Nathan Oakley claims I've proven Flat Earth with triangles
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#globe #science #flatearth - Věda a technologie
"Nathan Oakley thinks..." I'm going to stop you right there
Yeah I've reworded it now 😂
so you used your curved baseline for celestial navigation? Tell me how you got your angle measurements then....or do you not understand geometry
@@molanlabe5868 Oh no did I upset a little Nathan Oakley fanboy 🤭 I understand geometry just fine, I also know how to convert meters to kilometers, along with most primary school children ❤️
@@philbreadcrumbs8179 🤣😂👏thank you
proved what I was thinking about you and the people on this channel.
I asked multiple questions....and got no response of worth.
boy you really showed me 🤣
@@molanlabe5868 You think that the earth is flat, your opinion is worthless, thanks for stopping by 😊
Two flat earth engineers were standing at the base of a flagpole, looking at its top. A sphericist walked by and asked what they were doing.
"We're supposed to find the height of this flagpole," said a flat earther, "but we don't have a ladder."
The sphericist took a wrench from a bag, loosened a couple of bolts, and laid the pole down on the ground.
The sphericist took a tape measure from the bag, took a measurement and announced, "Twenty one feet, six inches," and walked away.
One flat earther shook his head and laughed, "Typical sphericist ! We ask for the height and the sphericist gives us the length!"
That little oldie is still a goldie :) .
Later on they wondered why it was so easy for him to lower the pole when it took both of them to raise it...
😜😜😜😜😜😜
@@Katy_Jones they were too dense
rojhaz !! (see who gets that. hint 1602)
"Because the sun moves in our sky as if we lived on a sphere orbiting said sun, we will never be able to calculate the distance to the sun because we don't live on a sphere." Such amazing logic. Really top notch stuff.
yeahhhhh
It is that he probably believes that if the earth is flat then the sun has to revolve around the earth cause the earth is a fixed disk, it can't rotate so everything must move around it. And the sun at certain times in an arc is closer or farther away.
@@user-zx9gg4hx8rOne giant leap to the Stone Age for a man...
Show curvature.
@@wardrobegirl67 curvature has been measure using measuring tools and written down as data sets from all over the world for hundreds of years now. You flerfs who keep saying "show curvature" already have all the measurements and data you would ever want or need. You just refuse to believe that they're real because you didn't personally do it yourself. So why don't you go do the measurements and experiments yourself...correctly...to prove us wrong. Stop forcing everyone else to do your work for you and do it yourself.
The dog probably knows more than a typical flat-earther.
Does a dog know more than AI ? American AI .? Because I struggle with arrogance and yours is about to disappear.
This creator will swear blind that man landed on the moon. He has attempted to ridicule me often without presenting much in way of comprehensible answers. However.
Last weekend at the world AI convention, AI called all of the Chinese probe photos genuine.
The same AMERICAN AI, called all of Apollo's photos,..FAKE !!! Including all of them. All moon photos, fake.
From now on, argue with AI, your arrogance will work a treat with that.
And enjoy your awakening.
@@deanhall6045AI claimed to have written the constitution. So excuse me for not trusting it
probably? thats so unfair to the dog!
😂😅
The dog is so cute.. I chuckled in delight each time Dave was gesturing and the doggie wanted to play handsies ... hahaha
I love how they always want to be involved. Beautiful creatures
I would literally pay money to hear Nathan complaining to the airline about how they should fire their pilot because he follows the "globe model". 😂😂😂😂
I'd love a pilot to recognise Nathan on a flight and tell him that after takeoff - see what his reaction would be
Flerfs shouldn't' take planes. Imagine the stress of taking off in the belief that there is no way to know the distance to the destination and not knowing if the plane will have enough fuel to arrive. And navigation relying on GPS balloons drifting in the wind. Not to speak about the risk of crashing against the Sun or the Moon when they are in the clouds.
@@tysondog843 The Where's Wally channel has already addressed it. Among other issues with it (there are several), the camera was aimed about 3° off line of where he said it was. At that distance, that's a pretty big miss. (about 6 widths of the sun)
@@critthought2866 Thanks, I haven't seen that video, I'll check it out. But I'd still love to hear Dave's take.
"And the Table being FLAT gives us a PERFECTLY Straight baseline for 90 degree ANGLES down to the Ground Position on the FLAT EARTH TABLE." -- Dave Globe Twiangles McKeegan
🤣😂🤣
Calculating a straight line between two observers on the earth really strikes a chord.
Ouch.
Nice one !
dont care how many like this gets. It is underrated.
🏆
Dave has proven Oakley is a chord-less tool. #HereComesThePun
It must be really hard to avoid strawmanning Nate's arguments when all Nate's arguments are made of straw.
More like what is left of the straw after it passes through a cow, horse etc.
Never knew flat earthers existed outside of the US. Unfortunately, that’s a new low for Britain.
Oh, there's flat-earthers all over the globe😂
@@whimsical_me5135Wait until they learn they breath in the atmosphère and not in the atmosflat.
@@MarvinHartmann452... atmo-flatulance!!! 😁✌️
Don't worry, there's different flavors of bullshit in every country!
E.g., it's hard to find a flat-earther in the former USSR (at least, yet). However, there's torsion-field "researchers" and bio-resonance "healers" and all sorts of conspiracy quacks. I think flat earth just doesn't resonate with the locals because atheism is a lot more prevalent here, and without creationists, you lose a ton of potential flerfs. Nibiru, however, sounds exciting and sci-fi-ish, so that's a huge hit around these parts!
So fret not! I'm sure there's at least some flavor of BS that British quacks came up with - and that their fans across the pond gobbled up and couldn't get enough of. Aren't the reptiloids a British idea? :D
So there's more, but I think Nathan doesn't actually believe the Earth is flat.
Nathan Oakley is proof that you can't win an argument with a flerf because the moment you try to point out where they are incorrect you're instantly so far outside their ability to comprehend that it sounds like gibberish to them. They immediately start incorrectly spewing the names of logical fallacies, elevation angles, GP's, density disequilibrium and vacuum containment.
