opposed to giving insight to what makes a song special) will also use a large paintbrush to describe tripleS as a LOONA 2.0 (just because of how the group is built up or the JJ flavor in the sound) or New Jeans copycat (just because of fashion cues or retroactively the intros of the Generation and Ditto videos). Anyone who is more music fan than kpop stan can find (or dismiss) the nuances that make any song unique and likable, regardless of any similarities to anything else. That being said, I had AAA on constant repeat from day 1 because it appealed to the taste I acquired being an orbit. Unfortunately I'm gonna have to give Assemble some time to have any impact on me. The hook for Rising got me but it didn't lead me anywhere.
No Popularity in korea💀 triple s especially aaa did well in korea with generation did you see how well it charted yes the album sales were low but that's only because they were from a small company and just debuted and nowadays people stream more than buy albums especially with small groups
For me New Look has the odd dilemma that it's pretty generic synth pop, which means it's both simultaneously very good and also very boring and I couldn't bring myself to like it very much, if it had some tweaks it would be an easy 8/10 or higher.
@@Taejiu yeah I just listened to everything once so far. Time will tell what sticks. I thought Rising was pretty non descript for a title track but it could change.
They will promote with all 24 members once every year. At the end of 2022 there were only 10 members revealed so that’s why their are 10 members in this debut, so next year how ever many members are revealed by the end of 2023 then will be included in the comeback/ debut.
I thought they will be something big but they did not chart they only debuted 90 on bugs kpop stans always hype them when they hate on Newjeans but they don't really support but idk we will see in the future
Seems like you have no idea how immensely difficult it is to chart on Melon and etc if you are from a new company. People are so used to seeing the big 4 company groups chart all the time they forget everyone doesn't have the same privilege. No matter how much some fans say "it's their talents that made them popular" it is not true at all. No matter how much talent you have if you want to make a significant impact in the music industry you have to be from a big ass company. (The BTS rags to riches thing is extremely rare and will not happen to everyone)
I really loved the new album. However looking at their live performances, I think they need more time to develop their individual personas. Cause right now it’s giving practice room
That's the whole point lmao they weren't supposed to be that polished, the first member introduced aren't even that trained so much yet. Their concept is as they are longer exposed to the kpop scene, they get better and better.
@@enixcheen5192 I guess. But when other groups debut with a similar sound (which they will) what’s gonna sell better; a group that’s already good or a group that will eventually get good?
Disagree with the stuff regarding Jaden. Olivia Hye herself said that he would only let her debut if she lost 13 pounds in one week. Her mom confirmed this story as well. Jaden also stole some food that Yves ordered and then bragged about it on his Instagram account. He was at least in some part responsible for the starvation diets they endured, and considering a lot of the tripleS members have talked about dieting in their vlogs I highly doubt he has changed his ways for the better.
For me personally, there's always something incomplete about their music that stops them from being great For 'Generation', everything about the song was perfect; songwriting and production wise. What brings the song down tho is it's incomplete song structure. They don't even need a bridge, but they could've at least added a second verse in there. Seriously, if they just "finished" the song, this could be one of the greatest debut songs I've heard in kpop, maybe even up there with 'Hype Boy'. For 'Rising', the songwriting was not as good as their previous release, but it was still great nonetheless. The chorus was kinda catchy, and the second verse went HARD. My biggest problem with it tho is the mixing. Their voices are SO buried in the mix that I almost could not hear them singing. I know the production slaps, but the vocals should always be in the forefront of the song, at least in a song like this. I see a lot of potential in Triple S but they're not quite there yet. I really hope they perfect their music with their next comeback.
The rise of social media flat form like tiktok is to blame with that decision as they must have realized that short video content can easily be consumed now these days with the right opportunity and strategy for promotion
I think the concept is intriguing but also not that great. You have to make sure EVERY member has immense popularity and you are now making them compete with not only the other companies but within their own. There will be 1-2 members maybe more, who will repeatedly not get voted in the sub unit groups, and it will happen often. They will only participate in full TripleS releases like ASSEMBLE. Unless there are rounds where members are selected to be voted for then refresh the selection next sub, but even then it can happen. It will for sure drive these trainees to work extra hard and when they do get selected they will show nothing but skill because they are constantly going to have to train to prove to the public they deserve to be in the current sub. ALSO I do not support their use of NFTs. I get it and why they would want to do so but it costs too much energy resources to produce and keep up.
Uhmm do you know how they were voted specifically in the sub-units? For sure I know its not a popularity voting 😊 Fans where chosen combinations of the members and that’s how we vote them, not individually. Ex. Choice A is Girl 1 will go to Sub-Unit A and Girl 2 will go to Sub-Unit B, then Choice B is that you switch the girls, Girl 1 will go to Sub-Unit B and vice versa. With this, all members will go into sub-units. No one will be left out.
Hello! To complete what @COBALT BLUE MARU said I’ll provide the example of the first two units and how their members got decided! The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, let’s get how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At the time this voting took place, there was only 8 members revealed so everyone got a subunit) We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) ! I personally think it’s a very clever way to get around those problems, if you have other questions feel free to ask!
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Lmao I remember when AAA generation was released i saw it when it was barely released like 1min, i just got on yt and misclicked then i listened to, personally i didnt like generation but i did like charla, but I remember voting for rising which is why am happy, even tho i dont stan them, also personally, i like rising, the baddest, and new look.
Lol how can you say you dont stan them if you're able to vote rising in their grand cosmo event for ot10 title track? getting that far in tripleS fandom is some hardcore dedication, unless it's just your preferred song rooting for?
@@gregherosec.9553 just the song, tbh, other than that i dont know much lmao, i just listen to the album and continue with my day. Same with ateez, i listen to all there music and thats all since am subscribe to both, i see the post and read them, other than that i just listen. but i do see alot of post by stan channels (idk what to call them) which do updates on rewards and such.
It's way too soon to call something like this. Rising is a fine song, but I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever. Maybe the best song of the week... but it's only Tuesday afternoon as of writing this, and Purple Kiss is comeback tomorrow. I enjoyed the song for what it was and thought the Pizza scene in the MV was cute... and that's all I really took away from all of it. It's fine, they're fine, and I need to see more before I form a better opinion.
some of the title songs are great. but I hate the quantity over quality gimmick concept. no i won't support half baked 2 dozen girl group nor cherry pick some good ones but then rotated again and again. dozens only work for donuts not girl/boy group.
People need to stop with whole Loona 2.0. This group doesn't have the vocal talent or performance ability to be compared to Loona. Hopefully with more time they can improve those aspects
Yea TripleS is more similar to AKB48 and the Jpop idol system instead where idols debut with imperfect skills and fans watch them endearingly improve their skills. This is not even close to LOONA's concept at all.
@@minxili3317 Oh I agree. The only thing they have in common is that they both worked with Jaden. But even that isn't something unique. As someone who hasn't been playing close attention to them, hopefully in the future the company does more to make the individual members stand out. At least with Loona they all had their own individual colors, animals, and MV's.
They have the vocal talent and the performance ability, if your trying to say they aren’t on the same scale as Loona or something like that is different. They just debuted and most of them come from having no experience as a trainee.
@@viceroy2672 I can’t fault you on this since you said you don’t pay attention to them, but the way they’re being revealed gives fans time to learn about them and that helps them individually, also the members do have their own colors. When they release signal episodes that showcases the members talents, that goes towards helping them stand out individually. While I agree with not seeing the similarity to Loona besides the way they are slowly being introduced (minus the solo song), individually each member does stand out. Hope that helps you understand.
