How CAN you improve a CPU BOTTLENECK?
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- Are you CPU limited - bottlenecked? Well, here's 5 things that you can try in order to get that little bit more performance out of your CPU! Case study involving a Pentium G4560 and a Radeon RX 570.
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Take out the GPU and use the integrated graphics, now there isn't a cpu bottleneck
Lul
bottlebrain gone
Technically it's still a GPU (graphics processing unit) bottleneck. A iGPU is still a gpu.
@@LocoMe4u he's talking about cpu bottleneck not gpu bottleneck....
@@LocoMe4u better have a gpu bottleneck than a cpu bottleneck... TRUST ME!
I don't really need this, but seeing how accurate, honest and good the tips are, and how you're properly checking for microstutters and 1% lows as the true experience killers (which a LOT of youtubers fail to do), this immediately gets a subscribe from me. Great video
The best video on CZcams so far, on explaining how pc performance bottleneck work, and even better, you even put simple overclock tutorial in it
Finally a youtuber who can help out those of us with a tiny budget. Great video!
I love the animation with the CPU and GPU and the explanation going along with it!!! There's some really high production quality in this vid!!
Also, liked and haven't even watched the whole video yet :D:D
keep it up!
+Matthew Sterman Cheers bud! I did spend A LOT of time on that animation.
MindBlank Tech I got i5 8400 and 1060 6gb will it bottleneck
mohit Shàrmà no that’s a pretty good combo
@@GodBlurry0 what about intel core i7 2640m, and gtx 960? Cpu is dual core and 3.5 ghz
Always crank gpu settings up to remove CPU bottleneck, use DSR VSR if needed. You will loose average fps, but gain overall smoothness by improving fps lows.
Ps. Great guide.
and how do you do that??
juan321654 go nvidia control panel and turn on dsr res it would be like this 2x 4x etc and you could play 1440p and 4 k supersampled game on 1080p monitor and also mimize cpu bottleneck
That’s what I do :) all worth it, you get more visual quality then just all low settings and a more stable frame rate
Thats not how it works. Yes you crank up the GPU heavy settings in the game and become GPU bound, but at that point your FPS will be very low. Just because you krank up the resolution or the visual quality, does NOT mean that your CPU has to work less. Yes you wont "feel" the fluctuations as much since when the FPS drops to the lowest point it will also start dropping from a lower point, but then you might just as well just set FPS-limit to 30fps or what ever is the lowest drops you get.
@@vanshaj8338 Or you can use msi AfterBurner
Thanks! Would love to see more about how to identify where in the system a bottleneck is. The forums are awash with the the question "why is my game playing slowly?". Wouldn't it be interesting if there were a diagnostics utility that you could run which would offer hints at where any performance bottlenecks are.
Woohoo, a sponsor! Nice man. Good work.
+Jackson Trigg Thanks mate! Hope it all works out for them too. :D
Great guide and info very well done. The bottleneck animation was fun! I also used to turn off or disable all background services that a regular gaming rig didn't need like scanning and print spooling for example would help reduce demand on the cpu. For the newer ryzen cpus running ram in dual channel mode will also increase your fps
Dude this is actually useful as hell. Thank you, love your videos :))
+HotGamingPotato Thanks and really glad to be of help!
one small way: buy a soundcard
a soundcard will take some load off from the cpu and should slightly increase performance overall,
you'll also have higher quality sound :)
yes, it should actually increase fps by a few frames....
taking a bit sound processing load away from the cpu that the cpu would be processing and having it be send to the soundcard will make performance better than if you didn't have a soundcard.
I believe you can also have sound handled through the GPU through monitor sound output
Nice dude. Sponsers and production. Keep it up, there was some great info in this video.
Probably the best CPU BOTTLENECK video out there ! Keep up the good work !
Wow nice, I can finally link a video when someone brings up this issue, thanks!
What a fantastic explanation. Real high quality stuff here too.
Very good explanation of the underlying principles. Thanks, subscribed.
Didn't think all those little changes would amount to such a bog increase overall! Nice Video, Also grats on the sponsor.
Would be interested to see if there are similarities between other games, I know some don't really respond to improved ram speed/timings like gta.
