Der hölle rache - Best comparison EVER!!!

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  • @gree.1596
    @gree.1596 Před rokem +17

    Oldschool (golden age) Coloratura sopranos as Tetrazzini, Nezhdanova, Hempel, Catley... always have power in every note they sing, whether low notes or high notes, staccato or sustained notes

  • @gonzalocuadra8657
    @gonzalocuadra8657 Před rokem +34

    A Queen of the night contest without Florence Foster Jenkins is not a real contest 🤭

    • @fabiana.4640
      @fabiana.4640 Před rokem +5

      She is the cherry on top of this cake 😂

    • @opera.turkiye
      @opera.turkiye  Před rokem +4

      You are right. It's overlooked. I think I'll delete the video and edit it again :)

  • @stefanoferrari8781
    @stefanoferrari8781 Před rokem +8

    Interessante questo contest, con voci di artiste che non conoscevo... Io ho sentito in teatro Deutekom, Serra, Gruberova e Popp, tutte bravissime: ma la bionda olandese, vera voce di drammatico d'agilità mi lasciò un' impressione incredibile... E l' ho sentita anche in Puritani, Nabucco, Lucia di Lammermoor... W la Deutekom, voce portentosa !!!

    • @jimbuxton2187
      @jimbuxton2187 Před 8 měsíci

      Schwarzkopf said Deutekom would practice it a third higher on the dressing room. You need to have at least a minor third above to sing this role. That's why sutherland and sills had problems with this role!

  • @manchestervermont3777
    @manchestervermont3777 Před rokem +12

    Very interesting comparison. Not Sutherland's best. Deutekom and Popp were always my favorites in this role. Maria Ivogün was a revelation.

    • @ofiammasoave
      @ofiammasoave Před rokem +1

      I agree❤

    • @bayanimartin3785
      @bayanimartin3785 Před 4 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/LAZCE-h9qBk/video.html - Joan Sutherland's 1962 recording of the aria.

  • @bahramg.1614
    @bahramg.1614 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I was so surprised by Frieda Hempel's rendition, I had to listen a few times. A great compilation! Thank you for posting!!

  • @fabiana.4640
    @fabiana.4640 Před rokem +7

    Excellent recopilation!
    Many are missing, though:
    Wilma Lipp as somebody correctly noted above. She sung many of these difficult Mozart roles (such as Konstanze).
    Beverly Sills, she also sung the role,
    Eda Moser (remember that her recording of this aria went to outer space in the Voyager I, so it will be the version that ETs will hear some day, if they have ears of course 😂)
    Maria Galvany, a recording of 1906 where she adds more notes to the score, accelerates the tempo in the staccatos and includes a cadenza at the end of the aria, sounds strange but very funny 😂😂😂)
    Lily Pons, of course.
    (And I'm sure there are more that aren't coming to my mind just now)

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem

      Sills hated the role and complained rather bitterly, I thought for her, about how dire was the fate of a sop. who missed even a single high F.

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem

      Sills by her own admission hated the role and said so most emphatically.

  • @brunopicaude3092
    @brunopicaude3092 Před rokem +2

    Sutherland had great difficulties with the top F but she is one of the few to sing precisely all the notes in the gruppetti.

  • @oktaygozcu4799
    @oktaygozcu4799 Před rokem +6

    Deutekom!!

  • @Shahrdad
    @Shahrdad Před rokem +3

    Sutherland, I believe, only sang this role a handful of times, and she transposed it down (probably closer to the key in Mozart's time), since she didn't like singing high Fs (or really anything above an E-flat). Her coloratura in O zittre nicht, however, is spectacular and unmatched.

    • @patrickandrew2785
      @patrickandrew2785 Před rokem

      Could we double check this? This Sutherland sing the role other than in recording?

    • @user-sw2ks7ru9p
      @user-sw2ks7ru9p Před 7 měsíci

      I've heard Frieda Hempel's O Zittre Nicht and her scales are faster than Sutherland's and done with greater clarity.

    • @Shahrdad
      @Shahrdad Před 7 měsíci

      @@user-sw2ks7ru9p I have found Hempel’s Der Hölle Rache, but not her O Zittre nicht. Of course what makes Sutherland even more amazing is that she did what she did with a voice infinitely bigger than Hempel’s.