@@pinkstrwbxrry4400 Thanks for the response. My perspective is from someone on the outside with little knowledge. And just from the title track MV's. By standing out I mean they all wear similar colored clothes and dark hair styles. I can't point to one individual member. "Like who's the girl with the red shirt and blonde hair" that's what I mean by standing out
The pattern in this group is crazy, from concept to music (genre) is predictable, the music they released existed before. Kpop is really trying to be more on general public (doing the safe option by releasing the most generic pop song in the US back in early to late 2000's).
Tbh I wasn’t really a big fan of Loona music direction, from all their title tracks I only liked hi high and butterfly, and I have been really enjoying tripleS for what they’ve shown so I don’t really see a similarity between their sound. And I don’t believe they are going to be huge, since loona is already at the example I see them having a similar popularity, Loona was not huge, was not breaking big records nor making a huge amount of money, a mid size group that was able to push their company, thats what I see for tripleS
I mean the reason why you probably only like Hi High and Butterfly is because those were the only 2 full group releases that Jaden Jeong (CEO of Modhaus) creatively directed
@jjknovacane well I wouldn't necessarily call him a "king".. Yeah his music and creative direction is phenomenal but I wouldn't let that excuse his poor treatment and abandonment of previous projects (Loona, ladies code, onlyonof etc.) Whilst there's been obvious improvements towards his treatment for tripleS, as they are getting paid and seem generally happy, I'd still be cautious and not view him as some saint.
@@orbitwav you need to read that reddit thread the author of this video talks about, it was in a link, cause you my friend were completely misunderstood thing about JJ, the magician, if not a king 😅
@GREG HERO 77 Look, I do agree some things people blame JJ for were out of his control. However, I will not accept people completely turning a blind eye to his faults and making excuses for everything bad he has done. He is not a saint, nor is he a devil. People should just be aware and cautious before supporting any CEOs/company leaders.
So... first they're copying NewJeans and now loona? Kpop stans make me laugh Edit: y'all in the comments need to understand that this comment was sarcasm, I totally hate the fact that they're comparing these groups
Wouldn’t say they are copying either, their sound takes clear inspiration from the newtro sound nj uses. And their concept is literally just another Loona (the creative director made Loona)
How they copying loona when the person behind them is the exact person who directed the loona concept only thing they copying here with newjeans is having a extremely hated ceo being jaden Jeong and min heejin
1:10 when I heard his name I audibly went ew 🫠 I don’t hate him as a person i just feel like he puts art above all else and doesn’t care about if the idols will get paid for their work of the company will get in debt because at least with loona there was no way that they were ever going to pay off the debt he put them in and he pretty much help fucked over bbc and loona
you clearly never took time to understand the situation, tripleS is already living in houses that even the big3 aren’t able to provide for their rookie groups and they are given credit cards for their daily expenses. as for loona the man was only the creative director, he was paid (i’m not even sure if he was atp) to do his job, the finances of the company were not his responsibility. after the disagreement with bbc he managed to save loona’s brother group (OnlyOneOf) from the same fate and he’s still working with them and the members themselves are happy to work with him. he cares for the artists he works with but he isn’t a martyr, compared to other people in the industry he’s more than fine
He would’ve had no control over the Loona members getting paid, the reason they are in debt and haven’t been getting paid is because of their contracts. The contracts which were made by the company (BBC) not the creative director (Jaden).
For people who don't understand TripleS's concept, TripleS was never meant to debut extremely skilled and polished members. They are following the AKB48 and Jpop idol format where idols with imperfect skills are debuted and fans get to watch them improve their skills. Acid Angel from Asia actually released a video where they reacted to their live performances and talked about things they wanted to improve on for their live performances. They even admitted that their skills were lacking.
yes. I can see the fun of witnessing the growth of the girls and the process of production. I personally enjoy this aspect.
that's why i love their concept, "the idol of all possibilities" it's just so cool and refreshing
for those wondering, they have a voting system too but dont worry it allows everyone to shine and isnt just about letting the popular members debut!
I find this concept really admirable! Lot of fans are already enjoying the growth of members such as Jiwoo and Yooyeon (neither of them were good dancers during MTG), and now that the first 10 members are officially debuted we can see their progress over time as well!
@@ubergamer2010 yooyeon improved a lot her stability too!
Fun Fact:Rising was actually picked by us/triple s fans voted for rising to be the title track :)
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Yeah I remember that! I still sing the beginning part as "got me looking at ya" instead of "ara neoye maeum" lol
Does anyone remember the demo?
@@radimgabaj4263 I wish they kept the original line
still kinda blue that H song didn't make it in the album but oh my, rising was a masterpiece
@@Taejiu L fans, they chose the newjeans clone
The thing I like about triples is that there is always a possibility for a popular survival show contestant who didn’t make it into the final group or a member of a disbanded group to debut/ re debut here. Personally Kotone was my top pick in gp999 and I was excited when she got announced as a member. Same with Yooyeon. Even though I don’t listen to Busters, I was happy to see Chaeyeon redebuting. But my point is that I like that they give popular trainees the opportunity to debut.
Jiwoo also a contestant of MTG, Yubin participated the cooking survival show before, Hyerin's acting career on 2018, NaKyoung gains attention because she is BiBi's younger sister. That's why it said "the idol of all possibilities"
Honestly, this was a smart move. These past survival show contestants already have a fan base and is a great strategy to get domestic Korean fans. Since some of them already have an established Korean fanbase. This helps build buzz and interest in TripleS in Korea. So Modhaus would need to do less work in getting domestic Koreans to be interested in TripleS.
I like them and their agency too, coz they aren't aesthetically or musically grandstanding. No exaggerated girl crush song, no oversaturated visuals, not annoying, but always bring back catchy and enjoyable edm and big production mv, with an inspirational storyline.
Let alone it's a small agency, I truly think that we have to cherish this gem in this day and age.
Especially now with Hybe and Kakao trying to eat nearly every agency. We really need to support small labels no matter what
@@minxili3317 fr lmao everybody is getting catch by kakao and hybe
@@iloveminjeong01 Yeah, Hybe and Kakao need competition. Otherwise there will come a time where they will become lazy and release lack luster songs, become less innovative, and release lack luster physical albums. Having healthy competition can help foster growth in kpop, otherwise it becomes stagnant.
@@minxili3317 girl, this group is funded by kakao
@@khouloudaithsain9215 They just invested in them. They did not buy stocks from Modhaus. Those are 2 different things.
I'm the guy who wrote that long post explaining the situation with Jaden Jeong. Loona was my ult group and the downward spiral has been very painful for me. I started following Loona since day one when BBC announced the project, so I was rooting for Loona from the very beginning. Now, with TripleS, as soon as the project was announced and I saw it was Jaden's own company, I immediately got onboard because everything that made Loona special was because of his creative vision, and as soon as he left, the group's sense of direction was lost, and the people who tried to fill his shoes were simply not nearly as talented as he was. I've watched every single video released from TripleS's official channel and I'm following their every move, just like I did with Loona, and I hope these girls will have a much better fate.
As for whether TripleS is Loona 2.0, it's unavoidable because the creative vision and taste of Jaden hasn't changed drastically. The idea that calling them Loona 2.0 feels like taking away their own identity isn't really an issue, because ultimately it's the same creative force and not an insult in any way. The two groups will of course be different because of the different personalities and group dynamics, as well as the evolution of Jaden's creative ideas since Loona, not to mention the changing landscape of K-pop over the years.
