Mirages Vs Earth curve - Flat Earther talks a lot of hot air
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Thanks, Dave, for having me on this one. It was a pleasure to work on it!
Great job guys.
Well done and easy to understand.
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Dave still looking for a certificate signed off by an astronaut in space the ISS was assembled, repaired, maintained, and operates to a safety standard.
30 years of space walks and no certificate sign by astronauts on the ISS, in which they can provide to another space agency as assurance the ISS is operating safely.
@Ole you are doing brililant work!
Flerfs got 99 problems and reality is every one of them.
And probably because of those 99, the one that shouldn’t be is, in all likelihood, one also. Doesn’t have the same flow though.
True Earthers got the facts globers got pseudoscience and scientism.😢
@@thejollyman Funny how you all keep those 'facts' to yourselves and never present them, to the point of not sharing them so you constantly contradict each other. And then run away.
Nothing says "running out of proof" like pretending PBS has deleted the entire episode from the internet when it hasnt
Every time I hear someone claim that something was deleted from the internet, I think of the Streisand effect
Pretty much shows that it's a cult: "They removed it from the internet, but you must not go look for yourself. If you do you are clearly not part of our group and will be shunned."
not even possible to delete something from the internet, someone, somewhere, has already made copies and records of it
@@warmwater9509that's what i also thought, you can't delete something from the internet without like deleting everyone's device memory or memory in general
@@warmwater9509 that's only true for when something has gained attention, nobody's going to download absolutely everything they see (plus they have to see it before it's removed), but people generally only care to remove things once they've gained attention, in this situation it's a documentary by a very popular person (Stephen Hawking) on a large platform (PBS) so even without PBS advertising it it would have gained attention very quickly and I'm certain PBS would have advertised it.
for example if a nobody like me posted something then deleted it the next day it would be incredibly unlikely that anybody would have downloaded it while it was up, but equally as unlikely that people would know it existed, whereas if dave uploaded something almost every falt earther on the globe would have it screenshotted or downloaded within a few hours of it being posted
"It obviously seems flat, so it must be flat" and also
"It obviously seems to disappear behind a curve, so that must be a very complex combination of refraction, mirages and perspective, that I have no idea how to work out."
Yeah, flat Earther's are a special bunch, for sure.
So-called ancient flat-Earthers thought the Earth was flat because it sure looked flat. They also thought that it was relatively small, and that the sun, moon and stars circled above it. Sunset and sunrise, for instance, were interpreted as the sun actually going from behind the Earth to above it, just like it looks like.
This model (and it _is_ a model, a real one) works pretty well as an approximation. If you never travel very far, or can't be bothered to invent geometry/astronomy from the ground up (and most people were far too busy farming to do any of that), it works. It works for reasons that make perfect sense in today's world where we know more. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was wrong, but approximately right.
Modern flat-Earther's have absolutely no excuse. The same simple logic that made ancient people think the Earth was flat and small, simply must be interpreted nowadays that the Earth is very big, but we can only see a small bit of it. There's just no way to fit the entire world shown on maps (large parts of which I have driven across in a car) in to a single person's view, at least as long as they are on anything that could be called the surface (low-Earth orbit is different but much harder). Combine this with the fact that the sun rises and sets everywhere I have ever been (Utah, California, Boston, Mexico City, Germany), in basically the same way, but offset by a few hours, pretty much finishes the whole argument. All the other copious, copious evidence is just gravy at that point.
Flat-Earthers have to invent complete nonsense to keep all the evidence in line in our much larger world. It's a true form of insanity.
@@jameshart2622truth. And look at how many of them support cutting school funding... they want us to go back to being as ignorant as we were back then.
@@jameshart2622i agree. My flat earth pal shared the meme about how 90% of he population sees daylight at one time on a specific day of he year. He calls bullshit on it, but I asked him to have his friends and family go to various places around the world on that very day and everyone do a conference video call recording what they see. I mean, to u and me this seems self evident. To him...he just can't believe light would light up 90% OF THE WORLD! 😂
He thinks on a ball there is no way for 90% of it to be covered in light...which it doesn't. 90% of the population of earth can see daylight. Arguing with these folks drives me completely mad sometimes.
The worse part is the fact I don't care what people believe...it's the fact they are trying to teach others wrong info. I seen a video of this 10 or 12 year old girl explaining flat earth and she was so confident in her explanations that I could see others actually listening to this nonsense. U take someone who has compelling speech and they can make u think the sky is falling. And that is the scary part.
When Enoch was taken up by the angle he here up to the firmament and he said the earth were like a flat disc people read the Bible and u will know the earth is flat and why every country sees the North Stars God put those 7-8 stars together as a compass to guide us to North
@@java2894 Please point out the north stars in the sky of Antarctica, the southern most tip of Argentina, the southernmost point of Australia, or the southernmost point of Africa.
