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Arlo how did you post a comment 4 days before the video got posted? have you unlocked time travel?
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@@clairemcaneny7150 he is arlo, he knows all, sees all, and is all! (my theory is that he made this video and posted it privately and commented before it went public, so this video didn’t actually comment out an hour or so ago)
please arlo i am unable to function unless you post more of your glorious recommendations to your website, i feed off of knowledge to gain strength and need said strength to take over the world i mean what
I wish that Guardian figure was able to wiggle its arms and dance
this… This right here… shouldve been true
Like those dancing banks and stuff that were around when I was a kid.
Imagine if it came with a lazer pointer too
I think that is something that can be universally agreed on
or maybe he could be one of those inflatable dancing windsock guys…
Arlo apologizing to the (hopefully) inanimate Guardian is adorable
You heard that theme start playing
It was about to activate and eliminate him
I was looking away from my phone when I heard the tune play and reflexively looked back to see what happened. Gaurdians got me shook, as I am still playing BotW for the first time and haven't gotten far yet at all, let alone gained the ability/confidence to face off against a guardian.
The best part is he did it twice
@@leelewis445 Learn the timing for shooting their beam back and suddenly they’re free loot
They're both inanimate, so it makes sense he'd feel a kinship with it.
This may not be a hot take but it's mine. When I first found a bomb flower in tears of the Kingdom I genuinely smiled and had to take a moment because it brought back nearly thirty years of playing Zelda all at once
I genuinely forget Arlo is a puppet sometimes. This dude is beyond talented and his forearms are probably JACKED 💪🏽
Arlo is a muppet, an actual living creature, as far as I’m aware.
@@jackofn0trades29yeah, it’s hard to tell if his forearms are jacked or not bc they’re covered in fur
If you think about it it’s kinda creepy sometimes…
I never thought about it that deeply but yeah you are right he must have sick forearms for them not to get tired while making videos.
Lmao I’m loving how hard Arlo tries to be positive about every opinion in these
That what makes him so awesome. He’s very open minded. An insightful individual can see the value in opinions they may disagree with.
@@killjoytroy Eh, cept when it comes to criticism of the OOT baby. It's one thing just to go 'nu uh' like he does for a later opinion but I mean gushing to the point of calling it 'a masterpiece'? Nostalgia brain strikes again.
@@Swirlstar I just played it not too long ago. I think it’s a masterpiece as well. That’s not a hot take nor is it rose tinted glasses. It’s also consistently placed in like the top 3 greatest games of all time. So yeah idk what you’re on about
@@Swirlstar OOT is absolutely one of the most important games to ever be made and the fact that is still holds up is kinda crazy. It’s not perfect, never was, but no game ever is. If anything there seems to be a growing contingency that want to believe the game is overhyped and dismiss a lot of the great things about the game as “nostalgia blind”
It's almost like an inverse "Let's Argue." I like the somewhat more confrontational tone in that series, but I'm glad Arlo's version is different bc why would I want two things that are exactly alike?
The guardian music starting up every time you accidentally smack the amiibo had me dead 💀
I'm really glad to see someone in the comments acknowledging that lil extra bit of editing. Completely unnecessary, but very much amusing
Don't disturb the Guardian.
The way he "reads" the tablet and has it as a prop, he's taking it SO serious and I love it 😂
It's so natural I didn't even think about that xD
"yeah, he's just reading..?"
I didn’t ven realize he couldn’t read😭
Holy shit I literally keep forgetting he's a puppet somehow. Like I know he's a puppet but I'm not thinking about the implications because he moves so naturally all the time!
Omg I did not even clock this and I've watched every ep in this series 😂
Have you never seen a puppet before???
This is how a good puppeteer uses the puppet to bring it to life. 5-year-old kids understand this better than you seem to.
Link's gnome cap from Twilight Princess is still my favorite.
In general I love how Link looks in Twilight Princess, the darker green of his outfit just looks better on him.
I also like the darker tone of it really brings out the best in Zelda highly underrated imo
The cap is supposed to be old timey. The original games were based in a pre modern time and that's what is appealing about them. I loved the cap but modern games are all about customization so it makes sense the direction in which they moved. The cap is classic tho
Agreed. Twilight Princess is one of my favs, and the darker aesthetic is a big part of that.
Still the coolest Link imo lol
@@xojayydee "highly underrated". Whenever a Zelda topic comes on, Twilight Princess is everyone favourite non-botw game haha
Mine too btw
love the cap, i’d love to see it in a more modern rendition, i’d hate to see it just disappear from a main-game look like BOTW and TOTK, but i love how they kept the green motif for Link in TOTK
I’m ready to see how arlo somehow doesn’t get upset during a spicy take salad of Pikmin
I’m testing you arlo
is it you skitz
YES, please do a Pikmin themed salad Arlo!!
A link between worlds is the most underrated zelda game. It was the first in the series to be truly non-linear and the painting mechanic turned the entire game into one big puzzle.
Imo one of my favorites
I love that game so much. It was the first Zelda game I completed and got me hooked on the series
First non-linear? What about Zelda 1?
@@JoseHernandez-bq3ig was gonna say lol
@@JoseHernandez-bq3ig okay, first with actually progressing plot beyond just an ending, but go off.
OOT and MM being buggy is probably the most clearly illogical one. Like I’ve never encountered a bug that wasn’t someone forcing something for a speed run 😂
That was a perfect example of someone doing what a lot of people do on the internet which is:
They know they have a controversial opinion, so when they say it they just swing super far into extremity with the way they voice it.
I personally, am rather meh toward OoT and MM. I prefer the other 3D games and I think the love that OoT gets is overblown at times, but I would never be bold enough to claim that they're buggy. They're a bit stiff and clunky sure, but they're also like 25 years old on the first 3D console; of course they're going to feel clunky, especially if you didn't grow up getting used to them. However, that is absolutely _not_ the same thing as being buggy, and I have a feeling that person was conflating the two.