I had a flat earther who demanded an answer to their question. "How far is the distance to see the curve". Having asked just what they meant and pointing out it was a meaningless question, they kept asking the same thing over and over again and took no answer as a gotcha. That was after I pointed out their giving the distance round the Equator on a flat as about 25,000 miles showed the Earth could not be flat.
Flerf...😂😅
Flerf-think: "We have no idea about how any of that works, but earth is absolutely 100% not a globe, because all the things we don't understand how they work would not work that way on a globe."
@@grahvis I had a similar conversation, going over the whole "you need a container for pressure thing". I kept asking about pressure differentials, since it's easily measurable that we have a gradation of pressure on earth, you just have to go up a mountain, and asking them why that was. They kept seeming to think that atmospheric pressure wasn't pressure, or something. Honestly, I could not for the life of me try to understand their reasoning. All of course, ignoring their torrent of insults.
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet farty breath?
I'm a deck officer in the merchant navy, bachelor's degree in maritime navigation and a master's degree in the same field. It's so frustrating to watch them talking about sextants and celestial navigation because they have no idea about them at all.
Roger that m8!👍
of course they dont RN here and radar, UHF radio and survey
Literally one single day of looking at boats you will realize that they disappear bottom-to-top and arrive top-to-bottom, and that is how you are supposed to identify the heading of a craft on the horizon.
Hey, man. Go easy on those guys. Some of those instruments are not REALLY proven. Just because we, as a species, have used some of them successfully for thousands of years to circumnavigate... Ummm... Yeah...
@@nsahandler those boats just sank. The ones that come back are obviously submarines. Yes, sail powered submarines existed in ancient times. Water is more dense than air, so a submerged sail... 😅sorry, I can't finish this joke
Debating flat earthers is like Debating a 3yr old. They just say nuh,uh and start calling you names
The whole premise of a flat Earth is blown away by the fact you can't see Polaris from the southern hemisphere. If the Earth was flat, you should be able to see any (and all) of the constellations from anywhere on the Earth.
This is also what convinced me too.
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Flat earthers are every similar to communist.
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So sad to actively ignore blatant holes in their theory with proof.
I might just be tired but I dont see the connection to communists? @Xxcyclonexx44
@@reapertemptations evidence of communism and/or flat earth not working is just evidence of sabotage.
Flerfs apparently think the word "debunk" means "failed to comprehend."
Parrots repeat everything they hear, without putting any of their own thoughts into it. You're well entrained.
I don't understand.
@@Thirdbase9 i guess you debunked this claim then
💀💀💀💀@@PumpkinTed
The video literally shows the guy using a triangle, which has 3 FLAT sides, not curves. So it does debunk it. FACT
„Nathan Oakley thinks“
If only he would…
The Flat Earth Debate channel has been ongoing for the last 6 years or so, why don't you go on and try and prove your delusional fantasies?
You don't have the 'balls' to, that's why, stick to your blind belief in spinning balls
That statement does not compute 😂
404 Nathan Oakley's brain not found
Sadly, I think it's supposed to be "believes."
Nathan Oakley's default emotional state is angry. He's a toddler having a lifelong tantrum.
he uses anger to hide his ignorance.
@@johnqpublic7608and to relive his childhood 😂
Flat earthers need to come up with *one single Flat Earth model* to show how every characteristic and claim they make about how the earth behaves within its surroundings is true.
If they need *more than one model,* their claims are *not correct.*
wonky space explains it all. unfortunately you can't pin down any solid parameters of wonky space so the jokes on us.
Think they have a single model for every single theory. They can explain them 1 by 1, but cant Connect them.
Love that the dog spends most of the video just looking at you like "why are you not petting me right now?'
Or... who the heck is he talking to all the time ....and it's not me!
"Why does this hooman keep talking to a void"
Nathan is always so confident in his misunderstanding of math and physics that other Flat Earther's just nod their heads and go along with whatever he says.
That and he mutes anyone who disagrees.
He’s not confident or he wouldn’t need his mute button. The truth of the matter is he knows he’s got nothing so resorts to the aggressive tactics of a bully. All he ever does is present half truths and lies.
Sounds like the leader of a cult
I honestly think there's something mentally wrong with Oakley. Some type of narcissism or sociopathy or something. I'd actually pay for having this guy professionally psych evaluated.
@@Isolder74 don't forget that he also yells at them with a vile stream of insults to overule their talking points or flustering them into making mistakes in speech and then insulting them for that while using it as proof that they don't know what they are talking about. Nathan really is a vile little gremlin.
It’s really cool how you manage to stay professional and keep your tone and attitude on a strictly factual level, great skills for a debater
Awfully one sided when the opposition can't get past "Nuh-uh!!" in reply.
I love how you calmly explain and show your work while he has to rely on aggression and playground insults cause that's all he has. It really shows who among the two of you has factual evidence and who doesn't.
I am a civil engineer and I took a surveying class in school. We had to do the calculations to account for the curvature.
Well, now you’re just confusing the issue with logic,facts and reason. Lolz...
Same. They also taught us on day one of Surveying Systems the difference between flat and level.
Really, I thought you was a hobbit?
@@wiredforstereoI have a shelf on my wall, it's flat but it isn't level 🙄
@@waynehome4061 Size, distance and scale matter.
...If you had a straight, flat shelf long enough, that didn't bend, let's say 1 mile long. The two ends of that straight unbent flat shelf would be about 8" above the earth's surface. In other words, equal points of elevation are not a straight flat plane. Take a tiny straight toothpick and place it on a classroom sized Globe to get a nice visual.
...Good thing the engineers/project directors of LIGO understood this. So they could construct two straight arms for their laser tests.
The Rainy Lake Advanced Bedford Level Experiment demonstrates
...Several Targets of equal elevation staggered up to 10 km away from the observer's position.
...The targets of equal elevation show an increasing dropping down and away from the observer's auto-level's straight line of site, that dropping down and away increases with distance. Which matches a globe prediction.
...Done several times also, to see how varying refractive conditions affect the observation of the targets.
