The Temptations-Smiling Faces

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2008
  • Hmmm...this is an interesting version of Smiling Faces done by the Temptations (which was also covered by The Undisputed Truth). Yes, yes I am aware that this song is over 12 mins long but since CZcams only allows videos to be 10 mins I decided to post 10 minutes and 59 seconds of it. LET'S NOT START A RIOT BECAUSE THE SONG CUTS OFF ABRUPTLY!!!! It's not my fault! If you MUST hear the last min or two of the song download it off of iTunes or better yet purchase the album!! And if you must, petition to youtube so the video limits can be extended. Lol....anyhoo on a lighter note Eddie looks soooooo darn cute in those pics!! Hehe....let me stop. Enjoy the song!! :-)
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Komentáře • 325

  • @dienglee
    @dienglee Před 13 lety +30

    OUTSTANDING!!!!! Eddie just flows on this smooth, haunting, musical masterpiece....BIG up to Mr. Norman Whitield. He was a genius who was totally underrrated.

    • @rodolfo41016
      @rodolfo41016 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Norman Whitfield was a genius!!

  • @johnniewilson3002
    @johnniewilson3002 Před 9 lety +78

    Some of the best music you will ever hear in your life time there hits records will never die. The temptations.

    • @hasake8873
      @hasake8873 Před 5 lety +4

      Motown at its best. The Temptations, the Funk Brothers, with Jamerson laying down an awesome bassline, and a nice guitar solo at the bridge by Dennis Coffey. Whitfield was an amazing producer.

    • @Thefunksoulbro
      @Thefunksoulbro Před 5 lety +2

      True, I was lucky enough to see them live at a Motown weekend 😎

    • @sseventones
      @sseventones Před rokem

      Calling this a Masterpiece
      Seems like a big understatement,
      I Salute the Temptations
      Definitely The Best music I’ve ever heard

  • @Kmq1968
    @Kmq1968 Před 11 lety +12

    MAN THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, I NEVER KNEW THE TEMPTATIONS
    DID THIS FIRST, UNTIL I GOOGLED IT, MUSIC BACK THEN, WAS
    THE TRUTH..

  • @shjakes
    @shjakes Před 14 lety +8

    This is such a classic arrangement .Know that they don't lay tracks like this anymore.. This is ALL about the music! and this is Grown Folks music! I have a very scratched up vinyl album of with this song and I still can't bring myself to throw it out. My favorite part is from 7.37+ with all that lush arrangement...strings 'N thangs, thumping bass and funky Blaxploitation guitar riff !! Thanks for posting!

    • @marcussampson6336
      @marcussampson6336 Před 5 lety

      Yo, at 9:43 the serious percussion and bass take you to place few R&B songs would ever dare to go. Pure Genius!!

  • @dennisward1206
    @dennisward1206 Před 8 lety +7

    This is a classic motown hit that was played on a late night Motor city rock station almost every day in the late 60's early 70's! Needless to say it got played at some pretty decent volume as the instrumentation is flawless as are the lyrics and vocals!!

  • @pecanchocolatedeluxe
    @pecanchocolatedeluxe Před 14 lety +13

    The Temptations could cover any song and make it sound original!

    • @graemelove7617
      @graemelove7617 Před rokem +3

      This was the original version. It was later in the year a top 5 hit for The Undisputed Truth, also on Motown.

    • @rashawnda-professor2999
      @rashawnda-professor2999 Před 9 měsíci +1

      True, but The Temptations had originally recorded this song 1st for their album Sky's The Limit. This was scheduled to be the follow up single to Just My Imagination (Running Away From Me), but after Eddie who sang lead on the song left the group, Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong had to change gears and they decided to have The Undisputed Truth record their version of the song while The Temptations re-recorded their classic It's Summer.

  • @janiedemedeiros9470
    @janiedemedeiros9470 Před 10 lety +35

    Excellent recording & sound. The Temptations were always professional & elegant music performers. Even with the ups & downs in their life...they were human. Thank you so much for uploading this song & for sharing it! TY

  • @ms.capricorn4540
    @ms.capricorn4540 Před 2 lety +4

    Excellent guitar playing, music, rhythm, melody, etc.