Music-wise, I feel like TripleS needs more strong vocalists--especially those with unique timbres. Loona had members with distinct vocal timbres, which made their songs interesting to listen to. So far, TripleS does have some Loona vibes, and this is both unavoidable (with Jaden at the helm and MonoTree involved) and not a bad thing, because pre-So What era Loona had one of the strongest discographies in all of K-pop, and their electro-R&B-centric sound was unique and sorely needed in K-pop. Loona's music went downhill after Jaden left, and their signature sound died with his departure. If we can get that sound again in TripleS, I don't see how that can be a negative. So far, the most Loona-sounding song from TripleS is Colorful, as its chorus sounds like something straight out of Loona 1/3's playbook, and the second half of the chorus melody is lifted straight out of Go Won's One and Only. And generally speaking, TripleS's overall vibe has similarities to Odd Eye Circle, but updated with today's trends.
I try not to get too attached, because the whole thing with Loona has been so painful, but it's hard not to when you watch new TripleS content everyday, similar to when LoonaTV was released everyday. With TripleS, it's even easier to get attached emotionally because the Signal episodes are far longer than the LoonaTV episodes, and the chemistry between the members are so heartwarming and fun. I wish them the best, and I hope that since this is Jaden's own company, we won't have a repeat of Loona's unfortunate circumstances due to BBC's ineptitude and greed.
Thanks for sharing those thoughts about jaden, i do read your reddit post before tripleS was even a thing, i was that kind of orbit who cares about the music and the creative direction, that's why i fell in love with loona in association with jaden's vision. I was disappointed when he left and loona's music doesn't give me that same vibe as before. and the moment i've heard someone mentioning about jaden jeong new girl group in a random unpopular kpop opinion that i've listened to when im bored, im still not that late to analyse and digest all their content knowing its jaden's new project and was able to backtrack watch 2 months of their signal uploads (i've got into tripleS during the week of S4 kim chaeyoen's reveal)
The thing is, tripleS doesn't seem to be aiming to be the next biggest girl group. For me personally I see modhaus trying to establish a strong but loyal fanbase more than anything. I'm sure they know that their unconventional group system and concept is already offputting to a large majority of k-pop fans especially since nowadays groups don't seem to exceed 7/8 members and people like it that way. I sort of see modhaus and jaden trying to appeal to a niche group of people that like j-pop girl group systems, like akb or nogizaka or even e-girls. The tripleS system works in a way where they can do whatever they want from solos and units to large full scale group releases without having to appease to the GP bec the way they work there will be a large fandom supporting it.
To me it seems like both modhaus and jaden are far more interested in satisfying the fans of the group rather than trying to hit it big on the charts or with the gp. Of course that's a plus if they do but letting fans vote and decide on things like the title track or the unit lineups, to me shows that they seem to be going for a much more fanbase orientated audience.
there are many kpop fans thta love groups with multiple people and they are debuting that way, example 8turn, xikers, zb1 and nct new subunits. is sum very classical and fun, many personalities on a group
Jaden left Blockberry because he was mislead and wasn't provided the funds or resources to carry out his creative vision for the group. The company never had the capacity to hold such a large project. He moved on and rightfully so. It appears Triple S has a huge investment from Kakao if I'm correct so they have a lot poured into them. They have the potential to not only be big, but be what NCT was intended to be, which was a limitless group. Even if they never hit it big(which I hope they do!) I at least want this thing to be executed well.
Jaden got bamboozled
@@Taejiu exactly he was hired not the other way around!
You seem to forget that he deleted a LOONA ballad album which was ready to be released, and this made LOONA members upset to the point they don't talk about it nowadays. Although the company was trash, Jaden wasn't any better as he was described to be "hard to work with".
I like tripleS' music. And I like them so much to the point I'm worried about their future if they're under a company whose owner is basically someone who doesn't seem to think twice when it comes to people's effort.
@@ibetterbearoundyou He was forced too, wasn't his decision.
Well it’s not quite limitless cause we have 24 set members but limitless combos
The fact that BBC never had the capacity to hold such project as Jaden Jeong was trying to create with LOONA also had for consequences the drop of the 3rd album for Ladies Code. Little reminder for all of you that Jaden worked with Ladies Code after the tragic accident and helped them coming back as 3 members with a very solid project , thanks to 2 albums with songs such as Galaxy and The rain. BBC needed him fully invested for LOONA so he had to leave the girls sadly …. All of this for just nothing
Ashley from Ladies Code actually confirmed that the last part of the Healing Trilogy was recorded and they even had a choreography all ready when Jaden left. However, when the new A&R came, they decided to scrap the last part of the Healing Trilogy and made Ladies Code audition for Mixnine instead.
@@minxili3317 the audacity to make ladies code audition for this failed show. I would never be well again with this. The whole trilogy was a masterpiece
@@roadkam2584 Yeah I don't know what the new A&R was thinking but Jaden basically prepared everything for them to have a comeback before leaving but the new A&R did not like Jaden's idea which was why the last part of the Healing Trilogy got scrapped.
Those two Ladies' Code albums are the top kpop girl group works for me. No one can surpass those yet.
@@minxili3317 It's true, I know that Ladies Code really appreciated the whole trilogy work cause it was respectful and artistic. Sojun love those kind of projects... This new artistict direction by BBC and Polaris was just so dumb, people sometimes really don't know what's good in the industry
Jaden Jeong with TripleS is pretty much on the same route as Min Heejin with Newjeans, they finally get to create the group they always wanted.
its not the same tho cuz Heejin is literally a pedophile, ofc the group she wished to have was full of minors and a fresh concept cuz she likes KIDS
Funny thing is everyone hates those two people ijbol
@@retricallltann6243 People don't hate Jaden Jeong anymore, because it was BlockBerry who made him look like a jerk, but Min Heejin is kinda creepy
TripleS is the final version of Jaden Jeong’s project, it’s just factually true.
And what I mean by emphasizing that is that he has learned from previous mistakes and has now built an ecosystem (including the group members, the trainees, the trainers, the company as a whole with all the staff) that is now capable of subsisting and actually accomplish his project. Now let’s just wait and see how this turns out in the end.
(btw this comes from an orbit, I’m not saying previous projects were bad)
Rising and Generation became my fav songs in the first listen. They're amazing and have a new sound compared to other songs. The dance break us so cool too.
no they are good songs don’t compare things because then it just makes it seem like u being biased
Ikr!
Letting fans vote on what kind of sub-units to reveal will not please most if not all potential listeners. But they are making a stance to be different and experimental in that regard. So, that's a plus.
Be different on what lol, yall chose the new jeans clone song.
Hello! I just want to correct something, fans don’t get to pick the genre of subunits but they get to pick their members in a specific way that I’ll explain. They are also not completely free the chose the Title track for the full group comebacks, they get to choose between some songs submitted to them that they get to hear the intro.
The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At this time only 8 members were revealed)
We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) !
That way, the company still get control of the direction of the group so it doesn’t fall apart!
@@pengchaaa Hey! More than happy to get corrected. I read your entire message, and appreciate the group (and the producer) even more than ever. The process is so well thought out. The fact that fandom even got some say let alone any say in what comes out next is just so refreshing and a respectable move.
Yes, the other person explained it perfectly. I seem to notice a few comments here and there so it seems there is common misconception that fans are in control of everything. But yeah again the other person explained it perfectly.
