He is unbelivable. A lot of can be connected to the Christianity just he calls things different names. I think Plotinus is the most underrated philosopher. A capability to go so deep into the methaphisical that Aristotle never had or other mainstream philosophers.
I just finished the whole vid this is actually super deep. Whenever i forget the things i learn in research, I will use this to recollect my memory because wow..
I love Plotinus. I’m surprised he’s not more well known, especially when considering what a huge influence on Christianity he was. Great explanation in this video.
@@obscuredictionary3263 Denomination? 1 Corinthians 12-18. I do not belong to any denomination, I am a believer in the risen Christ and a born again Christian with the Bible as my soul authority on spiritual matters.
This is one of the most amazing explanations for the issue of Self Relationship i've ever heard. I struggle with Plotinus but you have made these few words stand out like a firework and when exploding I am caught in the majesty of insight ! Well done !
Wow this is great. But why are comments disabled in your other videos. I have so many questions. 1. Does plotinus solve Epicurus paradox? 2. What happens according to Plotinus upon a death of human? Does the soul automatically ascend to divinity or get stuck eternally if not freed before death or is there reincarnation? 3. What is the role of the one in ascension of soul, if any? 4. I saw your another video on arguments for universals, what is your take on Buddhist concept of Apoha?
on Epicurus paradox evil is a privation of wisdom/good it does not exist as a "creation" from the good but instead from the ignorance of the irrational part of the soul that is distinct to the decent of the soul 2: upon death what happens is dependent on if said soul of a person that has died has transcended or how much wisdom said person has upon death. as far as I know if not transcended the cycle of birth and rebirth here wherever here is, will continue. Death is not transcendence in its own rite. 3: as far as I know the One is the principle of noumena and phenomena. the soul upon seeing the beauty of the One must devise a way in which it can become one with it. 'Let him who can, follow and come within and leave outside the sight of his eyes and not turn back to the bodily splendours which he saw before. when he sees the beauty in bodies he must not run after them ; we must know that they are images, traces, shadows and hurry away to that which they image' Plotinus Ennead I:On Beauty
Well done! I appreciate your explanatory videos Mr. Steinhart, especially the use of citations and visualizations of Plotinus` system. I'm generally interested in Idealism and Neoplatonism and it's relation to German Idealism, as a student of philosophy. I wonder how much one has to get into mysticism and theology, in order to properly understand the philosophy of most of the relevant thinkers? Not that I seek to become a "believer", but attempts to conceive of god or the soul, permeate the history of philosophy obviously. Anyways, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
The 'Fallen Soul' is not corrupted by its Form, and which form has the Design of its Form to create more Life, or 'garden' it, for more Souls, and just as the Form of Apple-tree recreates itself as Souls of its form to fill out base matter into the beauty of Form by Design of the Soul to procreate the Soul, ad infinitum...the Soul of the individual form is the Data Soul, which returns to the Design to be reborn into another soul to continue the process of Design, forever... Selah :)
This is great. Plotinus's views matches so much with 'Advaita'. Are these verses of Plotinus that are included in your video, taken from Enneads? If so, may i know whose translation of Enneads you've used in your video since I'm looking for an introduction to his life and philosophy in simple English. Thanks.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Well, no according to Platonism, the one is beyond thought. Krishna is just another deity of deities, if you looking into the chain of being and the emanations you would have known this.
Yes. I'm glad someone said it. Mind and body are two sides of the same thing. They are impressions and expressions of reality that cannot be separated. To call matter false is absurd. It is our constructs of self and the world that are false. They are maps not the territory.
plotinus is so reach. both in philosophy and theology. am presently ready him in comparison with parmenides for degree program. i need more help on him please
It would seem correct that Plotinus in keeping with Plato thought matter and the body were *less real* than the intelligible world, but I noticed in this commentary that you further referred to body as a "Disease" or "illness" of the soul. These adjectives seem a bit strong in my own understanding of Plato (and Plotinus). Does Plotinus really think of the body this way? This repugnant attitude toward the body sounds more Gnostic, actually. I know Plotinus says matter without form is evil because it is passive, inert, and therefore a privation of soul. But that's quite different than saying the body is evil, since physical bodies are composites of matter and form in Platonic Metaphysics. Is Greek hylomorphism just out of the question? Was Plotinus a Cartesian substance dualist or something? This doesn't sound right to me. What's your take on this? Thanks.
