California bill seeks to ban Clear from state's airports
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- California state Sen. Josh Newman has introduced a bill that would ban Clear, a service that lets travelers who pay a yearly fee skip security lines, from the state's airports. Carter Evans reports.
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TSA pre-check is more secure, cheaper (free with some credit cards), the lines move faster, and you don't give up bio-identity information to a 3rd party company with lapses in its security.
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@@ajs11201 Thanks for the catch
If TSA can out-compete a private a company with superior service, then let them duke it out. No need for government intervention to squash a private company, when the TSA can do the same by stealing all the customers.
@lambertlum1087 Clear sells priority access to public/tax funded TSA line -- it's not providing it'd own line in the cases being talked about. To rephrase, it's a private company that is not paying for the government service it's selling access to. So, the bill would make it have its own line that it's paying for, instead of selling priority access to the tax funded line. This private company is extending wait times to tax payers who aren't paying them, for a service tax payers are funding.
That's egrocious. I had no idea that was what was happening -- that's obviously not fair.
@@hefoxed And the TSA can also provision eye scanners, but they don't. If private companies can fill in where the government doesn't, then let people pay the premium. There is nothing egregious about paying more to get more. I shop at Walmart. I don't begrudge people who shop at Nordstrom.
TSA pre-check is much better than clear.
And since my favorite credit card company covers most of the cost of Global Re-entry, which includes TSA pre-check, that's where I'm heading next when my current Pre Check expires. Consider it part of my White Privilege.
TSA pre-check is the same thing. But you’re paying the government instead.
Not true. TSA lines are now longer than ever. Not so with Clear.
100%, just get an appointment and get it done.
@@pdxwinotbh. Depends on the timing but tsa is never a fun experience.
Isn't that the business model?! First class ticket holders get to security faster usually.
I pay for first class tickets and I pay for Clear, Pre-Check and Global Entry all with my own money. I pay a lot more for these services to save myself time which is money. If I have the means and decide that’s where I choose to spend my money then I should get the perks that come with my choice.
Disney has “Fast Pass”, CalTrans has “Fast Track”, USPS has “Priority Mail”, Airlines have “First Class & Premium Economy”, Costco has “Memberships” …and I can go on and on in both private and government sectors. If they want to do away with one paid perk, then do away with them all.
Don’t they usually have their own lines? That’s what they’re trying to do here. At the very end of the video they clarify they don’t want to ban Clear but for Clear to have its own line. Rather than let people cut in line. If Clear has its own line, then these customers are better off just getting TSA precheck.
Gotta wonder, do these state lawmakers get preferential treatment and get to skip lines because of their position?
@@earthwormscrawlyep they do...if they don't have their own jet 😂
Yup. It's all about $ w these ppl. Smh. Y should those who pay for this service be penalized
This was literally the entire purpose of security theater. It's always been about scraping money out of people for no reason.
Actually it’s more nefarious than that. Communism is incremental just research history and you’ll see how progressive it is here. Security state is here. Soon digital currency loss of freedom
I have TSA Pre-Check. Much better than Clear. More secure. And I can breeze through the line with my shoes on and my MacBook stashed in my carry-on almost like it is 1999. 😎
You can use CLEAR to access TSA-PreCheck too. I have both and it gets me to the front of the TSA Prechek line. It's a great combo!
@@PeterMasella It depends on the airport. I don't personally have clear, yet at one of the major airports I use frequently, I see the Clear passengers maybe only one or two ahead of me in line. Some airports keep those precheck lines moving so fast, that the extra expense of Clear comes down to $200/year to jump ahead two positions in line. For that, I'll save my money and spend it on an upgrade or something else.
I mean… Most people that have clear also have TSA pre check, it’s not like we don’t enjoy the added benefit of skipping the TSA pre check line. Especially in east coast airports. So I would say my way is much better.
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I use Clear PLUS TSA-Pre and in most cases, I have no line, almost just go through and drop my stuff on the scanner, no opening bags, no taking off belt. Since I got that, I've been arriving at the airport literally 10 minutes before the boarding starts, and still end up getting to the gate early. This whole "haves and have nots" storyline is dumb. Air Travel is full of this. From seating, to boarding order, to private security and lounges, if you're willing to pay, you can get in front of other people, or get preferential treatment.