@@joaquincollet4291 as Tokki and WAV Generation sounds nothing like a NewJeans song
The reason song B was chosen was cuz TripleS fans didn't want TripleS to be compared to other kpop groups. Especially when they are just starting out with so many people being against this group. From people being hesitant and saying this concept won't work out, to LOONA fans saying they are copycats of LOONA, fans thought it was the best to stay away from the other song snippets as it all sounded too similar to what other kpop groups have already released. Plus some of the songs didn't fit in the current trend of kpop. Yes, Rising may have sounded too similar to Generation but it worked in convincing some people that TripleS have their own identity. Many TripleS fans want TripleS to create their own identity first then venture into other sounds that other kpop groups use. That way they wouldn't be bombarded with hate from other kpop fandoms. Ironically, all the hesitation from other people from stanning TripleS and hatred from some people regarding TripleS's concept was exactly what LOONA went through during their predebut days. People were being hesitant in stanning LOONA even before this whole mess blew up in LOONA. History is literally repeating itself. (KR)ystal Eyes is the next subunit that will debut in TripleS after their Rising comeback. Hopefully they will give a different sound in this comeback.
For anyone who don’t know the Korean artist BIBI has a younger sister in the group acid angles from asia (triple S) her name is Kim Na-kyoung
It’s not the group aaa. The group is tripleS. Aaa was a temporary subunit and does not hold much meaning on its own anymore
@@nakynaki This! I guess it can be difficult to understand the way the group works at first ahah
BIBI is amazing!
I hope so, their music and content so far is top tier
The AAA mini album was forgettable, but once I actually reviewed and analysed it, the songs started being a bop! The Rising mini album is very unique! The Baddest has such a satisfying drop and New Look gives me Hi High vibes. I just need to get into Beam and Colorful more.
It's interesting to see you found ACCESS forgettable bc I loved it since day one. The album is well thought, and I love the way it's linked altogether.
But I can understand why, with only listening to random "songs" it can be not really impactful, especially as some aren't really "full" songs.
@@multinsomnia5455 I found AAA forgettable, not ACCESS.
for me new look kinda sounds like voice/star
@@radimgabaj4263 the "aaa mini album was forgettable"...??
@@tbdhk it's not now, but I found it forgettable the first time I listened to it
I never understood why Jaden was blamed for Loonas downfall, the time that he was overseeing them was my favorite era. Pre-debut was their most creative time. He also was overseeing OnlyOneOf, who I love. I have high hopes for tripleS, idk about him as a person but I think he has a great creative mind.
ofc he has a creative mind but someone have to pay for his ideas.
I don't think people were blaming him for his direction of loona, it's the opposite. Most people I've seen think that him leaving the group is the reason why loona started to fall, even if they don't like him as a person
idk what it is about triples' marketing and creative direction ... maybe it's the way swisse feel involved in the process by voting for the songs/subunits they want to see, and having an official discord server to interact with other fans. the company is always hosting events on the server and q&a sessions. i think all of these things make swisse feel like there's more transparency? of course it's a kpop company so there's probably stuff going on behind closed doors, but even making it seem like the company is transparent and in touch w the fans it makes the whole stanning experience different.
triples is not for everyone ig but if you get it, you GET IT.
btw loona/newjeans and triples sound NOTHING alike, when people say they do i have to wonder if we're seeing the same groups 💀
Hi i'm here as a triples stan so i might be a bit biased. Just let me say that modhaus is actually an great compagny with good costumer support. An example of this is when there was a problem with a fan jaden invite him to the headquaters to talk about his troubles, later putting an official statement and saying sorry for an wrong doing. I think this is of great importance for a group that is being led by fans. (Sorry for my bad english)
ASSEMBLE is my album of the year so far! And especially Colorful give me very much a Loona vibe.
I think they would have more of a potential if they stayed with this 10 member lineup. Definitely think they are still going to be popular with 24 members but idk just my personal preference.
I'm looking forward for them since I really loved Jaden's involvement for LOONA which made me love the group. I see the potential and actually kinda dig their concept 💙
I became a fan of the group after o heard generation. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it is the best debut song I have ever heard. Like it’s already my most played song on Spotify ever and it hasn’t even been out that long. Rising is amazing too and I just can’t wait to see the group get bigger
They have signature style in all of their releases so far, both in the music as well as in the MVs. And some people might be put off with their concept, but personally i love that they incorporate their fandom in their music & promotion cycle. They definitely have a potential to be big, as long as they are managed correctly.
What i'm worried the most about them is that MODHAUS (much like BBC with LOONA) doesn't have the necessary resource to support this kind of project for the long run. BBC has a large backing from its parent company, & even then they still failed. As far as i can tell, MODHAUS is an independent label with no large company backing them financially. And as we all know, groups like tripleS tend to not be popular amongst Korean fans, & in the kpop industry, you need Korean fans to be successful, both artistically & financially. Not saying global fans didn't contribute to a group's success at all, but it's Korean fans that contribute the largest potential factor for a group's success. Idk, maybe i'm wrong here, but that's how i see it based on past experiences.
Don’t worry too much because they came up with a very clever economic strategy that revolves around the NFT technology to make sure they make profit in addition to album sales and even outside comebacks (and here if you’re American you’ll freak out just by hearing NFT but don’t worry I’ll explain).
The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art.
Here, they use a not harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology where it’s basically an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too)
I can assure you that they already made a sh*t ton of money with this, and I hope they do have a very well prepared economic plan before releasing a 24 members group that promotes mainly into subunits! They need to feed the girls! hahaha
Let me introduce you to a tech unicorn called naver and an industrial conglomerate called CJ..
@@pengchaaa and the girls already getting paid because of this NFT photocard thingy.
They have a lot of investors from top Korean companies such as Naver's startup training organization, D2 Startup Factory, CJ E&M, SK Telecom, Hyundai, GS25, cosmetic labels, product placement sponsors, and more. Also, TripleS's Korean fandom is growing steadily and they were able to get a decent Korean fandom the moment they debuted because some members already had a fanbase prior to debut. All of these are things that LOONA never had. LOONA was mostly funded by international investors. No Korean investors. Their Korean fandom also seems weaker then TripleS currently. TripleS's mvs are actually getting a good amount of Korean comments. Compared to LOONA I don't see this at all. TripleS will be fine and I am not worried about their funding at all especially when they have so much investors backing them up. It's clear you don't follow this group.
i just wish that we looked at and respected K-pop groups individually and didn't compare them to any other groups whether they're in the same company or have similar concepts cuz it just leads to unnecessary fan-wars and arguments.
i can't wait for more music from them
like fr they way the vide is produced is so unique visuals, dance, place all of it is good
Personally, i think the AAA mini is good, and the new mini album with the 10 is absolutely amazing. I definitely hear the LOONA comparisons, but they're their own thing, too.
honestly, this situation sounds similar to gwsn and billlie. it would be cool if you would make an video on that because it’s crazy how gwsn and billlie are experiencing the parallels of loona and triples’s situation
I first heard of them from the Rising music video and I’m super new to kpop, So all this kpop back story lore about Loona and stuff is so interesting to me LOL a whole new world to explore
It’s super nice to see new Kpop fans!
As you just said, the world of Kpop is big, so as much as everyone will say you to check this group or that song here and there, the best way to discover Kpop is by checking out new things at your own rythme and staying open minded (because people in this community love to fight and spread misinformation xd)
If you have questions, especially about tripleS and LOONA, I can try to answer them!
