Population Control In StarCraft II | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2022
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The supply block challenge ironically gets self countered when you are winning and kill enough stuff to un supply block them
lol my thoughts esp in the first game
The victory condition is to kill all your opponents buildings. Killing units is for chumps.
I can't believe the content keeps pumping out even with the deep Valencia run. This man doesn't sleep
Keeping the routine might help with the mental state in tournament play?
I believe that's the shirt he was wearing while streaming earlier today, so it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that this is fresh off the ladder content.
Or maybe he recorded this video before the dream hack?
I think he has a good team around him that help also!
I mean, that's about 1h of recording for this video (i'd assume). He probably does 2-3 episodes each day (would be 3-4h of recording) and then is golden for 2-3 days of uploading.
Love how after sniping 18 pylons your opponent was still only 5 seconds supply blocked longer than you :) nice challenge keep it up :)
Indeed! ;) Please subscribe to my challenge, I upload once every 5 years!
Sure, but how many minerals did they have to dump into constantly keeping their supply up that they otherwise could have allocated to their army?
@@jordananderson2728 not enough obviously lol ;)
Since the pylons were needed to produce, it was a production block instead...
Almost definitely some of the other grand masters you play against get you as an opponent and have that "Oh no is he playing for real or doing something stupid" moment, and I love it.
I suggest you make a challenge in this series where the whole game is mind games. So for example your factories get scouted> you cancel and build barracks, drops with empty medivacs, proxy base far on the map ...
Great way to lose some more mmr xD
@@radovancertik8421 nvm, sounds rly funny tho, great idea. esp harstems commentary will be great lol
Nuke some random corner of the map multiple times to scare the opponent.
Nuke your own army to confuse the enemy
That first protos probably saw you killing off his 2 pylons, realised what you were doing, then overbuilt pylons to componsate. Thats very clear after you hit his artosis pylon and shut down the 4 gates.
Would love to see this against Zerg and see balloon poping the entire time
same here, plz repeat challenge till hit at least one or even 2 zergs
Protoss probably the worst to do this against. No worker commitment to rebuilding supply
I was thinking the same thing. With zerg it costs a larvae, minerals, and maybe an inject. And the overloads are relatively easy to snipe since their air units.
You should use the sentries to fake a really common attack. Like 3 Oracles, do a fly by without attacking and then leaving the opponent paranoid about the possible presence of 3 oracles in the corner of the map for the rest of the game.
I always wondered if things like this work. Would be awesome to see :D
Make one real oracle to do some damage and make him belive they are actually real
@@1.-ulysses334 yeah that would be more convincing but then you'll need a whole stargate while he's probably massing blink stalkers.
@@Trazynn All protoss go skytoss eventually so It isn't really a problem.
How do I watch every one of his videos despite the fact I haven't played StarCraft in like a decade.
Popped up for me after not playing for a decade as well. Now I'm stuck watching again.
I’ve never played post WoL yet here I am
@@mghi5416 you missed out
@@mghi5416 I only startrd 3 months ago, but I just tried old maps vs ai, game has changed a lot. Much better now.
BGMWSS:
Intel offline- this is a very wide open and fun one, and each game can vary wildly. The whole goal is simply to confuse your opponent to the maximum, making them think you are doing one thing when really you’re doing another. Anything goes when it comes to this trickery.
Here are some basic ideas:
Hallucinations
Tech switching
Fake proxy/Fake cannon rush
Fake warp prism
Fake all in
Fake macro into real all in with perhaps a fake 3rd expansion
Perhaps one real Phoenix with a fleet of fake ones, then warp prism and blink stalker all in, blocking your opponents base
Anyway, you get the picture. Trick your opponent into scouting one thing, then do another. Get creative captain, make it a good one 🥳
might as well call it 'fake it till you make it'
Ya true, I like that name a lot!
"Sometimes in order to kill more pylons in the future, you need to be happy with less pylons right now"
That`s how civilization was born. You unlocked delayed gratification
Blind Rage - You have to attack without retreat an enemy as soon as unit see it in its vision range.
sounds nice too but I dont think this will work on GM level
Matriarch Vorazun has been impressed with your recent run and has appointed you Dark Prelate Harstem with control of the Nerazim. Beat your opponents with void rays and dark templar. You may build any combat unit you wish up to 6 min but after that only voids, dark templar, warp prisms, and observers.
And what about stalkers?
And what about stalkers?
I think it would make it too much like a regular game. Originally I wanted to call this build NA douchebag. But I thought the Nerazim would add a nice narrative.
