The Long Land Pattern Brown Bess Musket From Military Heritage
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- The Long Land Pattern musket and its derivatives, all 0.75 inch calibre flintlock muskets, were the standard long guns of the British Empire's land forces from 1722 until 1838, when they were superseded by a percussion cap smoothbore musket. The British Ordnance System converted many flintlocks into the new percussion system known as the Pattern 1839 Musket. A fire in 1841 at the Tower of London destroyed many muskets before they could be converted. Still, the Brown Bess saw service until the middle of the nineteenth century.
Most male citizens of the thirteen colonies of British America were required by law to own arms and ammunition for militia duty. The Long Land Pattern was a common firearm in use by both sides in the American War of Independence.
loading while on the run, IMO you don't see this enough .. love it and *LIKED* the video pards -- LT
I plan on making a video on loading on the run in the future albeit with shorter musket maybe.
Thank you sir
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Typed in "450 number 2 british musket lead" in the search box and this video was suggested.
lol its a small world
Fantastic. I've always preferred the LL Pattern over its other British contemporaries. That ol' can had lived a charmed life, until Caleb got a hold of it!
Yep Caleb's a regular colonial sniper with ol Bessie
Hey guys ,love the channel and the name . I was 11b 1p myself years ago . I really like the way you approached the india muskets ! Are they perfect , no are they do able with some tune up ,Yes . They are something a working man can afford while raising kids and paying bills . And most blackpowder guys have to tinker and tune anyway . Use your head , becareful and have fun ! My old man built his 1st muzzleloader in 1966 ,I was 9 yrs old and hooked ever since . Got my youngest granddaughter a tradions 50 flint carbine for her 1st ml . Its a 1in 32 twist for sabot but 42 grains of 3fff and a patched 490 ball you can cover 3 shots with a quarter at 25yds .any way thanks for the channel . Mark e Baker or at rondy sir happy pants
I've wanted a Military Heritage Brown Bess or Charleville for a while but I worried about finding a gunsmith to make a flash hole and about the safety/reliability of these India(?) made guns.
Drilling the flash holes is no problem I don't even bother with pulling the breach plugs anymore I just measure it out and drill the flash hole where it needs to go. As far as safety and reliability goes I fired over 2500 rounds out of my charleville (500 rounds in the last 2 weeks) and have not had any issues with safety. reliability is about as good as the originals. fit and finish is where they leave a little to be desired but if you just want to shooter they are good to go.
That is some minute man action. nice video.
Glad you enjoyed
My eyes getting bad, can't tell how many redcoats to report to the Captain ?
But thanks because I found Lenk's book just now for $29 in very good+ condition. Scalpers on Amazon wanted $900 (new).
excellent video...keep your eyes open when you shoot
I have to rave about your video, magnificent 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸❤️ Im hooked on your show now.
Super intro scene, smartly done. You do a nice job of explanation of your topic.
Nice camera angles and music selection. Just one thing you’ll have to get little brother outfitted, ha,ha,. 😁👍🏻 He knows his musket as you know yours. I’m getting the 1728 French musket. hopefully I can do F&I and Rev war with it. Keep up the good work.
Thanks alot we're glad you are enjoying our videos
Oh man, I was with you and waiting to follow-up your 1st shot! If you hit the lobster officer I would have dropped his horse! 😂
"Aim small, miss small." LOL
Or if you're like me you just miss lol.
@@Real11BangBang "No, I'm not a good shot, but I do shoot often." - Theodore Roosevelt
Good vid, but I wished you pointed out to never load directly from the horn, even for your ‘dramatic effect’
I bet they did what a soldier had to do back then, safety was shoot the other guy before he shoots you!
The curvature of the earth will get you every time, eh? But it doesn’t cause any less fun fer ser! I’m the same height as you and my 1829 N. Starr with the bayonet is 6’2” tall. Godda have room when loading for that long ram rod. Mine was flintlock converted to cap lock by the military. Indeed, I do wish it was still flint but not because it would increase its value but it was originally that way. Sure the caps work well but it’s that extra missing thing. Perhaps one day I can find an original flint lock and I have seen a few on line for lots O bucks for flint O locks! So I recon I’ll just have to make a flint lock one day. Great video and I Loved how you wiped out that entire British column with one shot! Amazing! Kind Thanks and Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thank you for the kind comment and yes there is something about that giant swoosh in the pan right before the gun goes off. The flintlock creates that no other gun seems to be able to beat
How fast do you have to clean off the black residue you pick up from the loading rod before you have to worry about rust? Also beautiful musket!
we generally just clean at the end of the day. thanks for watching
0:50 tactical run and gun
Yessir
Dam I’m 5 foot 3 if I ever buy one of these I’m going to have a problem trying to load the thing😂
Dig a hole wherever you loading, problem solved
@@normalcitizen_1 😂
Definitely not easy especially while you're running lol
Angle the but stock further away from your body
What size ball do you shoot from the brown bess?