They definitely remind me of LOONA mostly because of the amount of memebers they have, however there concept worries me a little. They basically have a concept that involves the fans deciding stuff like concept, song titles and possibly what members are gonna be in the comebacks. In theory this sounds great but it worries me the amount of power the fans are gonna have and how it's gonna affect the members mental health.
how is it gonna affect their mental health? Fan involvement is one of the key roles of the tripleS concept/system.
@@cobaltbluemaru you have alot of members and there is always gonna be favorites. I just don't want it to be like LOONA we're most of the attention was put on a few members and the rest get barely any lines or opportunities to shine. I just have a hard time thinking everyone will get a fair shot using this system
correction, the only concept fans can decide we're those things they present in the table. a fan who wants them to do NU METAL music can be ignored if that concept wasn't event in the voting poll in the first place
@@greghero7720 I guess that makes it a little better. I just hope all the girls get a chance to shine at least once and that they don't just promote some of them
Hello! I follow tripleS closely so might be able to answer your questions!
The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes.
We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) !
I personally think it’s a very clever way to get around those problems, if you have other questions feel free to ask!
Edit: I forgot to mention that when this voting took place, only 8 members were revealed so everyone got a subunit!
i will say that as of today there has been one voting for members for subunits,. Instead of choosing specific members for a subunit they gave us two members and we picked which subunit they would go in respectively,.(ie,. we were presented with seoyeon and nakyoung and we chose which would go to AAA and which would go to KrEyes).,I think if they continue doing the voting like this it will be fine as all the members will always be in a unit., but we'll just have to see
People who claimed "tripleS is LOONA 2.0" are either joking or nonfans who only see the headlines and probably don't listen much to songs from both groups
I think they made some great music so far I love their sound and style
I would say they would have been bigger if they were from hybe just like new jeans blown. Both have great music just company difference decided their success rate.
obv they didnt have big3 advantage but yk theyre gonna grow slowly and jaden seems to really love this group and his company so lets just wait and let them grow naturally
I mean yeah obviously? Any group coming from a big company like Hybe would find success MUCH easier and faster to achieve... But that doesn't rule out the potential for this group to make it big as well.
It also make the project more thrilling to follow as a fan, literally seeing it grow day by day on their CZcams channel!
I do find it ironic that the rooftop set at the end of rising is the same location as the end of Egoist. Just something I noticed. Probably is a thing because Jaden still has access to the connections he had before to the people who have the locations. So I don’t think it’s intentional
That's a location so many other kpop groups use though. Monsta X used it too...
That's a very popular, go-to mv location for kpop groups.
@@enixcheen5192 Yeah I don't think it's a connection thing. All you need is money, call the place, book a time and that's it
well, i'm also not a JJ defender, i just don't give a shit with all those non-sense things they had thrown at him in his loona years, all i care about is his vision and musical taste that attracts me to loona during that time, and i've miss that so much. discovering JJ stablish his own company to possibly continue/reimagine his vision for loona to his new girl group tripleS is all i care for.
I love LOONA so much and the amount of predebut preparation and hype they got just from releasing each member. I remember people even creating theories regarding the lore. Jaden really made a multiverse just for Loona and the releases revolve around it.
I do hope Jaden creates a similar Loona group, (I know people might disagree wit me) I just want to see how it is executed completely in a span of 7 years, a typical idol group contract. I just hope it becomes more established and also has better financial planning and group management. Loona was such a great lore, almost like a comic book series or a Genshin impact game where there is world building revolving around the 12 girls.
as an orbit i really like tripleS music, and even tho they remind me a lot of loona i still see them as a seperate group w their own identity!! will defo be streaming their music
Yes !! Yes !! Yes !! tripleS !! Their tracks are TOP-NOTCH !! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
They have also been doing daily vlogs since the first member was revealed in May czcams.com/play/PLTIkKNk8YL5supd2MHqwVVlAaSVQeyuMy.html
tripleS's Rolex and Charla are also stupidly good songs (imo, rnb and lofi lover here), Rising and Beam made me fanboy out of my mind but as i listened to the rest of the album, i got pretty disappointed. waiting for future releases because Generation and Rising got me screaming into my pillow for the first time since Bts's Run
It's not a group for everyone, but personally I love everything about their concept and system
im glad these comments came thru. jadens been a scapegoat for orbits for years when a lot of the problems at bbc have continued or gotten worse.
like think for a second: why would a creative director whos in charge of group concepts, lore, music selection, and lyric writing have anything to do w the legal process of their contracts. or what they eat. like really just think a second.
tripleS get a bad wrap because of stuff orbits made up to get mad about instead of actually learning about what happened. (and i say this as an ex-orbit).
if u can get music and videos from a lot of the same team carrying on the torch of loona while theyre somewhat defunct, wouldnt that be exciting? it is to me.
anyways i see a lot of groups actually taking from modhaus' playbook in the future, in the way loona was a trendsetter in their prime. jadens always just like a few steps ahead of the industry sometimes. he made a blogpost about how sometimes its more important to have a small but dedicated fanbase instead of appealing to everyone. i think this is true cos tripleS' concept alone confuses some ppl and might turn them away- but at the same time theres thousands of us ready to buy albums or vote in fan events called gravities.
i like the last part of your sentence. i was so confuse as well first but since i really like them, i don't mind learning about their concept
obviously not everyone’s super drawn to their music, but it’s easy to find people absolutely in love with it. idk, i just see them growing a solid fanbase in the years to come
Yes.
I feel like Modhaus has the capacity to house 3 or 4 groups, but they have tripleS and ARTMS instead. It's good, because we get some occassional content from ARTMS and lots of albums from tripleS
I loosely followed LOONA since their solo era and follow tripleS more closely, so it is just based on my general impression. LOONA gives a more ethereal and orderly vibe, whereas tripleS gives a more down-to-earth and orderless vibe. tripleS has more fan engagement aspects and not super lore-heavy. I do think tripleS is going to develop well given Kakao and Naver's investments and the international support from the NFT-incubator #hashed. They have no problem accessing music producers and other creative people in the industry. They started off with a lot of engagement with commercial sponsors and partnerships. Their business model involving objekts is already bringing revenue and getting the girls paid. I do not care if they become one of the top groups or not. They just need to be sustainable with a solid fanbase. Overall I think they are going to exceed my expectation.
The reason why TripleS' music sounds like Loona's, is actually due to Mono Tree.
Early Loona songs were made by Mono Tree, and Jaden is famous for working with Mono Tree. Overall, Jaden's concepts tend to be quite similar, before Loona, Lovelyz was supposed to be that "secret shadow" group, but yeah, that didn't happen, and Jaden moved to Polaris to work on Ladies Code singles Galaxy and Rain, that's why those two songs also have the "Loona feel" both musically and visually (Jaden + Mono Tree y'all). Then finally he started Loona, and then when shit hit the fan with BBC, he started YET another similar concept with OnlyOneOf, except here, the boys can co-produce the songs/choreo etc.
TripleS has a lot of potential, but I think the NFT part of it will flop hard, mostly due to the whole NFT thing being a temporary craze and I don't see it being applicable in the future. One thing he learned from the Loona project is that too many MVs too often = disaster. Loona pumped out an MV every month, for literally 18 months straight, only to enter "loona the draught" after Butterfly (no MV no activity for 1 year)... If things play out well, this group can become huge, but I feel the sheer number of members is going to cause massive cases of favoritism due to the voting system.