Using your instructions, I went and found that other chap (in less than 10 seconds, very easy) and stumbled across a live video he was doing. It was 2 hours in and they were still going on about the triangles. They, using flawed math, thought they were onto something and ran with it. I mean, they ran and ran and ran, as if the more they tried to explain it, the more believable it would be. I watched until it got painful, about 10 minutes and left. I see the video went for over 4 hours. They were very pleased with themselves, I think I lost IQ points.
And they only got through half of my video during that stream ... There is probably another 3-4 hours to go 🤦🏻♂️
@@DaveMcKeegan If you watched more than 10 minutes of that rubbish, you are a braver man than I.
@@fillinblankspace Nope, I just jumped through a dozen random points and had a quick listen and it was just more of the same claims, no evidence and plenty of insults
So no need to waste my time watching the rest of it
And if they do part 2 I'll probably just jump to see how Nathan swerves addressing the globe evidence I presented 😂
@@DaveMcKeegan by the way, I don’t know much about celestial navigation so what’s he talking about when he says “it’s using a flat baseline” and how does it work on a globe if it is flat.
Genuine question I am not a flat earther
@@user-hf9jr1qm4i Basics is that celestial navigation is you use the relative position of multiple stars to trilaterate where you are on Earth
To do it accurately you want the angle between the star and your true horizon (a flat line from where you're standing)
But you don't have that unless you have the sextant on the ground at sea level as there your distance to the horizon is O Once you go at all above sea level then you're viewing angle is sloping slightly downwards towards your visible horizon, and that slope increases the higher you go, which would then add inaccuracies to your measurements.
So you offset this with the use of dip correction, which is the angle, based on your height above sea level, that you subtract away from your observed angle to remove that excess caused by the slope
Hope that makes sense
Ask for a model? They need three different ones.
Ask for falsifiable predictions? They can't give them.
Ask for measurements of distance? They can't calculate them.
Why do we still think flerfers are sentient again?
well, it's an open question.
they may well be evil alien lizards
Doggo: quit talking to thin air you madman and take me out for walkies!!!
😊
Your jab about people not being able to convert meters and kilometers was understated brilliance.
My brain still freeze every time I read "cubic inches", when I read docs about american car engines
No seriously I was thinking "but that's easy cause it's all in tens-OHHH. That's a good one." I bet the flat earther's are trying to figure out both the conversions, and why it's an insult. While using miles for their conversions. Then claiming that the measurements are for a straight line and therefore the earth has no curve if we use those measurements. Their logic truly defies reality.
Except he didn't say, "...meters and kilometers.." He said "... converting meters TO kilometers..." meaning they can't do something as simple as multiply or divide by 10. A completely different meaning than what you have inferred. He's talking about struggling with basic math concepts and NOT metric versus imperial measurements - review what he's actually said at 3:35.
Is your pfp a flag of british maryland?? Lol
Yes, it's the Maryland flag pre-American Revolution, and it doesn't have the Confederate Crossland (red and white part), which was added after the Civil War as "reconciliation."
Flat Earther: *screaming obscenities and making overt threats*
Also Flat Earther: *bursts into tears and runs crying the moment a normal person disagrees with them*
triangles
@@orangezilla247aliens man
Worryingly, this is how it starts though..the people shouting eventually get listened to. Us normies stay quiet, out of politeness and therefore end up getting ignored. These people will end up running the globe! Oh wait...
@@BraveShowBoys no... triangles.
@@orangezilla247 dang… you right
My faith in humanity was lost when I was probably about 7 and found out flat earthers still existed. It has now been partially restored after finding these videos. You are so patient with him and everyone knows that he will never listen to anything, but its really funny in a way. I love how you just use his own clips from his own videos against him, because they are that bad.
14:52 Now I have to say that intro to "SquareSpace" was on point.
I thought the triangles were on point.
😂
It should be noted that there are flat earthers all over the globe.
Awesome!😂
Loooool😂😂
Thank goodness u didnt wright all over the pancake cause that would have nade me stop eating pancakes 😂😂😂
EXELENT point tho 😂😂😂
That’s funny 😂😂😂😂
@@pallejensen9484”wright” ? What? or don’t you mean to say write !?!?!
I see what you did there. You should have inserted your pinkie into the corner of your mouth
The patience you hold in the face of slanderous conspiracy nut jobs is what I aspire to obtain in life.
Or you could just ignore it. Flat earth nonsense was created by trolls to waste people’s time and expose super gullible people. The only way for this to go away is to ignore it. If you’re spending 30 minutes watching someone talking about how the earth really is round, you’re the one who is losing here. Think about that.
You don't know what he's saying as soon as the camera's are off 😄
@@DrTheRich He says "thank god, my job is secure for as long as there are stubborn flatties".
And even if the last flatty prophet converts to globalism, that will just mean that new conspiracy theories will pop up to fill the void. "Jewish scientists created colors in the 1920s; the original world was greyscale!"
Everyday, more globe believers are shocked to know that:
1. All earth images from space are fake.
2. No rocket has gone above 100 km in altitude.
3. Antarctica circumnavigation has never happened.
4. Satellites don't exist.
5. Flights never nose dive because of no curvature.
6. Flights between australia and south america never fly over Antarctica, instead it goes through northern part.
7. Moon landing is fake.
8. No 24 hour sun in Antarctica.
9. A huge difference in heat from the sun between noon and morning-evening.
10. Polar star trails are circular, but it should be straight lines or some other abstract shape if earth is flying at 800,000 kmph speed.
11. So-called space videos are from balloons using a fish eye lens camera and from 3D softwares.
12. Moon's night side is same as sky instead of black.
13. "A live telecast of rocket attached with a regular lens camera going up atleast 20,000 km in altitude or upto whole earth comes in a single frame" has never happened, no one even tried.
14. Go fast rocket hit the dome about 98 km.
15. During solar eclipse the alleged moon's shadow is about only 100 km wide and it moves from west to east , north-east to south-west and many directions.