I'm only scratching the surface of getting into black powder muzzle loader shooting.... I purchased a short land pattern from military heritage, kind of terrified (but very excited) of trying it because of all the people warning about them being pipe bombs. Any advice? lol
I bought their Charleville. Bad timing right infront of NE winter. I guess I’ll play ‘Valley Forge’. 🥶 You could strap that barrel to a log and ‘proof’ it OR just keeping watching CZcams videos! 😎🤞🙏🏻
Sorry it took so long to reply we use a 69 caliber round ball mold from Lee
They are not "pipe bombs." The barrels are made of modern steel.
My recommendation is to limit your charges to 100 grains. Archeology reports state that the British used a .685 ball on average. Modern shooters tend to use too large a ball. .685 or .69 keeps it small enough for easy loading. I am sure other people have different opinions.
Besides the "don't load from your horn" comment, I would add, "Do NOT fire a flinter without eye protection - EVER!"
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im buying the 3rd model brown bess from military heritage this friday, I was going to use a .715 ball and a .018 wad with a 90gr charge behind it, this should be fine eh? Ill be using Fg as my main charge and FFFFg as my pan charge, this is my first flintlock but I want to make sure I buy everything exactly as needed as money is a little tight, I cant really afford to "experiment" with ball and patch sizes. Also the GOEX load chart specifies Fg for any flintlocks over .70 but I dont see many people using it, mostly everyone just uses the FFg, will there be that much of a noticeable difference? The Fg and FFFFg are the ONLY powders available in southern Ontario right now, which limits me pretty much to the brown bess (not a bad thing) so I figured my setup would be a really good starting point. Also, if I want to use bird shot in it, do I stay with the same 90gr charge?
Also, may I ask why you loaded the pan first before the barrel? This is INCREDIBLY dangerous, not to mention your pan charge is able to spill? I was always told by my grandfather who was a member of a flintlock club, that you load the barrel first, that way you're not at risk of blowing your hand off or spilling any of your pan powder, keep your barrel loaded and then when you think you might need to take a shot, load your pan and start walking.
1F is what we use in larger then .62 cal guns as it more accurately replicates the powders of the 18th century. there is not much notable difference in the accuracy of the musket and it doesn't produce as much recoil as 2F. if you want to see it tested vs 2f go watch the Black powder tv channel he has some tests on the subject. as for your ball and patch combo you may have to work up a load as all bores even from high-end manufacturers can differ very slightly. if You watch duelist 1954s channel you will see that historical brown bess guns were usually not patched. and lastly it is much safer to load your charge first however historical military records show when loading with paper cartridges you always prime the pan first. this was done so that you dont accidently pore all the powder from the cartridge down the bore and have nothing left to prime with we only do this when Is demonstrating a historical loading process. if you want to see more on that Check out British muzzle loaders channel he has great videos on the subject. i know this was a little long winded thanks for watching
Priming the pan first is how every military drill manual of the period has you load. Your lock should be in good working order. The half-cock position is the safety position. You should not have any problems. If you are in doubt get your musket checked out by a gunsmith who knows flintlocks.
I have yet to find the video where you proof the gun. I watched the video where you drill the touch hole into one of your guns
Don't worry, we're getting ready to do a Paget Carbine proofing video here in the near future. We were just waiting on some more parts for it to come in. We will probably start filming that one tomorrow
the 1st and second land pattern were both .78-.82" bores. Once the 3rd model (the officially adopted version of EITC model) which was .745-.755 was adopted, there began the issue of ammo compatibility; as some makers were still producing the old .75ish balls like when the 2nd land pattern was standard. The official standard by the peninsular war was .72-.73 balls, wrapped in a paper cartridge, it's just that some makers got away with supplying the army with non standard stuff (corruption in the British war department was absolutely rampant until that mess in the Crimean War). Most modern repro's cheat by using the same .75 barrels for everything (not that that's a bad thing for shooters, as anything over 10 bore is excessive IMO)
If you want a musket that you can hit stuff with pretty easily, look at making up a repro of a 1805 light-infantry pattern musket, complete with offset bayonet lug, front and rear sights, and a trigger guard with a scalloped grip rail!