"only to enter "loona the draught" after Butterfly (no MV no activity for 1 year)" Yep and now guess when Jaden left? Exactly. BBC had no idea what to do with them since their creative mind left. People can say what they want but thanks to LSM they got the recognition they deserved.... after that long hiatus.
@@TomsMusicCorner Sadly yes, and at the same time it marked the "end of Loona", after JJ left, and LSM directed So What, the Loonaverse died, the old Loona sound died, and we got the mainstream stuff with bits and pieces of "loonaverse-mock up" imagery...
Sure I love Loona for the girls, but the reason why I started following them was thanks to the pre-debut, JJs Loona, Mono Tree sound and big brained Orbits.
LSM did contribute to their win, but that only shows how Korean public pay attention to "who" produced rather than the quality of the song - So What is honestly their worst title track, and no one can change my mind. 🥲
@@Miraiana It wasn't really an identity, it was like 3473485932 identities ^^. I liked the OEC era the most but also new and Egoist. Others liked 1/3, others only certain b-sides. Basically there was something for everyone but you can't say that there was a certain LOONA sound. It was more a movement, not a specific sound. A small company with budget was able to achieve something that previously only the big 3 were able to do (and groups like Monsta X). I think that was impressive. Unfortunately BBC failed to make a good job (breaches of contract, tax evasion, etc.).
Hello! I would like to just clarify some things and add some context here;
The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art.
(I know most people, especially Americans, freak out just by hearing the name NFT but they are just making big shortcuts)
Here, they use a not harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology to basically make an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too that I’ll explain down there)
If it wasn’t called NFT a lot of people would actually be more interested in this new system that also provides them sufficient remuneration for their project and for the members (yes they actually get paid).
Now for the voting system, it is actually very cleverly thought out.
There’s 2 types of votes, One where the fans get to chose the title track for the next full group comeback among a few songs submitted to them (that way the group doesn’t end up promoting a random ass song thanks to the preselection made by the company), and another one where fans get to divide all members into subunits (the wording is important)
You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, I’ll explain how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At this time only 8 members were revealed)
We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divide into the two units!
Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) !
A lot of misinformation gets spread out about tripleS and unfortunately medias are a big part of it (cf. the 100k sales thing lmao) so if I could help clearing out some of it it’ll be greatly appreciated, it’s a lot nicer when people just ask things instead assuming stuff!
(And btw, as an orbit I have to say I strongly agree with what you said about MonoTree and LOONA)
I don't think it's just Mono Tree, we have to include Jaden Jeong as well, cuz after Jaden left BBC, Mono Tree produced for other kpop groups but unfortunately none of those songs hit the same to me compared to the songs he worked with Jaden Jeong
good songs, i don't like the direct pressure of forcing fans to buy albums just if they want a certian combination of girls to stay together and the nft thing is also bad for the environment. I'll happily listen to the music cause I like the style but I don't think I can support them fully with the nft situation
Hello! I would like to just clarify some things and add some context here;
The NFT technology is a tool and isn’t necessary used to make scams relying on AI generated art.
(I know most people, especially Americans, freak out just by hearing the name NFT but they are just making big shortcuts)
Here, they use a NOT harmful to the environment version of the NFT technology to basically make an extension to classic photocards, and in addition to that, it gives fans the opportunity to vote for certain things that influences future comebacks (in a controlled way too)
If it wasn’t called NFT a lot of people would actually be more interested in this new system that also provides them sufficient remuneration for their project and for the member.
Now for the 100k sales goal to avoid disbandment that you’ve seen, that’s also not true.
tripleS is meant to promote in rotating subunits by their concept, every unit that is formed gets 1 release and then they will always "disband" because members are assigned to the next wave of subunits for the next promotions.
If 100k sales are reached during a subunit promotion, fans get a bonus mini album release from the same unit as a gift.
The girls are NOT by any mean pressured to reach 100k sales because subunits are meant to change in the first place and they enjoy trying different concepts with different members any time there’s a new wave of subunits!
A lot of misinformation gets spread out about tripleS and unfortunately medias are a big part of it (cf. the 100k sales thing lmao) so if I could help clearing out some of it it’ll be greatly appreciated!
None of us fans feel forced though, why are non fans making assumptions lol Us fans are actually okay with subunits disbanding. If they don't stay together then it's fine with us
Colorful was not forgettable and has so much LOONA vibes...
All up to preference but for me it’s pretty generic synth pop.
I'm a big fan of Loona and their music for years. I can see why other fans can say this is Loona 2.0. I don't think it's necessarily right, but a lot of it comes from nostalgia. I believe most people would agree that Loona's peak was really on their predebut to their Butterfly era. Knowing that Jaiden is also a part of the creative direction of triple S and that Rising is produced by the same person who made Butterfly and other of Loona's discoreography (MonoTree) makes it very close to home for Loona fans.
Is it fair to say that they could be the girl group version seventeen? 🤔 as a comparison
Seventeen is popular with their perfect synchronized dance, which tripleS is lacking for now, they're still in stage of revealing members and they're still halfway in that process, 24 members to be completed, and with that member amount comparison, we can consider them as the NCT female version, as they'll promote in sub units for most of their future releases
I sure wasn't expecting their main outfit to be street clothes and tennis shoes, but they sure came out with a bang! While tripleS does need some time to refine their vocals, their chemistry and dance skills are incredibly good for a debut!
actualy never listened to any of their songs. people say they are similar to new jeans so i am not really interested cause this type of music is not my fav. i also dont like groups with a lot if memebers so yeah they just exist fmbut thats it fir me haha.
The last weeks i also learned that the next big thing (leading in EVERY aspect) needs a supportive, bigger fandom and the gg's rn seem to lack that at the moment they rather have general listeners? (except a view). I could be wrong tho
People associated them with the “NewJeans style” because Generation was quite similar to that style, but they do have a bunch of different things. You might wanna check them out just by curiosity and you might like some of their songs!
Also “the next big thing” doesn’t necessarily need a large amount of dedicated fans in my opinion as long as they get “casual listeners” to actively support them.
tripleS is still an underdog at this time and are slowly building their fandom so there’s time anyway.
In addition, girl groups can build a massive fandom like Girls Generation did in the past and now how NewJeans are building a huge fandom really fast, in fact NewJeans could probably be “the next big thing” of Kpop internationally.
@@pengchaaa oh if thats the case then i will gladly check out their other songs! Maybe you have some recommendations?
Thats why i wrote in every aspect. In Kpop, if you want to win big, main awards you mostly (not always) need a big fandom that votes for you. You could say blinks dont vote a lot too and blackpink is at the top, but thats the point they are not leading in every aspect, thats bts cause of the fandom. I mean you could say Blackpink still has enough fame but then again thats why i said the next big thing .i wont say the next bts cause every group is its own but i mean in case of being the top kpop group after bts disbands (what propably will happen in 100 years haha). Just leading everywhere and being known as THE group. So when i saw the voting game of Tokkis i was a bit surprised. Its kind of...interesting how low their voting rate is. Also album sales count to a lot of awards now and if the general listeners dont like the new songs they wont buy the album, a core fandom already buys the album in preorders without knowing if they like the songs.
And the general listeners, if they find a new more interesting toy (group) they could easily throw you to the side and forget about you. Who will back you up then if not a big dedicated fandom?
i think both are important but what makes a group survive for a long time is a large core fandom.
So i would give New Jeans a view years but they could definetly be the new big thing. if their sound is still well liked in a view years, maybe they also will change their sound we dont know thats why i wouldnt be so sure with them being the next leaders. (Also Babymonster is about to debut. Lets see what happens haha)
but these are just my thoughts, as always i could be very wrong and in open for different view points.