  • @Multi1628
    @Multi1628 Před 5 lety +11

    ~ R.I.P. Marvin Gaye, Florence Ballard, and Paul Williams. Hats off also to the Undisputed Truth. 1971, and still fresh, even abbreviated, in 2018. Respect. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

  • @michaelvicks505
    @michaelvicks505 Před 2 lety +5

    Love these lyrics they are so prophetic like the other social message songs.

  • @jeffdennis905
    @jeffdennis905 Před 6 lety +28

    I think this is the best version of Smiling faces!

    • @thehonestybroker4493
      @thehonestybroker4493 Před rokem +1

      No way to me Billie Rae Calvin makes the undisputed truths version much better. She was outstanding

    • @ppwilbon
      @ppwilbon Před rokem +2

      I like David Ruffin version the best

    • @jeffdennis905
      @jeffdennis905 Před rokem +2

      I like all of them.

  • @Doll2018
    @Doll2018 Před 2 lety +5

    A MASTERPIECE never ages🔥

  • @elfinia
    @elfinia Před 14 lety +3

    I love this version. Played "sky's the limit"
    back in the day....driving along in the van, playing loud. Ahead of it's time and best track on the album. LOVE IT. I love the mellow "cheerfulness" of it...That's irony...I love the slow pace ...cooool ! Adore the funkiness.Now , if only I had listened to the message all those years ago. LOL.

  • @melvinpruitt3907
    @melvinpruitt3907 Před 7 lety +14

    Brother Norman produced some monster tracks for these already smokin hot Tempting Temps.

  • @johnbrocklehurst3570
    @johnbrocklehurst3570 Před 8 lety +12

    2016 and still listening-Long live Motown and of course the totally remarkable The Undisputed Truth and The Temptations.

  • @sneeweeble
    @sneeweeble Před 14 lety +3

    i love the instrumentation in this song

  • @JersiPeach
    @JersiPeach Před 15 lety +3

    The instrumentals in this song are sweet.

  • @TheDetroitredd313
    @TheDetroitredd313 Před 10 lety +4

    Thanks for posting this. I love the pic of them Temps sitting on Scott Fountain on Belle Isle in Detroit. Classic shit, when all the originals were still together.

    • @wlliebowen2043
      @wlliebowen2043 Před 5 lety +1

      Dennis Edwards replaced David Ruffin.Who replaced Eldridge Bryant.

  • @alanjpoole7274
    @alanjpoole7274 Před 6 lety +2

    ... and what a fantastic group the Undisputed Truth were too. Terrible underrated and under valued at Motown but boy didn't they make some fantastic records/albums whilst there. (Part of Norman Whitfield's roster of artists).

  • @dbookin
    @dbookin Před 9 lety +29

    This song, like many from the late 60's and 70's are still relevant today!

  • @1skunkus
    @1skunkus Před 13 lety +3

    I never knew this existed. superior soul at its best, flowing like massive attack. this is one bad tune (way cool), thanks for posting it. kind of like Masterpiece by them.

  • @sweetlatina53
    @sweetlatina53 Před 2 lety +3

    Another of the temptations greatest hits of our time that will live on and on and forever in our hearts may they rips these soul brothers rips💜💐🥀🤪

  • @joemusic13
    @joemusic13 Před 8 lety +23

    This track deliver the goods of being one of the best of the Temptations. The music score was excellent s in every sense of the word. I also loved the length of the song it made enjoy the movements of the whole track. Today group can't even compare to this in music and vocals. Motown Record label took it in that day as the best ever. Dunmore Music of Monee IL.

    • @hasake8873
      @hasake8873 Před 5 lety +2

      Love this song. I especially like Jamerson bass work.

  • @05bobbo50
    @05bobbo50 Před 11 lety +5

    Cool in 1970 & still stands the test of time today "the impossible task, is to figure out which of the smiles is a mask"..so true of our politicians of today..love it!!

  • @jthoen61
    @jthoen61 Před 11 lety +3

    This is a great song that is truly timeless. It's relevant today.

  • @shjakes
    @shjakes Před 15 lety +1

    This is what yuh call "An Arrangement"! My vinyl copy is scratched to shreds but afater all these years I still don't have the heart to throw it out. Check that Mod Squad" guitar going on in background..Ten minutes...pen minutes, this version is going in my "Favourites!!! Lawd have mercy! This is grown folks music!!
    Thanks for posting Disconights1987!