I see Flatzoid has said he is not responding to any of your videos now. The translation of that is he cannot de bunk any of you material because you are really thorough in your videos he can’t spin any lies. Well done Dave.
...another reason Flatzoid should be called Failzoid. 😂
I bet that everpresent confused smirk of his is still in place though.
Was that the guy with the girl and the church where the mountain disappeared? I've been waiting for the rebuttal to Dave's 16 images, where the mountain should have "disappeared" from using a higher magnification, but nothing from them yet....😂
Man that flatzoid guy is very committed to his thinking. He is very wrong about so much yet he has people convinced. So sad.
Flat earthers really don't like their feet held to the fire. They need them to run away on.
Usually when people start name calling, you know they have nothing factual to defend their position.
It's like chem warfare. It's toxic, and only occurs when you're desperate.
Or you realize, they aren't ignorant, they are WILLFULLY ignorant. We've shown enough patience with Flerfs, and did everything we could to disabuse them of their faulty reasonings, logic and information. But they just blindly regurgitate meaningless talking points.
So, I have no issue with name calling people that CHOSE to be deceived.
@thorfinnmckenzie Nah! I'll name call flerfs, apollo deniers, creatards, anti-vaxx nutbars... AND HAVE all the supporting info too! Most of what any of these numpties say is pure lies and the rest is deliberate denialism.
@@cryptojihadi265 Three types of flerfs; grifters, willfully and more importantly, *proudly* ignorant, and mental illness. We mock the first two and pity the last.
They're so mad and so mean and smug and rude. I can't even imagine saying the stuff they say
Wow, the flerf poisoned the well and displayed hypocrisy. I’m shocked. 😐
the bloated flerf corpse we threw down the well might be the problem
You gotta lie to flerf.
I love how calmly you deliver your -- clearly researched -- information and how funny it is to see contrast against flat earthers slandering and accusing and citing sketchy sources. Keep up the great work!
Imagine being able to visually see some of the other planets and then thinking ours is not a planet. Imagine ignoring Newton, Galileo, Hawking and your eyes to then claim your right and they are wrong. Hubris doesn’t even begin to cover this kind of level of ignorance and arrogance. They are next level idiocy. 😂😂😂
@tonib5899 The weirder part is not just disagreeing with Newton, Galileo, and others but is believing that the whole world conspired to fool people into believing that Earth is spherical like other planets. I can at least understand some people who claim that Einstein was wrong and that the modern physical theories are not fully right. It usually comes from the people not understanding the theories to begin with. However, to believe that everyone conspired to lie about the most basic fact about Earth is what I find crazy.
@@Igor-ug1uo Yes the conspiracy part is weird and also pretty disturbing to try to get others to also participate in a bonkers conspiracy.
Even dog is calm and accept what he is saying.
@@Igor-ug1uobecause they are not right. However. They are as close as we can get. You can calculate it yourself. With the flat earth theory, it is just a theory. Full of errors. You can disprove everything they are saying. Science.
99.998% of flerfs know it's a sham
I was just thinking, if the Earth were truly flat, why did the radars I worked on in the Navy have a max range? Why couldn't we just crank up more power and get longer range? Why did the Navy develop aircraft mounted radar platforms to extend the coverage around a battle group?
If the Earth were flat, couldn't a carrier sitting in the middle of the Atlantic be able to get targets 1000 miles away? But, the reality is the range max's out in the 100's of miles. Even for aircraft platforms.
Because....the Earth curves away from them. More power would just send the beam on out into space. Even with the refraction that does actually exist.
Speaking of refraction, I had issues when we were in the IO with "weather guessers" supposedly calling out what kind of range my air search radar should be getting, based on air conditions, layers, etc. I recall being asked once why my radar wasn't getting targets at that range. To which I asked, "Are we flying anything?" "No.", they replied. To which I said, "Then, what do you expect to see?"
I think Dave did a video on this a while ago
Also, why would the radar antenna(or whatever it's called) need to be so high up, making the ship easier to spot?
@@adoramay9410 That even applies to crow's nest from the age of sailing
They spend so much time looking for a curve they never thought of trying to shine a high powered laser from California to Hawaii. I thought they were smarter than us!
You don't even have to - the stars are already do it. If the Earth were flat, the same star field would be visible from every point on the earth. Someone would have noticed by now if the North Star was visible from Buenos Aires
@@ctseanstop, stars make flerfs anxious, they'll claim the atmoSPHERE distorts the light, that's why you can't see it, it's not because the earth is curved, no, no, it's flat, every phenomenon is explained that way 😂
@@lXlDarKSuoLlXl it is “funny” that everything that is easily explained by a globe Earth is actually an optical illusion of some sort. Like the fact that there would be no visible horizon at all on a flat earth unless you were close-ish to the edge - so the “perceived” hard edge we see must be an illusion
@@ctsean yeah, everything is an illusion, except their evidence, that's real, stop cherry picking 🤣
You should even be able to see Mt Everest from Kilimanjaro with a strong enough telescope. As there should be no Mountain high enough between the two peaks.