@@5XKXNXA I see what you meant now and your vision of things is very interesting!
I still think that the reason BTS was so strong is because they managed to turn a lot of global listeners into their dedicated fans, including a lot of people who didn’t even listen to Kpop before!
Turning a global listener into a dedicated fan takes a few comebacks and that’s why I mentioned NewJeans which is starting to reach a lot of people outside of Korea too, if they manage to gain the heart of people who didn’t know Kpop before, they could possibly be the next big thing!
@@pengchaaaoh, thats a very good point too!
i mean if they turn the 21 M spotify monthly listeners into tokkis then i would say checkmate. They got it!
Was very nice to hear your viewpoint and i can now totally see where youre coming from.
The upcoming years will be super interesting i guess.
i ult both groups and i would love if people didnt forget jaden jeong literally lied about the budget for loona's project for clout and bragged about it on his blog. he also bragged/joked about hiding food from the members. ... so he is not entirely a saint. their music is similar cuz they have the same producer and jaden has the same idea for a worldview for all his works. im glad so far he hasnt been like that w tripleS and hopefully we can even see them together one day in music shows :D their musics are both amazing and deserve lots of support
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It only makes sense that an industry and audience that demands that every artist, every album, and every song have a concept (which by it's very nature can only serve as marketing as opposed to giving insight to what makes a song special) will also use a large paintbrush to describe tripleS as a LOONA 2.0 (just because of how the group is built up or the JJ flavor in the sound) or New Jeans copycat (just because of fashion cues or retroactively the intros of the Generation and Ditto videos). Anyone who is more music fan than kpop stan can find (or dismiss) the nuances that make any song unique and likable, regardless of any similarities to anything else. That being said, I had AAA on constant repeat from day 1 because it appealed to the taste I acquired being an orbit. Unfortunately I'm gonna have to give Assemble some time to have any impact on me. The hook for Rising got me but it didn't lead me anywhere.
I think they can be next LOONA. no popularity in Korea but some in overseas. They cannot compete with other 4th gen gg.
why? bc theyre from a small company?? I think they deffo have the chance to be on par with groups like stayc or kep1er
No Popularity in korea💀 triple s especially aaa did well in korea with generation did you see how well it charted yes the album sales were low but that's only because they were from a small company and just debuted and nowadays people stream more than buy albums especially with small groups
@@princessaroyale they literally debuted with 90 on bugs??
I like New Look quite a bit but nothing close to Generation
For me New Look has the odd dilemma that it's pretty generic synth pop, which means it's both simultaneously very good and also very boring and I couldn't bring myself to like it very much, if it had some tweaks it would be an easy 8/10 or higher.
nothing can top generation bro that shit was insane
@@Taejiu yeah I just listened to everything once so far. Time will tell what sticks. I thought Rising was pretty non descript for a title track but it could change.
24 members?? Did I hear that correctly?
Yes
most likely they will not promote all 24 member at the same time. It's more like NCT or AKB units
They will promote with all 24 members once every year. At the end of 2022 there were only 10 members revealed so that’s why their are 10 members in this debut, so next year how ever many members are revealed by the end of 2023 then will be included in the comeback/ debut.
I thought they will be something big but they did not chart they only debuted 90 on bugs kpop stans always hype them when they hate on Newjeans but they don't really support but idk we will see in the future
Seems like you have no idea how immensely difficult it is to chart on Melon and etc if you are from a new company. People are so used to seeing the big 4 company groups chart all the time they forget everyone doesn't have the same privilege. No matter how much some fans say "it's their talents that made them popular" it is not true at all. No matter how much talent you have if you want to make a significant impact in the music industry you have to be from a big ass company. (The BTS rags to riches thing is extremely rare and will not happen to everyone)
@@hibeautym yep
they're giving loona vibes for some reason so I instantly considered stanning them
if you are delusional yes
pls react to girls never die !!!!!
I really loved the new album. However looking at their live performances, I think they need more time to develop their individual personas. Cause right now it’s giving practice room
That's the whole point lmao they weren't supposed to be that polished, the first member introduced aren't even that trained so much yet. Their concept is as they are longer exposed to the kpop scene, they get better and better.
i completely agree with the user above me + i think it might also have just been partly debut nerves. but im sure theyll improve a lot over the era
I agree with the first person
@@enixcheen5192 I guess. But when other groups debut with a similar sound (which they will) what’s gonna sell better; a group that’s already good or a group that will eventually get good?
But they need someone as good as Seo Dahyun. Mayu not even reach that level.
Come on, Jaden.
Disagree with the stuff regarding Jaden. Olivia Hye herself said that he would only let her debut if she lost 13 pounds in one week. Her mom confirmed this story as well. Jaden also stole some food that Yves ordered and then bragged about it on his Instagram account. He was at least in some part responsible for the starvation diets they endured, and considering a lot of the tripleS members have talked about dieting in their vlogs I highly doubt he has changed his ways for the better.
For me personally, there's always something incomplete about their music that stops them from being great
For 'Generation', everything about the song was perfect; songwriting and production wise. What brings the song down tho is it's incomplete song structure. They don't even need a bridge, but they could've at least added a second verse in there. Seriously, if they just "finished" the song, this could be one of the greatest debut songs I've heard in kpop, maybe even up there with 'Hype Boy'.
For 'Rising', the songwriting was not as good as their previous release, but it was still great nonetheless. The chorus was kinda catchy, and the second verse went HARD. My biggest problem with it tho is the mixing. Their voices are SO buried in the mix that I almost could not hear them singing. I know the production slaps, but the vocals should always be in the forefront of the song, at least in a song like this.
I see a lot of potential in Triple S but they're not quite there yet. I really hope they perfect their music with their next comeback.
The rise of social media flat form like tiktok is to blame with that decision as they must have realized that short video content can easily be consumed now these days with the right opportunity and strategy for promotion
I think the concept is intriguing but also not that great. You have to make sure EVERY member has immense popularity and you are now making them compete with not only the other companies but within their own. There will be 1-2 members maybe more, who will repeatedly not get voted in the sub unit groups, and it will happen often. They will only participate in full TripleS releases like ASSEMBLE. Unless there are rounds where members are selected to be voted for then refresh the selection next sub, but even then it can happen. It will for sure drive these trainees to work extra hard and when they do get selected they will show nothing but skill because they are constantly going to have to train to prove to the public they deserve to be in the current sub. ALSO I do not support their use of NFTs. I get it and why they would want to do so but it costs too much energy resources to produce and keep up.
Uhmm do you know how they were voted specifically in the sub-units? For sure I know its not a popularity voting 😊
Fans where chosen combinations of the members and that’s how we vote them, not individually. Ex. Choice A is Girl 1 will go to Sub-Unit A and Girl 2 will go to Sub-Unit B, then Choice B is that you switch the girls, Girl 1 will go to Sub-Unit B and vice versa. With this, all members will go into sub-units. No one will be left out.
Hello! To complete what @COBALT BLUE MARU said I’ll provide the example of the first two units and how their members got decided!