  • @tedkay
    @tedkay Před 15 lety +2

    This song was done and made popular by another Motown group! called, The Undisputed Truth! that's the one we all know! Motown was talented enough to pen a song and release it on several different artist, and make each version to fit that particular group or solo act with thier own signature sound! That's what you call! The Motown Sound! aka Motown MAGIC!! the sound of young America.

  • @EricGentile
    @EricGentile Před 10 lety +33

    all the versions of this song get the message across after all this is the age of the narcissist...

    • @ClarenceMosley
      @ClarenceMosley Před 10 lety +2

      True That !

    • @marcuseagland5589
      @marcuseagland5589 Před 9 lety +3

      And haters which aren't always enemies bc enemies are real w/u it's haters you don't always see coning

    • @unyquelykim
      @unyquelykim Před 6 lety

      Eric Gentile It's ALWAYS been the
      "age of the narcissist" Sadly, they go back centuries...

  • @DiscoNights1987
    @DiscoNights1987  Před 16 lety +9

    Haha...it doesn't sound weird at all. I mean look at him!!! How can anyone NOT fall for him? That smile, that face....EVERYTHING!! Woo! But it still breaks my heart that he is no longer with us. Everytime I think about it I just can't believe he's really gone. :'-( The Thin Man lives on!!!

  • @sheilasams5065
    @sheilasams5065 Před 5 lety +10

    I LOVE THIS SONG by the Undisputed Truth but also this one by THE TEMPTS TOO✌💖🌺😎

  • @shjakes
    @shjakes Před 12 lety +2

    The Orchestration on this song alone is worth buying the album. It is real a pity my vinyl version is so scratched from overuse…now I'm gonna have to buy the digital version.

  • @shirleyriley7185
    @shirleyriley7185 Před 4 lety +2

    Just love the temptations oh my irreplacable music

  • @perkperking317
    @perkperking317 Před 7 lety +5

    the greatest group to do it !!

  • @LizHarriton
    @LizHarriton Před 11 měsíci +2

    One of the Greats for All time history ❤ 👍

  • @Lynn-wf3ys
    @Lynn-wf3ys Před 10 lety +9

    Nothing better than the Temptations from the prospective of a baby boomer - best all time group as far as I'm concerned. Love'em dearly... Thanks for posting.

    • @shytalker
      @shytalker Před 8 lety +2

      +Lynn Yes you are correct in your comment

  • @maureenelliston3461
    @maureenelliston3461 Před 7 lety +4

    Love it. I didn't know the original was by The Undisputed Truth until I listened to it on Facebook recently.

  • @rollerchickable
    @rollerchickable Před 8 lety +5

    I LOVE THIS SONG IT A TRUE SONG, TEMPTATIONS FOREVER, THANKS FOR SHARING..

  • @brybrytrudy
    @brybrytrudy Před 13 lety +3

    the instrumentals in temptations songs are groovy, why would anybody dislike them

  • @minikapreston4133
    @minikapreston4133 Před 5 lety +2

    I love this mellow version..I like instrumentals a lot so this is perfect! Brings out the musicians talents as well as singers

  • @DiscoNights1987
    @DiscoNights1987  Před 16 lety +6

    Lol you're welcome and woo, Eddie was a fine, fine man!!! Can't get enough of him!! Hehe...thanks for watching!

  • @maryharris8723
    @maryharris8723 Před 9 lety +33

    This song is the honest truth. Smiling in your face stabbing you in the back.

    • @waylandporter1766
      @waylandporter1766 Před 9 lety

      Mary Harris So what does religion know?

    • @MyFutbol14
      @MyFutbol14 Před 9 lety +4

      Mary Harris O'Jays Back Stabbers. I never knew The Temptations sang this. Is this original or a cover by these great vocalists? You learn something new every day...

    • @maryharris8723
      @maryharris8723 Před 8 lety +3

      MyFutbol14 this song came out before I was born! My mom told me about the message it gives. She told me to learn from it. I did!

    • @dennisward1206
      @dennisward1206 Před 8 lety +3

      +Mary Harris Good Mom, good for you!

    • @stringname.youtubegooglepl2505
      @stringname.youtubegooglepl2505 Před 6 lety

      This is the original version. The Undisputed Truth recorded their version later the same year and it reached the Billboard Top 10.