16. Sometimes lunar eclipse occurs while the sun is still above the horizon.
17. Our eyes and senses tell that we are not moving and not spinning.
It's not a conspiracy that stagnant water is horizontal. Just a fact. Good thing you guys aren't building structures or flying planes
A significant percentage of flat earthers don't believe a word that they are saying.
I don't care what anybody says - anyone that tries as hard as Nathan does to prove the earth is flat, knows that it isn't and is just pretending. It is not possible to put that level of effort into "proving" a fiction without realizing it's fiction.
That's exactly what I've been thinking. These people who definitely have encountered enough evidence that the earth isn't flat are just scamming people. David Weiss and Witsit too. They have just practiced a big set of lies and it's obvious how they avoid some important questions and direct the discussion to other directions. LIke Nathan, he just screams nonsense to avoid honest discussion.
They’re doing it to trick stupid people and make money
5:34 “fairly inaccurate tools”. A perfect description of Flat Earthers in general and Nathan in particular.
Can u go outside and prove the globe then
Then you had to say "fairly inaccurate fools".
@@flatearth7814 yea look at the planes above you in the distance, they dont fall down on you lol, they still fly
@flatearth7814 with what tools would you like the measurements to be taken?
Nothing fair in the inaccuracy of Flatbrainers, Duncan.
They are GROSSLY inaccurate tools. And useless for any work on top of that.
So Nathan want's every pilot sacked for flying their planes incorrectly and dangerously. He has a point because, as we all know too well, every aircraft that takes off ends up crashing because the pilots have foolishly employed calculations that assume the earth is a sphere. Thank you for your service, Nathan!
If brains were gunpowder, he would not have enough to kill a flea!
With that logic, how the hell is planes a source of travel?
Triangles, I have to say you are definitely the best flat-earth-debunking CZcamsr. No shade on the other folks doing great work on their own channels, but the way you so calmly and eloquently take down their claims with research, calculations, and those easy to understand graphics is simply awesome. I've been making my way through your back catalog since I discovered your channel a few weeks ago, and I learn something (and get ammo against flerfs) with each one. I'm not looking forward to the day I have to actually wait for a new video to come out because I've already watched everything else you've put out!
I live in South Africa and can't ever see Polaris from where I stay.
It's interesting that Nathan states that celestial objects can be used very predictably to navigate, implying that the optics of the celestial sphere work in a very predictable way, yet no flat earther has been able to produce a model that reflects that, at all.
Remember, the flat earther's standard for predictions is the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. On the other hand, you can pinpoint the precise time and azimuth, yet they'll complain you didn't predict the humidity and turbulence. We've seen they're unwilling to even attempt navigation, all while proclaiming expertise. NO in particular is an abusive charlatan, who after years of training to erupt in rage at every opportunity is entirely incapable of argument and uninterested in truth.
They claim the sun appears and disappears due to atmospheric lensing.
You obviously slept during school. Sailors used/use sextants to navigate the SEA-LEVEL oceans. Same stars in the sky(then and now, like clockwork). Here's a simple ? for you. Google this ?, word for word, How far is it across Lake Michigan from Chicago? Here's the answer, "Chicago is 59 miles from the opposite shore of Lake Michigan. Given the earth's curvature, it should be 2320 feet below the horizon. On a clear day, with my telescope or telephoto lens, I can see all the skyline including shoreline. Can't do that on a round Earth. Wake up, most of your schooling was all lies.
@@stephend9899 Sextants work by measuring the angle between a celestial body (like the sun or a star) and the horizon. The principle behind a sextant is based on the spherical nature of Earth. If the Earth were flat, there wouldn’t be a consistent angle to measure no matter where on Earth you were. If Earth were flat, Polaris (used frequently for Northern Hemisphere navigation) would either be visible from everywhere or from nowhere. If it were always directly above the North Pole, as many flat Earth proponents argue, then its angle of elevation would remain nearly constant as you move "inward" or "outward" from the North Pole. But this isn't what we observe. Instead, as you move southward, the angle of Polaris above the horizon decreases until it's no longer visible once you're in the Southern Hemisphere.
In the Southern Hemisphere, navigators use the Southern Cross and other stars to find their latitude. On a flat Earth model, the entirety of the Southern Hemisphere poses problems. How can people in Australia, South Africa, and South America all see the same set of stars directly to their south on the same night? On a flat Earth, they would be looking in drastically different directions, but on a spherical Earth, they are all looking towards the same southern celestial pole.
Two different things. One person is speaking about objects the other is speaking about spheres.
Mr Oakley might well have been the person in Mark Twain's thoughts when he said, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
The only issue is that Nathan clearly has no experience, only unbacked confidence.
@@simbachvazo6530 no no, he has much experience at being an idiot.
Reminds me of my favorite high school comeback when someone was being difficult to argue...
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, but impossible to win an argument with a fool."
Seeing Oakley badmouth your subscriber count made me subscribe.
I discovered your channel just a couple of days ago and I've been binge watching since then, shoutout from Brazil!
The calmer you stay,the more frustration Nathan feels😂😂😂😂 keep up the great work 👍🏻
Triangles
Oakley is a prime example of an empty vessel making the most noise.
The guy’s a cult leader. He doesn’t have to make sense to anybody but his followers, not even himself, cause he likely doesn’t believe anything he’s saying.
My sister was in the navy for 6 years and said the coolest thing she saw a lot was watching another ship cresting the curvature of the earth over the horizon.
I am still waiting for my question of why when I was in the Army, and had to call in artillery strikes on a specific spot, that i had to not only account for wind, humidity, and temperature, but also earth curvature and rotation. According to flatworms (I mean earthers), the "flat earth" does not rotate as well.
I enjoyed all the math and proof in the video, but my favorite thing has to be the way your dog keeps telling you to keep scratching.
same!
Man that dog is 50% of the video
I love watching him repeatedly give Dave paw whenever he’s expressively talking and his hand gestures mimic the “gimme paw” position.
Was looking for the dog comment😂
Nathan Oakley talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect is painfully ironic. 💀
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
@@MrCheswickMusic Yes, I live by the ocean and have sailed many times.