I had to laugh on your excuses for missing the can, those sound an awful lot like mine lol. +1 on the vent location; it's funny, for as simple as these guns appear, there's a lot of little details that really make the gun do well, or not as well. The old gunmakers definitely were craftsmen.
im buying the 3rd model brown bess from military heritage this friday, I was going to use a .715 ball and a .018 wad with a 90gr charge behind it, this should be fine eh? Ill be using Fg as my main charge and FFFFg as my pan charge, this is my first flintlock but I want to make sure I buy everything exactly as needed as money is a little tight, I cant really afford to "experiment" with ball and patch sizes. Also the GOEX load chart specifies Fg for any flintlocks over .70 but I dont see many people using it. The Fg and FFFFg are the ONLY powders available in southern Ontario right now, so I figured my setup would be a really good starting point. Also, if I want to use bird shot in it, do I stay with the same 90gr charge?
I was looking at Military Heritage and those muskets are like 500-600. How's the quality of the arm(s) you're purchased from them? Anyone can answer, just surprised to see them sold this low when at the same time i see like Pedersoli selling them for like 2 grand. Would love some opinion/feedback. This site makes weapons like this tempting.
What you see in this video is what they look like out of the Box.
What you see in this video right here that I'm going to leave a link to is what you can make them look like.
czcams.com/video/1zgN0gTA_-I/video.html
As far as function goes they all seem to work pretty well I've had quite a bit of experience with them and I haven't been disappointed yet
@@Real11BangBang sir thank you for your reply! I'm actually getting into rev war reenacting so these prices are really attractive. Have you experienced any reliability or function issues or the wood or metal work coming apart at all in the time you've owned these guns from military heritage? Sorry for the third degree i just want to be sure what I'm getting into with such a budget price point! Haha
2 grand for a Pedersoli Bess is robbery.
I think the Americans used more French muskets that British muskets. Nice video btw.
thank you
The delay when you're firing might be because your touch hole is too low like you said in your vid, next musket you buy drill the hole at the same height of the top of the flash pan... cheers! allez, salut!
you are correct since we purchased this gun we have added 14 more flintlocks to the collection all of the touch holes being drilled slightly higher then the top of the pan so that when the barrel settles into the stock it is just right. thanks for watching.
How many grains of powder are you using?
150
@@Real11BangBang Thank you.
Sorry, how long of your musket?
Around 165 cm
@@Real11BangBang thanks, sir
I do hope you know that grenadiers did not actually use grenades by the time the Bess was issued to them
When the Dublin Castle Musket came out in 1720 grenadiers were still using hand grenades mind you not as many as they used to but they still were in service.
Especially in siege warfare.
LMAO....good shooting Mr. Dead-eye.
Atleast you know I don't edit out my misses lol
If you want to see me do some decent flintlock shooting I suggest you watch my 1766 Charleville accuracy test
@@Real11BangBang I did. I really appreciate your videos it's helping me to decide if I want to get into this hobby or not. Keep up the great work.
Hey brother could you tell me what the colonist mostly used during the Revolution. Sounds like the brown bess was already phasing out?
So the land pattern aka "brown bess" is the predominant British service weapon of the time. They would have been using the 1769 short land pattern but early on in the war they would still be using long land patterns mostly. The colonist would also use the long land pattern as well as fowling pieces and occasionally rifles early on in the war as well as committee of safety guns however, after 1777, the French started shipping over thousands and thousands of their muskets that were being replaced by the model 1777 musket. And so after 1777 you're going to see a lot more regulars armed with French...
1717s, 1728s, 1728-54s, 1763 stainville muskets, 1763-66 light muskets aka "Charlevilles", (these would be the most common of all the French muskets in the Continental army) 1768s, 1770s, 1773 Valerie muskets, and lastly, the 1774 inspector general's Musket.
Missing at yards ? u need a bayonet
yes we do
Braver than I am, shooting one of those Bombay pipe bombs
Been doing it for quite a while now... ain't blown up yet lol.
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