  • @stevesewall
    @stevesewall Před 9 lety +4

    Great cut, thanks DN. Got the tricky oboe line down, stood up, hummed along & got deep into the groove as it built up and up. Satisfying!

  • @msmasterjam
    @msmasterjam Před 15 lety +2

    finally heard the tempts version! i enjoyed this very much! definately thumbs up! 5 star! also i love the undisputed truth's version! they both are 5 stars as far as i am concerned! please whatever you do dont knock the tempts version!Peace!

  • @jrynds
    @jrynds Před 15 lety +2

    Thanks for the whole version of this. This is a testament to the great arrangers Motown had. I study orchestration with songs like this. If I work as hard as MJ, I know I will get there!!!!!!

  • @jeffreycoogan09
    @jeffreycoogan09 Před 7 lety +5

    Written by Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong for Motown records. This is the original version recorded by the Temptations in 1971. Producer Norman Whitfield had the song re-recorded by the Undisputed Truth later that year.

    • @hasake8873
      @hasake8873 Před 5 lety

      Later, Whitfield produced this song for David Ruffin. It's a very nice bluesy version.

  • @wolfieshylo
    @wolfieshylo Před 4 lety +1

    I LOVE this version of the song Smiling Faces. It was a major introduction for me into the world of spirit communication back in 1972. A friend of mine was murdered in Denver Colorado and she began sending this music to me as a means of helping her understand and get past what happened to her. It was a real life changer for me. It was about 30 odd years later a friend of mine helped me help her finally move on to the other side. It is so haunting to listen to this particular version when you think of it from a spiritual perspective.

  • @bustabass9025
    @bustabass9025 Před 6 lety +2

    "Sky's the Limit"...the quintessential psychedelic soul offering from the first new era of the Temptations, with this track and its haunting oboe and muted trumpet solos anchored to an unforgettable bass line, as its signature statement. Eddie's shimmering falsetto lead voice is as clear and bright here as it would ever be. Unfortunately, it would be Paul and Eddie's last session...and then there were two.👑🎸🎵

  • @FollowScripture
    @FollowScripture Před rokem +1

    Never heard this version by the Temptations ...Love it, like all of this groups music.. Talent we just do not see anymore

  • @Nissi210
    @Nissi210 Před 10 lety +19

    I love hearing all of the instruments in this song. I grew up with the Temptations and clearly remember going to the Apollo to see them in their colorful suits and great choreography! What handsome men they were. I cannot believe all these guys are no longer here. But their music live on.
    The song cut short but I was not surprise because I recalled this being a 12 inch long playing record. Anyone remember dancing to those?lol

    • @delicatedell5015
      @delicatedell5015 Před 7 lety +3

      Nissi210 Two of those guys are still here.

    • @kamscott3382
      @kamscott3382 Před 6 lety +4

      Nissi210 Otis is alive only member left from the original

  • @juliuscasey940
    @juliuscasey940 Před 6 lety +9

    The Greatest Male Group of All Time............

    • @divadoll606
      @divadoll606 Před 5 lety +1

      Definitely a cut above the rest. So, so many hits.

  • @dvlaries
    @dvlaries Před 14 lety +2

    I've read more than one place, that had Eddie not left the group when he did, this would have been the next single out of "Sky's The Limit" after Just My Imagination. That both is and isn't a shame when you ponder how Motown might have slashed it up length-wise to make it radio friendly. Just My Imagination was strong enough alone to make you buy the album, and once you discovered this too, you never forgot it.

  • @pakorino1
    @pakorino1 Před 12 lety

    Was diggin on this song back in the day . Still great Psycadelic rock soul . The Temps many songs bring very good memories. Thank you for posting. "Pako"

  • @rickw1100
    @rickw1100 Před 12 lety +1

    Norman Whitfield took a cue from the Beatles and the Doors that long versions with instrumental interludes create a theme that can run throughout an album-transforming it from a collection of singles to a thematically connected vision that stands as a single connected theme and message. Brilliant !

  • @58manoa
    @58manoa Před 13 lety +1

    LOVE IT !
    Sounds like a Big Movie Soundtrack

  • @elaineDPW
    @elaineDPW Před 14 lety +1

    I danced to this until my feet bled and kept going, the Whole song, over and over. YES!