He didn't like the physical world, but also believed that one should not complain about where Divine assigned him to be. He suffered his whole life. I love his works. I don't understand, though, how he could experience the enlightenment and still be in such a bad physical condition. Why didn't he acquire the wisdom to be healed?
If we believe Plotinus' student Porphyry, and I personally think we should, Plotinus in fact did loathe being embodied. (And in fact, in some sense we must take Porphyry's word for it because Porphyry edited the entire collection of notes by Plotinus into the Enneads as we know it.) Following Porphyry's description, Plotinus refused all treatment allowed his illness to worsen over time but was unworried. The beginning of Porphyry's biography of Plotinus begins, "Plotinos the philosopher, who lived recently, seemed ashamed of having a body." The details of his health habits are abnormal--Plotinus refused to treat his digestive disease with any method, and never bathed but received a massage daily. When he was sufficiently ill, his masseuse contracted plague from him and died. It's fairly certain that Plotinus viewed matter as an "evil" thing.
If you suffer from a debilitating chronic disease like I do, viewing the body as a "disease" or an "enemy" becomes very understandable. I've come to accept the fact that the human body decays very quickly as a result of entropy. There is certainly no point in becoming overly attached to one's body.
@@davidpiersol2375 There may be more than one possible interpretation of Porphyry's account. What you provided also isn't the only account Porphyry offered. He also depicts Plotinus behaving more moderately toward the body, rather than violently ascetic or resigned and careless. Consistent with what Plotinus actually says, his view seems to closer resemble the "middle way" of Buddhism rather than the way of the Jains (to give a sloppy comparison). books.google.com/books?id=Nj0UAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA710&lpg=RA1-PA710&dq=plotinus+refused+treatment+porphyry&source=bl&ots=erJfgA2xnE&sig=ACfU3U12Dr8bOzBvQMWcd1j6rolvIAionA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTgoOb7q_qAhVRHs0KHXdjBjoQ6AEwCnoECA8QAQ#v=onepage&q=plotinus%20refused%20treatment%20porphyry&f=false His Platonic Metaphysics: Matter is evil insofar as it lacks Form because it is passive, inert, and "dumb." But the physical cosmos is timelessly sustained by the One because it is part of it. Therefore, matter and form are constituents of the body. The Neoplatonists were monists, not substance dualists. So I don't see how Plotinus can malign the body as you say without being involved in a performative inconsistency.
Can i ask why you have combined Plotinus' work with Christian theory? Are they synonymous? in other words, did Plotinus combine the Christian aspect into his philosophy.
No, he did not. Plotinus spoke against the Gnostics, which is the form of Christianity around in his time. However, he did believe in divinity as such.
Plotinus is the most mystifying of all the Greeks. As I started learning about him through the Arabics, I mistook him for Plato. No wonder, since their names are one letterswap away from being the same.
Chaos would be the analogue to the One, Eros would be the analogue to Nous, Uranus would be the analogue to the World Soul and Gaia would be the analogue to Sense World.
Very good!, but doesn't have methods of returning to the divine nature. Those were developed later by the Buddhists and Hindus. Meditation and the repetition of mantras are among the techniques, along with hatha yoga using breathing and mudras.
Kind of like you have forgotten you are consciousness rather than its contents in which the mind and the world appear. Half of our life is spent asleep (while awake) as in we aren't fully aware where our attention or consciousness is. We just tag along being dragged by the mind forgetting what we were doing or that we are even thinking. The soul thinking it is now material untill you’meditate and resolve duality and find no material soul or self. The soul being material is a wrong view or illusion Very buddhist
Excellent untill "..the body is a like a disease or illness..." which sounds completely wrong, this opinion or interpretation is not supported here by any quotes from Plotinus. Disappointing.
