What is Cold Steels new 4034 Steel?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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On a Krupp or Thyssen page there’s a blurb about the formula being the same but the steel being improved due to gradual improvements in manufacturing (presumably reductions in impurities, more consistent mixing, different smelting temperatures, and cool down cycles affecting precipitation). A steel is much more than a formula, and mills matter. I think that is reflected in the general incremental superiority of Spyderco 8Cr. That or some knife makers are swapping in whatever’s available (which can also work to our advantage in those rare cases where a better steel is swapped in when a cheaper one is out of stock).
Correction. The Krupp website was referring to 4116 on the Cold Steel website they rated 4034 below 4116. 120 cuts with a mirror edge is more than sufficient and a recent JoeX destruction video on the Crawford 1 suggests 4034 is quite tough. I think I would prefer 4116 but the Crawford is designed for one in every door bin.
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Is like a day without sunshine
Love the 4116 for a budget steel
Great comparison. I've had the Crawford 1 for a while now and it's not let me down. It keeps a decent edge and sharpens pretty easily. It's a decent work horse knife at a very good price point.
Have gotten to the point I watch these videos to 1st enjoy your music selection, and 2nd to learn something more about steels
I got the micro recon a couple days ago. The tanto version came in 4034 and the spear point came in 4116
Reprofiling an edge by hand sucks. Even with the beast I bet. You have patience, and probably a sore shoulder lol. Thank you, and take care Pete
Fun fact: this steel with the German steel number 1.4034 (its an aisi 420 variant) was really a very versatile steel here in Germany in the last 100 years till now... Even though it has high Chromium amount and lower c amount, with the right heat treat from the right bladesmiths the c amount rose to about 0.8 and the chromium got down to 12 where the steel is getting a good retention AND still very good corrosion resistance... You shouldn't have used it as prybar in the cold though... HRC s of 60 and even 61 HRC (with a deep cooling in the HT-process) were achieved by German bladesmiths...
Cereal dude should make an appearance in every video.☺
He's the new Bricky.
Good morning…
Long time watcher and first time commenting.
I have a ton of knives as you know , and I keep most for really just collecting purposes.
But I do use roughly 20 of them off and on .
One of the users is the Cold Steel Crawford.
It was extremely inexpensive; I even gave away in a contest I had here on CZcams ).
Not only do I really like that knife but the guy who won it from me can’t stop thanking me for it .
Haha
That was like 3 years ago and he still hits me up once in a while thanking me .
That really makes my day .
( I don’t ever want to send someone a failure , ya know )??
But yeah - I use the Crawford daily .
Only had to sharpen a few times here and there .
Mostly used as a box opener or just a little bush craft .
( nothing major ).
It’s a fun knife indeed .
Funny - out of my entire collection, I have zero Spyderco .
My one buddy swears by them .
There’s so many to choose from .
What would you recommend???
Have an awesome week ahead and keep safe as always 🤠
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That wasted guy in the back row heckling.
Thx for keeping up with your channel
Some of the best honest content
Thank you for this testing video...
IMHO your knife lab videos are the most valuable for the knife community...
YES! MORE BUDGET STEEL TESTING! THis is what im hankering for! i especially want to see some 7cr/440a testing! I think that if heat treated propperly it should be AUS-8 level
Not just that! Because of the lower Abrasion resistance the test should be much quicker aswell!
I don't really have much experience with AUS-8, but I have a ton of experience with Gerber's 7cr, and Spyderco's AUS-6 and they're completely indistinguishable (IN MY EXPERIENCE) in every aspect. They sharpen the same, and have the same edge retention and stability. That makes sense, since they're essentially synonymous.
I could see Gerber's 7cr performing similarly to some of the random AUS-8, but probably falling behind if the AUS-8 was done really well. The schrade/old timer 7cr I've tested fell well short of Gerber's 7cr, so I can't imagine that being anywhere near AUS-8.
I agree though, I love the budget steel testing. Im as much of a steel snob as anyone, but I find myself being more and more interested in the subtle (and not so subtle) differences found in budget steels.
It's one thing for a manufacturer to just use a super steel and assume it will provide great performance, and charge accordingly. It's another when a manufacturer can pick from 15-20 different budget steels to hit the price point/performance level they're aiming for.
Never liked 440a.
@@CNYKnifeNerd i had a gerber tanto in 7cr for a couple of years. Im not sure if i got a bad one or if it's just 7cr but the thing rolled edges so easily that i had to sharpen it after any kind of use.