  • @RIDETHESUNSHINE
    @RIDETHESUNSHINE Před 12 lety

    Thank You for posting as much as you could!!! GO YOU!!! Will

  • @jody808
    @jody808 Před 14 lety +1

    i love that cover artwork, great album of it's time

  • @1919sedonia
    @1919sedonia Před 13 lety +1

    The Mighty Temptations are amazing there is no one else like them. I grew up on this song at it is so true. Beware of the pat on the back. so real, so real.

  • @ray69allday
    @ray69allday Před 10 lety +2

    Wheatstraw...Boones Farm...Schlitz Purple Label...Black lights & Fishnet Ceilings...ahhh My Youth!

  • @rebaseaton5437
    @rebaseaton5437 Před 4 lety +1

    classics never die, that's why they get repeated, always relevent

  • @poeme007
    @poeme007 Před 11 lety +2

    This is fantastic. First time hearing this version. IM still smiling-:)

  • @mjscarousal
    @mjscarousal Před 14 lety +1

    My favorite song by the Temps and the BEST version

  • @michaelvicks5606
    @michaelvicks5606 Před rokem +1

    Yes that is my words exactly haunting it sends a chill down your spine I find myself singing covers of these song I just did actually. Love my Tempts and classic soul the best

  • @delspaco
    @delspaco Před 14 lety +1

    excellent picture show, great, goes with the song perfect, wish i could copy it. awesome version of a great song...this version almost has a psychedelic feel...

  • @eskay67
    @eskay67 Před 16 lety

    I enjoyed this...I have this album, but have not played it in awhile. Thanks for posting.

  • @lateaz1641
    @lateaz1641 Před 8 lety +1

    I never knew The Temps, made a version of this song,,,but now matter who sings, this song,,,it rings of TRUTH!!!!.....

  • @WonderfulWil1
    @WonderfulWil1 Před 10 lety +2

    This is the original version of the song. This was on the "Sky Is The Limit" Album
    (The last album that Eddie Kendricks & Paul Williams recorded with The Temptations.)

  • @HoneyKone
    @HoneyKone Před 13 lety +1

    @lrwsoreal "Smiling Faces Sometimes" was covered by The Undisputed Truth. The song was designated to be the follow-up release to The Temptations' "Just My Imagination." However, Eddie Kendricks had just left the group and had a prominent lead vocal in "Smiling Faces" so producer Norman Whitfield decided to release The Undisputed Truth's version instead which went top 5.

  • @MsPaulagina
    @MsPaulagina Před 12 lety +1

    I love this song..... it has a lot of truth in it. Love it.

  • @mzamn92
    @mzamn92 Před 13 lety

    omygosh! ..i must say this is my first time hearing this song, but i love it soo much. just another great song to add to favorites from the temptations:)

  • @TheQ97
    @TheQ97 Před 7 lety +3

    Uploaded Person . . . don't worry 'bout time . . .
    . . . STILL, An Excellent Post!!! THANKS!!!
    Have A Great Summer!!!!

  • @elaineDPW
    @elaineDPW Před 15 lety +1

    YES,YES,OH YES! I would BLAST This when my parents were out of the house, Dance and Prance, Strut, Break Down then just listen. I love this and it's much better than "Papa was A Rolling Stone".

  • @ms.capricorn4540
    @ms.capricorn4540 Před 2 lety +1

    Phenomenal!

  • @WonderfulWil1
    @WonderfulWil1 Před 10 lety +3

    Actually This is on the "Sky Is The Limit" Album That was released before The Undisputed Truth recorded they're version.

  • @mikewes2804
    @mikewes2804 Před 11 lety +1

    A masterpiece . Thanks..........

  • @LESTER7L1
    @LESTER7L1 Před 12 lety +2

    The lyrics of this song ARE VERY TRUE! Especially in our current times!Thanks for sharing this interesting version of this song.

  • @jonahno1
    @jonahno1 Před 15 lety

    Thanks for that. Just had 11 mins of music heaven:))

  • @steelkeez7700
    @steelkeez7700 Před 3 lety +1

    Eddie Kendricks on lead 🔥🌋

  • @kiki380ify
    @kiki380ify Před 7 lety +3

    quelle chanson fantastique !!!!! aussi bien sinon même mieux que "Papa was a rolling stone " et ce n'est pas peu dire !!!!! j'adoooooore !!!!!