0:43 this is by far the worst justification for banning clear I've ever heard....if you have the money to pay for a service, that doesn't mean you must think yourself better than someone else
But the thing is, most clear passengers think they are better than regular passengers.
@@robertogurrola7465No they don't. I'm a Clear passenger, and I have literally never thought that due to my ability to go in front of you in the airport line. This is the first time I even heard this argument.
@@derpydude2739same. This is like banning business and first class seats
If you have the money to pay for a service that someone else cannot pay for, then by definition, you are better than them.
@@MikeF1189 that’s a terrible take. It only means that you have more resources. Nothing else.
"I paid $189 because I think i'm better than you" is a wild thing to say/ believe lmao.
Step one of the woke playbook is always to turn it into a class war
@@idwtgymnThe entire fascist playbook that the GOP now follows is based on perpetuating class warfare
People in this country buy f150 because they just want to show who's got the bigger car or truck. So, yeah, Americans are small minded in general.
The entire GOP playbook is based on authoritarian fascism, and that, like communism, is deeply rooted in a two-class system- the very comfortably wealthy who"ve never worked or served in the military, and a very poor working class.
@@idwtgymn Your comment is perplexing, since you can neither read nor count.
This headline is clickbait. You say it yourself in the actual article: "they don't want to ban Clear completely, just separate the laws." And the media wonders why people don't have a lot of respect for them anymore...
Separate the “line”. Not laws.
They shadow ban people for pointing out flaws.
😂
That's a naive interpretation unless you've already confirmed that separate *lines* are a practical (and practicable) solution. You haven't confirmed such. But hey, please continue being the big tough guy media critic complaining about coverage.
It's not a matter of laws, it's simply entitled broke people who think it's "not fair"
This legislation needs to make more sense. When I flew from San Diego Airport, CLEAR and TSA had separate lines. That's the incentive for paying the extra fees and going through the extra background checks and security. It sounds like the issue is with the airports.
Exactly. What’s the difference between Clear and TSA?
Ones federally governed and ones a private company
Yes but in some airports, Clear uses the Pre-Check lines and shove their customers ahead.
Complete stupidity. We have Fastrak here in CA. You pay to "jump the line" and avoid traffic on all the other lanes. Why are these idiots complaining about Clear to begin with?
Because clear scams!!! Required us and it was not required!
The system and app are disfunctional and very not functional!
If I was a peasant stuck in traffic, I would want a ban on Fastrak too.
Not exactly fast track using toll roads is not the same. There is no security check to use the highway everyday
The problem (one of many) with Clear, is that they are a private company making a profit by selling access to services that we all pay for with our tax dollars, without putting that money back into those services. With most other "pay to jump the line" services, the service itself is the one charging the fee, and so the money goes into supporting the services to which access is being sold. With Clear you just have a private company parasitizing a public service by selling premium access to services we all pay for with our taxes without putting that money back into the service that supports their business. That's like allowing a private company to sell access to restricted lanes on a freeway without requiring them to pay for road construction or maintenance, and paying for all of that with our taxes. This bill doesn't ban Clear - it just requires that they pay for the service that they sell access to by paying for extra security lines rather than simply collecting money for the use of the ones our taxes pay for. They would only be banned from airports where they don't pay for their own security lines.
I opt for TSA PreCheck primarily to bypass the hassle of removing shoes, belts, jackets, and extracting my laptop from my bag. Moreover, PreCheck lines usually have fewer people, which means less waiting for me. It's not about feeling superior to anyone else, as someone suggested; it's about making the travel experience a bit less stressful. This same logic applies when I choose to upgrade to a first-class ticket, budget permitting. The appeal lies in the larger seats, extra space, and having just one person next to me. It’s all about comfort and convenience, nothing more.
I have Global Entry. I still have to remove belts or anything that sets off the alarm.
Sounds like bribery wrapped up with a fancy wrapper
Eat your heart out, shut your mouth, and stay in your line!
@@davidh9844 eat a bag of your cold smoked sausage
@@davidh9844 I responded to your comment however it disappeared so censored I guess
It is, but instead it's called "lobbying"
Ok get rid of the toll lanes.
Ignorant much?