Plotinus has a lot of interesting things to say, and I hope more people watch this video and take a look at his works.
He is unbelivable. A lot of can be connected to the Christianity just he calls things different names. I think Plotinus is the most underrated philosopher. A capability to go so deep into the methaphisical that Aristotle never had or other mainstream philosophers.
Plotinus had a huge influence on Christianity prior to the council of Nicea
@@glebperch7585 And afterward. Neoplatonism was very popular in the High Middle Ages.
@@jamesaustin5832 It had a huge resurgence through Aquinas and again in the Renaissance
Agreed he's unbelievable, except Christianity is superstitious nonsense by comparison
I feel bad for the people who haven't looked in on this yet. This knowledge is utterly essential
I just finished the whole vid this is actually super deep. Whenever i forget the things i learn in research, I will use this to recollect my memory because wow..
I love Plotinus. I’m surprised he’s not more well known, especially when considering what a huge influence on Christianity he was. Great explanation in this video.
If by Christianity you mean Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox which incorporated pagan elements and philosophy straying from the early Church then yes.
@@anonymousapostle5657 What denomination are you?
@@obscuredictionary3263 Denomination?
1 Corinthians 12-18. I do not belong to any denomination, I am a believer in the risen Christ and a born again Christian with the Bible as my soul authority on spiritual matters.
@@obscuredictionary3263 sole*
@@anonymousapostle5657 Non denominational is a denomination in my view. Maybe I should re-frame the question. What church do you attend?
This is one of the most amazing explanations for the issue of Self Relationship i've ever heard. I struggle with Plotinus but you have made these few words stand out like a firework and when exploding I am caught in the majesty of insight ! Well done !
Fantastic!
This is great, thanks.
It's so hard to familiarize myself with the idea that the body, rather than the soul, is contained but I'm sure I'll get there.
This is very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing, Dr. Steinhart
You are the Best. have no words to express It properly thanks for what you share
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Thx I really appreciate 🙏 . God bless
Thank you.
Thank you Eric, I very much enjoy your presentations, especially the ones concerning Neoplatonism. It greatly aids me in assimilating the Enneads.
Excellent content .. a new subscriber ...
Great.
wow!
Brilliant, profound and imminently precise.
Gloria in Excelsis Deo!
Wow this is great. But why are comments disabled in your other videos.
I have so many questions.
1. Does plotinus solve Epicurus paradox?
2. What happens according to Plotinus upon a death of human? Does the soul automatically ascend to divinity or get stuck eternally if not freed before death or is there reincarnation?
3. What is the role of the one in ascension of soul, if any?
4. I saw your another video on arguments for universals, what is your take on Buddhist concept of Apoha?
what is epicurus paradox?
on Epicurus paradox evil is a privation of wisdom/good it does not exist as a "creation" from the good but instead from the ignorance of the irrational part of the soul that is distinct to the decent of the soul
2: upon death what happens is dependent on if said soul of a person that has died has transcended or how much wisdom said person has upon death. as far as I know if not transcended the cycle of birth and rebirth here wherever here is, will continue. Death is not transcendence in its own rite.
3: as far as I know the One is the principle of noumena and phenomena. the soul upon seeing the beauty of the One must devise a way in which it can become one with it. 'Let him who can, follow and come within and leave outside the sight of his eyes and not turn back to the bodily splendours which he saw before. when he sees the beauty in bodies he must not run after them ; we must know that they are images, traces, shadows and hurry away to that which they image' Plotinus Ennead I:On Beauty
Well done! I appreciate your explanatory videos Mr. Steinhart, especially the use of citations and visualizations of Plotinus` system. I'm generally interested in Idealism and Neoplatonism and it's relation to German Idealism, as a student of philosophy. I wonder how much one has to get into mysticism and theology, in order to properly understand the philosophy of most of the relevant thinkers? Not that I seek to become a "believer", but attempts to conceive of god or the soul, permeate the history of philosophy obviously. Anyways, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
See Schopenhauer on Hegel !