  • @lauramanstretta751
    @lauramanstretta751 Před rokem +1

    Luisa tetrazzini win ❤ precision, head voice, tempo, absolutely perfect 👍👏👏👏

  • @fabiana.4640
    @fabiana.4640 Před rokem +4

    What should the next piece be?
    The final scene of Donizetti's Anna Bolena.
    Just include the cabaletta Coppia inicua, or else it will be too long.
    And be sure to include the only 2 (my opinion, of course, sorry if many get upset) that could sing it as written: Maria Callas and your countrywoman Leyla Gencer.

    • @opera.turkiye
      @opera.turkiye  Před rokem

      I will try to do your request. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @luigigiovanelli8929
    @luigigiovanelli8929 Před rokem +1

    Molto interessante. Tutte bravissime ! Astrifiammante dovrebbe essere un drammatico di coloratura, tipo Sutherland che peró in questa incisione non è al meglio. Peccato che la Callas, coi suoi formidabili sovracuti, non l’abbia registrata.
    Ne mancano parecchie di bravissime.
    Fra queste proposte senza dubbio la Deutekom, fantastica, la Hempel che fa cose stranissime, la Nazhdenova, e la mia adorata Lucia Popp.

  • @giovic9802
    @giovic9802 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Edda Moser isn't here for copyright problems?

  • @wolfgangwesterhoff535
    @wolfgangwesterhoff535 Před rokem +2

    sehr interessant, aber Wilma Lipp müsste unbedingt dabei sein!

  • @jamescantorne3720
    @jamescantorne3720 Před 6 měsíci

    Catley is the best performance.

  • @vaheminasyan4045
    @vaheminasyan4045 Před rokem

    Very good video 👍

  • @javieralejandrogutierrezfa8882

    Cristina 👌

  • @giovic9802
    @giovic9802 Před 7 měsíci

    Deutekom the GOAT in this role

  • @cristiancarrascohartard8397

    Wow! Great singers all of them. I think this video is a testimony of Joan Sutherland's huge dramatic coloratura voice, they all sound very small in comparison. With that said, I don't think this role suited her, but it's really entertaning to hear a real dramatic coloratura singing it. I really liked Gwen Catley and Freida Hempel, didn't know about them before.

    • @dyby
      @dyby Před rokem +2

      Sutherland sings the aria a tone lower so, it shouldn’t count.

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem

      @@dyby ...at least several of them transposed down a half step, or possibly more ( I'm too lazy to go back and give you more specifics, sorry.)

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem

      ...Yes, Sutherland here had transposed down a whole step...very surprising.

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem

      ...Deutekom did as well...

    • @jiso5232
      @jiso5232 Před rokem

      Not only Sutherland had a smaller voice than Deutekom, but she also sang the aria transposed and changed the speed to execute the difficult parts.

  • @karldavies9938
    @karldavies9938 Před 11 měsíci

    Where is June Anderson? She sang the part in Amadeus?

  • @user-th1ki1qu9n
    @user-th1ki1qu9n Před 4 měsíci

    Жаль, что в этом списке нет Мадо Робен и Гоар Гаспарян!

  • @mamukacercvadze6253
    @mamukacercvadze6253 Před měsícem

    Maria Galvany is missed, I believe that Stacati that Galvany had was incompatible.

  • @gerhardrohne2261
    @gerhardrohne2261 Před rokem +1

    this cant be taken serious, whrn 4 of the agreed very best are missing: Erna Berger, Rita Streich, Wilma Lipp, Ingeborg Hallstein...

    • @opera.turkiye
      @opera.turkiye  Před rokem +1

      I will try to make the second video of this aria.

    • @aar0n_jng_238
      @aar0n_jng_238 Před rokem

      @@opera.turkiye Especially Erna Berger is important as her recording is still a famous reference

  • @photo161
    @photo161 Před rokem

    ...Tettrazini reigns supreme... in spite of the sonic limitations the incredible size and precision of her in alt top are truly astonishing and superior to anything heard for many decades since, if ever.

    • @photo161
      @photo161 Před rokem +1

      I found Robert Peters surprisingly effective...

    • @jimbuxton2187
      @jimbuxton2187 Před 8 měsíci

      @@photo161 I agree this is this the only role she sang out with mixed voice all the way up to Bb.

  • @MiguelRuiz-xq7pn
    @MiguelRuiz-xq7pn Před rokem

    Please, next a comparison of Coppia Iniqua climax from Anna Bolena! ☺

  • @NANA-SAILING
    @NANA-SAILING Před rokem +1

    Wo ist Erna Berger?!