Loved Harstems play this last tournament, did not know he was that good with his stalker and pheonix micro; as well as the disruptor micro and vision being good as always. Crazy good macro games in PvT too (something I am absolutely terrified of and try to never reach as a toss who sucks with air).
harstem rly has top notch stalker and disruptor micro, unfortunately players like clem and serral also have such a perfect split micro so disruptor play gets quite canceled by them. see the difference heromarine to clem
@@alpha-cf2oi Yea Clem really dismanteled Harstem a couple times despite there being a game that was pretty close in my mind; I think Clem is too good for most people in a game where the momentum is not seized from him early, he just does too much damage while expanding off of it in my opinion. Serral is in the upper part of the top 3 players in the world (Clem not being far behind) being the world champion, no shame in that loss of course.
I have an idea for a challenge: Open Source
You have to write in the in-game chat everything important that You are planning to do. Like changing unit composition, proxing, dropping and attacking in general (including directions!), building 2'nd 3'rd etc base and so on. Inform enemy at the moment when You come up with an actual idea.
Chat challenges are considered by Harstem as bad sportsmanship
You lost at 24:35. As soon as you kill the critters, you get cursed. It's super bad luck.
The classic panda bear guy curse.
I loved how at minute 24:33 you exploded the NPC hahaha I do that too sometimes but not at that speed.
Hey cap, I’ve got an challenge for you,
I’ll call it “capture the base” or something.
This is when you build multiple warp prisms and doom drop your opponents main,
then build cannons and batteries using the prisms, and take it from there.
Maybe some force field on the ramp, or anything you find fancy.
sounds fun, like drop into main forcefield ramp and takeover base, vs Z and T obv ofc
@@alpha-cf2oi would surely work against p with some disrupters i think
Especially because the stalker disrupter comp is played so often,
and these units are exactly what you want when you want to take over someone's main
@@haruks7633 I meant bc of recall, unless u snipe nexus very fast ofc
@@alpha-cf2oi I think you could easily hit disrupter shots in that case, and that should kind of get you into an ok position I believe
I believe your audience was really requesting the population control vs zerg, because it's the most satisfying to watch. Might do it again with zerg only!
yes I strongly agree
and also it makes most sense vs zerg bc they rly get in trouble bc having to use the larva for overlords then (and see them popping ofc lol)
When you say “stalker stalker” instead of “2 stalkers”
Watching harstem play sc2 is a good way to get solid life advice
Regardless of how the games go, you're a winner for wearing that shirt!
hahaha my thoughts lol
Have a race-specific challenge for each of the 3 matchups you could have. This would allow you to hit some challenges that you would not be able to otherwise.
Zerg: target tech buildings so they can't build anything useful. Alternatively, you can do a challenge where you snipe queens
Protoss: somehow kill that one worker that stops the adepts from shading in, and then shade adepts in.
Terran: Terran players think they're so tough with their drops? Doom drop the Terran player
Doom dropping with Protoss sounds awesome!
And then shade adepts in adepts shade
"Please, please, PLEAAAASE! I'm sorry for screaming; it won't happen again."
Kevin Koning 2022
get out of jail free card exists, it's called a presidential pardon.
I got Diamond 1 with no queen mass hatch muta ling bane. Taking third base on 18 and fourth around 2:30. Doubt it would work vs. GM's but would be fun to watch. You get lot's of spare APM with no inject/creep spread (obviously a bad build but fun to play). Thanks for being a SC2 Legend @Harstem!
Love this series! I think a cool a cool episode idea would be special operations. The goal would be that you can harass and do what’s necessary to take out workers, however your goal is to scout and primarily ambush your opponents armies. Emphasis on scouting and countering more than aggression or normal map control!
The captain always with the spiffy shirt. Man’s got some swagger!!!!
Great video Harstem. Really needed a Zerg matchup though
20:50
In the US you have a presidential pardon that is literally the equivalent of them get out of jail free card in monopoly
This is one of my classic favorite strategies since the earliest days if SC1.
Best against Zerg as doing so also takes away a lot of larvae.
Supply block isn't also necessarily limited to the early game - once you've got an even or upper hand mid or late game it can be used to really stunt someone in many circumstances... I've watched so many casts where it could've been done to crushing effect.
Wonder if we'll see if in more high level matchups in the future.
Thanks for the lovely stuff !
Captain, what if you had to use an infestor to steal one of the enemy workers and make an army of their units to use against them?
