Sig Sauer 716: Worth It?
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2016
- The Sig Sauer 716 is a piston driven AR that is chambered in 7.62X51. I was really excited about shooting this gun and having the rifle fill in for a designated marksman rifle in my collection.
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My 716 is a tank. I've never had a feed or extraction failure. When it's time to clean, I'm always struck with the thought, "Did I shoot this gun?" Gotta love the piston system.
I Was Fortunate Enough To Check Out The Sig Sauer 716 DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) And The 716 Patrol, The DMR Is Heavier Without The Iron Sights Or Bi-Pod Installed, The Barrel On The DMR Is 18" And Is A Heavy Match Grade And Appears Thicker, The Hand Guard Is Also Longer, It Has A Magpul PRS (Precision Rifle/ Sniper) Stock And A Geissele 2 Stage Match Trigger. This Gun Is A Sub Minute Of Angle (MOA) With .75 (3/4") Groups At 100 Meters (328"). In My Opinion This Is A Great Gun For Designated Bench Rest Or Bi-pod Use, Weight Does not Bother Me For This. Like Comparing A Car And A Truck - Each has A Specific Use. The Car Cannot Haul Like The Truck, The Truck Cannot Get The Fuel Mileage Like The Car! These Are Both Great Guns.
As a former marine armor, I agree and preferred the piston than gas.
i generally like your review sir.
i can't hate on anyone that likes firearms.
what i don't like is when people complain about weight.
sure there's feather weight stuff being made, but if someone thinks 10 lbs. is end of the world heavy they should start lifting weights.
My AR15 with the scope mounted is exactly 8lbs. I can't imagine 10lbs being SOO heavy that I'd pass on it. Nor am I a small guy either so, I can handle a 10lb AR10 no problem !!
i lift weights every second day, 10 pounds is nothing for me while in the gym. Still, i get tired humping around my 9 pound recce ar with ir-laser and silencer all day, especially in the mountains. Weight in the gym and firearms weight is not the same!
@@basti080891 well said. I feel like anyone who can't relate to rifle weight probably hasn't carried it for 8+ hours and thats conservative. Most times your carrying 18-20 hrs a day depending on deploy ment
I agree man I hear that shit all the time. Start lifting. If manufacturers start listening to weak men and start to produce light weight garbage people will then complain about quality or recoil. Men get stronger.
Weight's are for models.
Man the Fuck up and carry your lifeline.
I have a 716 as well. My gun is great with a Geissele SSA trigger. I get less than 1" groups with 165 grn. HPBT hand loads. My 716 never has had a failure to feed or eject. Just a slight dent in brass during ejection. The weight really doesn't bother me with this gun or I wouldn't have purchased it. I love the gun, 100% reliable so far but I clean and lube mine thoroughly especially out of the box.
mauricio medeiros I'm so glad to hear you say that I have this exact parts and going to get them installed at some point so glad to know I made right Upgrade choice. awesome gun but I knew this was a true battle rifle this is my back up my main event is the SCAR17
Thanks for the review. I just got one to complement my 20" LWRC REPR. In my sample, while the stock trigger is heavy, it isn't overly so and it doesn't have the issues of creep or over travel. As my REPR has most of the bells and whistles, I plan on leaving mine fairly stock with a 4x or 1x4 scope.
Excellent video. A lot of useful information. Will be picking up a Sig 716 2016 new rail, light weight, Hiper trigger, mags, and ammo. So 3K plus. Better than golf.