  • @shirleyrombough8173
    @shirleyrombough8173 Před rokem

    Same for Diana Damrau.

  • @iestynovich
    @iestynovich Před rokem +2

    None of them sings the grace note before the turn. (Deutekom doesn't even since the turn.) All disqualified.

    • @DiomedesDioscuro
      @DiomedesDioscuro Před rokem +1

      What would be the grace note? Any example of a singer doing it?

  • @AllenFigueredo5
    @AllenFigueredo5 Před rokem

    Why isn't Adelina Patti in this contest? 😢 to my taste, she is the best in this aria. But I loved the video 😊

    • @opera.turkiye
      @opera.turkiye  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for your nice comment. The second version of this video is live now. I added the artists requested in the comments to this video.
      czcams.com/video/hlP_dKwsrxg/video.html

    • @clefnoteproductions6695
      @clefnoteproductions6695 Před rokem +1

      By the Patti recorded, Queen of the Night was no longer a part of her repertoire. I believe her Casta Diva was transposed down 😊

    • @spyserse2219
      @spyserse2219 Před rokem +1

      Adelina Patti did not record this performance. She was already very old when recording her voice, and the sound zone moved down to mezzo. Moreover, even during her peak period, I believe she did not have much rich high-frequency skills.

    • @AllenFigueredo5
      @AllenFigueredo5 Před rokem

      @@spyserse2219 thank you for the explanation! I didn't actually know that it was a mistake, as it happened with Callas singing "der hölle rache", it was someone else and not her.

    • @AllenFigueredo5
      @AllenFigueredo5 Před rokem

      @@clefnoteproductions6695 thank you! Apparently it was a mistake, it was another soprano who recorded that aria, and the one who shared it said that it was Patti who made it!

  • @DiomedesDioscuro
    @DiomedesDioscuro Před rokem

    For me Deutekom sounds best, even if she skips some notes.

    • @brunopicaude3092
      @brunopicaude3092 Před rokem

      Yes, the gruppetti of five notes before the staccati are missing. We only hear something indefinable... but I'm in love with the colour of her voice and the top F are glittering.

    • @jimbuxton2187
      @jimbuxton2187 Před 8 měsíci

      @@brunopicaude3092 the first note is a grace note. I think it is to initiate a hard attack on the the first high A's

  • @sergiocilli8648
    @sergiocilli8648 Před rokem

    Luciana Serra!

  • @ileanaparlea1459
    @ileanaparlea1459 Před rokem

    Silvia Voinea?

  • @melihkarasu
    @melihkarasu Před rokem

    canım mozart

  • @Mandolino82
    @Mandolino82 Před rokem

    Mariella Devia?

  • @draganvidic2039
    @draganvidic2039 Před rokem +1

    1. Should be sung by a dramatic coloratura.
    2. Should be sung on stage and not transposed.
    Who many are there left?
    Two I think. Or one…

    • @Pachinanonim
      @Pachinanonim Před rokem +3

      La unica soprano dramatica de coloratura que canto y en el tono original fue Edda Moser, pero no esta acá.

    • @MiguelRuiz-xq7pn
      @MiguelRuiz-xq7pn Před rokem +3

      Luisa Tetrazzini also had the big volume.

    • @opera.turkiye
      @opera.turkiye  Před rokem +2

      It may be missing a lot from the list. If you wish, you can share the missing persons with us.

    • @draganvidic2039
      @draganvidic2039 Před rokem

      @@opera.turkiye
      It’s fine, just made a general point regarding this role.

    • @DiomedesDioscuro
      @DiomedesDioscuro Před rokem

      ​@@Pachinanonim Moser drammatica? Quando mai? 🤔

  • @sensusetratio1973
    @sensusetratio1973 Před 11 měsíci

    Manca Edda Moser...

  • @MariaMaria-jg7fn
    @MariaMaria-jg7fn Před rokem

    Viktoria Lukianetz is also a great soprano. Her performance as the Queen of Night: czcams.com/video/hWe3Lph2FR8/video.html

  • @Sutherland2
    @Sutherland2 Před rokem

    The Sutherland excerpt is totally mangled -- WRONG tempo. Bad playback, too slow.

  • @TheGuidogeno
    @TheGuidogeno Před rokem

    Mancano la Galvany, Edda Moser la Rancatore e la Dessay