Obviously you would need to make zerg units early, but try to get Neural as quickly as possible and transition smoothly into an army of the other race.
Surely this would make for a truly legendary BGWSS
It was done before. Maybe 10 years ago.
@@kozatas so, before LOTV? Time to do it even better lol
Harstem could we get a silly video that compilates all (or a bunch) of your funny reactions you do all the time, like the "what? :o" in 17:46
The free card metaphor lol
Bro, I salute you for still playing this game. Thank you for your service.
Must say even though you lost in the semi's vs Clem, you made us proud Captain. On top of that none stop high quality content you put out each day much appreciated.
please do that one again lol; was fun to watch
Proud of you keep at it love watching you play.
"So, we're just going to start the pissing off back home project already right now."
HELLO there CAPTAIN; nice Tropical Shirt you were there. GOOD LORD, Content machine and even getting like best dressed SC2 CZcams / Streamer, in Europe. Goddamn!
Stellar shirt my friend!
the real life "get out of jail card" is called being filthy rich
Captain is a mustache away from being the Dutch Magnum PI
This was a good one. TY!
Harstem I don’t play sc2 at all but I watch you and a few others, I’ve been thinking this spec . Glad to see it
I really loved the first 8 seconds of the video haha idk why but I found that hilarious
Hey Harstem! I have an idea for stupid stuff: upgrade hunter/hunt for enemy's upgrades. Just destroy enemy's upgrade building. When enemy's upgrades are processing, you will say hello and your army destroys/cancels opponent's upgrades. I think it's easy to do if your race will be protos or terran. At the end of game opponent's attack /armor upgrades should be 0/0
P. S. Sorry for my English
I have a very stupid idea for BGWSS: Broodwar Pathfinding.
You have to try to mess with your opponents pathfinding by blocking certain ramps / paths / whole areas of the map with buildings, ideally outside of his vision.
It will count as major success if you make his main army move the wrong way for a couple of seconds in the correct moment, e.g. by closing a pre-prepared wall at the exact right time.
This will probably neither work nor be any fun. Good luck!
Great challenge & video.
My dearest captain, it would pleasure us all so fantastically if you did a 3v3 team game against uThermal where the other teammates leave the game and you control one of each race against him playing one of each race. You’ll need 4 more hands btw
There are mods which allow you to do something like that. At least for two races at a time
I love this series.
Haha it's been too long since I watched your shenanigans Harstem
the jail free cards is an abstraction for the real life connections and corruptedness some people have.
I feel like focusing down supply structures or even Overlords if they're piled up is really underrated.
Protoss builds a lot of Pylons of course, but they aren't often going to be crazy over supplied and sniping a few pylons to prevent production can often supply block as well. Terran often has their supply depots in easy to hit locations such as part of walls or on the edges of the main bases.
Overlords are a bit weird because if the Zerg has larva they can easily build Overlords again, but they're still 100 each and can be EASILY sniped with the right units.
I am a lot lower MMR, I'm sure if I enjoyed 1v1s I could be plat or diamond, but I've won games against players in these ranges by not overlooking the opportunity to snipe say 3 overlords, or if I do a drop and pick some workers, instead of chasing down 2 or 3 more workers I take the chance to just blast 3 or 4 supply depots instead since they're even further from the units coming to defend.
this guy
certified gamer who i enjoy wathcing
Ur time is gold 19:00 depot sniping
At 26:30 i thought i was watching Diablo 1 and he talked to Gharbad the Weak.
Has there been a worker rush BGMWSS? I don't really play multiplayer but I would imagine this would entail proxying your 2nd Nexus/cc/hatch close to your opponent to reinforce.
Might not satisfy the "beating" requirement but it certainly qualifies as stupid stuff
Hey Harstem, hear me out...
Reapers are secretly OP beyond the first few minutes. Why? Reaper + medivac drops! Not a single grandmaster player will expect a strategy that was secretly OP all along, but never used. Get the medivac upgrade for extra harass potential and have some fun blasting enemy workers to bits.
Think it's a good idea for BGWSS?
You can call the challenge: Reapers creepers.
I don't know why, but that's the first thing that popped up in my head.
What about building structures on opponents mineral lines to block them from mining?
You remembered to check supply capped time this time!
everything is an artosis pylon for this crazy man.
You're a content MACHINE!
love the shirt cap. a true ocean man
The real life version of a "get out of jail free card" is called being rich and influential, and happens quite frequently unfortunately... 20:34
Great idea for a video. In the last game if you kept the two Immortals alive I think you could have won. But then again the hole plan is a gamble.