@@Leymora No dude, you live in a lunatic asylum, keep taking your meds (AKA the covid jabs)
@@MrCheswickMusic spinning half as fast as the hour hand on a clock. What does covering 1000 miles in an hour have to di with anything? There is zero acceleration. You can't feel constant speed. You folks are not smart people that are uneducated, you folks are just dumb.
@@MrCheswickMusic What are you trying to achieve with spamming this comment everywhere?
But the shadow on the moon debunks flat earth
The earth is a donut, and the sun is a bacon omelet...mmm... celestial breakfast...
Actually, it is quite easy to calculate the height of the flat earth sun without needing any elevation angles.
All you need to do is calculate the distance the FE sun travels in one hour. Then take a point directly beneath the half way distance between those two positions, creating an isosceles triangle with an apex angle of 15 degrees. From that you get the height of the sun.
It then becomes interesting because it will show the height of the FE sun must change considerably as it moves between the Tropics, thus showing it must also vary in size to retain its angular size.
You can also work out what its elevation angle must be from any point on the FE.
It then becomes very apparent, the whole concept of the flat earth sun is utter nonsense.
This would require removing head from arse first.
That's why Nathan Jokely will instantly dismiss it as impossible.
@@KeplersDream yep, AND insult your intelligence!
@@walrusahoy5878 It would also require maths skills beyond the level of a primary school child, and we all know that flerfs only have a primary school education AT BEST.
@@JROD082384 Primary meaning kindergarten?
Greetings from Sydney, Australia; a place that flerfs assert should STILL BE ABLE TO SEE POLARIS.
Can confirm, NOPE.
A flerf told me it's because our eyes can only see 3 miles. I told him he just proved the moon landings and... that we can just take a plane there. LOL
Well according to them, you and Australia doesn’t exist. All of you are millions upon millions of paid actors. Somehow some psycho paying that… 😂
I just subscribed to you for your systematic and rational way you pick apart the emotive arguments of these flat earthers. I find science to be related to evidence rather than emotion. That is a basic premise that debunks these people out of the gate.
CZcams is an amazing place. There are troll channels and there are channels for debunking trolls. Win-win situation.
Arguing with a flat earther is like playing chess against a pigeon. The pigeon will knock the pieces over, shit on the board, declare itself the winner and fly away.
Alternatively; It will flap around for a while making a lot of noise, make no attempts to play the game in a logical way, shit itself, then fly off thinking it's won despite its opponent ripping its strategy apart and putting it in checkmate in 10 different ways.
I now feel bad for the pigeon, being being put on par with Nathan.... that pigeon must feel insulted.
.. .handball against the drapes
Nathan is so desperate to get a win (over science itself) that he will literally say anything. No thinking required. His constant anger shows just how fucked up he is.
If a pigeon is able to somehow communicate with humans well enough to declare itself the winner, I say let it have the win.
"Dave Triangle McKeegan, because I always get to the point" Even when flerfs try to roast normal people, they prove their delusions wrong.
Another great video, thank you Dave!
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
@@MrCheswickMusic Any sign of you learning to not suck at music?
@@newsystembad 🤣
@@MrCheswickMusic Any sign of you passing kindergarten yet?
@@MrCheswickMusic All water is "Bendy". Haven't you ever seen water?
I appreciate your willingness to discuss this without hurling inaults. A far better way to getting people to the table.
I like the flat earthers because they remind me that I am not the dumbest person alive
For the same reason I like boyden and cumila.
@@Globeishoax Look, the dishonest asinine strikes again!
Oakley's Law: The less empirical evidence a flat earther has for an argument, the louder it will be shouted.
... and the larger the word salad.
>whispers< "Water finds its level."
@@rabbitcreative yes, and flat and level are two different things. Ergo the situation with two theodolites, set both of them up to be level relative to where they are on the surface and their horizontal planes will not line up to make a flat plane. Or if you want to think about it another way, have two spirit bubbles set up a km apart and have a laser on top of them pointing at the other they won't be aimed directly at each other, despite being based entirely off water finding its level. Because they're level with whatever the tangent plane of the curved surface at that point is.
@@asneakychicken322 I whispered and you created a word-salad.
> they're level with whatever the tangent plane of the curved surface at that point is
I'm familiar with this 'definition' of "level". Show, don't tell. Show me an experiment wherein a person demonstrates a body of water adheres to the exterior of a surface.
Also, you might want to read _Science and Sanity (1933)_ to cure you of your fetishism for 'definitions'. Cheers.
Lol you have no empirical evidence for a globe. You proberbly don't know what empirical evidence is.
Meanwhile Triangles Dave proves a flat Earth is required to measure an elevation angle 😂
“Calculating meters to kilometers”. Lmao!
Is that your best shot? seriously?
oldie but goodie
@@yupok318 Well, not the best shot but it shows that Nathan fails at the most fundamental calculations. The fun part about this is that Nathan said he doesn't know how to convert meters into kilometers. Fair enough. So he was correctly told that you have to divide by a 1000. Here he responded that we are crazy to believe that when you have something "small" like "a meter" that you have to divide it by 1000 to get "something big" like a kilometer. It just shows he has absolutely no idea about what a unit is. He can't even understand his own conceptional mistake. Since he fails at this level of understanding, you can't expect him to understand anything even slightly more complex.
Maybe he just had a brain fart at that day and didn't want to admit his mistake. But that doesn't really show any honesty.
@@yupok318 it’s by far the funniest example at exposing what a fecking moron he is.
That's the math I AM capable of!
Nathan Oakley debate in a nutshell plays video for 2-5sec goes on a rude disrespectful rant for 10-15min rinse and repeat.
I was just watching this video, my daughter was watching over my shoulder and asked me 'dad, if the Earth was flat. Wouldn't the edge be a major tourist attraction?' If I was a flat-earther I would have a lot of trouble arguing that one.
Your daughters a genius. Protect her brain at all costs
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
@@bill_the_butcher Funny how the wisdom of old often provides more useful advice than the equivalent from modern day, isn't it?