I'm enrolled in TSA PreCheck/Global Entry. That's good enough for me. In observing Clear, I don't see much of an advantage. You need PreCheck anyway. Depending on how busy the screening area is, Clear might even take you longer to get to the same spot. Anyway, I always get to the airport early. If Clear saves 2 minutes for $180 a year, that is no value to me.
@roachtoasties, I used to be the same as you, but since I have an AMEX Platinum card (which reimburses for TSA Precheck/Global Entry), I also got Clear (as the Amex reimburses for that annual fee as well), and TSA Precheck on its own was pretty good, but now using the Clear line in the TSA Precheck security line, I get through far more quickly. It's worth it for me, since I "don't pay for it" due to my credit card.
Used Clear a couple times but Pre-Check has always been better and cheaper
Before Clear, you could do a background check through the TSA website and get a clearance number card, and number which indicated that there had been an FBI background check. And it disapppeared after the private sector complained.
You can still do this, through two TSA programs: TSA Precheck and TSA Global Entry. With Global Entry you also get expedited passage through immigration when you return from traveling outside the country. The problem (one of many) with Clear, is that they are a private company making a profit by selling access to services that we all pay for with our tax dollars, without putting that money back into those services, whereas the TSA programs add the money from their programs back into the services that they use. What this bill does is not ban Clear, but require that they do the same if they want to operate at a given airport.
There should not be long queues at US security checks, if they had sufficient equipment, staff and decent competent management. Stop making excuses and go to the sources of the problems and “fix”it. The whole airline pre and post experience is pathetic and needs huge change.
Also trains, so flying was only a coast to coast/ international event.
Clear existing at all is proof that a lot of what TSA is about isn't necessary in the first place. $189/yr is a paltry amount to skip security. If you can pay to skip the security, it wasn't that necessary in the first place
You don’t get to skip security. Do try to pay attention and keep up! They skip the long line to security.
You don’t skip security. it’s not. Clear moves you the front of the line then you through the security checkpoint you are entitled to: TSA preacheck or the TSA standard line.
You have to be approved, by FBI 1ST. You have to go through background checks with FBI, DO A RENTA SCAN AND FIBGER PRINTS AND IF YOU PASS THEN YOU are able to go to shorter line!
Some politician didn’t get their kick back from a donor recently 😆 Is this really an issue. A few credit cards have the subscription service including. Plus TSA pre check is better for domestic.
I would pay a subscription fee to avoid traffic. If I had the money I would definitely pay to get ahead of the line.
Even if a terrorist could pay to join you? The problem with Clear is that it's less secure. This is about safety.
Those with ill intent find a way regardless of skipping a line. Besides, We all wind up at the same security check points. And to paying to avoid traffic?HELL YA! People take express lanes for free and for cost. It’s a simple matter of preferences. People should sign up for clear since they have free trial incentives! Try it before you knock it. It cost less than crappy couch potato streaming per month. $15 to be exact.
@@athenagreen5390 not true, do you have it?…it takes forever to apply and fill out a clear app, fingerprints license number, last three known addresses, they do a very through background check
@athenagreen5390 you know we go thru the same line. Same security people.
@@athenagreen5390 Then why is he framing it as a economic disparity issue. Have you even read the bill?
Might as well get rid of carpool lanes also.
As well as the “Fast Pass” at Disney.
No. Disney is its own business and Commiefornia already profits from them big time. Toll lanes are pure profit for the politicians as well. The politicians just want to ban clear because they don't have a way to profit as easily.
@@fearsomebeard4290 Fast pass on the bridges in the Bay Area as well.
Carpool lanes provide a benefit to society. Clear does not.
@@carolr7823yes it does make the regular lines shorter 😂
This is no different than the Pay-For-Use HOV lanes in CA. It doesn't make traffice flow better. It doesn't relieve congestion, it just benefits a few who pay. That's not the purpose of the CA Transportation agency, nor of the TSA or airports. Besides, once enough people have Clear, the number of line breakers will be so large that those in the regular lines may take significantly longer to reach the screening machines. It's unfair for those waiting.
Just pay for clear then. You probably don’t fly enough. If you fly once a year that just wait in line
@@JohnSkyLey I fly a lot actually - have TSA precheck. I was posting from a logical standpoint, not my own circumstance.