The picture of Blackpool tower in the distance is CLEARLY taken from a high location. The wind turbines in it are below the camera! Yet they want to say it wasn’t?
LOL
Yea i was going to say a similar thing, you can quite clearly see the top of the generator housing (im not sure what the correct term would be). Im saying some because the others are a bit too blurry to really distinguish whether it is the top or something else. This means that the observer has to be higher than the generator
@@robinboonstra107 not just that.
The ones in the foreground are LOWER than the ones further away so clearly we are above them.
gotta lie to flerf.
These mirages on their alleged flat earth ,do some absolutely remarkable things, which fit these nutters claims to a T ,if one was sceptical you might think they were been economical with the truth, can't be possible with honest flerfs can it 😁😎
@@andyireland1856honest flerfs? that's an oxymoron. gotta lie to flerf. if a flerf stops lying to himself, he won't be a flerf for long.
I can hear the flerfs whining already. The distant sounds of 'nuh uh' are getting louder.
Exactly. How can you argue with someone who is figuratively sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "La la la la?"
It's a common symptom of Flat Brain Syndrome.
@@ludwigvanbubthoven5692you can't. Because their fingers have turned their earwax into Constantinople's ridiculously strong walls.
Rusty: "Give. Me. Your. Hand."
I love how demanding Rusty can be :D
"SHOW ME THE MAP" !! ... four simple words flat earthers HATE !!
A Flat Earther would probably argue that there are FIVE words in 'Show me the map'. 🤭
@@EleanorPeterson Obviously it's a secret message from globalist satanists, the first letters of "Show Me The Map" are SMTM just like "Satan Must Teach Me", this proves Earth is flat beyond any doubt. 😏😏
They have a map. I'm surprised you haven't seen it. It's a disk with the north pole in the center and an ice wall in Antarctica surrounding the edge.
Since most people live in the northern hemisphere it works reasonably well for them. But it distorts the southern hemisphere drastically. Things are much farther apart than they actually are. The map corrects for this by using conical or other projections for the land masses and letting the oceans absorb all the extra space.
The antarctic shoreline is much larger than actuality but then only scientists who are spherical Earth conspiracy "nuts" ever go there. It also helps that there isn't a lot of far south airline traffic requiring explanations of how much faster airplanes travel over southern oceans.
yes, im aware of this ... i meant a REAL map
The AE map is more accurate than the globe, what you really mean to say is “show me a map I like”.
Great job, Dave. Leave these liars and bad faith flat earthers nowhere to run.
Well no, Dave can't actually do that. There's always new levels of dishonesty and censorship to run away to...
@@noneofyourbusiness7055 Reminds me of the quote "Two things are infinite, as far as we know - the universe and human stupidity." to which Einstein supposedly countered that the universe is limited.
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I can give you some context to second laser test, it was done by flerfers in Hungary on Lake Balaton by Sándor Szemendri and his companions (flerfers as well) and it turned out they tampered with evidence, moved the laser mid-test. So #gottalietoflerf everyone, cheers from Hungary! 👋🏼
Inconceivable.
Szerbusz, Australiábol!
flerfers cheating WOW
I was suprised when i suddenly understood them, too bad we also have flerfers over here 😅
I think you may be my namesake (Kovacs approximates to "Smith"). Sorry to hear you have flerfs there too.
Thanks flat earthers for providing Dave a chance to teach us cool science
usually or often, but is this the case? there's hardly anything new in this video. why even respond to a pointless movie length video by some unpleasant moron? what's the point? wasting everybody's time?
I literally have pictures from driving up to Bonneville that show cars and RVs magically appearing over the horizon as I got closer.
Nothing explains that better than a curved surface (even in a place that is just miles of flat).
Same thing looking across Lake Ontario. From the south shore, we can see the upper skyline of Toronto, but not the shoreline, lower buildings, or the island complex south of the city. And yes, flerfs, this is across 70 km of dead calm water ...
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Very occasionally refraction might be enough that you can see it, and those are the days flerfs choose for images.
@@DavidSmith-vr1nb The Toronto shoreline is always below the local horizon when seen from the south shore some 70 km distant.
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The Mirages at Bonneville were wild when I was there. What a cool place.
Why don’t the smoke stacks disappear into the superstructure as ships get further away? Why don’t the decks of cruise liners disappear into the hull as they get further away? This compression business is highly selective.
Nah. It's bottom up. As opposed to top down...
/me sighs
Im sorry theyre upset with Dave for *checks notes* petting his dog? Lmao
These are the same type of people who will accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being abusers. It’s no surprise that there’s significant overlap between flat earth and Qanon nonsense.
They just cant get anyone to hold them like that dog
yup. It's really funny watching them in the past few video's ocmments sections. They're clearly unable to refute his stuff so they're trying to make him out as some kind of animal abuser.