Love your edge testing. You are a go to for me researching knives.
Cold steel says 4034ss is Japanese equivalent to German 416. Love your videos.
Thank you for the video. Wish I'd seen it before I bought the Cold Steel product to replace a CRK Squid I lost last weekend on a warm-up trail run. The Squid was amazing but I thought I'd get something a little bigger. D'oh! Maybe it'll be okay. Really enjoyed your soundtrack.
I'm so interested in CJRBs new budget steel. Very much awaiting that edge testing. I've heard it strops back so easily to scary sharp. Kind of why i liked Cold Steels AUS-8, i felt it stropped back better than most budget steels.
I bought that Crawford for my friend I'm about to customize it with a tridium green vial in that empty plastic groove also with a lanyard also with a tridium glow beed he doesn't even know it yet.
Pete edge testing = gold standard. Interesting to know & budget steels require fewer cuts so less repetative motion wear on nerves & muscles. -5 for no dogs, + 4 for lack of talking masonry, total score 96.873
I suppose most people only consider hardness and abrasion resistance to be the only properties that are important in a knife.
For large knives that are commonly used to chop with , a "tougher" stainless that would resist chipping might be a good alternative.
So you have to re-sharpen more often.
Taylor/Schrade (and others )commonly use 3cr13 for their big blade knives.
How would 4034 compare to 3cr13 ?
Wish they kept the 4116 Krup steel , I thought it was a really good budget steel and super rust resistant... Great work Pete ..👍🖖
They've switched the Crawford 1 (and a few other models that used to be in 4034) are now in 4116
"Its a fuckin Tenacious ya idiot." Dont ever change, Pete.
Thanks for this test. I like the cold steel 4116 and was disappointed to see this switch but it seems like it is okay. Cold steel seemed to get the most out of the 4116 and hopefully they can do this on a level like Bucks 420 hc. I sure do prefer the old Buck 440c.
Great info again. Thank you. I have the Cara Cara 2 in 8cr13mov, which I think is same as the Tenacious. It is one of my favorite EDC's, along with the 4 inch Cold Steel Voyager Clip point in AUS8. Guess they will do for now. My Bucks are the only 420hc knives I have and I don't carry them often.
I rock pretty close cara cara 2 with wave attachment and the rajah 3 in aus 10. Both are light but so strong I have no worries with either and both stay razor sharp through beatings. Nice
New T shirt: “Homogenise the Edge”
They've switched the Crawford 1 (and a few other models that used to be in 4034) are now in 4116
incorrect. still listed as 4034 on their site
@@acid6urns That's outdated info, retailers have it as 4116 (including knifecenter videos), as well as the most recent Cold Steel catalog on their website (2022 but that's the most recent one they have)
@@s.h.v.c2865 i would take cold steel’s word for it more than retailers, but EVERY major retailer lists it as 4034. there is an all black model that SOME list as 4116 but it’s completely unavailable and also listed as 4034 on some retailers. unless you have a physical example from the recent years stamped 4116 i’m doubtful. it likely USED to be 4116 and isn’t now.
@@acid6urns Perhaps thing's have changed in a year, but the model I saw on knifecenter had it etched onto the blade, so it's not just trusting a listing that may be outdated. No guarantee if you'll get older stock if ordering online, I doubt many places are paying attention to that sort of thing when packing orders, especially if the SKU is the same.
Twisted sisal sounds like a rock group from da 1980’s...
Love the channel! Great job!
No test is flawless. This one is quite interesting. Thanks!
Thanks that you reacted to my request ! 👍
Thanks, Pete!
Thanks for your contributions
GREAT comparison! As always, THANK YOU for all you do for us!
I was liking cold steel 4116 as your testing showed. 4034 definitely a step down.
Thank you for all your hard work Pete. Much appreciated
Looks like there is a knight kneeling down to intently watch your cut test
did anybody else get a wiggle down there when Pete said "Homogenize the edges"?
Check.
When _Pete_ said it? No. When _you_ said it? (wiggle)
@@CSGraves - hahahahaha
Hey, you realize according to your own testing the Tenacious in 8cr performs nearly as well as the Sage 2 in S30V? Others have tested these knives and come to similar conclusions.
Spyderco 8cr13mov is way underrated.
Thanks for these videos
The Tenacious is one of my favorite Spydercos, thanks for the video
I got a few cold steel knives with the budget 4034 ss.