For everyone who seems confused: you do not skip security with Clear. You go through the identity screening at Clear to show you are a member. Then Clear moves you the front of the security lines (regardless if you are TSA PreCheck or not) then you through the security checkpoint you are entitled to: TSA preacheck or the TSA standard line.
I don’t understand what the problem is, you pay for expedited service and move through the line.
awe! i bet your parents taught you you can throw money at any situation and make it go away!
@nunyanunya4147 people have it, why not use it?
@@nunyanunya4147 Typical comment from a Lame… .
My parents didn't teach me that, I figured it out on my own. The ability to buy back your time is priceless and I have no problem paying money to do so. But you wouldn't understand that concept because you are angry at anyone who isn't like you.
@@nunyanunya4147that's quite a jump. I used it for instance because of a spinal problem that made it hard to stand for long.
@@nunyanunya4147 people do it every day. Buying fast food, instead of cooking. Taking toll roads, instead of highway. Buying digital movies to download rather than buying in store. Saving time is the American lifestyle
I use Clear before I travel a lot for work and they pay for it. Frequent travelers are often the ones that clear through security quicker because we know the process hands down.
Clear is useless. It’s unreliable and not in all airports, so it’s very inconsistent.
@@BlownMacTruck You're contradicting yourself. True, it's inconsistent, but it's not useless. Most of the larger/major airports use Clear, and it helps move folks through the process faster, which is especially important for those larger airports with a lot of passengers.
@@ajs11201 It's useless because where it actually is, it BARELY moves anyone faster. DEN which is arguably the best-case scenario for CLEAR due to DEN's ridiculous pre-check line setup, shaves off a total of 5-10 seconds - if CLEAR is working properly. If it's not (which can happen regularly) it's actually slower. Due to the new way TSA does ID checks, it's largely negated any benefits CLEAR brings to the table.
"Most" airports doesn't include places like ORD T3, JFK other than T4, LGA other than TC, etc, all of which are some of the heaviest airport terminals in the country.
And on top of that, you've given your bio data to a company that has a VERY sketchy agreement policy on their usage of that data. It's a garbage company that prioritizes profit over functionality, and it shows. This is what happens when you put privatization into public transportation security.
@@ajs11201 I'm not contradicting myself - you're the one disagreeing. It's useless because it's not some of the most heavily trafficked parts of the heaviest trafficked airports in the US, like ORD, LGA, JFK, half of ATL, etc. The place where it's deployed and should be the MOST effective - DEN, with it's terrible TSA PreCheck setup - it's not even faster since the TSA implemented the new ID checking procedure. And don't even get me started on the terrible user agreement you are paired with when you sign up and how the company can basically sell of your bio-derived data without any responsibility.
This is what happens when you privatize a core part of public transportation - an implementation that's guided by profit, not service.
@@BlownMacTruck Well, I'm no great fan of Clear. I've seen it used in different airports, with different degrees of success. And I certainly agree about the risks of selling your bio-derived data to some third-party company--especially now that they've had a data/security breach. My post above is commenting that the experience will be inconsistent between airports because airports are of different sizes and complexities. You're now adding clarity to your original post which I did not have advantage of when I responded to your original post.
And, finally, I'll add that I totally agree with you about DEN, which has been about my most horrible TSA experience in the country. Some years ago, I heard that the airlines pay the TSA contract--or have some financial or managerial connection to TSA. I don't know if that's true, but it does seem consistent that some of the worst airports also happen to be United hubs, viz., DEN, ORD, and SFO. As for LGA and JFK, I've never waited more than a very few minutes to get through TSA, but I fly Delta, so that may be a factor in my experience. That's more of a question than a statement, by the way.
You know that pain to line cut is terrible you say amusement parks we used to go to this one amusement park every year with our family and we could go in the year you stand in line for 2 hours and just because you have more money you get to come up and cut in line and yeah that's why I quit taking my family to amusement parks it just showed them that money talks and that's not something I wanted to teach my family
What amusement park did you go every year?
Can the state ban carpool lane as well?
only for Republicans, lol
They should ban toll roads first.
Pre and clear together are great. Though sometimes I see tsa-pre move faster than clear. The airport sucks, if you travel every other week for work it makes it just a little more tolerable. Clear isn’t worth it if you travel once or twice a year. Maybe this guy got hacked off when a clear and pre customer got in front of him, cuz he’s in state congress and wants to be treated more special.