@@bill_the_butcher Use a razor on your wife's armpits & legs then seeing as you love them that much
like the moon landing and evolution
@@yupok318🖕🏻🫵🏻
First of all, great video Dave.
Now then;
I am a Professional Merchant Navy Captain, and active with doing Celestial Navigation. For work and hobby. So hearing Oakley say "Dunning-Kruger much" is really funny to hear. In all the discussions I had with Oakley and his minions, they claimed to know more about celestial navigation than a professional like me.
After I said that they never did CelNav, and I do. They claimed that I was lying. Even though I showed the method twice on youtube already. Once in a debunking video of myself, and once in a live show of MCToon.
I am currently making a CelNav video calculating all with the Nautical tables and Almanac. No calculator or calculating programs will be used. But it will take some time because it is very busy at work for the moment, and the times off at home are very short this period.
Looking forward to more good videos of yours, and hope I have time soon to finish up mine.
You are over thinking. If flatards say that you need a flat baseline then the obvious conclusion is that celestial navigation can't work at sea due to waves not being flat. Use their memes against them.
@@awatt My simple answer to Oakley is always that you can't see the main starts and have a crisp horizon without a nautical twilight. Or in other words, the sun going down behind the curve.
There is no point in discussing this with a Flerfer. They believe the sextant is the Devil's tool, designed by NASA in the 1700s to provide incorrect information that would prevent us from knowing the Earth is flat. Its all part of the Conspiracy.
@@TinyCaptainSailingTheGlobe if you don't mind, could you shine a bit of light on something that confused me at 21:19 : why 7/6ths tho? 🤔
@@ecardecardian7839put that exact question into Google mate!
9:47 With Nathan's thinking, nobody would be able to build a house with a level floor on the side of a hill.
Not only informative, but damn entertaining too. Well done that man. Top marks.
The only thing bigger than your genius at explaining things in very simple terms...is your endless patience with these people spouting nonsense. Hats off to you, sir!
They are walking free content generators to Dave, what's not to love?
What a glorious time it was when the Internet was strictly for nerds who were smart enough to boot up a computer and people like Nathan were still watching rubbish daytime telly in their underwear before they decided to get all pseudo-intellectual and try to figure out the secret to everything and take one wrong turn after another in the process. Ah well, those days will never come back.
Agreed! It's important to show patience and understanding because a lot of people who are unsure or in the process of being convinced one way or the other will absorb the information much more easily.
I love how the moment they encounter something they cannot respond to they start spouting random nonsense 😂😂😂😂
Flat earth bible.
(In no particular order)
1. Your being lied to
2. Sheeple
3.Nasa, world trade center 7, holocaust.
4. Water needs a container.
5. How do u know its round , have u seen it.
6. Photoshop, cgi, digital painting.
7. Well nasa own all the equipment that u measure with.
8. Ive been studying this for years
9. Why you arguing with me are you stupid
10. Why dont pilots constantly dip the nose of the plane to stop it from flying off into space.
"And the Table being FLAT gives us a PERFECTLY Straight baseline for 90 degree ANGLES down to the Ground Position on the FLAT EARTH TABLE." -- Dave Globe Twiangles McKeegan
🤣😂🤣
@@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217yea mocking someone definitely gets your point across even though he is right, its basic geometry
@@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Small table; big planet. I know, it's really difficult for you to comprehend. Unfortunately, your laughing emojis don't constitute any sort of argument.
@@robin_holden and nothing you say will ever make the Earth a spinning T-cup ride, and yes we navigate the Earth as Flat because it is Flat. And yes all of the measurements and calculations in the Star Almanac are for a Flat Earth, they are in fact all Flat distance straight line length measurements, you cannot step out on the surface of a Ball.
Of course there would be different amounts of Forces acting on everyone every 12hours (see physics of T-cup ride at the carnival....it matters if you are on the outside of the turn, being spun WITH the direction of going around in ovals or circles......verses being on the side of the Ball spinning you AGAINST the direction of momentum and on the inside of the turn feeling a lot LESS FORCE..).................so yeah if you guys keep pretending your Narnia Globe is real......you need to be held accountable for the Physics of it..............or just shut up about it alltogether. Real simple. Excuses won't help.
Like how cool and calm you are when you are trying to talk sense to the flat earthers. It is like hitting your head against a wall, but you are still trying your best. I respect you for always explaining and backing up your comments and never become personal or aggressiv - it shows you know what you are talking about. More people should be like you on you tube. Love your channel. Thank you.
I just found you and am only 3 1/2 vids in, but I'm already coming to love your ad segues. "...while I talk about Squares...pace" 😂
Also: good, good dog!
The biggest problem with linking to Nathan Oakleys channel, is that most of his videos are hidden behind a pay wall. No way in hell would I subscribe to hear the rantings of a mad man
He is only in it for the money.
It seems incredible that there are people who pay for that.
@@grahvis And yet he's still poor. ; )
It's hilarious when you directly compare the numbers too.
Nathan - 4.8k videos (wow!), 25k subscribers, average views per video seems to be about 1k, with most only getting a few hundred and the odd 1 or 2 breaking a few K.
Dave - 412 videos, 67.2k subscribers, average views per video around 100k, minimum per is 50k and some getting as many as 500k. And that's just Daves anti-flerf stuff, most of his photography related stuff gets far fewer hits.
So with twice the subscribers and 1/10th the videos Dave manages to still get 50-100 times more views. Nathan maybe needs to learn that quantity does not equate to quality. Maybe if he put more time into making better stuff he'd get more attention?
@Hawk of Battle ah but better stuff would be globe related
I don't follow any flat-earther accounts (for obvoius reasons), but, for debunking videos like his and sci-man Dan and similar, there's always a few things on FEs videos that get my attention: 1. They are always streaming, 2. They are always angry, 3. They always try to ridicule someone and lastly 4. They are always wrong.
You can draw your conclusions from those points.
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
Classic charlatans. They _know_ if they admit it's round, they lose their audience, donations, etc - and have to get a job.
@@MrCheswickMusic what?