You're completely right. Not long ago I was watching a video of a OOT speed run that involved glitches and all the comments were clearly children who never actually played it essentially going "lol this game is so buggy"
@@randomnpc445 about the controversial opinion thing, you're totally right.
Also I just finished Oot for the first time, and it's good, but not the best for me. I grew up with TP, so that'll forever be my favorite. Ocarina of time was still a lot of fun, so I understand that so many people absolutely love it
And those speedrun bugs are so convoluted and complicated that you’ll most likely never encounter them unless you actively know about them.
Its also so wrong since that games engine is rock solid, so much so that despite forcing all sorts of crazy glitches it doesnt crash.
The glitches took decades to find, they arent things casual players will find.
Thats a sign of a game that is not buggy.
Buggy games have casual players stumble over the bugs.
Link's cap and green attire was inspired by Peter Pan. I think it really suits Zelda's whimsical tone and Tolkien-esk fantasy setting. Plus, that green hat is instantly recognizable like the Micky D's golden arches.
This take salad was so spicy, it gave me 23 minutes of cold resistance!
Level 3 I presume, lol.
That was clever
The green cap is *iconic* and whoever wants away with it is CAPPING
Hah
I like the green cap, but I won't lie, I was REALLY disappointed when I got TWO variants of the green cap from those stupid Depths old map loot. Actually useless garbage.
@@iminumst7827 spoilers
Ikr. The green cap is awesome, HOWEVER! My controversial take is that the set of the wild is awful. It looks so stupid on BotW Link. I like the hat though which is why I have that, a green hylian tunic and hylian trousers.
@@wet0wl I agree, the wild set is so ugly, if you were forced to wear it I would gouge my eyes out.
I miss the green cap and tunic. It helped give the older Zelda games a magical, medieval fairy tale feel, sort of like Peter Pan.
it's in the game. Several different times, in fact
Peter Pan was the inspiration for Link’s design lol
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 I know
It's clear they've moved from Medieval/Western Fantasy to Japanese/Eastern Fantasy. I don't like the change, but the incredible sales mean it'll be a long while before we see it change back. If ever.
@@TheSunsetHero256it still keeps its western roots at least with most weapon designs. But I can definitely see the focus shifting a bit
I really like Spirit Tracks, im glad that there's more people out there talking about it. If it was remastered with new controls and adjusted elements, it could be something really special.
I still have this game, I've wanted to play it after TOTK.
It was my first Zelda. Ever. My introduction to the series. I love it
I agree, I love spirit tracks!
I loved everything but the awful flute sections. Damn mics never worked responsively and it locked me out of the whole game.
I would buy it.
I like how he doesn't outright disagree with any of them right after reading them, he has his opinion but he actually considers the argument and agrees with part of it, he's so neutral and non controversial lol
Cough cough sonic 2 movie cough cough
@@Raddish-IS-Radd He was right about the sonic movie. Sometimes the art is lacking. Sometimes, the art consumer is lacking.
YES HE DOES.
I found it incredibly annoying ngl
It's almost like how you have a nice and civil conversation/debate...
"Different people are different"
-Arlo, 2023
Nicer way of saying stupid people are stupid.
Honestly understated
It's funny that people are saying dungeons are playthrough ending, because dungeons always were the most engaging parts of Zelda games for me even as a kid. I'd breeze through them because I wanted to know what would come next, what new item or mechanic it would unlock, what boss would await me at the end of it, etc. Meanwhile what actually ends my playthroughs is long stretches of travelling around trying to find the next thing. I took a super long break from Wind Waker because of the triforce charts and all that back in the day because a new exciting thing didn't happen every time I booted up the game. And I still haven't finished BotW to this day because after finishing all the Divine Beasts, getting the Master Sword, etc. I felt that I wasn't ready to go to Hyrule Castle and fight Ganon yet due to there still being memories and shrines left to find, but walking around looking for them wasn't engaging enough to keep me playing.
It's a weird take to me, I beat OoT and MM before I was a teenager...I hate how now developers just assume everyone can't figure things out or that their game needs to be beatable without doing half of it regardless of the game. Like this was never an issue I heard anyone bring up about the old pokemon games, the old zelda games (other than the NES ones that did actually kinda lean into making kids call the nintendo hotline), etc. I really don't think it's a problem at all, the dungeons were the main appeal of the games, and getting stuck in one was just part of the game. Plus now that the internet exists and anyone can look up things they get stuck on if they really want to I think it's less relevant than ever. Honestly TotK itself feels designed with this in mind. I went into it 100% blind for the first several days, and I nearly missed the glider, only to later find out many other people did the same. And there are a good few things that if you don't stumble onto them you could spend the entire game without important QoL. Without being too spoilery Hateno Village is a great example of this if you ever cook anything in the game.
But yeah I dunno, tl;dr I think gamers are smarter than modern developers give them credit for.
They're soft. It's embarrassing
lol this is the exact same zelda experience as mine
Right? What’s so hard about:
1) enter dungeon
2) do a bunch of crap until you find map
3) use map to go to unexplored areas until you find compass
4) follow compass until you find boss gate and boss key
@@DubsBrown Must be the same people who dislike metroidvania because "backtracking"
Me and my wife love to watch these together. We sit and discuss our own opinions on the ideas presented and we end up turning a 20 min video in to a 1 hour video.
That’s really cute actually
So cute! I do this with my boyfriend 🥹 I just love talking about stuff with him
If the divine beasts were supplementing normal dungeons instead of replacing them, they would be nearly universally loved and lauded as a fan favorite and brilliant addition.