Very good review. I agree, the Sig 716 is a heavy rifle, even for an AR-10. They are making AR-10s lighter now. The bulky quadrail is a bit much for my taste. But the quality of Sig Sauer is top notch, and the price point for a piston AR in 308 caliber, makes this a good rifle. I paid $1750 from an online gun store a few years ago. I also agree that the trigger was pretty bad. I too went with the Geissele SSA trigger. Well worth it. I think we have the same scope. The Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x32. I went with a Magpul ACS-L stock, PWS PS30 muzzle device, and an Atlas bipod (which I noticed you recommended). I am not a marksman and get about 2 MOA with cheap target ammo. A shame that 308 and 7.62 NATO ammo is so damned expensive. Funny thing is, I splurged on a box of fancy Hornady TAP ammo once, and I was still only getting 2 MOA. Go figure. I live in a heavily wooded area in the Pacific NW, so I rarely have an opportunity to stretch it out beyond 200 yards anyway. For me, it's a real blast to have a 16 inch barrel AR with that kind of power even for medium and close range in the woods. Never had a malfunction with maybe 1500 rounds through it in 3 years. Recoil is fairly light because it's a little heavy and the PWS compensator. Just don't stand too close on my side or you will experience the thunder. A suppressor would make this rifle the complete package for me.
I love my 716 powerful and fun to shoot. you really can reach out and touch or something. I have been shooting ARS and M16s just love it not more to say.
i have a gen. 2 and I love it. i probably will change the trigger but until then its great.
I love the older Sig guns, the 556 commando, and this 716 gas piston.
Good review. have one myself. dont know how to use it but these videos help.
Oh and a good review.
Well done
Try some Hornady American Gunner 155gr BTHP & it might surprise you....yes, definitely get another trigger. I'd also recommend a POF roller cam pin, it does smooth it up.
Wish the Indian Govt does as much inspection as you did before buying the Sig 716 in bulks.
Keep up the good work.👍
Don't be stupid... Indian Army does the testing and approves it... Later govt comes up with proposal... U r no close to army
They have been heavily tested idiot.
Thanks, smart ass. Now tell me how tf did INSAS rifle got approved for the Army??? Or how we always ended up with a fuckin scam for every major imports???
great review man
I paid about $1,700 before tax for mine. I was getting SUB-MOA accuracy with some federal matchking ammo and a 1-6 scope. Also was the largest caliber rifle I had ever shot at the time.
Good review on the 716. I have a 716 patrol rifle. Like others have stated, the trigger is garbage. I actually put in a CMC flat trigger with a 3 1/2 pound trigger pull. It's a great drop in replacement. My rifle eats ammunition with no problem. However, it does scratch the bullet service a little bit. It probably needs a break in a little bit more from what I've been reading. The only other comment I'll make a reference to the video, is that you mentioned scar 16 being a 308. The scar 17 is the 308 version.
The rifle is a little heavy, the trigger could be better but I am getting 2 inch groups at 100 yards I put a Lucid red dot with a 2X. This past deer season took one at 100 yards and one at 150 the 308 dropped them both like a rock. Rifle as I said a little heavy but for stand hunting excellent. I may put a scope on it this summer for shooting the 600 yard range.
I have the 16" Patrol version and have installed a Rock River 2-stage trigger and 4-12x Nikon. It shoots sub-moa with almost every handload. I would try shooting off of a good rest instead of the bipod as an experiment. If I was hauling a rifle up/down mountains, would not use this. I just walk to a tree stand and go up. The weight does dampen any shakes.
Normally if 1 round is off from the rest of the group it's user error or ammo I've seen videos of what this gun is really capable of with good ammo and being rested and it's capable of groups at less than 1 MOA
nice review. good info.
i dont mind when manufacturers give us basic mil-spec triggers even in higher end models because triggers are very personal things. very subjective things.
we all have our favorites or preferred triggers and i dont want to pay $200 for a trigger that i dont want. id rather the rifle come with a $30 mil-spec trigger that i can easily replace with the trigger i want. or do what S&W does and produce a really nice enhanced mil-spec trigger at a very modest cost increase.
or use a ALG ACT. i have 2 of them and while not the best by far, i can be perfectly content with it. i even have one in my amazing FN 18" match grade sporter SPR. i traded the excellent Timney it came with to a buddy and installed the ACT with the intentions of replacing it with a Geiselle or Lantac/CMC etc but im still happy with it.