HuMaNiTaRiAn1 very few games don't utilize cpu resources at all (mainly league), so you will always see performance bumps
+HuMaNiTaRiAn1 Thanks mate! :D Well, I did try Witcher 3 offscreen and got around 7fps average more with the same changes. It's less that GTA, but W3 had some ugly dips when entering busy city areas, which were almost gone after these steps.
he only gets to the point @4:05
That is true but for someone who doesn’t know much like myself I now know what a bottleneck is
Thanks
Thanks
Great video. Keep it up.
Your explanation of this is extremely useful for people who are visual learners, thank you for explaining like this :D
Holy fuck there was so much info on how cpu bottlenecks work. Very good. No idea if it was true or valid but I appreciate the fact that you put so much info into the video instead of just telling people what to do.
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks for the video, a lot of help
really liked the draw call section for deeper knowlegde 🙂
Nice video, it also teaches you about how to buy a proper monitor for your target res and framerate. I remember a few weeks ago, a guy rejecting monitor offers from others users, because he said he wants a 1080p, 5ms monitor to play at 60fps... I told him that he needed a
Thanks for the video i was looking for something like that, seems like a have a cpu bottleneck by using i5 6600k and rtx 2060 in some newer games .
I'll give it a try.
Helped alot. Thanks.
Some times setting V-sync half refresh is the best way to go (e.g. run @30FPS) Or run the monitor @50, 40 or 30FPS if it supports it and then use adaptive vsync. Works well for casual gaming, and feels better than dropping between 60-40 over and over.
really good analysis.
Dude. Your editing is incredible! Please tell me what you use to edit and what you use to make your graphs.
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Awesome video. thanks.
This is a great video :)
That was actually a really huge improvement wow
very helpful
thank you
Also shadow quality helps for Cpu. Most games require a lot of Cpu to get to higher quality shadows. While some other games use more Cpu for lower quality and more gpu for higher quality.
Experimentation is needed but in gta lower shadow quality and sharp shadows should benefit you.
Awesome video
I’m on 860k, it is probably a little bit slow for today’s games, but upgrading it means a new motherboard and RAM along with a new CPU. So much money for not too much gain.
Ok, that animation is funny. Definitely got a sub from me.
"I keep mine clean...the system I mean"
that bios settings completely gone over my head
Great vid! New subscriber here
Thanks for uploading a premium content. Really good video editing also very informative on how cpu and gpu works during gaming. Though im on b250 pro-vd motherboard and i just managed to OC with memory try it! As for cpu i cant change it from auto. Any way to do it? Thanks again.
Can you explain more on how to BLCK overclock? I also have a G4560 but my mobo is not like yours it is an h110m-ds2.
I haven't tested this personally but turning all the window animations seems like it might gain you a few fps. WIndows key+R type: sysdm.cpl >Advanced tab>Performance>visual effects and turn off anything that says animation/animate, fade and turn of shadows under windows.
2 more things that might help is setting CPU affinity in task manager for the game to use all cores and setting priority to high might also help.
Press Alt+Ctrl+Del and select Task Manager or right click task bar bottom of windowsGo to Processes.Right click on a process whose priority is to be changed, and click Go To Details.Now right click on that .exe process and got to Set Priority and select adesired option.
in my worst game that actually causes the system to drop inputs because the game is so CPU heavy that there isn't enough left to process mouse movements. In fact the biggest tweak for that particular time is to take away CPU affinity from at least one core.
Great video MB guess I m starting to do some cleanup on my pc :-)
+daan boer I need to do some too on my workstation. Or just delete&restart from scratch. IDK, since I'm anyway going to change the workstation in a few weeks.
go for it, tbh I kinda have fun cleaning up my machine now and then )
Nothing didn't know before hand but nice video
I've a bad cpu bottleneck atm because I recently uograded to a high end card, in my experience turning the resolution up helps a lot to minimize the bottleneck
I have 90 fps at DOOM Ultra settings but looking at a certain direction drops the fps to 52 fps.
Its annoying as hell
Great video. :)
Are there some other settings that affect the CPU more so than the GPU ??
Now i learned a lessen to prevent stuttering and cranking up settings in gta. Throughout a year owning a pc launching gta i realized i maxed my game too much it pressures my i5 6500 cpu to 100 percent usage. I recommend everyone new to computers to learn from this if you have a similar problem.
Crazy how much you got out a locked system.