Agreed, as mini dungeons they're perfectly sized.
I think they're fine but it is absolutely true that they are nowhere near a replacement for dungeons. Same with Tears temples. Finding 5 buttons is just not fun or engaging enough to replace a series of puzzles which build on each other, introducing a new item that unlocks so much to do in other parts of the world, then test you on the use of that item and the mechanics. They're also far too short and easy. They would be fine if they were minor bonus content but they're miles behind actual dungeons.
I can agree.
@@kylehart8829 idk why Nintendo thinks having a proper dungeon will break their open air formula. They could still be optional and you could still teleport out at any time. It’s a bummer. I wouldn’t even say I’m disappointed with the temples, the game is beyond substantial enough without dungeons, but the thought that we will never get them again is just a bummer.
Every time Arlo accidentally prods his Guardian Amiibo and the Guardian Battle piano music starts, my heart jumps up into my throat. Anxiety reflex.
I'm just going to put my hot take here.
In BotW and TotK, When a weapon breaks Link should automatically pick up the next weapon from his inventory. The content menuing in the middle of combat caused by weapon breaking often breaks the flow and momentum the fights otherwise has.
NO words can describe my love for the Spicy Take Salad series
Bro why Arlo apologizing to a mini guardian figurine so wholesome
You heard the music that thing was ready to blast lol
and the angry guardian sound... beautiful
@@benjaminpinkston8624 always scares the crap out of me
Spicy take salad is so great. Arlo can't even read negative comments without being super wholesome, it's wonderful.
The one about Link's hat could not be more diametrically opposed to my opinion lmao! I literally did ALL the shrines in BoTW before ANY main quest BECAUSE I wanted to look like friggin' LINK whilst saving the world haha
To be fair, OoT and MM have a ton of glitches, and I mean a TON, but and this is a very big BUT, these glitches are mostly not experienced during normal gameplay and they even improve the experience once you learn them and master them, one of the reasons these games are so fun to speedrun is because of these glitches, and it turns games as linear as OoT into a full of freedom adventure, where you can even do every dungeon in reverse order!
Honestly forget sometimes how much of an absolute masterful puppeteer Arlo is it’s insane
I’ve had this theory off and on where all the speech is pre-recorded and the puppetry is miming to it, like lip-syncing in a way. But seeing him accidentally bump the guardian twice and break off mid-sentence to apologize to it has pretty much killed that theory and it genuinely doesn’t seem pre-recorded at all. It’s genuinely amazing how good he is at this lol
I dont see him holding a puppet though... all I see is a little blue man. that is what he is
@@Tiny_24 I'm blue da ba dee da ba dei...
@@Road_to_Dawn lip syncing with pre-recorded audio sounds like it'd be 10x harder than just working a puppet with your speech normally.
@@andrewsimpson4134 Yeah, when doing it in real time you know what you’re about to say, instead of slightly lagging behind when moving to a pre-recorded audio
I want a wide variety of different kinds of dungeons. Your map altering puzzle boxes, your traditional romps, your Hyrule Castle-esque treasure hunting spots, etc.
me too… the Divine Beasts were decent puzzle boxes, but they were all rather small and simple, hardly had any enemies, and all had the same drab aesthetic. the variety of experiences is what makes _Zelda_ dungeons so great.
The best outcome for everyone might be to make dungeons optional challenges to obtain special super items or to get the true ending or something to that effect. They're effectively super shrines at this point.
@@lugbzurg8987 I think that was the labyrinths in totk for me. If only there were more armor sets hidden within the labyrinth, rather than just the one armor set you get from all three.
I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for thinking this way, but I personally would like it if there were no dungeons at all. No puzzles, no riddles, no mazes. I've never, ever been a fan of those things. I've especially never been a fan of those things in video games. Not everyone's mind works the same. Not everyone can solve puzzles or figure out riddles or find their way through mazes. Things that may be incredibly simple for one person could be virtually impossible for another. Having things like that blocking progression, especially, is something I absolutely hate. I mean, I truly, genuinely dislike the entire concept of it. In my mind, it's just plain wrong to expect every person who plays a game to be able to overcome those trials.
Because not everyone's mind works the same, there are going to be plenty of people who can't get past certain puzzles or riddles or mazes. And if they can't get past them, they can't advance in the game. If they can't advance in the game, they can't, in effect, PLAY the game anymore. Which ultimately means they threw away their precious money on something they can't even use. Puzzles, riddles, mazes, none of it is even remotely fun. I've always been of the mind that games would be far better without them. There are plenty of other gameplay aspects they could use that would make a game enjoyable without relying on things like that.
@@korysoftout219 Then... don't play a Zelda game.
Seasons and ages were my favorite just because of how they interacted together, it was so cool how the adventure changed based on what game you started with
I love tears of the kingdom, but after playing it for over 20 hours, it makes me enjoy the older titles even more because I really like the more “linear” structure. I’m playing ocarina of time, Majora’s Mask, Links Awakening and skyward sword again now in addition to. Zelda is definitely iconic. Really would love to see a Zelda Maker game come out at some point.
What I truly admire and appreciate about you is that you are absolutely positive and optimistic about online discourse, rather than just blatantly cynical and jaded like most of the internet. Obviously you get passionate and negative but you do it in a way that doesn’t exude any egotism or arrogance, you keep it civil and positive. Please never change because there aren’t people like you anymore, your one of the good ones my friend!
Link's floppy hat is more iconic than the hood or hair we got now. It's distinct. It stands out. I want it to return.
You can find bits of armour with that cap and the traditional outfits if you find old maps they will guide you
@@Murkrok67 it should of still been the default look. Then have the players choose not to wear it. To have to hunt for it seems sacrilegious
Yeah, Aonuma, on his crusade to "fix" zelda, has stripped the soul from it.