ditto for muzzle devices. unless the manufacturer has developed a very effective device, just put an inexpensive A2 birdcage on it and ill replace it with my favorite muzzle device later. no sense in wasting money on something i may not like.
and the same can be said of the grip and stock and even the handguard in many instances.i just dont mind receiving a new rifle with an A2 grip and basic M4 style stock because thats another maybe $50 saved that isnt tacked on to the price. maybe $250 if you include a handguard.
between those 4 or 5 items thats a potential cost reduction of up to $400 to $600 the manufacturer doesnt tack on to the price.
and i can replace the stock parts as im able to.
imagine if that Sig 716 came with all basic parts, for $1600 !
you simply add your favorite kit and rock on. no sticker shock upon purchase and no money wasted on equipment you dont like.
It "throws rounds" when the piston / operating rod / gas block gets too much carbon. Give it a really good cleaning and it should stop the flyers.
The DMR somes with a Geisele SSA, but I woud reccomend a Geisele Mational Match
India ordered 71000 of these. 😊
72400*
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I have the same gun, it shoots amazing and yes it is heavy and the trigger sucks. But I took the trigger out and replaced it with elfman trigger. I will take the buffer spring out and replace it with a JP buffer spring. Do a few more things with it and i will have a badass rifle. Nokt that it isn't badass already.
My big salute for americans.. proud of thems
I purchased my 716 Patroll Gen 2 rifle nearly two years ago. I had to purchase before CommiCali neutered them. It's a great rifle l. I've put over 600 rounds through it. The trigger isn't the best. But, overall it's a great rifle. Paid $2150 due to purchase from New Jersey FFL to CA FFL transfer and CA tax.
Caldwell makes an good and affordable bipod, it’s called the AR bipod.
I was getting 3" at 100 yards with my open sights, I went with the Lucid with the 2X as I am getting older and never have used optics and thought that would be a good choice. Bench shooting I get 1 1/2 " groups off hand 4" at 100 yards , will it help or hinder. As I said this is the first time I have used any kind of optics. I will be in the woods with my 716 deer hunting season.
Did you take it Deer Hunting? If so, how was it? Did the weight get to you? What ammo did you use?
What is P and W ammo?
Sig is superior in both rifles and pistols. The .308 is naturally going to be a heavier rifle than the .223. To me the extra weight helps off set the recoil. The complaint on the shot placement might be attributed to maybe a barrel that has gotten a little overheated, shooter error or poor ammunition quality. Try the .308 Remington premier match 165 grain Sierra MatchKing hollow point round. It's a bit pricey for plinking rounds, but there are spot on when it comes to performance.
Very nice review. Did you every change the trigger? If so, are you shooting tighter groups and are you enjoying the rifle more?
I bought one years ago and the stock trigger had what felt like a 10# pull (LOLL). I changed it out for an Elftman tactical and now am VERY happy. Smooth shooting and tight groups. Also I installed a PSA 1 - 6 optic.
Nice review! I have a 716 Patrol and I agree with your trigger and weight issues. I put a Geissele SSA-E in and it breaks like glass. Have you ever noticed any bullet deformation when a round is being loaded into the chamber? Mine used to but has gotten a little better. Also, do you think you will change out the hand guard? I have always wanted to...
I haven't seen any bullet deformation on my Sig when I load rounds into the chamber. I'll probably install a M-LOK rail on my 716 if they are available for the Sig. If the M-LOK is not available, I will probably just install a keymod rail.
Donny Lansing j
I have a patrol with black lettering which is technically the gen1.5 and I have check all that stuff and it leaves my rounds clean and nice going in and the brass coming out is clean and nice. I have a few hundred rounds through it and never had one malfunction.
Donny Lansing Just with Winchester on cold days. on those same days I have short cycling and double feeds. Short loading the mag's and changing the gas block settings clears that up. Colorado weather changes by the minute, so having that option really helps change a short day at the range into a long one.
Do they have a bullpup version of this baby girl yet sweetheart???? Because when I held my friends at the range it just felt so front heavy and he didn't have the bipod or can on it!!! However a scope.