@@Mat_Sedano Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
@@MrCheswickMusic If I say what again, will you repeat that phrase again?
I wish the nursing staff at the hospital would take Nathans internet privileges away.
I would love to see how they explain why the Southern hemisphere can't see the north star, and why the North hemisphere can't see the Southern cross. And how it is different at other spots on the map.
Thanks Dave for your patience and calmness with these morons. One advantage of watching you (and presumably giving you a tiny bit of money) is that I can observe their BS without giving them a cent and at the same time remember that the majority of us still remain sane.
And bud, we can listen to someone who actually gives multiple scientific examples when moronic flat earthers that seem to day every single scientific paper or research is somehow wrong and they are right without proof
@@thatgamingprotogen7043"well I said so, must be true" - flat earthers
@@fuery. ah yes, vicious mockery of delinquents
Holy shit, Nathan is so insecure. Who in their right mind would use "channel that no one subscribes to" as an insult...twice in a row, especially for a channel that's been growing and has been getting great feedback. Thanks, Nathan, for reminding me to subscribe to Dave's channel. Cheers.
I do have to admit, that is unintentionally ostrich slander. Ostriches are extremely observant, intelligent, precise, fast, brave, and don't shove their heads into the sand, but instead are willing to destroy someone who they feel threatened by...and actually succeed. Unlike Nathan.
Dave's jumped on the Flat Earth 'debunking' bandwagon now cos he doesn't have the talent to make it in the photography game
@@MrCheswickMusic
Cope harder flerf.
@@MrCheswickMusic Comments from the failed musician....
Didn't he also complain about Dave stealing his views?
"Nobody watches your channel, and nobody should be watching mine!"
-accidentally correct-
@@tysondog843too bad I couldn't give more than 1 like for that
2:12 When I was younger I had a bit of a fascination with star constellations. It was a little disheartening to find that, growing up in Australia, I had never (and still haven't to this day) seen Polaris.
The video later brings up the issue of how we get our longitude measurements down here (and the issue of where "south" is), but what I want is to see a flat earther try to explain how Polaris and the Southern Cross (and all the equatorial constellations) appear in geometric space. For Polaris it's easy to "explain" how it can be north for everyone, just put it in the middle. Not sure how that stops us Aussies from seeing it, probably something something refraction (Also doesn't that invalidate their Mercator projection maps? If all longitude lines are parallel like in Mercator, how can they all point to a single north star?)
So then how, for the countries that can see it, is the Southern Cross always (roughly) south? The only way to consistently explain it is if a single, fixed-point South Pole also exists to mirror a single, fixed-point North Pole. So where is that? How do you create two points above a surface where
- One of them is only visible from half of the earth,
- The other only from the other half,
- Longitude lines always run through both points ("north" and "south" have consistent meaning everywhere on earth, and will always point to/from Polaris or somewhere near the Southern Cross),
- And have a bunch of equatorial constellations also being visible from BOTH halves?
A globe, that's how. Either that, or all Aussies (not to mention South Americans and most Africans) are in on the conspiracy, to the point that we put the fake Cross on our flag just to mess with you all.
Polaris is okay, but it looks like any other star. It's nice for us Norther Hemispherians to have such a convenient marker close to the Northern Celestial Pole, but you're not missing much.
I've seen the Southern Cross from Hilo and the Ngorongoro Crater. But I've never seen kangaroos in the wild.
Cheers from sunny Vienna, Scott
“The earth is flat because it is” is a better argument that whatever the hell he said
It's actually possible to win a debate on Nathan's channel. If he gives you one second to talk, say "where's your map". If he gives you two seconds, say "draw flat land on flat paper"
Problem is, that Jokely NEVER give one second...
Learn reality czcams.com/video/Nb8ywfK_8IY/video.html
I would also like to ask him "what's underneath"?
@@thierrylestranger2795 There's no point. All he has to say is "we don't know and neither do you". There's no gotcha that can be applied to Noakley because finding gaps in logic is like trying to find a leaky faucet in a forest, it's just totally irrelevant because the arguments are not based in logic, they're an emotional appeal to attract followers to a cult of personality. That's the only thing there is to engage with here. Pretending there's some valid scientific solution is completely missing the point, it's not a discussion about science, it's a discussion about megalomania.
@@kylezo Except with seismology, we actually do know. He won't accept that, but it's just one more piece of evidence against FE (as if more were needed).
Nathan can't-turn-meters-into-kilometers Oakley
Yeah well, if only he could remember how many shillings there are in an inch.
@@robnunya572 What about unicorn poop to flerf greymatter?
Ill never understand why flat earthers need to prove they are right so much. . It will get them no where
He gets angry because he knows he’s wrong.
No, he gets angry because he knows that we know he's wrong.
Oakley is so angry and bitter all the time. His life outside of his discord bubble must be awful. He needs to find some peace in his life as being an angry person all the time is no way to go through life.
can you imagine "his private life".. correction "being part of his private life"
Internal monologue for Oakley: "No, No I really am smarter than all the scientists and mathematicians on Earth and I know all about the airline conspiracies. I'm not just one of the louder of the internet buffoons who know nothing, that would shatter my fragile ego. So, the only logical conclusion must be that I'm right despite all the evidence proving me wrong and that people who believe in factual observations and rational theories perfectly explaining those observations in forever accurate detail must be a bunch of buffoons, not me."
@askthepizzaguy This, but you need to remove the more coherent arguments, and the punctuation.
@@robnunya572 Oakley is headed for an early grave via cardiac or blood pressure problems. I say he carries right on as he is doing.
It's not that Nathan Oakley actually believes that the Earth is Flat. He knows the Earth is a globe, and understands a lot of the evidence and reasoning.
Instead, it's more like when an E-mail scam deliberately includes bad English. It's a test to see if a potential mark is willing to ignore a clue that they are being scammed.
By preying on people who believe that the Earth is flat, he assures himself that his marks are immune to evidence, logic, and critical thinking, and so will never figure out that they are being scammed.