Realize, there's an entire generation that associates Link with blue.
@@TheDapperDragon yuck
@@TheDapperDragon saying BOTW and TOTK have no soul is ridiculous😂 let’s not act like anything new is bad and anything of us good especially when TOTK gives you like 6 different traditional tunics you can wear. If anything, having the armor of the wild be the final reward you get for bearing every shrine shows how much reverence they have for that look.
17:15 I think it’s safe to say with 10000% certainty that whoever said Ocarina wasn’t even good for its time, wasn’t born at that time! That’s a fact!! 😂😂
I do love BoTW Link's loose hair and half ponytail, but I do love the cute wood elf hat. Thanks to OoT, it kinda just makes me reminisce of how it highlights Link in the context of Hyrule as a child of the Deku Tree.
I honestly hope that when Aonuma said they are keeping the formula for tears of the kingdom in future Zelda games that he really meant they are going to keep a lot of the games open ended in terms of the overworld. It is okay to have your games story be linear and to have certain areas blocked off until you are ready to go there. I am sure there are ways to make it feel like there is a lot of freedom to roam wherever you want and still keep stuff like dungeons locked behind progression in a main story.
Linear progression is not a bad thing.
Linear progression is not something we can go back to. The experience of unbridled freedom and exploration means more than boring cutscenes and linear set piece dungeons.
Forward, not back. Because linear progression isn't bad in general. It's just bad for Zelda.
@Big Roy I honestly feel like we have lost something from the last two games because of it losing its linear focus on story telling. It is much harder to tell a good story without a linear progression. Effectively what these new games are are sandbox games where everything else is put on the back burner for freedom off exploration. This is not necessarily a better system. Just different. What I will say is that having these games stay that way will feel samey eventually, probably sooner than later. Say what you want about older zelda games but Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time all feel different because the tones in those games are different, the dungeons look unique, and their stories were more compelling and clear.
I like the BOTW and the TotK games but I am also wishing we go back to games with an actual story to follow. I loved seeing cutscenes and the twists and turns. I loved getting new items and using them to my advantage to better traverse the environment. And I thoroughly believe there is a place for that even in this new style.
I really disagree that open world works better for zelda. In my opinion a more linear zelda is better.
you're actually unlocking items all throughout the game, which slowly opens up the overworld. Now you get all the core abilities that you'll use at the start, and the stuff you get for dungeons are just small extra's that dont really get used in future puzzles or open up new places in the overworld.
Also linear zeldas can make everything feel more special and meaningfull. Botw and totk have a ton of items to get, but getting them feels a lot less meaningfull than getting stuff in the more linear zeldas.
@@BigRoyBad It is not bad for Zelda. It worked for 30 years and "no player" said they do not want that again.
"It is okay to have your games story be linear and to have certain areas blocked off until you are ready to go there." Ruh roh, the Americans aren't going to like that!
Because that's what it's really about. American games have always been less story-driven than Japanese, Canadian (RIP Bioware), and European games. Most Americans see story as an unnecessary add-on in a game. If you want to maximize your rate of return in this market, which is the second-largest media market on the planet, then you need to copy Bethesda and make your story as optional as possible.
Would be amazing to see an animated movie of Zelda made by Studio Ghibli. Amazing.
Shut up and take my money 💰
Yes. 😊
Why aren’t you givin all the money to make it yet
Kubo and the Two Strings is the closest thing we got to a Zelda movie so far. Check it out.
@@Hooplh Indeed a great movie!
When the Guardian music started playing I nearly died. Nothing will replace the first time I encountered a moving Guardian in the marsh area between Lanayru and Hyrule Castle when I went the wrong way by accident and I was just a little babbie Link with 5 hearts and Sheika stealth armor. The terror and adrenaline of running for my life from a creature that could one shot me from long distance and run like a horse is an experience I’ll remember forever. Thanks for reminding me 😅
I was dying because it feels like the Guardian amibo is alive and was about to commit first degree murder just because he got accidentally tapped.
The "tears of the kingdom looks boring" take is even funnier now that the games out. I'm impressed Nintendo managed to keep exactly how massive this game is a secret for so long lol
I was one of the people who was not too interested in tears of the kingdom, but after the final trailer and reviews, I bought the game and it might be the greatest game I’ve ever played
I mean tbf, I kinda am bored of it too sometimes. I did enjoy the main story but I dunno. Smth about this game just feels so dull and bland to me personally. That being said, I'd prolly give it an 8/10
@@ultimatedumbass4640Personally, I'm having the WILD issue of having a lot of fun with the game, but feeling disappointed that we didn't get it in Breath of the Wild??? I don't know how to describe it.
It’s the fatigue, I played so much botw and even tho I hadn’t played in a good few years felt the burnout not long after leaving the prologue sky island. Despite some qol improvements here and there it just has this overall feel that’s really samey
and now that it's been six months. where's the lore/love? nowhere to be found in totk. just dlc
Here’s mine:
I actually prefer the more linear Zelda games over the large open world ones such as BOTW and TOTK. I definitely see their appeal and they are very fun, but they’re a bit too open ended for my taste, which also effects the storytelling. Getting the memories is essential for understanding the full story, but not only is it optional, getting them out of order is just weird. Still doesn’t change the fact that they’re amazing games and definitely deserve all the praise they get. I personally just hope that some future games are much more similar to the ones before BOTW’s release.
I’ve been trying to get the memories in order, based on what other people suggested. Is it chronological if you go by the temple wall markings from left to right?