Precheck is always supposed to be faster than clear. Clear is never supposed to be prioritized over standard or precheck passengers
LOL. THIS is what this California politician is concerned about? There are way more pressing issues at hand. 🙄
Because Cali politicians like to distract people from the real issue. So they make minute issues big because behind it, there's a more devious plan.. lol
Not a big fan of Ckear, but isn’t it the same as TSA? There’s a yearly fee to sign up for TSA?
The real fix is scaling back TSA since most of it is unnecessary
I still remember when I encountered these people. I thought the salesperson was a TSA Agent and when I heard him say "free trial" I grabbed my ID so fast from him and got away I thought I was going to burn holes in the carpet
TSA security theater.... it's ridiculous... it's a pointless waste of time.
I recently wondered why the airports don't invest in making the security experience fast and efficient for everyone. Sychronized walking pass security dogs, taking off your shoes, taking out electronics from your carry-on is getting frustrating.
Income inequality is getting worse !
LGA Had a 2 hr line once. Clear helped me get through it in less than 20 minutes..
Might as well remove Disney fast passes as well. Since only certain individuals can afford them
Not all customers pay for CLEAR. Many customers of CLEAR receive CLEAR for free because it is granted to them by the airlines due to having high level status. Just like many of those sitting in first class, many passengers seated there have received a free upgrade. This has nothing to do with "I'm better than you". It's a way for the airlines to say "Thank You" for your frequent flying.
Amex Platinum pays for your annual Clear Fee or at least set up fee.
Yep I get free clear and pre check. I travel a lot so it makes sense.
Or also it’s a benefit on many co-branded airline credit cards & some other higher end CCs like Amex Platinum
Precheck is expedited security screening. Clear is expedited ID verification prior to security screening. Best scenario is having both.
Right this is the most important issue in California
I have found that now at many busy airports that I can get through pre-TSA faster than Clear. More and more the Clear line is longer than TSA pre-check.
If this wasn’t offered nobody would be flying. The lines would be so long half the flights would be grounded.
Why not just make the system not suck? Oh, so they have a reason to upcharge you
Only reason you’d introduce this bill after a company’s already been around 14 years is because you had a long day and Clear had a customer cut in front of you
Get rid of the lines
Well hell, can we also ban the Fastrak Express Lane system? Why should those willing to pay a toll get traffic free commutes?!
Stupid bill. Give more money to the TSA so they can step their game up. CLEAR or No CLEAR, everyone still gets yelled at by the TSA agent with the bad attitude.
Not feasible to have a separate line? That's literally what TSA pre-check does. Shut up.
So then why does the state charge customers for the Fastrack lanes on the freeways? Those people are all paying to jump the line as well.
Yes, please, and hopefully other states will follow!
I have to agree with the politician, clear just clogs up the screening area with "line cutters" which slows the process for those that don't pay the $189/yr travel tax. If clear had it's own separate screening area where it didn't burden the poor peasants that have to use the taxpayer funded screen area, I wouldn't care about clear's operations. But as it is now, it's a privately owned line cutting service that cuts you to the front of the line of a tax-payer funded screening area of which many tax payers are inline waiting to use.
Your income tax dollars pay for the hangers of F-22s not 747s. The airport is paid for by your ticket sales and merchandise sales. The screeners are often privately contracted employees. Even the TSA PreCheck program is contracted to 3 private companies including Clear (deal finalized, not offered yet). The congressman in California doesn't care of someone pays to cut in line. Otherwise, he'll be going after Disney, Universal, and Six Flags. He is going after Clear, because Delta just set up a similar feature to CLEAR at LAX and he wants whatever Delta gave him from Clear.
Typical tax payer that has zero idea what taxes actually fund 😂
Why monopolize air travel? There's still scope for improving railways and bus services.
Back of the line poor people! I have a limo to catch!
Government not liking the competition with Pre-Check.
If it’s about a genuine security concern then why wasn’t that the first thing you said?? 🤨 Why even go into the whole classist thing?