@@prosandcons-fl2ccWell, their mom may hug them, when they come out of their basement.
There is nothing random about human behavior, thus no one becomes a flat earther by chance alone. For those who hold these beliefs, the favorable conditions for their acceptance already existed before flat-earth ideas were ever encountered. The fractured psyche is a playground for Flat Earth ideas, a counter-factual world where they are not sick, everyone else is....in other words, Nathan Thompson.
As always "you've got to lie to flerf."
Sometimes the flerf is just lying to other flat-earthers.
Sometimes they're just lying to themselves.
Often they seem to be doing both.
13:45 I remember making this point to a flerf in the comments recently, when they objected that no one had taken a picture of the curve from a high-altitude balloon without using a fisheye lens.
It doesn't matter what type of lens is used, a weather balloon 40km high taking pictures showing a horizon below its own eye level is proof of curvature. A high-altitude weather balloon on a flat earth would still see much farther, with a horizon matching its eye level.
Look up MAGE.Kills that one
Those things swing around too much to know exactly where "eye level" should be. You could place a fluid level somewhere in frame but the flerfs would call it "fake", as they do with every measuring device.
@@DavidSmith-vr1nb They don't swing around so violently at higher altitudes. But I agree with your observation.
Dave, I'm pretty sure that if you were to sprinkle these flerfer arguments on your garden, you'd get some prize-winning roses this year.
Laughing at flerfs is such a guilty pleasure, I honestly feel a little bad about it.
Don't feel bad. They trumpet their views, sneering and snarling most of the time, and acting like *they* occupy the position of authority. They deserve whatever ridicule they get.
@@AttilatheNun-xv6kc🤭
I have the same feeling! What helps me is the idea of "hate the sin, not the sinner" (not religious at all btw). Even better if you can replace "hate" with "calmly refuse to accept". So as long as laughing at flerf theories doesn't spill into actually hating people and making them miserable, it's probably OK.
Dave can stay calm because he has objective truths on his side and centuries of proven science to back up his claim at EVERY turn. *We must keep having dialogue though. It will shut itself down and Flat Earth ideals will go away again soon until somebody figures out in the future that they can make some money by making conspiracy claims that NASA is out to get them. :(
Well done! Absolutely Spectacular! You totally owned and annihilated both Taboo and DST at their own game of gaslighting & projections, only you had demonstrated how you didn't even need to resort to their vile and desperate tactics, all you and Ben had to do is to present the undeniably verifiable, emperical and rigorously mathematical facts of our beautiful 🌎 globe reality to prove your point! Blessings & keep up the good work! ✊️😎
that laser refraction demonstration at the end was very cool.
Yeah. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't know it was even possible to show so much refraction in such a small space.
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Bad globie! Using simplified diagrams that aren't to scale.
Flerfs would _never_ do such a thing, especially when arguing that an airplane pilot would keep having to push the nose of the aircraft down to avoid flying out into space. THAT diagram they always use is _totally_ to scale.
*Globeretard
Pilots *would* have to dip the nose of their plane *if* there was whatever curve you claim there is, to stay at the same altitude.
In fact, a planes nose is lifted not dipped.
@@PWEIcom Do you think that little micro-adjustments _aren't_ being made during a flight, to maintain a constant altitude, seeing that gravity is constantly pulling against the airplane? Yes, I'm sure the nose is frequently slightly upward. GRAVITY!
That argument "planes would fly off into space" is one of my favorite, too funny... Also I've heard them argue that if a helicopter took off vertically, the fast spin of the globe would make earth travel quickly beneath the helicopter, they expect that the globe spins independently from us... So for instance when you jump off the ground, the globe should travel several feet under you before you land. I giggle so hard at their arguments.
Another excellent video, Rusty! Not sure what your assistant Dave was talking about, it’s all weird sciencey stuff to me! Anyway, here’s to your impending global domination 🐾 🐶
❤ If the world was flat, wouldn’t cats have pushed everything off by now? All the best, Terry and Joyce
Had a discussion in CZcams comments with a flerfer that considered Ptolemy's geocentric model to be the true flat Earth model.
He clearly hadn't researched Ptolemy though, as Ptolemy's geocentric model still has Earth and all celestial bodies being spherical. Ptolemy had also been found to lie about observations to fit his model.
I love the detail you put into your videos and how you don’t name call and bash these people, even though with all of the hateful shit they say towards you and anyone else that calls their bs out, it would be very well deserved.
Dave doesn’t have to bash. He’s backed by centuries of proven, objective truth, and he has Rusty to keep him calm. :)
I have a spaniel mix. Five minutes after he meets a total stranger: "I must merge with your soul."
It's a universal spaniel thing then?
@@DavidSmith-vr1nb I'm not sure what breed Dave has, but it looks a lot like a springer spaniel, which are known to be affectionate. I have a cocker spaniel/pug hybrid.