@@Anna-dd4rh Yes they are! And I highly recommend you do them in order as you are, because the last few pick up in pace very quickly
@@carsonh7222 thanks! Good to know I’m on the right track 😊 very excited to discover all the new lore
Yeah I really like that in TotK they give you the order right at the start so you can get them in order the first playthrough. They kind of do in BotW, but I think it is most natural to get them out of order your first time when you come across the landscape. Crossed with trying to find the exact spot, Geoglyphs are a lot easier to navigate.
Interesting, I've just been looking at this from a design perspective. I wonder if having too many options in such an open world can be a bad thing.
8:04 Haha loved the music and his reaction. Felt like he made a terrible error by touching the guardian and he was like "sorry dude".
The guardian would've blasted him if he hadn't apologized
That dungeon take is the real “skill issue.”
Honestly, I have to agree with the anti dungeons argument. The old system made the games incredibly linear and took out a lot of the creativity and individual experiences that the new games thrive. The biggest distinction between the 2 is if you didn't like a shrine or a divine beast, you just skipped it, lol. If just 1 temple sucked then too bad sad dad you're just gonna have to tough it out and chug through it anyway just to complete the game. And god for bit you have to replay the same dungeons in the same order dreading the one that you know wasn't fun is coming next.
Most fans would disagree with you. Believe it or not people like the linear fashion. Not everything needs to be non-linear.
@@DrBlakenstein Finding 5 terminals just isn't nearly as fun or engaging as solving an extremely cool puzzle box. Divine Beasts and TotK temples are all worse than almost every 3d Zelda dungeon ever and people are right to be disappointed by the dungeons and shrines in both games.
Eh but i kinda get it though, they're long and confusing and definitely undeniably intimidating. The "play through ender" is a valid argument and a true one.
@@DrBlakenstein I think this hits on a huge part of the issue - the new design philosophy is so obsessed with "player creativity" and "individual experience" that it sets aside some aspects of the old design philosophy that made it so great in the first place and that so many players miss. Kyle Hart's comment here touches on this. If there was a way we could have both styles of Zelda in one future game somehow, then THAT would be something truly special I think. Though I am not sure if that is possible - they are fundamentally at odds with each other. One style asks players to figure out how to progress however they want; the other says there is a correct solution and you need to use your noggin and sense of exploration to figure it out. Doesn't necessarily make it more "linear" (I think that term is overused to describe the old-style dungeons), just different in design approach.
The perception that oot and mm are buggy comes from the speedrunning scene. There ARE a ton of bugs, but they took work and experimentation over decades to find them all, you're very unlikely to encounter them in a casual playthrough
Imagine saying "I don't like Link's cap, so I hope nobody gets to have it in the next game".
Arlo apologizing to the guardian was the cutest thing 😂 are you sure you're not Canadian?
Acquiring heart containers through completing dungeons and finding heart pieces in the open world is WAY more satisfying then shrines. The former feels like growth the latter feels like a check list
Big fan of any time he just goes "C'mooooooonnnnnn" but then also goes back and addresses the review too. These are so great.
When Arlo knocked the Guardian amiibo and the music played, my heart rate literally shot through the roof for a second!
I enjoy Spirit Tracks, including the controls. In fact, I enjoy non-traditional controls as a whole. I also enjoyed Phantom Hourglass. I liked learning to optimize my route through the Temple of the Ocean King and unlocking shortcuts.
We're some of the few. I love the games but it seems that while many Zelda games get a bit of a reappraisal years later, the fan base still broadly considers the DS games among their least favorites. 😔
I could deal with this, but I'm afraid they'll remake them and without touch controls, totally ruining their uniqueness.
@@WasatchWind I don’t think at all that the touch screen is what makes the game unique. I think it’s the unique story, characters and music. Honestly I couldn’t get into spirit tracks until I played a patch that made it playable on the dpad, and now it’s one of my favourite games!
I mean I’m even working on reimagining Spirit tracks for n64 on my channel. (Also yes ST is so underrated)
@@shuggythebuggy7595 I'm sorry friend, but can't really cheer for that. I got into Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks after years of shovelware games, stuff like pixel perfect platformers - and the stylus controls just felt amazing to me.
And yes, I do feel like they do a lot to differentiate themselves from the rest of the series. Stuff like being able to draw on the map, or draw a path with the boomerang - or even just that the DS games are the only Zelda game where I ever use the spin attack.
When I've played the other top down Zelda games, they just feel super rigid to me, and the combat especially isn't nearly as fun.
So yeah, I am not really excited for the idea of Nintendo ever remaking them without the original control scheme. I'll at least give you that you pass the lowest bar of not saying that the game is stupid because it has trains, and the idea of Link being an engineer is just somehow incredibly ridiculous - which has for some dumb reason been a big reason why no one has played the game.
@@WasatchWind I can’t agree with this, the touch controls is what originally pushed me away from Spirit tracks and turned me off because I just couldn’t get used to the controls for moving or sword combat, while I think they have good ideas and the touch screen works the best for the train, it just doesn’t feel good to move around with the stylus at all.
They could of easily of made it a dpad and stylus combo, moving with the dpad and using items like the boomerang, whirlwind or bow with the stylus on the screen, it’s just gimmick for the sake of gimmick. What really makes Spirit Tracks shine is its world, characters and stories, I would gladly appreciate if Nintendo would fix the controls in a remake, but I doubt this game would ever be remade unless a long long time in the future.
I would say except for the bosses the combat isn’t that good except the train fights, almost every interaction in normal enemy combat is way to easy and dumbed down.
@@shuggythebuggy7595 Congratulations, you are part of the majority. I still really enjoy the non-traditional controls.
I don’t think people give enough credit to the sequences where you enter the divine beasts. Dude riding on Sidon with his theme playing is one of if not my favourite experiences in a video game. TOTK’s opening cutscene is up there too tho.