Dave just to let you know that in my opinion your debunking videos are by far the best. You analyse the arguments and give a considered explanation. In addition you don't cut in every few seconds. Ok actually I like the dog.
Oooh, SciFiDan isn't going to like that, what about the loss of revenue this could cause, looks like the globies have a problem now ha ha
The arguments are all well and good…but doggo.
@@MrCheswickMusic Thanks for posting comments on both, this helps with views and gives both channels more Ad revenue. Good work, keep it up👍
@@tysondog843 Isn't it weird how everyone else has been censored on CZcams now and all you kind find is bullshit content like this that promotes the latest narrative?
@@MrCheswickMusic No. Not everyone else has been censored, you're lying. And this content isn't promoting "the latest thing", it's correcting false claims by giving tested, measured Facts in response. Why are you lying?
It makes ma laugh how entitled they are and how quick they will call you stupid, ignorant and whatnot, isn’t it ironic?
im too bad at math to understand most of this on the first watch. but im okay with that because the doggo in this video is a delight and you should be petting them more lol
All geometry aside, where is the tourism industry to go look over the edge that would be there if the Earth was flat?
Obviously that is only for the super wealthy. Why do you think they all have private planes and mega yachts?
Yeah they think that us being on a flat/mega-earth means that the people in charge are gonna try to sequester us in the limited earth space instead of making giant tourism trips or sending us out to mine materials beyond the ice wall.
Man, 30 minutes of glorious flerf arguments. Thanks Dave!
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
@Mr Cheswick Give it up lad. Your fantasy frisbeeland is as dead as a salmon on barbecue.
It's over... You're embarrassing yourself.
@@MrCheswickMusic Yes, M.A.G.E.2 and Ring laser gyroscopes.
@@MrCheswickMusic See, this is where actually thinking and knowing things is pretty useful Mr. Flerf. But I know how hard that is for flat earthers. Also, rotation isn’t measured in mph.
@@MrCheswickMusic "Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?"
No, since oceans are not "bendy" and don't "spin at 1000mph".
I fully understand the words you are using but I am not sure you do. Why do you think "oceans spin at 1000 mph?" How did you determine that?
Just found your channel. Love the dog vibes consistent across the channel, great creative choice
This was a brilliant video and really informative, I was someone who always questioned everything but your evidence is excellent.
Dave! Leaving you a like & comment, even though I can't bring myself to watch, knowing I'm going to have to listen to who you're featuring. You're a braver more patient individual than me! Keep up the good work!
Edited update: Thanks for your replies Dave! I did watch it & you did a great job of keeping the amount viewers have to listen to/endure, to a tolerable minimum. Great video & no gaffer tape or wireless headphones needed! 😂Good work! 🙂
I can assure you I've kept the amount you have to listen to to an absolute minimum 😊
@@DaveMcKeegan That's a massive relief to us all!
@@DaveMcKeegan Thanks Dave! I may give it a go, but I'm not sure I'll be able to resist the urge to put my head through my computer screen, or shout, rant & swear! Wish me luck! 🙂
@@padders1068 I speak from experience that wireless headphones and gaffer tape can help 😂
But I believe the perseverance will be worth it 😉
@@DaveMcKeegan You have my undying gratitude.
"We can't find the height of the sun."
Good old Nathan.
great video. i love how calm dave is
oh the old flat earth argument. "I'm wrong, therefore proof of flat earth"
i gotta say i love your videos, debunking theories about the moon landing! so many people deny the hard work of millions (taxpayers) it took to get neil and buzz to the moon. its actually really sad :( thinking the earth is flat is just funny, it reminds me how stupid some people are.
I often find it funny as well, but sometimes it’ll just hit me, the thought that these people vote & then I don’t find it all that funny any more..😞
I can never understand why people would rather claim we never did rather than actually thinking - jeez we did that, how fantastic can mankind really be ..
@@quicksesh Admitting we went to the moon, would instantly forfit flat earth. Flat earth is only "working" with the sun and moon being local and space not existing. When you think like that, things like "pride in achievement" don't mean anything anymore...
@@quicksesh I don’t personally have emotional investment of it happening or not, but rather I care about what is true. Moon landings are true thus I am somewhat forced to argue for it when challenged. I hate lies and liars.
As Dr. Neil deGrass Tyson said:
"The work you need to fake all of the things that need to be done for a moon landing and letting everyone believe in it would be so high, you could just really send someone to the moon. 😅
If you could Reason with Flat Earthers, they wouldn't be Flat Earthers.
Hey Dave im just getting into this flat earth debunking stuff and i love your videos. found you after watching a few of scimandan vids both of you are great content creators keep up the good work.
Nice one! Great break up that final climb, agree with your assessment, not much draft to go around
Nathan threatening a pilot for being a pilot is hilarious.
The pilot is literally just accounting for the curvature of the Earth, and that is enough to make Nathan pissed of, and calling him "Dangerous" because of it.
I can't imagine what kind of mental impact it would have on Nathan if he realized EVERY SINGLE PILOT IN EXISTANCE use the exact same methods when flying.
Like, if the Earth was flat, then it'd basically mean all the pilots in existence would have crashed their planes and be dead upon first flight. Wonder why that isn't the case then, Nathan? XD
I'm truly bewildered by that; how is the pilot dangerous? What danger is the pilot at risk of creating? That the globe is real? A thing people have accepted and accounted for hundreds of years? What terrible precedent is the pilot creating in this hypothetical scenario?
As a surveyor, Yes, flerfs hate or ignore me.
Well Bev likes to pretend he’s one. He shows he’s not every time he opens his mouth.
Any sign of them bendy Oceans spinning @ 1000mph yet Mr Einstein?
@@MrCheswickMusic
Look inside Ship Model Basins which are full of bendy water
Globe confirmed 💯🌎
@@MrCheswickMusic Things don't spin in miles per hour.
@@MrCheswickMusic and you just proved the point of this thread. Good job :)
"like converting meters to kilometers" - I cracked tf up
It's mad, completely and utterly mad that people get maths / science SO wrong, that they think the earth is flat. Blows my mind.