@@ribbles1699 Rusty looks a bit small for a springer, maybe a sprocker or straight cocker. I've mostly known cavaliers but I have been approached by many random springers and they have so much love for every human around.
@@DavidSmith-vr1nb Sherpa would approve.
It´s totally hilarious when flerfs talking about cherry picking.. their favorite thing :)
The doggy is the best part of this videos, tbh.
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Dave’s rebuttal doesn’t argue like a sword fighter swinging a heavy sword, but more like a neurosurgeon with an obsidian scalpel…precise, accurate, and to the root of the problem.
Are there scalpels that are made of obsidian?
@@zenon7094yup! You can get *stupid* sharp blades made from obsidian, "but because it's fragile you see it doesn't make an effective wea--" *and then I hit him with the wooden baseball bat in my other hand because geologists can only see rocks and minerals.*
Ahem. Because it's volcanic glass, it can be chipped into really sharp razor edges from the get go, no sharpening required. But they don't last too long iirc. Or they last longer than steel, but are more fragile if dropped? Something like that. Basically if you grab them at the blade, they +will+ cut your skin like it's basically nonexistent.
@@5peciesunkn0wn Thanks...did not know that.
@@zenon7094 yes, do a search for “obsidian scalpels”. They are very fragile and expensive, but are sometimes used for surgeries on very delicate surfaces such as on the eye or nerves.
@@zenon7094Obscenely sharp, but obscenely brittle.
The time effort that flat-earthers put into inventing "new science" is mindboggling.
I almost said but not too much time or they'd have fabricated some descriptive math for it too, but that's not by lack of effort, but an active effort to keep their claims unfalsifiable
@@patar3323 You're assuming that they can use maths. Don't bank on it.
Excellent video! My only criticism is that for the sugar water experiment you should’ve compared a curved plank of wood with a flat one just to compare what we SHOULD see with refraction taken into account on a Flat Earth.
It looks flat, trust your eyes
Hides under the horizon, don't trust your eyes
I adore the ineptitude of flerfers. They'll try their darnest to explain something with a natural phenomenon, such as a mirage, then completely disregard it later. They'll push for an explanation with perspective, then forget about it later.
DAMN, that sugar water experiment is phenomenal!
And they can usually be guaranteed to try and demonstrate their knowledge by providing a pathetic display of their ignorance.
i could never imagine fighting such an uphill battle like you are dave, i do not have the mental fortitude to deal with such ignorance so often
Just wait until flerfs are elected to US Congress, Senate, and state governors.
While it's like bashing his head against the wall let's be clear, he's clearly fighting from the high ground Anakin.
Just wait until flerfs started getting elected to Congress, Senate, and governor.
Just wait until flerfs started getting elected to Congress, Senate, and governor.
I'm sure Rusty helps ❤
I don't know why I find this topic so interesting. I've never been convinced of anything flat earth. But I love the experiments.
I know it's been said a hundred times, but i so love the way he explains and shows things, making even complicated technical topics easy to understand. The laser in the fish tank just nailed it so perfectly.
Thank you Dave, for the time and effort you put in to what you do.
Corrrr. A 45 minuter. You spoil us. 👌
Some of your Rampion wind farm footage makes an appearance later on, I hope you don't mind 🙏🏻
@@DaveMcKeegan more than welcome 🙌
To any half decently educated person, your explanations are just *soo good.* When you started the video and talked about how it's gonna be about mirages and whatnot my first thought was "wait a minute.. didnt he already do a video on those things? With a helicopter and whatnot? Those were explained and visualized extremely well, what is there to add?". I literally could not imagine a person being so stupid, intellectually dishonest or simply suffering from such an enormous amount of confirmation bias that those explanations wouldnt get through to them..
Dave, please keep up the good work. This is one of very few (not to say the only) conspiracy debunking channels worth watching. The other ones eventually get boring because stupidity is only fun for so much time. You on the other hand always explain the relevant scientific topics so well that i sometimes learn new things aswell. So this is a sort of hybrid debunk-nonsense and educational channel with very well thought out explanations. It's really not your fault that some people run around with blindfolds all day lol.
Pretty much all of Dave’s videos should be a slam dunk on FE. Totally annihilates it every time. Like you say it’s quite remarkable that some people still find ways to call him out. Madness.
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@@PWEIcom I’ve seen some of your other comments on this channel mate…..need your head checked.
Dave, I was in the middle of drinking something when you said "hashtag, curved Earth" and now some of my drink is in my nose, and on my table.
--- your tone was the equivalent of a mic drop. 🤣
"The camera... at an elevation of approximately 906 feet". That is a really precise approximation
15:45 Whenever they're talking about seeing a building on the other side of a 40 mile lake they incorrectly pull out 8 inches per mile^2 to say "there should be 1000 ft of building missing", but the one time it's the correct thing to use, off they go to a hidden height calculator. Come on flerfs. This was your chance to get something right for once and you blew it!
edit: To be fair, he's correctly using the hidden height calculator at around 28:00, though ignoring refraction.