". A monument to the Stupidity of the German People ".
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Platinus is a Prophet he took his Knowladge from Nous and gave it to people.
Plotinus has very interesting ideas
Oh what a gift Emanation would give us,
To see ourselves, as Emanation sees us,
In this Metaphysical Mirror of Matter.
What's that Noise...?
The 'Fallen Soul' is not corrupted by its Form, and which form has the Design of its Form to create more Life, or 'garden' it, for more Souls, and just as the Form of Apple-tree recreates itself as Souls of its form to fill out base matter into the beauty of Form by Design of the Soul to procreate the Soul, ad infinitum...the Soul of the individual form is the Data Soul, which returns to the Design to be reborn into another soul to continue the process of Design, forever...
Selah :)
Hi Thomas, did you quote here? and if so... who?
This is great. Plotinus's views matches so much with 'Advaita'. Are these verses of Plotinus that are included in your video, taken from Enneads? If so, may i know whose translation of Enneads you've used in your video since I'm looking for an introduction to his life and philosophy in simple English. Thanks.
I second that. I am familiarized with Advaita and it has similarities.
Advaita Vedanta and Neo-Platonism share a lot of similarities, I am personally associated with both AV and Neo-Platonism.
Krishna is the One
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Well, no according to Platonism, the one is beyond thought. Krishna is just another deity of deities, if you looking into the chain of being and the emanations you would have known this.
Sweeeeeet
corruption of soul relating to itself sounds like ego or self concept, not the "body" per se.
Identification with the body is the definition of ego/self concept. At least in Hinduism
Yes. I'm glad someone said it. Mind and body are two sides of the same thing. They are impressions and expressions of reality that cannot be separated. To call matter false is absurd. It is our constructs of self and the world that are false. They are maps not the territory.
plotinus is so reach. both in philosophy and theology. am presently ready him in comparison with parmenides for degree program. i need more help on him please
good job its all fiction
I need to write an essay on Plotinus till tomorrow. Are you citing from Enneads?
I can't find the word "intruder" in the Enneads nowhere. What translation did you use?
6.4.14-15 MacKenna. Glad to be of help.
soul as the expression of the gene through consciousness?
seems like an exact kind of materlialism Plotinus is speaking out against
Cosmic DNA is the Logos. The blueprint of existence.
Then Soul may express these genes in a sense. All incarnation comes from an intent.
It would seem correct that Plotinus in keeping with Plato thought matter and the body were *less real* than the intelligible world, but I noticed in this commentary that you further referred to body as a "Disease" or "illness" of the soul. These adjectives seem a bit strong in my own understanding of Plato (and Plotinus). Does Plotinus really think of the body this way? This repugnant attitude toward the body sounds more Gnostic, actually. I know Plotinus says matter without form is evil because it is passive, inert, and therefore a privation of soul. But that's quite different than saying the body is evil, since physical bodies are composites of matter and form in Platonic Metaphysics. Is Greek hylomorphism just out of the question? Was Plotinus a Cartesian substance dualist or something? This doesn't sound right to me.
What's your take on this? Thanks.
He didn't like the physical world, but also believed that one should not complain about where Divine assigned him to be. He suffered his whole life. I love his works. I don't understand, though, how he could experience the enlightenment and still be in such a bad physical condition. Why didn't he acquire the wisdom to be healed?
If we believe Plotinus' student Porphyry, and I personally think we should, Plotinus in fact did loathe being embodied. (And in fact, in some sense we must take Porphyry's word for it because Porphyry edited the entire collection of notes by Plotinus into the Enneads as we know it.) Following Porphyry's description, Plotinus refused all treatment allowed his illness to worsen over time but was unworried.
The beginning of Porphyry's biography of Plotinus begins, "Plotinos the philosopher, who lived recently, seemed ashamed of having a body." The details of his health habits are abnormal--Plotinus refused to treat his digestive disease with any method, and never bathed but received a massage daily. When he was sufficiently ill, his masseuse contracted plague from him and died.