Someone didn’t get their kickback
People already pay extra get in line first. Premium Economy and Business class ticket holders have their own security check line. International First Class ticket holders don’t even have a line. They have a luxury pickup service that takes them directly to First Class Jet bridge. Don’t confuse US domestic First class to International First class. US domestic first class is more like extra comfort seats. Just search CZcams for first class suites on Emirates or Singapore Airlines. You think the people flying like that wait in line?
Government should stop meddling with private industry and banning companies. 😑
Pre-check is so much better. Get rid of clear entirely as far as I’m concerned.
So thrilled that legislatures are working on such inconsequential things... sheezus...
Long overdue. Sick of the clear people cutting precheck lines.
This sets a terrible precedent
The next thing they will want to do is ban the more blatant “have and have not” institution of first and business class seating or anything that carries a up charge.
Im not sure about cutting the line because I noticed people were stuck in those kiosks while we flew right through tsa
Its just an extra fee to jump the line, ban it
Forget Clear. Get Global Entry which includes TSA Precheck.
So does TSA Pre check....
I use both. If the line in TSA is long I use Clear to get to the front of the TSA pre line. If you travel a lot, it's very useful to have both TSA and Clear. If you have to decide one or the other, get TSA pre.
Of course it's a California lawmaker...
I actually get clear through one of my credit cards, I wouldn’t use it otherwise
California should focus on shop lifters
I am on board with getting rid of Clear. It just congests the tsapre and standard lines and stops them from moving smoothly. Pay for their own security lane. They don't get the same background check as other tsapre and global entry systems. Just pay money and get a quick pass.
Since I've used both TSA Pre Check and CLEAR, I feel that I can chime in on this issue. TSA Pre Check is meant to make getting through security faster, and easier. CLEAR escorts you to the front of the security line, whether that be the standard security line or the Pre Check line.
The TSA Pre Check lines still can get very long, especially around holidays, making it bascially redundant. So, if you have CLEAR, a long line wont matter at all, cause you won't have to wait in it.
Excellent use of the word “turbulence”
Clear is a waste of time and money. I had clear for a year and it did not help in reducing the wait times ( i travel pretty extensively ).
Seem unnecessary
How are airlines "losing revenue" with Clear?
Glad they're dealing with the important issues in California...
TSA pre-check is much better anyways and much more secure than a private company that has numerous security violations.
Great idea! Let's get rid of some people paying more state tax because they're "better than poor people!"
Will this apply to the fast pass system on toll roads and bridges?
It wasn't clear enough.
if it has 1m customers how are they only making 13m?
The folks that (in my mind) foolishly pay for Clear actually help keep the standard line shorter, more people that use Clear the faster me and the other folks get through regular security quicker.
Wait until they hear about Business and First Class ...
Airlines threaten to raise prices if CLEAR is removed? Wow, that’s hilarious
Wow, I cannot IMAGINE anyone from Cali thinkin one person was better than another. Lord, say it isn't so!
Sounds like someone with too much power had a bad experience with CLEAR in CA and is trying to throw their weight around.
Pay to jump the line on the freeway too fastrak/toll roads and all their fines/fees
The problem is it gives the airlines an incentive to make the regular lines even slower. A theme park won’t do that because it might put off customers altogether but airline passengers have no choice.
What about the first class seats on the airplane?
TSA pre check is paid too. I’m fine with it
Clear is mostly for frequent travelers, they pay extra and skip the line... I don't see the issue
But this guy is ok with the fast trac lanes, what a hypocrite
But California allows drivers paying extra to use car pool lines
It’s not fair? Is it not fair that some sit in first class and others in coach?
0:15 - California politicians have created a system of "haves and have nots". Clear is akin to flying business or first class; it's an affordable option that any traveller can purchase for a year. Seeing these other comments; you must have TSA pre check to have clear; clear is biometrics and background check via pre check. It's really time to either hire more TSA agents or restrict flights.
Do something about the long lines and people won't need services like Clear. Until then, this bill should be DOA. Fire him for even considering it.
That bill will be irrational from the point of view that same people pay Toll taxes to have a better access to the highways and bridges, same people pay extra cash to access the business class tickts then how clear is different ??
i dont see the problem. its not about getting to the gate at the same time, but arriving to the airport much later, and be sure you will make it to your gate.
This is ridiculous. I enjoy CLEAR very much!