You have the best co-host.
We should start a gofund me for flat earthers. Send the 3 most popular ones out to space. Under one condition, they would record the entire thing live and post to it to their viewers.
I'd throw a few dollars at that.
The popular flerfs are grifters who would never agree to something that undermines their moneymaking scheme. The true believers would simply claim it was all CGI. Any flerf who changed their mind after the experience would be immediately labeled a “shill” and shunned by the rest of the flerfs.
Any flat earther willing to go to space will deny it the whole time. They probably will try opening the spacecraft's hatch to prove they are right and cause their own death. Then other flat earthers will claim that they were "killed" to prevent the truth from getting out.
They would claim they’re being tricked because they can’t open the door at every moment of the travel. You can’t teach the wilfully ignorant.
It would be immensely more cost effective to just have a gathering at a large lake with flerfers and people like Dave and do the same... but the flerfers already did that on their own and proved curvature. Why do they all so conveniently forget that video? lol
I have been in arguments with people for a few minutes to an hour, and I got tired of being corrected and disproved after only a few minutes before conceding the point with new evidence. How on globe earth do these idiots get absolutely destroyed on every occasion, every time they open their mouths, day after day after day after day, and not at one point think “wait, am I the problem?”
Is anyone counting how many times this guy has been publicly told he is using an incomplete “globe earth curve calculator”? At some point (definitely in the past) he has decided to continue using this incomplete tool because he is dishonest.
Are you talking about Dave or the other guy?
@@leoma205 Clearly the other guy.
Flat Earthers argue in a couple ways:
1) "Flat Earthers don't claim that Dave!"
>Lots of them do, you just conveniently switch what it is you want to support based on the current argument you're in.
2) "That isn't the flat earth map Dave!"
>Then what is? Y'all never provide one and it's embarrassing.
3) my favorite, "nuh uh, you're just brainwashed"
>Provide me one, just a damn single one measly model that explains all the things the single globe model explains.
i keep waiting for a flerf to explain why the stars in the southern hemisphere spin in a circle instead of sweeping across the sky, or why Australia's north south distance isn't 1/3 of its east west, but i guess i never will.
@@Appletank8 I've had the unfortunate experience of hearing a flat earther claim during just such a debate, that "Australia doesn't exist." That was their "legitimate" so-called "fact," and a moment later I proved that wrong by getting a hold of someone via Discord, whom happens to live in Australia. Fun times....
As a biblical cosmology believer I cannot explain everything to do. The helio centric theory can’t explain everything either. They have no idea how gravity works for example. I trust my senses and common sense. If there is no curve there can’t be a globe. This is just one problem and there are many more.
The stars move in a circle around Polaris as they have since recorded history (and most likely since creation). For thousands of years the same stars at the same time of year yet we are told our galaxy is zooming through space at ridiculously fast speeds.
@@wardrobegirl67 So ... what about the stars that rotate around the Southern Cross?
Very well explained. Looking forward to the second half. Keep up the good work .
That fish tank experiment was really useful in showing how it works which is amazing.
There's an entire library of images of Mt. Rainier (peak elev. ~4'392 m) in Washington State (USA)-the tallest volcano and 2nd tallest mountain in the contiguous U.S.-casting a shadow on the underside of overhead cloud cover some 200-500 m above, and east of its peak, at sunset.
Would love to see the *FLat EaRth Fools* (FLERFs) explanation on how light from an object 4'828'032 m (3'000 mi) altitude (AT sunset), above their glorious pizza-disc earth's surface can cast shadows from objects BELOW the cloud cover, onto the underside of those same clouds.
People who know they are wrong try to be a master in deceiving. They'll gaslight people, point out things that help themselves out (cherry picking), and reflect their own doings onto the other person.
This is why it is common for someone who is cheating in a relationship randomly accuses their partner of cheating first. In this series of video, Don't Sphere the Truth is showing the high tell signs of that, which means he may fully be aware of his actions and that he is deceiving people on purpose. He clearly gets something out of it, maybe he does it to gain a following.
Plus, I love how he wants people to act like adults and to not name call. Only to get the next comment that is just them name calling and he likes it. He isn't trying very hard.
Superb! Love this channel. Can’t wait for a deep-diving part 2
You have a lot of patience debunking all the flat claims... great video Dave!
These Flearthers still probably follow the Phlogiston theory.
Thankfully, Priestley invented dephlogisticated air.
They do, absolutely.
If you went to school in England. In France they'd tell you it was Antoine Lavoisier, in Sweden they'll say Carl Scheele, who is said to have discovered it (oxygen) before Priestley, but Priestley published first.