It's fairly certain that Plotinus viewed matter as an "evil" thing.
The Phaedo seems to find the body as evil, since its desires are for wealth, etc.
If you suffer from a debilitating chronic disease like I do, viewing the body as a "disease" or an "enemy" becomes very understandable. I've come to accept the fact that the human body decays very quickly as a result of entropy. There is certainly no point in becoming overly attached to one's body.
@@davidpiersol2375 There may be more than one possible interpretation of Porphyry's account. What you provided also isn't the only account Porphyry offered. He also depicts Plotinus behaving more moderately toward the body, rather than violently ascetic or resigned and careless. Consistent with what Plotinus actually says, his view seems to closer resemble the "middle way" of Buddhism rather than the way of the Jains (to give a sloppy comparison).
books.google.com/books?id=Nj0UAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA710&lpg=RA1-PA710&dq=plotinus+refused+treatment+porphyry&source=bl&ots=erJfgA2xnE&sig=ACfU3U12Dr8bOzBvQMWcd1j6rolvIAionA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTgoOb7q_qAhVRHs0KHXdjBjoQ6AEwCnoECA8QAQ#v=onepage&q=plotinus%20refused%20treatment%20porphyry&f=false
His Platonic Metaphysics: Matter is evil insofar as it lacks Form because it is passive, inert, and "dumb." But the physical cosmos is timelessly sustained by the One because it is part of it. Therefore, matter and form are constituents of the body. The Neoplatonists were monists, not substance dualists. So I don't see how Plotinus can malign the body as you say without being involved in a performative inconsistency.
Part of this sounds EXACTLY like the Hymn of the Pearl, the Gnostic Bible Story. Are you familiar with it?
Can i ask why you have combined Plotinus' work with Christian theory? Are they synonymous? in other words, did Plotinus combine the Christian aspect into his philosophy.
No, he did not. Plotinus spoke against the Gnostics, which is the form of Christianity around in his time. However, he did believe in divinity as such.
@@Sunne2day He spoke against the Gnostics because they were hijaking his philosophical concepts. There were other Christian groups around at the time.
But that certainly never stopped Christians and Mohamedans from adopting his teachings
Krishna is the One
Plotinus was a Vedantist/Hindu and didn't know it.
Plotinus is the most mystifying of all the Greeks. As I started learning about him through the Arabics, I mistook him for Plato. No wonder, since their names are one letterswap away from being the same.
Plotinus ki assignment mjy chiya kisi k ps hai Tu please mjy dy dein
Are you a Neo Platonist yourself? If so I’d love to talk with you one on one to deepen my understanding.
What is Eros to Plotinus? Is Eros the One?
+ellen cesca Eros is desire and moves us, makes us want to move, toward the Good, and therefore, to the One.
Chaos would be the analogue to the One, Eros would be the analogue to Nous, Uranus would be the analogue to the World Soul and Gaia would be the analogue to Sense World.
Very good!, but doesn't have methods of returning to the divine nature. Those were developed later by the Buddhists and Hindus. Meditation and the repetition of mantras are among the techniques, along with hatha yoga using breathing and mudras.
Kind of like you have forgotten you are consciousness rather than its contents in which the mind and the world appear. Half of our life is spent asleep (while awake) as in we aren't fully aware where our attention or consciousness is. We just tag along being dragged by the mind forgetting what we were doing or that we are even thinking. The soul thinking it is now material untill you’meditate and resolve duality and find no material soul or self. The soul being material is a wrong view or illusion Very buddhist
If flat Earth is real this 💯
The Ancient Greeks believed in a spherical earth
Excellent untill "..the body is a like a disease or illness..." which sounds completely wrong, this opinion or interpretation is not supported here by any quotes from Plotinus. Disappointing.
Sounds like Plotinus was wiser then this Jesus guy (who's real name is unknown to most of his followers, just like his date of birth...)
And considerably wiser than you !
i do not know the way he explain as if we are stupid or morons that he needs to emphasize words ... glad im the first dislike !