I just may start carrying them now because I just got them because the price was low and the have Tri Ad Locks
Fantastic Pete...missed this videos❗😊👍
Very thorough testing! 👍🏼
Well unless they're both using the same heat treatment as Buck..Bos Brothers...this is to be expected. CS kitchen knives in 4116 krupp still work fine for me after 30 years. Old CS was great for the money but they have become the fulfillment of prophecy by the great Shabazz. I've moved on to Spyderco for the pocket and BRKC for the outdoors. Wood work will be done with a Mora, a saw, and an axe or one of my older knives. Great vid!
I just seen Spyderco has a new version of the Tenacious coming out in S35VN..I’ve yet to get a Tenacious mainly because of the Chinese steel but I will definitely be getting it when the S35VN version comes out.I like the Tenacious it’s a good comfortable budget friendly knife
I'm so happy they are doing it! I use the Tenacious for work. I'm going to Frankenstein mine. Take of those crappy frn scales and put the G10 from another Tenacious on.
Where's Bricky❓❓❓🤣 always appreciate your effort and respect your method. Great job Pete.👍😊
Probably the best song I've ever heard.
Nice job pete your always entertaining keep on keeping on
"Made Peace" Awesome! Enjoy your videos
I thought 8Cr13MoV was supposed to be cheap steel? How does it have better edge retention than 1095 or even some company's CPM-3V? Is it really 8Cr13MoV? They also have a fixed blade Bow River in 8Cr13MoV...will it be equally good?
Proper Heat treatment tempering on a average steel can beat a super steel with a bad heat treatment.... Interesting bit of wisdom.
Super informative Pete love your channel ,cold steel doing some business moves lately
Great video... As "always"!!!
Unfortunately it seems like there's a tendency by knife manufacturers to use steels names people haven't heard of because they'll probably assume it's better than it is just based off the brand
All major high end kitchen knives “superior German stainless steel” 🤪😂😂😂😂
Well... it is 4034 steel (or 1.4034 to be exact). Everyone can look it up and see what it's about. Other names are AISI 420 or X46Cr13
@@morty_911 point is that most knife buyers won't look it up, they'll just think "oh wow a new interesting steel from cold steel, it must be pretty good, I'll buy it and try it out"
@@antimatter4733 I guess you are right but at least they didn't make up a stupid marketing name
@@morty_911 well they did make up a bit of a marketing name instead of just calling it 420hc
The cereal eating Cedric is hilarious. I like him more than Brick.
Excellent and interesting comparison, sir! I got interested in the Cold Steel Crawford Model 1 mainly for 2 reasons: The price point makes it appealing as an EDC, and, I've had an issue with their Finn Wolf a while back, in which the Tri-Ad lock was virtually impossible to disengage easily! I really liked that knife otherwise, but couldn't justify keeping a knife that had, for me at least, a problematic locking mechanism. So, I want to give Cold Steel another try. I do like the extra "safety" feature lock on this Crawford Model 1. BTW, what's the brand of sharpener you use? It looks quite nice!
RIP Brickey!!!
If you listen to this music long enough you can hear the lyrics telling you to drill holes in your head
I'm not happy that they changed the steel from a2 to 4032 for the trailmaster kukri laredo bowie etc that were supposed to come out.Granted they'll be coming out with models in 3v but they're surely gonna jack up the price.They should've just changed the steel to at least 52100 if they weren't happy with their a2 which I'm not buying I think they just realized they weren't charging enough for what the a2 blades were supposed to cost.
Agreed. They really srewed up here. 3V is going to be great but like you I have a feeling its gonna cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@sniperhat1 lucky you man I wish I had some cs blades in carbon v I do have a master hunter and srk in 3v amd trailmaster in vg1 san mai which are awesome and looking forward to getting the kukri laredo bowie and possibly another trailmaster in 3v but not looking forward to the cost.the drop forged survivalist in 52100 I have is awesome too I'd love to find or make some aftermarket handle inserts in micarta though although the stock ones are still pretty grippy.
Thank you for this video
Good information Pete, thanks.
I dig the black tenacious.
Dunno why they wouldn't just use 8cr. Marketing I guess? Anyways, is there any chance we could get a look a cpm-10v in the future?
8CR has better edge retention than 420HC,420HC even with a Buck or Gerber heat treatment still leave a lot to be desired.for a cheap Chinese steel 8CR isn’t that bad...still not a big fan of 8CR13MOV,though it’s a definitely acceptable in a cheap budget blade..the thin full flat grind blade of the Spyderco also gives it the upper hand in this comparison,the Cold Steel is a good bit thicker behind the edge
Cold steel 4034 steel knife is 50$ knife with real value about 20. Tops.