The recoil looks deadly !! I dunno Y our defence ordered it as i feel its a DMR not an assault rifle ! Or correct me if I am wrong !!!
There is no such thing as a assault rife. That term is just a political trem
I was getting about 2 MOA out of ball ammo, was going to sell it. Just for grins I tried Rem Core locked and got Sub MOA. Now it is my hog gun.
Indian special forces are waiting for this 72400 units of sig saur 716 petrol rifles ...
I think your should try shooting it again on sandbags so I am not going to say the accuracy is poor considering you are shooting from a wobbly bipod. I get better groups with mine shooting 155g palmas but I also don't shoot off a bipod and I am not the worlds best bench shooter. I will say I do not have a problem shooting man sized steel targets 200-600m in one shot with this rifle and a SWFA 10x HD optic in a larue mount with 20moa built in. Once the LWRCi CSASS hits the shops, I will be selling the Sig and upgrading.
what kind of bipod is he using?
anyone tell me?
Carlos _ Harris
It will do a lot better than that. Get the Hiperfire 24C installed and fix the trigger issue once and for all. Then score a limbsaver slip on pad. It will fit on an inch or so. Razor blade the bottom of cup beyond where it grips, to in line with your stock. Still needs to come off to clean the debris. It will be a godsend on the follow up shots. Next research your ammo. Cheap and mid line ammo is fine for tin cans. You want groups so pay the piper on top end hornady, or work even higher end handloads. Last, you need to dominate the F* outta that bang stick. Rewind the vid. You are focusing on the sight pic and going floppy on your control. You can clearly see it in the way the bullet is trying to spin the barrel and rocking it to the side. I had a craptastic bipod like that one. yep get a good one. Force the weapon down to the table and counter the twist and rock with opposing force. It will be very easy to film and make the corrections at the table. when you get into the dirt and brush, you will already be trained to dominate it. Keep filming from the rear like you did and then you can see what to work on. Each of those will tighten up the groups some. All together....lots.
So far the local newspaper reporting in India , Indian army found this weapon manufacturer the lowest bidder for supplying very huge no of rifals. Hear is the news
As follows.

Security
The SiG 716 rifle could be the replacement for Indian Army’s INSAS
SUJAN DUTTA
3 mins ago

The fast-track procurement process for the rifles has not yet been finalised, and will likely be pushed back to April next year.
New Delhi: A rifle made by US-based SiG Sauer, the SiG 716, could well be the replacement for the Indian Army’s INSAS, after it emerged as the lowest bidder last week in a tender for standard-issue assault rifles.
The Army had issued a tender in February to buy 72,000 assault rifles, the primary weapon of the soldier in the frontlines, and 94,000 carbines through a ‘fast-track procedure’.
“But the procurement process is still being refined,” a defence ministry source told ThePrint.
Welcom to india.. amesing weapons..
These make a good a oar if you have a canoe or kayak.
Yes the HK is the Best
But hard to drop 6Grand on a naked rifle.
You should know that the Patrol Version is not a dmr...... There is a sig 716 dmr...... I got the same rifle but with a sig bravo 5 and a Red dot.... So dont wonder if the groopings are not thaaaaat good..... But Mine were better... 100meters (110 Yards) hole in hole
Can you run steel ammo????
You can, I have in my Patrol 1st Gen But be careful I ran some cheap Tula but I have gotten some bad batches where the end where the primer is at gets ripped off completely like if i got a can opener and cut it lol, While the rest of the casing is inside causing a double feed then you fire the double feed(if you're not paying attention to your spend casing) since the bcg didn't close all the way all the pressure is released to the mag. It blew the bottom of my AIC metal mags off from the pressure including the rest of the unfired ammo, It scared the shit out of me the first time ( yes the first lol) I was afraid i had blown off my hand lol then with that extra force pushing in the first casing and jamming it more, well it took me a while taking off that casing while trying not to scratch my barrel. And before anyone says my gas setting was on high, It wasn't. I've never had a problem with any brass ammo.