There's a setting you can change if you edit the configurations file manually to completely disable shadows. I were CPU bottlenecked on my last PC and I noticed a ~50% to ~100% increase in performance compared to all settings on their lowest just by disabling shadows completely. (AMD Phenom II X6 1100T)
One of the options that is often quiteCPU heavy. Good tip!
I’m having this problem pls reply
Where to disable it?
@@IiIiIiIOnTop depends on the game. Usually there should be a setting in the options menu, but if there isn't, you need to go through the config files.
Its called CacheBoost Professional by systweak, retest with it and be amazed.
Where can I get it from?
A good way to increase CPU performance on older Intel cpu's is to turn off the spectre and meltdown protection, it's pretty safe to do this since I've never heard of anyone outside of companies being effected
thanks, I got i5 2400 turn off spectre and meltdown protection and it feels like flying definitely improvement in performance
@@chocho6766 I'm glad I could help 😄
Are these settings in bios?
So true about the graphics, people tends to lower the settings in this case and you need to rise then, is a lot more playable a GPU bottleneck than a CPU bottleneck, you should rise your graphics settings to reach the point where the GPU is bottlenecking and you are going to have more stable fps without so much random stuttering. I do that in AC Odyssey with my i5 6600k and RX480, I can play almost in high/ultra at 50/70fps (60 avg pretty stable in each zone) this with freesync is pretty smooth, if I play it in medium or low is a stuttering fest.
by that idea 4K ultra at 25 fps is the optimum for me.
This is how you do it! I mean if you can you should try to push your system to the limit before you buy new hardware. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to buy and build a new mobo + cpu etc.
Mind blank? Kau merajuk merajuk lagi kuuuuu tidak sampai hati
I just OC my 3.4ghz 2500k to 4.6ghz to play BFV. The performance is amazing at 120fps and the chip doesn't even run hot! What a old but legendary chip!
How the fuck
I should’ve done my research. Recently I went to my local Canada computers in search for a cpu to pair with my 5600XT, The guy I spoke to recommended a ryzen 5 3400g. The worst decision I made was to trust him.
Thanks for the recommendations on what I can do!
Would've been a good pair if you only had an rx 5700
It really depends on the games you play For something like planetside 2 or KSP you would see better performance from a 10600K/1050 combo and in others a 10400F/3080 combo will do better.
This video really helps me nd tells me that im stuck and fucked up.
oooh now I know why my i5-34770 performed sh*t in GTA V... I had those CPU-destroyer settings on
You forgot one thing you can add 10 more FPS if you put directly all PHYSX calculations on the GPU from the CONTROL PANEL
oh shit. thanks!
Hi, my ram speed is 2400 mhz 11 13 13 32. I cant raise speed higher than 2400 couse ewerything higher wont boot.. my question is if i change tight timings but dont raise voltage can i harm my ram kits ?
Its called optimization. Figure out what specifically causes hitching and create custom settings or find the original v1.0 of the game and figure out if certain patches help and if some are less optimal than the previous ones.
Chennel look dammmmmm good. 😎
I have a pc with G4560,GTX 1050, 8gb ddr4 , for some reason while playing games(DotA/csgo) it hard crashes and have to force shutdown my system. please help me out
Nice.
@MindBlank Tech does the faster cpu work better woth slower gpu or is it oppisite
Also clean the dust under your cpu fan
If am on a desktop should I turn of high performance mode in power options
I know that a cpu bottleneck will cause fps loses but can it cause graphical texture problems for example graphics load too slowly and as a result they're all over the place
didnt mention all the windows settings that could help? my wifes 300$ hp laptop got like 30-40% faster just from windows settings changes, also improved thermals and battery life at the same time
CL is a popular timing, but on it's own, I haven't seen it do anything. Lowering the CL, TRDC, TRP, and most importantly, using that to lower TRAS, however, has shown linear performance improvement relative to the real-world latency change.
+alkafrazin Command rate as well, but not in all cases. Getting any timing lower will help out. Little bits ad up. :)
It really depends on the software. In Unreal Tournament 3, I found memory latency was all that mattered, which resulted in me using 1866mhz at slightly tighter timings than I could hold 2133mhz at. Some software, however, really appreciates the bandwidth.
I didn't do a video on it, but what I found with UT3, in CBP3 Salvation, looking from the top of the waterfall corner into the center of the map in the pre-map flyby was a linear performance increase.