Thank you.
Hello. Thank you for the review. I have a Crawford 1 purchased 2022, but it says the blade steel is 4116? Have they changed material again? Many thanks. John. UK
Kinda glad to see bricky gone too.. i dont like people shit talking my favourite knife CZcamsr :c
Pete is such a loveable dork!
Spyderco SPY27 cut test????
I am surprised that cold steel edge was not sharper than that from the factory... In my experience Cold steel factory edges have been extremely Sharp
oh it was sharp, just a tad thicc
you need to do toughness testing on the blades you dont want any more
That rope is very abrasive. 8cr is fine for an everyday EDC steel. Of coarse, depending on what you do with your knife. But just for an EDC 145 cuts can be who knows ? 6 months of use ? 12 months of use ? Again it all depends what you are cutting and how much you are cutting. 8cr treated correctly Is a fine steel for light edc work. It's just my opinion but most super steels with light cutting should stay sharp forever. If you are only cutting light or soft stuff 8cr should stay sharp for a while as well. When you look at the variance involved having cheaper steels available makes sense. I like 8cr & I like 20cv & I like 1080. It's great watching you do the test and comparisons. It's very interesting. Question, Are there any steels you have not tested ?
Nice watch
I very much enjoyed the FF8 music. Not a terribly good game, but very nice sounding.
That music is burned into my brain
"Not a terribly good game" that's like saying having AIDS isn't terribly good for your health
For the time elapse you should use didgeridoo music and speak with more Aussie slang. Like how people talk in Victoria.
Yeah, 4034 is just 420HC with the little bit of vanadium taken out, so the wire burr will be harder to remove and a tiny loss in wear resistance.
As we have seen in other brands, 420HC varies a lot by the quality of the heat treat. 88 isn't bad, but I want better.
125 after the edge was reprofiled to be much thinner. The Spydie was already close to 17 degrees.
with that knight helmet beside him, someday he will reveal that he's SwaggerSoul's brother
Thyssen-Krupp German Steel. Pretty much same as 420HC. But since it's Thyssen-Krupp well it definitely is Good. For its specific uses. And People need to keep that in mind... When they decide to torture test different knives and get mad when it Breaks or gets Dull.
4034ss...very low carbon. Rc is sbout 56/57....I commend you for getting such a good result from that Cold Steel knife. Your sharpening skills are impressive young Jedi.
Maybe Cold Steel will make a combat shovel from that steel....you could dig a trench, hack your way though jungle vines, and kill enemy zombies with it in the zombie apocalypse. Very useful.
Inexpensive too
How is +40% a "slight performance edge" to the Tenacious?
So Spyderco is 140% of the performance compared to CS.
That's just 10 percentage points shy of half more! Huge difference.
Not to mention people always slam 8cr13mov, but as this test shows it is still, IMO, a capable performer whose edge will last most people all day, or all week, or all month. Bonus points for being easy to sharpen back to a razor edge.
Thanks!
please tell me what is his sharpening angle ?
0:22 - “rapidly changing “. Did you mean rapidly declining?
Yay FF8 music
Don't tell me, don't tell me, Bricky is off with some briquette?
When will you get some of artisan's ar-19pm new budget steel?
The sound effects made me laugh. :-)
CS says they get 57.5 RC from the 4034.
80 is low compared with d2 450 or rex 1200.
but we have to take into consideration the toughness of 4034.
i read in knife steel nerds its more than 6 times more tough than 1095.
for such a low priced steel its AEB-L and 3V toughness tier.
Pete goes on holidays. Co-workers: "Why the F*&^ do we have so much copier paper?"
I notice you can fold you knife with one hand. . . .do you loosen the bolt/screw that holds the blade ?
and, what sort of grinder are you using
Cereal eating critic is best critic.
Ya I’m off topic type of guy! Sorry,are those sharping systems worth the $? Do you ever sharpen freehand? If so what do you use? Thank you Sir and everyone have a great day and stay sharp!
Fantastic video!!!!
What the iphone app you use for your angle?
Der gute Kruppstahl!
Hey man. What's the name of the app on your phone for measuring angle degrees?
Thanks for the video my Bladed Brother 👍 ⚔️ ✝️ 🇺🇲