  • @254Sophia
    @254Sophia Před 5 lety

    super cool bring back the good day.

  • @Arrbyy
    @Arrbyy Před 11 lety +1

    Very cool. Very smooth. Very yesterday, which I miss very much.

  • @gumbyonacid
    @gumbyonacid Před 12 lety

    this is smoking ...never heard this version before------thanks

  • @memmory1000
    @memmory1000 Před 13 lety +1

    Great history lesson. Didn't know that N.W. would have more than one group cut the same songs. Also, I wonder if there would have been two versions of this from the Temptations. They could have done it the way Undisputed Truth and this way. Wow!!
    Thanks for allowing me to hear this version.

  • @timmy841212
    @timmy841212 Před 14 lety

    Thanks for going through that grueling process to uploading it at all. CZcams is ridiculous when it comes to minute limits. LOL Thanks. :)

  • @elaineDPW
    @elaineDPW Před 14 lety +1

    Motown has always had different groups/soloists cover the same songs. Example, I Heard it Through the Grapevine, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Marvin Gaye. "Get Ready Cause Here I Come" Temptations, Rare Earth. I was in elementary school when the Temps did "Get Ready...I was in High School when Rare Earth did it. Smokey!!!! Holland-Dozier-Holland!!!

  • @blondwiththewind
    @blondwiththewind Před 11 lety +1

    Love the Temps!!! Nice version...different vibe than "The Undisputed Truth" recording....same message, tho...true then...true today.

  • @dynasty062495
    @dynasty062495 Před 12 lety

    really good song, i luv the temptations

  • @jf73441
    @jf73441 Před 10 lety +3

    I have the album. And it still sounds great. A few pops here and there.

  • @hopediamond4real
    @hopediamond4real Před 8 lety +23

    Eddie's voice was so clear and beautiful. I don't understand one thing--Why did Norman Whitfield extend the instrumental part for soooooo many measures after the first stanza? It sounds redundant after awhile, and it's tedious waiting for the second stanza to be sung, but all in all, I still love the song.

    • @gua117
      @gua117 Před 4 lety +2

      This is why they grew exasperated with Norman Whitfield, he started to downplay the vocals and increase the instrumentation. I think this made Eddie crazy and he wanted out.

    • @majorpremise
      @majorpremise Před 4 lety +1

      In the early 60's popular format only allowed songs to be 2 - 3 minutes...during late 60's (and on into the 70's) this radically changed...longer versions became commercially fashionable...even required...hence the long extended instrumentations in-between stanzas.

  • @DAS603
    @DAS603 Před 12 lety

    No doubt about it! This is get up and get down music. They don't play this stuff on the radio anymore.

  • @adilo4984
    @adilo4984 Před 6 lety +1

    Trumpet from 3:06 to 4:02 is prodigious. Great version and very rich

  • @Thefunksoulbro
    @Thefunksoulbro Před 5 lety

    So so true, the best version of this in my opinion 😎

  • @jrynds
    @jrynds Před 13 lety +1

    I don't choose UT version over the Tempts because Norman Whitfield produced both versions if I'm not mistaking. That's the mark of a genius-same producer two different styles and sounds. I love this version because of the orchestra.

  • @jody808
    @jody808 Před 15 lety

    one of my favorite Tempt albums

  • @pattilee1006
    @pattilee1006 Před 5 lety

    thank you

  • @254Sophia
    @254Sophia Před 14 lety

    awesome dynmite back the 70s, still great and going strong

  • @fran1925
    @fran1925 Před 10 lety +1

    Nice to hear this song. I've written a song by the same name (on my youtube channel). I didn't realise the name had already been used. Drat!

  • @05bobbo50
    @05bobbo50 Před 10 lety +1

    Agree w/'storm 9181'-a classic since it came out-still have the original LP..Luv it!!

  • @fbmarz
    @fbmarz Před 14 lety

    Awesome! Thanks!

  • @sweetrob51
    @sweetrob51 Před 11 lety +2

    I 'm a die hard temptations fan.They can sing Mary had a Little Lamb and would sound great to me.Check out "Let It Be" by them and see what you think.