1333mhz at 9-9-9-24 yielded under 70fps, but 1866 with the same timings yields close to 100fps, and 2133 at 10-10-10-27, while not completely stable, was very similar to 1866 with 9-9-9-24.
On the other hand, 1600mhz with 9-9-9-24 had trouble holding 80fps, but with 8-8-8-21, it was in the 90s and, again, very close to 100fps.
Also, stabilizing 2133 at 10-11-10-30 resulted in a nasty performance drop in line with the final TRAS timing's relative increase, which solidified that it wasn't CL that was the factor for memory latency, but instead, the total of CL, TRDC, TRP, and through them, TRAS, which is a total of of roughly TRDC*2+CL, or, more conveniently, since TRDC and TRP tend to be very close, you can simply add the first three timings to get a rough estimate of a stable TRAS.
In the case of DDR3, and presumably 4, I haven't bothered to check, TRAS tends to be a few cycles lower than it's calculated stable time, I would assume as a way to improve DDR3 performance over DDR2.
good video
+Strikye B Thanks mate!
I wish I never installed the asus bloadware. And I cannot for the life of me uninstall asus aura. So I've disabled it in the services and it has helped performance a lot.
Late to the party here but any measurable increase in performance, especially when under 100fps will make your game run smoother. Especially with .1% being in the 30s then getting as high as 44fps.. Youre going to feel that big time at lower framerates.
my ram speed is 3000 is that fast enough? i have 16gb with a ryzen 3 3200g. what graphics card can i get without bottle necking it. im new and just biult my first gaming pc. any help is appreciated
I have CPU bottleneck but how can i with no mony improve this
i couldnt remove my cpu cooler. it is stuck as screws cannot be removed because it holds too tight and the carvings are fucked up so I cannot use screwdriver. i dont know what to do , i dont have a drill
Go to computer Service.
Question i'm experiencing bottle neck in my pc if have R5 1600 cpu + RTX 3060 Ti and i have low tier MOBO MSI A320 Pro max Should i change to R9 or R7 first or should i change my MOBO? I'm little confuse.
Guys i need help, i have an I3 4330 3,5ghz with a Gtx 1060 6gb, and 8gb of RAM. On Titanfall 2 i was experiencing lag and freeze sometimes, and i started monitoring CPU GPU and RAM usage with MSI AFTERBURNER while i was playing, i had 99% of usage on my GPU and 30-50% on the CPU...is this even POSSIBLE!? My gtx 1060 should run titanfall 2 at ultra settings without problems...If MindBlank or some of you guys could please explain me what's going i'll be so,so happy..i've wrote this issue on many forums but i'm still getting ignored.....
I.. Don't think I recall what a cpu bottle neck is since I bought my first Ryzen chip.
My rig has i7 6800K @ 4.3Ghz, 4x4Gb @ 3200 ram and a GTX 980 TI @1450.
I am absolutely bottlenecked.
Hey I also have Asus mobo and my bios looks very similar but in the Ai Overclock tweaker i don't have manual mode?
I have that wallpaper !!! :D
im gonna get an rtx 2080 and a ryzen 7 1700 or the ryzen 5 2600 will either of these result in a cpu bottleneck and if one does and one doesn't can you tell me which one i can buy
Holy shit, RandomGamingHD has aged a little.
Before watching the video: Increase the graphics settings to reduce fps and cpu load.
@@biackshibe It will require less draw calls from the cpu because the gpu will be doing most of the job
But when I'm already as sub 40 fps with a CPU bottleneck there is no room left to enjoy a GPU bottleneck with less frames.
@@HappyBeezerStudios if you're getting such low framerates, maybe it's time to upgrade, though Ryzen 4000 and RDNA2 are coming this year.
@@HappyBeezerStudios what cpu you where running ?
@@FortunePT 3570k @ 4.5
planning on getting a 3700X or 5800X next year, depending how prices and availability are then.
That fate soundtrack
You can also get programs like Gaming Accelerator 2 on steam which can give up to 10% more performance on top of what you gained. Works better on some games and rigs than others, an occasionaly may make performance worst but for the sake of dropping a tenner worth a go. Worked on my laptop on some games.
i'm guessing by removing/disabling background processes and setting the game to high process priority? for that to do anything there needs to be stuff to be disabled in the first place. A good thing for a one click solution, but that that much id the system is already optimized.
can u plz tell me what should i do to increasing my performance for need for speed rivals
good vid
But what do you do with a CPU bottleneck on a 4+ core CPU that could handle multiple times as much work, but your game can't spread the load among all those cores? Fallout 4 or some MMO for example (haven't seen an MMO yet that can spread the load even enough among the available cores/threads). Like what do I do with an 8 core CPU in Tera?