@robinbest2729 and Flerfers and other sorts of nutbars point to disproven ideas like phlogiston, ether, spontaneous generation, Lamarckism... and then think that THEY have a viable idea. Robitaille's Electric Universe for one. Hancock's history BS for another...
I mean, I know some of them believe in the Luminiferous Aether, so...undoubtedly.
@@NeutralDrow If they enunciated that like Daffy Duck, though, it'd be pretty funny.
Show a photo or video over the edge of the flat earth, or from a great enough altitude to show the pizza map. That's all they need to do.
amazing video as always. Thank you for teaching me more about the natural world.
Dave, your eye for detail and logic only complemented by your humor. Well done, once again!
Sadly, not a single FEer will watch even a full minute of this, let alone the entire thing, which was excellent as usual. God bless you, Dave.
I love that the flerf is making claims that require common factors that always need to occur to cause objects to disappear bottom up, while also saying that they don’t always occur, or you can’t see them happening but they are happening because the object is disappearing bottom first.
Great job Rusty🐾
Jeez this is merciless. I applaud your effort.
Good video, but I just have to say that I dislike how documentaries today have to have that dramatic music. I want to learn stuff, I don't want to sit at the edge of my seat and pray and hope that the helicopter will not crash!
I especially liked how the person in the helicopter apparently waited until that moment to tell the person at the telescope to watch for them like they hadn't discussed it prior.
The problem with flatters. It’s not that they don’t understand.
The case is they WON’t!!
They would not allow themselves to hold an understanding. They misinterpret Bible's words, that is why.
I love the fish tank experiment. Very cool to see and an excellent demonstration. You've outdone yourself with this video, Dave. 🙂
That was the video about the effects of refraction I wanted to see. So far the arguments I heard about refraction weren't conclusive to me.
What I've seen and heard today puts a wrap on my reasoning. Thanks Dave, I really love what you're doing there.
The world of reason and sanity (ie earth is a globe) is full of reasoned arguments with scientifically proven facts and data delivered without insult. The flat earth community is full of bizarre conspiracy theories, science denial and most of all…insults and anger
Yep : when you have to deny the nature (or even the existence of) space, the sun, the moon, satellites, gravitation, optics (etc, etc) you should probably pause and reconsider.
Man, you are a powerhouse against the flat earthers. I swear, your videos are so thorough which I REALLY appreciate. It leaves no room for excuses from the flat earthers.
But of course, they'll still find a way.... somehow. LOL
Great video!
Bless you for having the strength to correct these people despite how it must feel like talking to a wall.
Thanks Dave and Rusty.
Why are they so against just our planet being an oblate sphere. They can obviously use a telescope to see the shape of the other planets. I mean anyone with access to a smartphone or basic telescope can. They do make me laugh, but also peeve me with their disingenuousness.
Because they want to convince themselves that they are smarter than smart people. And that those smart people aren't actually smart at all - they are lying.
Flat earthers would sooner declare a reflection within their telescope caused by their inexperience using one to be a "second hidden sun" rather than accept reality.
Everyone's different, but the ones who are most devoted and who seem most immune to direct evidence are more often than not anchored in by something completely unrelated to the shape of the earth: The desperate need for there to be a villain holding them back. If some evil organization in charge of everything is out there, then when bad things happen to them, they can blame that evil organization rather than admitting that sometimes the world is just unfair to good people, or even admitting faults of their own. It's a defensive mechanism to protect the ego.
You can see it here with the comment about how CZcams MUST be actively and maliciously responsible for globe videos getting better treatment than flat earth videos. They can't afford to wonder if it might be because their videos are just less popular, or that youtube has a right and an obligation to crack down on misinformation. It MUST be a personal attack against them, to protect their ego from the ravages of a world that doesn't hate them, it's just indifferent to them.
But remember, this only applies to SOME people. There are other reasons, from "genuinely convinced by videos such as these that it's factually true" to "dogmatically forced to assume the world is flat due to a very specific interpretation of a religious text, or else burn in hell." The options are plentiful.
Because they can make money on people's gullibility, and feel special at the same time. No different than any other conspiracy theory/cult.
@@MeerkatADV So the new snake oil salesman are the exact same as the old ones. Always amazing that people fall for it. 👍
About the vertical compression which is important in the Skunk Bay and English Channel windfarm examples: we see that same compression in the shape of the setting sun at about 32:12. The sun's horizontal diameter seems nearly twice the vertical diameter, because of refractive compression. So it would be unwise of any flat earth to deny the effect that neutralises their claimed examples.
Edited to corrrect the timestamp.
Holy shit that final experiment was awesome. Like sure Flat earth will just talk BS but for people with working brains its a great demonstration.
They love the saying "horizon rises to eye level," yet can't grasp that it means anything in the foreground that lines up at the horizon (like the turbines) is therefore at eye level! 😂
19:58 you can see clearly, they are moving the laser... Typical Flerf behavior... #gottalietoflerf
I noticed that too lol. The whole point of the experiment is you don't touch the damn laser and...oh look. They're touching the laser...