I played only the campaign and didn't touch multiplayer yet i like to watch your content / pros games
The moral victory and embarrassment afterwards after sacrificing an immortal/stalker to kill that last pylon 😂😂
20:36 There is a get out of jail free card in real life. Its called having alot of money
NO RUSH 10 MINUTES! You have to announce it at the beginning of the game.
24:33 are you doing that intentionaly to provoke lowko? coz if you are it's hilarious 😂
So, I've been wondering when watching this game: Wouldn't a battery in that "T" intersection between the natural and third base make a lot of sense? It would protect your army while still being close to both bases, and heavily hinder the opponent from attacking into that intersection, since they either have to get by the battery (and standing army), or rotate around to attack from the south, leaving the natural more protected.
A battery there wouldn't be near a Nexus, which means no Super-battery and worse starting energy. It doesn't contribute enough to actually defending.
What about building macro nexai for supply instead of pylons. Only build the Artosis Pylons and wall everything off the macro nexai. Then make a gas heavy army like archon oracle and high Templar. You can’t build another pylon until the last pylon is completely full of buildings
In 1st game you probably were more supplyblocked than he was
I really want to see the mine walk cheesiest man alive again
I know this isn't the series to suggest it, but I'll start consistently requesting it
It seems like taking out pylons is really good - Harstem, 2023
Yeah, if you de-power 5 gateways during a push, it's pretty good 🤣
Is it possible to do an Overlord generate creep spine crawler rush? Basically the Zerg version of a cannon rush or bunker rush?
It is possible but generally unfeasible, because you need a lair to be done to generate creep and it also takes ages for spines to go up. A more feasible idea is to proxy hatch, make spines and a queen at the proxy base, and then spread creep to your opponent's wall so that you can walk the spines over. Rogue did this to Creator in the GSL final. Bly also did it to Neeb in one of the most entertaining games of sc2. It's a fairly common cheese
@@ericlim7363 Yeah, that is a good game, the problem is that since you need a hatchery, it's much more of a commitment from the Zerg compared to cannon rush or bunker rush.
I can't believe there was no joke at all about wearing a condom
Missing the PiG level of energy
It would be funny to see harstem play 4v4 ladder
Being supply-blocked just forces you to spend your money on upgrades...
20:18 I would count that second game a decent strat. Since I dont know much about SC2 the best I can compare it to would be AoE 2 DE. This is like when someone does a tower rush, or even a Persian duche (deleting the OG TC and rebuilding next to OP TC since Persians have higher hp on their TC) its how you can win quick games. idk how much MMR you get for something like that but in a tourney I can see that being used in like a best of 5 or something
a better AoE example would be when your oppenent lames your boar or stealing your sheep.. thus delaying your feudal time which can put you pretty far behind if you dont react quick enough or if you're not pushing deer as well
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
So basically assume you are being proxied, and just build a robo anyway.
I love it!!!!! Yesssss!!!! Evolve the meta!!!!
Hello, everyone..? Oh, there we go 🤣
This one put a smile on my face. Its just such a stupid idea. I wonder if it would be possible to get a passifist win with this strat, just by annoying your opponent to tab out
This guy is definitely talent, that's all i can think of.
what yall think: Shift clicking every move (amove and skills too) theres no undoing, if you missclicked move into enemy you cannot undo so you have to be careful and move your units with small movements
"get out of jail" card basically means u have the "connections" to the people in power like politicians and so on, thus judges too so u wont get sentenced even if everyone knows ur guilty, esp in 2nd world countries and works very well there to say the least lol
Yeah, we have lots of jail-free people of Erdogan in Turkey. I guess we can safely call Turkey 180th-world-country, considering how many criminals the minister of domestic affairs has photos with.
Nice shirt Kevin.
Double upgrade Battlecruiser rush. Firs one should have 1/1, third one almost 2/2.
This was unironically how I used to think was the best way to win games when I first started playing against the AI and in the solo Campaign.
Zerg are hybernating
BGMWSS idea: battery rush powered by proxy nexus in their natural or 3rd
Not gonna lie, I had so much trouble with your base skin I kept thinking you were playing starcraft 1 not 2 and it took me way too long to relise it was just a skin lol
I love that Harstem is a big Eminem fan 😂💯
Didn't know Pete Davidson plays SC2
u should try drone rushes
Funniest sc2 title I've seen
Waz the deal with the dog walking around?!?!?