I love you, Arlo. You have this format of controversial opinions but it's still so open, upbeat, and positive. You always make me happy. Thank you so much for all your hard work on this channel.
Arlo apologizing to his Guardian figurine is the most Arlo thing of all time
I am also a fan of the durability system - the reason being why is because it forces me to juggle my options whenever I explore. Its interesting, getting something really powerful, and treasuring that for a lynel, and it also makes me play hot-potato with my gear dropping things down when something better, in bulk, comes around. Link is a one man army, his tools rotating constantly rotating reflect that
Yeah I like it too because I enjoy all the different play styles of each weapon and also the game is very good about constantly giving back. As long as your always collecting as well as having go to places to grab more weapons it’s not an issue. Also having part of your weapon be items you carry now is awesome. I especially love that you can fuse stuff to the master sword! Is So Cool!
I don’t hate it either, I’d just like some little tweaks like a weapon “health” metric, maybe slightly increased durability overall, and definitely a weapon crafting/repair system.
I’d much prefer something like that to the Fuse system, where you can glue mushrooms to your sword 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 At least in TOTK you can detach your fuse item in Terry town before the sword breaks and use it again on another weapon.
@@DaGhostToastRoast - I haven’t done that yet… does that reset the base weapon’s durability?
Personlly I think durability in anything outside of a survival sim is an inherently bad and outdated system. Punishing the player for using their items just doesn't feel good. There's a reason that series like Fallout and Elder Scrolls have gotten rid of the system (and even when they _did_ have it, they gave you a way to repair your items, and most of the time they wouldn't break permanently). The fusion system _some what_ alleviates the issue, but it still just doesn't feel good because you end up using half a dozen useful materials just to get one or two ever so slightly rarer materials. I can't describe how much I am dreading working on gathering resources to upgrade outfits thanks to this system...
"Old dungeons are way too complicated and new ones are better, more broad"
Translation: I suck at Zelda, so easy is better for me.
Imagine someone told Arlo the same thing about Souls games. He would NOT like that.
and…?
Elden Ring did exactly that and people loved it. Also Arlo loved it. It was much easier than other Souls Games, because like the small dungeons in BOTW and TOTK, you can make your own path and skip hard enemies. I think it's for most of the people better to be more flexible in games and for this reason it sells better. I like both. The hard long dungeons and the shrines. So for me is both fine.
Yep, this is the real "skill issue".
I've been able to beat these complicated dungeons since l was 7 years old. They are kids games after all
@@Lucrei. i still don’t see the problem with liking an easier experience
@@m4rcyonstation93 there's no problem with it, but claiming it's inherently better because it's easier is stupid
Arlo I love your puppet so much, honestly such a creative idea for a CZcams avatar character thing. So satisfying
For the weapon breaking one: totk I have been making an active effort in using my strong weapons even though I know they will break. Now that I’m older, better at video games, and addicted to difficult games like the souls series, Zelda is a ton easier. It’s a lot better that I’m now able to use whatever weapons I want on the bosses and enemies. It’s a whole lot more fun and relaxing. Moral of the story, use your weapons the fear of needing to use it later is BS
Yep the fear of breaking weapons and letting go of it definitely kinda solves the durability problem. Just use whatever feels best for the situation, you'll always find another good weapon.
A better option: use what you want but don't break it, save it for the ocktorocks. Honestly the only way I get myself to use the good stuff.
Fair, I just think harder enemies are a tad too tanky. If you're not actively looking to make the best possible weapons to get to like 200 attack, it just feels so bad to use one of your best materials, put it on something like a royal broad sword, and it can kill two silver boboklins before breaking.
The problem is that they're used as "rewards". You can't reward people for doing something with the resource that they just used up. It makes me avoid the majority of the open world because it's just a pointless treadmill.
I don't want relaxing, the only interesting parts of either of these games are the plateau and Eventide where they actually take advantage of the mechanics they've come up with.
@Tim Schommer Personally that would be a worse mentality as it would further solidify the fear of losing weapons, so now you're hanging onto an almost busted weapon, and can't even use it taking up inventory slots again. The point of breakable weapons is to make you use a variety of tools and pick up more along your journey.
I absolutely adored the controls in Phantom Hourglass (I never played Spirit Tracks). The usage of the touch screen and the dual screens was masterful.
About the point with the shrines and divine beasts i think now totk has struck at least for me the perfect middle point, the doungens are open air like the divine beasts, but they all look unique and have unique bosses, also that edit with the guardian xD
Your spicy take salad series is a lot of fun. I appreciate that you try to take a balanced approach and see these debates from multiple sides. People on the Internet spend way too much time bashing each other over opinions on topics that are supposed to be fun and not stressful. So I find this refreshing.
My ideal Zelda movie would be similar to Howl’s Moving Castle. Many scenes just have Sophie (main character) moving through her environment with a lot of wide shots, and have her physically interact with things to understand them (the door inside the moving castle for example). Those scenes often have characters verbally react to Sophie rather than have her speak up first, which would fit Link. That style could allow for a protagonist who is silent or almost silent and that is how Link should be.
I was actually thinking I’d want one similar to Princess Mononoke, with the reverence for nature and such. But Howl’s Moving Castle is a good shout too.
I think that would be awesome! Howl's manages to balance the whimsical aspects, humor aspects, and serious aspects pretty well. I'd like the story to be a little tighter than Howl's though. The other thing I was thinking was a Wind Waker movie. I think that game's story wouldn't be too difficult to adapt, and the art style is pretty timeless.
Zelda was inspired by Lord of the Rings, so a live action can work too.