The voting system is actually very cleverly thought out! You don’t pick members out of everyone to make a subunit, you have all the members split into subunits, so that no one gets left out that way. To make it more clear, let’s get how the first 8 members got assigned to the two first subunits, Acid Angel from Asia and +(KR)ystal Eyes. (At the time this voting took place, there was only 8 members revealed so everyone got a subunit)
We first got to hear a snippet of both songs to get the vibe of both unit and only then the voting took place. 2 by 2, members out of the 8 were proposed to us to divid into the two units! Example: we first got to choose between Seoyeon and Nakyoung, this means they’ll both get assigned a unit but cannot get in the same one (could be used to spread popular members into different units later). In the end Nakyoung got voted into AAA and Seoyeon into +(KR) !
I personally think it’s a very clever way to get around those problems, if you have other questions feel free to ask!
if you're worried about how the nfts are harming the environment etc, the blockchain they run on is actually carbon neutral and working to become carbon negative
This seems to be a common misconception of triples’s voting system, the user above^ explains it perfectly.
Similar concept to nct
Female version
1:10 when I heard his name I audibly went ew 🫠
Lmao I remember when AAA generation was released i saw it when it was barely released like 1min, i just got on yt and misclicked then i listened to, personally i didnt like generation but i did like charla, but I remember voting for rising which is why am happy, even tho i dont stan them, also personally, i like rising, the baddest, and new look.
Lol how can you say you dont stan them if you're able to vote rising in their grand cosmo event for ot10 title track? getting that far in tripleS fandom is some hardcore dedication, unless it's just your preferred song rooting for?
@@gregherosec.9553 just the song, tbh, other than that i dont know much lmao, i just listen to the album and continue with my day. Same with ateez, i listen to all there music and thats all since am subscribe to both, i see the post and read them, other than that i just listen. but i do see alot of post by stan channels (idk what to call them) which do updates on rewards and such.
we appreciate the effort, thanks!
It's way too soon to call something like this. Rising is a fine song, but I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever. Maybe the best song of the week... but it's only Tuesday afternoon as of writing this, and Purple Kiss is comeback tomorrow. I enjoyed the song for what it was and thought the Pizza scene in the MV was cute... and that's all I really took away from all of it. It's fine, they're fine, and I need to see more before I form a better opinion.
some of the title songs are great. but I hate the quantity over quality gimmick concept. no i won't support half baked 2 dozen girl group nor cherry pick some good ones but then rotated again and again. dozens only work for donuts not girl/boy group.
People need to stop with whole Loona 2.0. This group doesn't have the vocal talent or performance ability to be compared to Loona. Hopefully with more time they can improve those aspects
Yea TripleS is more similar to AKB48 and the Jpop idol system instead where idols debut with imperfect skills and fans watch them endearingly improve their skills. This is not even close to LOONA's concept at all.
@@minxili3317 Oh I agree. The only thing they have in common is that they both worked with Jaden. But even that isn't something unique. As someone who hasn't been playing close attention to them, hopefully in the future the company does more to make the individual members stand out. At least with Loona they all had their own individual colors, animals, and MV's.
They have the vocal talent and the performance ability, if your trying to say they aren’t on the same scale as Loona or something like that is different. They just debuted and most of them come from having no experience as a trainee.
@@viceroy2672 I can’t fault you on this since you said you don’t pay attention to them, but the way they’re being revealed gives fans time to learn about them and that helps them individually, also the members do have their own colors. When they release signal episodes that showcases the members talents, that goes towards helping them stand out individually. While I agree with not seeing the similarity to Loona besides the way they are slowly being introduced (minus the solo song), individually each member does stand out. Hope that helps you understand.
@@pinkstrwbxrry4400 Thanks for the response. My perspective is from someone on the outside with little knowledge. And just from the title track MV's. By standing out I mean they all wear similar colored clothes and dark hair styles. I can't point to one individual member. "Like who's the girl with the red shirt and blonde hair" that's what I mean by standing out
For NOSRUN, no.
mention jaden jeong and don’t mention OnlyOneOf like that isn’t his biggest project? like what
The pattern in this group is crazy, from concept to music (genre) is predictable, the music they released existed before. Kpop is really trying to be more on general public (doing the safe option by releasing the most generic pop song in the US back in early to late 2000's).
So kpop should start releasing some opera style music or even reviving a dead NU metal genre to surprise fans like you 🤣
Tbh I wasn’t really a big fan of Loona music direction, from all their title tracks I only liked hi high and butterfly, and I have been really enjoying tripleS for what they’ve shown so I don’t really see a similarity between their sound. And I don’t believe they are going to be huge, since loona is already at the example I see them having a similar popularity, Loona was not huge, was not breaking big records nor making a huge amount of money, a mid size group that was able to push their company, thats what I see for tripleS
I mean the reason why you probably only like Hi High and Butterfly is because those were the only 2 full group releases that Jaden Jeong (CEO of Modhaus) creatively directed
@@orbitwav So let’s go jaden slay king
@jjknovacane well I wouldn't necessarily call him a "king".. Yeah his music and creative direction is phenomenal but I wouldn't let that excuse his poor treatment and abandonment of previous projects (Loona, ladies code, onlyonof etc.) Whilst there's been obvious improvements towards his treatment for tripleS, as they are getting paid and seem generally happy, I'd still be cautious and not view him as some saint.
@@orbitwav you need to read that reddit thread the author of this video talks about, it was in a link, cause you my friend were completely misunderstood thing about JJ, the magician, if not a king 😅
@GREG HERO 77 Look, I do agree some things people blame JJ for were out of his control. However, I will not accept people completely turning a blind eye to his faults and making excuses for everything bad he has done. He is not a saint, nor is he a devil. People should just be aware and cautious before supporting any CEOs/company leaders.
So... first they're copying NewJeans and now loona? Kpop stans make me laugh
Edit: y'all in the comments need to understand that this comment was sarcasm, I totally hate the fact that they're comparing these groups
Wouldn’t say they are copying either, their sound takes clear inspiration from the newtro sound nj uses. And their concept is literally just another Loona (the creative director made Loona)
How they copying loona when the person behind them is the exact person who directed the loona concept only thing they copying here with newjeans is having a extremely hated ceo being jaden Jeong and min heejin
Girl whatever
SONG A OR F should’ve won, s tier title tracks, yall dont want them to be called the newjeans clone and yall chose the clone.
Song A will have a controversy because the same sound from IZ*ONE, maybe it's same producer. Song F could been releases that in summer.
But I hope they would be title track in future releases
I don't think Rising sounds like any new jeans song.
@@johnsproperty5631 It is the same producer, IZ*ONE's producer came out and admitted this
music, members and concept are just okay, nothing special and forgettable.
but you are here...
1:10 when I heard his name I audibly went ew 🫠 I don’t hate him as a person i just feel like he puts art above all else and doesn’t care about if the idols will get paid for their work of the company will get in debt because at least with loona there was no way that they were ever going to pay off the debt he put them in and he pretty much help fucked over bbc and loona
TripleS are already getting paid
you clearly never took time to understand the situation, tripleS is already living in houses that even the big3 aren’t able to provide for their rookie groups and they are given credit cards for their daily expenses. as for loona the man was only the creative director, he was paid (i’m not even sure if he was atp) to do his job, the finances of the company were not his responsibility. after the disagreement with bbc he managed to save loona’s brother group (OnlyOneOf) from the same fate and he’s still working with them and the members themselves are happy to work with him. he cares for the artists he works with but he isn’t a martyr, compared to other people in the industry he’s more than fine
@@elenapicco1412 finally someone who understand the situation
theyre already getting paid
He would’ve had no control over the Loona members getting paid, the reason they are in debt and haven’t been getting paid is because of their contracts. The contracts which were made by the company (BBC) not the creative director (Jaden).