So..... try it but be careful!
I did the 4 pound timney. Now it feels like a real rifle
I love my 716 with whisky 5 optic on it, but seriously I threw that trigger in the trash as soon as I could. if you're looking for a good workout take that rifle with you backpacking through the woods the only thing that's going to lose weight is my fat ass, and mine came with Magpul furniture on it and thanks for doing a great review
The Thing is i want to doo a eotech 1-10
how much does it weigh
Kc Don it's about 9 pounds unloaded
does anyone make a 30 rd mag for it
a 25 round mag can be found
Magpull makes a 25 round with a round count window.
Is it really a 308? The mag looks like 223?
It is. Just had it in my hands. Sand colored beauty
Hello America!
The Indian Army would much prefer if you guys came up with a belt fed mechanism for this one.
Would prove to be very handy in the LOC eliminating the need for constant reload. (*belt fed + bipod would be a dream, tbh.)
And as for the time bieng, we would love it if you shipped the guns to us with drum mags along with free angled grips.
(*Oh, Come on! We deserve some free stuff for such huge orders! )
Lantac Dragon ALL THE WAY
Go or nogo for hoghunting up to 100yds? Legally need a 308w here in nordic europe and cant operate boltaction
I'd choose the 50 cal. Beowulf instead...it's actually lighter too!
@@marks9882 how is the ballistics on that need it to run 2000J with a 10gram round at 100m
Mark StPierre 4
INDIA ordered 1st time
71,000 of these 2nd time 1,25,000 of these.
NATO 7.62X51 VS NATO 5.56X45 I take 7.62x51 one shot one kill. Heavy amo but if it takes three shots for 5.56 and one shot for 7.62 you need only one third the amount of amo with match grade amo more accuracy out to longer distance DMR keeps them far away. Sig Sauer 716 Patrol for CQ better chance of going thru armor. My choice would be Sig Sauer 716 DMR.
5.56x45 is a varmint round.
Dam.
Indian Army's Newest weapon
OFB 7.62×51 is batter than this, India should order that instead of importing.
If it were me I’d prefer to shoot watermelons with a scope mounted .308 rifle from inside 5 yards, instead of the 10 yards you were shooting them from. 10 yards is just too far out for what I’m comfortable with.
Sig 716 is NOT Mil-Spec
Sig Sauer has it's own bule print.
the seat is way to small its not what thy tell you
um
Oh super , he hits Melons of five meters. In my Time in the german Bundeswehr we hit those Targets in a Distance of 300 meters with the G3!
Dude heavy? Nehmen take a HK Mr308... Its naked 6kilos 1,5 Kilos more than the sig...
Yes the weight sucks but
Man the fuck up and pull your weight!!!
Cause when the bullet's start flying
The 716 patrol is what you want to have. When you hit your target with a 308 round they go down Fast
One and Done. unlike the 556 or AK. The ONLY true problem with the 716 is it's not mil-Spec. But still in my opinion the best Battle rifle out.
This guns speciality is accuracy ...good for border security forces
This is a horrible attempt to copy the HK MR762. It took SIG three generations to get things somewhat corrected.
Yeah, but 716 passed the "Over the Beach Test" HK Models failed.
I also like when guns are heavy and solid, dont mind the weight. I love that gun.
Q: Why shoot watermelons with a Suppressed DMR at 10 yards???A: Oxymoron.
Live&LetLive spot on. Moreover, using the Greek word "oxymoron" clearly says something about you. Hats off to you my friend.
Look like m416 from #pubg
I agree! That is horrible accuracy. I good DMR should do way better with ball ammo.
he said dmr varient or w/e in beginning but it certainly looks like the patrol version ...needs longer barrel/handguard so I think it was just him calling it a dmr..
Should have worn your skinny jeans.
Bad weapon
Normally if 1 round is off from the rest of the group it's user error or ammo I've seen videos of what this gun is really capable of with good ammo and being rested and it's capable of groups at less than 1 MOA