I can agree that Oot and MM have a lot of bugs, but they’re not intrusive at all. You have to go out of your way to get most of those crazy glitches you see in videos and speedruns
Love this new series. It’s great that you’re trying to understand the hot takes instead of just bashing them. Really breeds conversation
12:52 Looking at the BotW dungeons now, I realise it's much better to examine something as "one of the Zelda iterations" rather than "the newest Zelda iteration". When it's the newest thing, a lot of tension can build up because there's fear of some details carrying on and becoming the new standard. But looking back, we can appreciate better what was unique, even if not executed perfectly or allign with what makes Zelda "Zelda".
A lot of the dungeons in tears sadly just feel like a divine beast 2.0. But I agree that it's nice to try something different even if I don't find them nearly as fun or rewarding as a true dungeon
These last two games just suffer from being called Zelda. Story wise especially.
Actually, there are a lot of Faeire creatures in folklore that wear pointy, long, sometimes droopy hats, like Christmas elves and Redcaps and Kikimoras. Even wizards and witches really, so Link's hat is actually pretty on-par with many fantasy humanoids all things considered.
I genuinely loved this video. I want to hear more people's hot takes, I find them so interesting to learn about. Hearing things that I never thought about personally.
Remember the Zelda community on Miiverse? That was so cool because I finally had people to talk about Zelda with and there were some epic drawings on there too!
Love that at 8:04 the guardian theme lightly plays in the background when Arlo pokes the guardian. Great touch.
11:45 I honestly had no issue with the BOTW blights. Especially since the first time I encountered them was in Hyrule castle (being that I went straight to Hyrule castle on my first run). I figured that they were basically small parts of a bigger boss which would combine all 4. I am honestly sick of the gimmick of hitting weak spot and swinging sword. Specially on Ganon fights.. playing tennis with and Energy ball is the stupidest.
I didn't, however, like the divine beasts. They had so much promise...
Can't get over Arlo apologizing to his Guardian amiibo, his reaction is so hilariously earnest
A Zelda movie would be AMAZING, but, I think a tv show would be better. Because zelda has so much to work with and has so many concepts, trying to cram that into one movie would be too much and I’m afraid if it would be good or not. Although, with a tv series you can fit so much more content into it that can make things more intense and interesting.
Tv show would be fun but I think a movie that just takes some of the most iconic elements and turns it into a 2 hour fan service festival would be glorious! The Mario movie still left out plenty and there’s lots of room for sequels, so I think Zelda could do something similar.
Like, (Mario Movie spoilers) the starman scene is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema, and I don’t think it would’ve had the same effect on the small screen. Seeing Link drive the master sword through Ganondorf in a spectacular fashion on a 50 foot screen would make me feel like I was 11 again.
I can’t speak for Zelda, but this is pretty much how I feel about Metroid. I was never on board with the idea of a movie, but an animated series in the style of Netflix Castlevania? Sign me up!
I agree, but I still want a movie, so I was thinking an animated trilogy in the vein of Lord of the Rings.
No one would do that, but how hype would it be?
I love the spicy take salads. Seem very doable and (hopefully) less stressful. We all love you, Arlo!
After watching primal, I totally believe it is possible for something to have an emotional narrative, and never have the protagonist speak in a show/ movie
I've seen your square space ads so many times. Well I finally needed a website so I used your code! Can't believe it ended up being relevant for me haha
MOAR
This is one of my favorite series you do. I don’t know why you don’t have more subs! One of the most deserving CZcamsrs with the best video game content.
Also thank you for being on screen so much in these. I recognize the effort that must take but it adds SO MUCH! Great work!
Something to note about sales figures is multiple 2D games have actually outsold multiple 3D games (The Wind Waker in particular). *Most* 3D Zeldas have outsold the 2D games, but it's not always the case.
MM also really fell flat in sales being outsold by numerous 2d games. As for switch games links awakening has sold 6 million with skyward sword sitting bellow 4 million
It seems to be the inverse of Mario.
@@linkheroofspiritsakatrains4812 The OG Link's Awakening also sold over 6M.
I like how the guardian starts to want to attack him when he bumps into it until he says sorry, after which the guardian is soothed and no longer wants to kill him.
that guardian piano bit was way too good what even, arlo xD (currently binge watching your totk vids as i avoided everything until i finished the game haha.)
I need to take a moment to just stop and appreciate the amazing puppetry happening here
Puppetry?
I know a lot of people like to pretend to not break the magic, point proven by the comment above, but
It really is incredible. Here I am looking at a puppet while someone is talking…and I don’t question it. I think that voice is coming from the thing I see on my screen.
Arlo has gotten it FINE TUNED to the perfect level. It’s incredible 😊
@@michaelmcleod6203 Must mean the guardian, the music was a nice touch.
@@thespeedyyoshi It really is good. I genuinely forget sometimes that the face is just an inanimate object and isn't actually making noise. He's got his good hand gestures too
@@carl_consumer.of.reality I genuinely thought that was a digital avatar
I like the Zelda games with cutesy art styles more than the serious ones. (Windwaker, Link’s Awakening, Link Between Worlds)
Yeah, Twilight Princess atmosphere wise is too dark for me.
I like both but I do kinda like twilight a bit more than windwaker also I think twilight kinda felt unfinished sometimes
I love both. Back on the gamecube I loved both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess and thought it was great that Zelda can work in such drastically different styles. It's like Batman with dark and brooding takes, and then there's Adam West. It's been so long since we had an art style that attempted realism though. I'd like to see them try it again on the next console.
Yeah I mean it’s a children’s series at it’s core
Maybe it's just me but I kinda felt most Zelda games were pretty cutesy. Even Twilight Princess, yeah Link looks like an anime dude but then look at all the NPCs and they still have like Wind Waker body proportions.
7:50 As a hoarder myself, I resonate with that argument. I will go out of my way to not use rare cool items/weapons because "I might need it for something more important later" (I won't).