Moan at the devs and don't buy more of their stuff until they fix it?
+EU Bike Dude
People have been moaning for years at them and nothing got fixed.
oberclock that shit.bamd if it isn't stable, try disabling cores and see if you can get it higher.
I know exactly the kind of games you mean.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Things have changed since I made that comment. Tera which I used as an example (and was really the worst offender I have ever known, even to this day) has gone offline. Fallout 4 is irrelevant at this point. Elder Scrolls Online (which I used to play a lot back then too) has gotten a massive engine overhaul with multi-core optimizations. My FPS has literally almost doubled, and now it's no longer the CPU that is the bottleneck. And new MMOs seem to be optimized well enough to not hold back multi-core CPUs by much (New World for example).
Among games that are still relevant, Guild Wars 2 seems to be tbe worst offender now. And it too got some smaller upgrades to its engine (switched from DX9 to DX11) which resulted in about a 20% improvement. But it's still hell during meta events with 50+ characters in the area.
And what you suggest with overclocking, I'm doing it, I've always done it, but it's a barely noticable improvement. I'm running my R7 1700 at 3.85GHz all cores for 5 years now. 3.9 is either no longer stable, or I have to increase voltage by so much that it overheats during stress tests with an NH-D15 cooler. I think I'll upgrade in a few months to a 5k series chip now that my first gen motherboard got a BIOS update to support those CPUs. I'm just waiting for the prices to get even lower with the 7k series coming soon. That should solve the problem with the ancient games like GW2. I hope.
can we limit fps using MSI After burner, for instance with bottleneck we are getting 70 fps with stuttering so cn we limit it to 50 FPS with MSI
So I have a i5 8400 paired with a 1060 6gb, but when it comes to AC Origins, I get some stutter, playing at 1080p and 60fps avg and everything high. The stutter only happens on AC Origins, is that bottleneck or the game is just poorly optimized?
The stutter might be reduced if you set an FPS limit in AMD/Nvidia control panel or RivaTuner, freeing up more CPU headroom for AI/physics intensive areas. If not, try looking here: steamcommunity.com/app/582160/discussions/0/1696040635911435289/
I have a rtx 3060 ti and a ryzen 5 3600 and the bottleneck is really killing me in a warzone and fortnite but not in cyberpunk or gta
Wouldn't (depending on your graphics card) increasing your resolution result in higher fps / less micro stutters?
Just as a last option for people with a nice graphics card but shitty CPU.
Unlikely to be a scenario but you know, some do that because they wanted to start low to have at least something in terms of CPU.
You wouldn't get higher fps from a higher resolution. It creates more GPU load (resolution scales basically GPU only), and by being GPU limited at a lower frame rate you take load off your CPU.
In a very simplified way you could say your CPU can do a certain fps/GHz in a specific game. You can't increase that ratio (without getting a different CPU), but you could either make your CPU do more GHz or cause your GPU to be the limit at lower fps than your CPU can do.
I was getting 170fps on high with my FX-6350 + RX 580 8GB in Siege, then I stopped playing for a week, updated a lot of stuff, and started playing again but 84fps on low AND ultra.
Asus motherboard
16GB 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM
SSD
crank up that ram. on my 3570K I was able to get my ddr3-1600 running at 2133, and it really helped in low fps, high CPU scenarios.
If you are reading this, my problem is that slower than usual/before
Yo, just wanted to say, you've made me completely understand why i am now getting cpu stutters on my 3080 ti when i wasn't on my 1080 ti. 8700k can't keep up that's why i get occasional stutters in frametime. Thanks! Also, i am playing on 1080p, would 1440p relieve this? I'm not sure weather to upgrade my processor or my monitor first....both will be similar price range. Need some advice.
Increasing GPU load would mean you should go into GPU limitation and get less fps, which in turn means less load for the CPU.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I think it was actually icue that was causing it but upgraded to 5950x and its perfect now. Zero stuttering, love it.
Thanks