It's seems so obvious how the accusations from flerfs are purely projection. The dude accuses of cherry picking, gaslighting, and bullshitting, while he does it the entire time. Yikes
It's not just projection, it's cargo cult rhetoric. These are things he has been accused of because he does them all the time, so he thinks his credibility goes up if he says the same words.
Does it ever make you worry that you're doing the same thing, inadvertently? Somewhere where it really matters? That's a scary thought, for me. Not a flerf, but trying to understand how they're thinking is so hard. Especially how such thorough communication as between Dave and all those other channels can still fail, despite all the info, examples, formulas, etc.
The grifters all know exactly what refraction is and what it does.
That's why they have to wait for the right conditions before they try to find the truth.
Masterful work as always, Dave!
I've had to do a oral test in EMC (french school subject consisting in been educated in moral and civic life) and teatcher asked us to make one about fakes news and debunk it later.
your explenations on all the Apollo missions helped me a lot !
This one is as clear and relaxing to hear as the other
In light of this supposed flat Earth proof, the lights on a ferry sailing towards the horizon will always be visible and never disappear, I have only observed the lights on a ferry start to disappear from the bottom up. There is no mirage in this scenario. The same photo of the Blackpool tower at night will show the bottom lights as missing, again no mirage.
The Dog Fondler.
What a weird way to say "the good dog dad"
Superb work Dave. I’ve not heard of @oledhaeseleer before, but will definitely be making up for that now. Keep it up, I’m loving every video 👍🏼
Another awesome vid Dave. Love your work :)
Also love how I've never once heard you insult a flerf. I do enjoy the point and laugh creators like Sir Sic or Creaky Blinder, but your pure professionalism is a great change of pace. Keep up the awesome, and honourable work. 👍
The fact that people can no longer think critically and believe the earth is flat is depressing.
It's long been clear that to them, "critical thinking" simply means being a contrarian, and that not automatically believing the opposite of what's been thoroughly established is being a line-toeing "sheep."
I don’t see people out in the streets trying to get rid off Satan Claws and the other fairies but a level earth is a fact no matter what people say about math level is level, want to debunk a spherical earth go watch ISS live for awhile 😂😂😂
@@SpitSharp Weak and obvious trolling, 0/10.
@@SpitSharpMaybe someday a flat Earther will be able to explain how sunsets work, but today is not that day 😂
@@SpitSharp I'm a relative neophyte to the flat vs. sphere arguments, so what exactly does watching ISS Live prove or disprove about a flat Earth?
you're playing chess with a pigeon
21:53. Interesting that not even a telescope was able to bring the helicopter back into view. #YouveGotToLieToBeAFlatEarther
It wasn't a P 900 or a P 1000, so not valid....
The laser experiment is cool.
Thanks for another good video.
Wow, that last bit with a laser is just amazing!
Flat earthers love invoking refraction when there's an image with very little refraction, but they never include refraction when doing their own analysis on an image that is obviously heavily distorted. Gotta love that selective bias of there's. They see refraction where there is none when it proves them wrong and they can't see it when it's there because it helps their claim. At this point, we should just troll them for being such predictable liars.
that demonstration at the end was amazing. never knew this is possible
Ok, that last experiment was pretty awesome. I've accepted the concept of refraction for a long time, but seeing it so clearly demonstrated really helped me actually understand it. Great work
Love the content but even if I didn’t I would still watch for that beautiful loving dog always bumping him to get petted !
In one of his earlier FE debunking videos, Rusty just starts licking Dave's jeans/pants for about 15-20 secs! The look on Dave's face! I can't seem to find which video that was, as I've rewatched several of them for refreshing. Still looking!
Wait, one of the complaints DST has is that you're only including snippets of his video? Does he expect you to include the whole nonsensical rambling full-feature length film he makes in your video?
Didn't he only include snippets of your video in his too??
I find it absolutely infuriating that us being able to make predictions like these is bears no significance to the flerfs. Like, how do they think we can predict this shit? Our model works!
Model? The Globe "model" is a flat earth projection 😂
Also, boats don't go over the edge, try using a telescope 🤭
Funny thing too, Na$a admits the blue marble "images" are created in photoshop. Weightlessness is faked using zero g planes, wires and harnesses, green screens, bloopers galore. Ever seen a sun fadeout? So much for going over the edge of a sphere huh! Globe believers will fall for anything and then act all incredulous about anyone not sharing their numpty beliefs its hilarious
If you didn't need very specific atmospheric conditions to get that "world's longest photo" picture, anyone could go an take it at any time. Even people who don't own incredibly expensive gear. You can rent gear. But also, the camera used to take that shot was a Panasonic Lumix FZ72. It has a fixed, built in zoom lens. They are like $200 on ebay. A flat earther could go and take *nearly identical* pictures from pretty much any tall surface on the planet at any time.