I like the weapons of the Champions a lot (especially Urbosa's) so it annoys the crap out of me that if I use it, it will break. So it ends up on a wall as decoration in Link's house... Hay!
Just add in a repair system or make the best weapons repare themselves (like the Master Sword).
I think the best way to handle traditional dungeons going forward would be to have the main story involve completely mandatory dungeons similar to Divine Beasts(If you're looking for a game where you can go straight to the final boss and ignore the narrative, why on earth are you playing Zelda?), which would give you a heart container and nothing else. Then, you can have traditional, completely optional dungeons spread across the overworld, mayb five or six per game if the world is as big as it is in BotW or maybe like ten in TotK. These would give you some form of a new ability. Whether they be like champion abilities in BotW, or traditional Zelda items, which is what I would like to see. These would also be used for completion percentage. Also, regarding the green outfit and hat, I will always want it to be Link's main outfit no matter what. I think it's what he should wear in official art and promotional material, and what he should wear as the "main outfit". like how the Champion's Tunic was the main outfit of BotW. But, I am a fan of player customization, so being able to dye the tunic, and just having a bunch of other outfits like in BotW and TotK would be nice.
“Not wanting to use weapons” is not why I don’t like the durability. GillyTheKid’s reasoning is exactly the way I feel, and to vastly summarize what he said about it, basically it just makes Link feel like less of a hero, he doesn’t have his own signature weapon anymore. We don’t earn cool new weapons that we can use for the rest of the game because all weapons are a dime a dozen and the all go away after ten minutes anyway, it’s like oh you’re playing Metroid? Oh you want Samus to use her arm cannon? Too bad, you have to use all these little guns that individually have her familiar beams and missiles and stuff, and they all shatter after a few uses, but it’s ok cause you’ll just find more eventually that are all scattered around the map. No more cool Chozo statues that bestow your permanent upgrades, now it’s just a bunch of guns that are scattered around everywhere.
I actually think this is really interesting, thanks for this look into it. The one thing I disagree with is the comparison of the permanent unlocks to the durability/weapon abundance system, I think that's a different and incomparable can of worms
This video made me realize that Arlo is truly one of my favorite youtubers. The section at the end where he wanted to clear up any misconceptions about his last video is so vulnerable and relatable. I also have INSANE anxiety about people misunderstanding me and alienating people I would otherwise get along with.
10:04 As a very very small child, I of course also had problems with some dungeons. But Apart from then, I never really felt like they were even near "too complicated", even when replaying some of them after so many years that I could no longer remember them.
10:52 as a matter of fact,, LinkBetweenWorlds pretty much had both of those things,, really tightly designed and honestly quite difficult and complex dungeons alongside smaller puzzle-caves where you could get a heartpiece or a giant rupee for solving a smaller puzzle/challenge. Of course shrines are much more important to overall progression than those caves ever were, but with a little fine-tuning in difficulty and necessity-of-solving-it LinkBetweenWorlds can act as a blueprint for having both!
Hahahaha that long explanation about the hat to end it with a simple crystal clear: I like it.
Just wanted to appreciate Arlo being on camera for a long while here. Know it's not the easiest to deal with the varying pressures of being on camera for a while so seeing a long video like this with a lot of on camera stuff is really cool!!!!!
It has occurred to me that he isnt a sentient puppet
“Just use them; you wont run out.”
I’m out of bows in the Desert Coliseum. I’m constantly out of bows in TotK
8:04 love that touch of the start of the guardian theme when you hit it.
I love the inclusion of personal details in your videos. Your unique voice and willingness to be open and genuine are why your channel clicked with me so much to begin with.
Sorry people suck! I love your channel.
That ending bit was the most relatable thing Ive seen in a while, and I don’t even make content online.
Arlo is the perfect guy for a series like this, he always is levelheaded and tries to see the merit in every opinion, even ones that go against things he's incredibly passionate about. And he's just so articulate and great (in my opinion) at presenting his point of view and counterargument. I strive to be as socially intelligent and understanding as this blue creature some day.
"they're called the Mario Twins, they looka the same" Arlo I didn't know you were so cultured..that resonated with a memory deep in my old man brain
For the Zelda movie idea, when it comes to link talking maybe they can pull his personality from the manga stories. Idk the general opinion of them but I like them.
I think he's too extroverted in those. The stoic man of few words thing they were going for in BotW fits him way better imo.
Just have him talk sparingly. The "silent protagonist" thing wouldn't work in a movie anyway. Link is silent in the games because he's an avatar for the player. That doesn't fly in a movie.
@@WarpChaos yeah, I know, that's kinda what I was trying to say.
the thing i thought of is have him have few spoken lines maybe (outside of maybe talking to zelda, maybe do something similar to botw where he opens up to her) but he communicates to the audience through his own thoughts. like we hear what he’s thinking sometimes, not all of the time, so it’s like better fitted for screen.
Having seen The Red Turtle, i think Link not talking in a movie could work... But only in animation. You can get away with a lot with just facial expressions and eyes.
Granted, it would still be weird if EVERYONE ELSE spoke but him, but maybe you could do a Mad Max, Conan the Barbarian or Samurai Jack and just have it be light on dialogue until it's absolutely necessary.
A Genndy Tartakovsky directed Zelda movie would be excellent. Samurai Jack would be a good template for a movie or TV Zelda
I’d love a Studio Ghibli zelda movie
His new unicorn series seems cool. Reincarnated heroes just like Link
Thank you Arlo for bringing Joy to this world.
I really like this series! I hope you keep it going!
I think it'd be cool to have a dlc of like a "ultradungeon" where the idea of a long "traditional dungeon" but its *massive*, just completely the opposite of the shrines. Would be a fun to see how people feel there.
I love this idea. Especially if it was something with multiple entry points.