2022 Honda CB650R | Better Than A Boring Parallel Twin??
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2023
- The latest generation on middleweight naked motorcycles are all parallel twins, its so refreshing that we still have the fantastic Honda CB650R! But how does that high revving straight four engine ride compared to the competishion?
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This is the most beautiful naked bike to me ... I like the sound of 4 cylinders better than two ... I had a Yamaha MT07 but I always liked this Honda better. The sound of the engine as it spins up to 12,000 rpm is unsurpassed.
Own an identical one. Great bike. Miles better handling than other middleweights. Super planted at high speed. Handles weight transfers very well. Super smooth at low speed but becomes a rocket when you twist the throttle. Hope Honda will continue developing this platform adding more technology, ready to pay a price premium on twins.
Nothing beats a screaming I4. I’m running a 2012 CB600F Hornet with an Akrapovic slip-on, full Maxton suspension setup and an HM quickshifter. I’ll never sell that bike.
i own this one as a 2022 black matte model - already made 12.000 kilometres in just one year on it and several nürburgring nordschleife laps as well and all i have to say is: I LOVE THIS BIKE. Of course there are some points to talk about, like the often accidentally touched button for deactivating the traction-control - but in the end i´d buy this bike again anytime!
I did all my training on Honda CB650R's, it's a cracking bike, and it will always be one of my favourites. Around town, it's very refined, and when you pin the throttle it sounds fantastic - just remember to hang on! Now the CB750 Hornet has arrived, I think Honda should use that beautiful in-line four-cylinder engine, in a new retro bike that pays homage to the classic CB750 of 1969; the first motorcycle to be called a "superbike". Kawasaki did it with the Z900RS, and Triumph has released loads of classic bikes, so the demand is there.
A comparison to the new Hornet will be interesting though I think the CB650R takes the win in the looks department.
Agreed, styling on the new hornet is really disappointing imo. I feel like Honda kind of lost their way for a while now.. 😔
Yes have to agree! 👍
@@hyperthunk I don't know why they didn't stay with and improve the neo retro cafe look of the CB650R. The Hornet is very mediocre in the looks department.
@@kevincrockett5155 yeah they could've expanded on that theme for sure
@@kevincrockett5155 There are rumours they will eventually release a retro version along with a CBR version too. Hopefully 🤞
I love the motor in my Africa Twin, its well suited in that type of bike but you are right....there's nothing quite like an in-line 4.
They're like Jekyll and Hyde - all the manners and sophistication while still being able to scream around like an utter hooligan when you're in the mood to!
Great review though, cheers chopsy 🍻 👏
Thank you man, you put words to my thoughts!! I've been looking for a first big motorbike, tested parallel twins and they are NOTHING compared to the 4 in-line of the CB650R. I'm 99,9% convinced I'm getting this one, saving €€!
Gem of an engine i love the screaming it does on the edge. super review Chopsey brightened up my day mate.
Exhilarating Mate, thank you for waking us up so deliciously! Oldies might go for the 4 because it is historical whereas those without the knowledge will not sniff at the parallel! I myself have the 700 twin, no noise, more torque at v low revs and mpg in the 60's but cannot ride 'ordinary' bikes because of injuries!
First bike I got after passing my test and said to myself it will do until I get something bigger. Two years later still have it still love it, no thoughts of changing it
Great review!! Your winter sunshine is better than our summer zero sunshine down in NZ !!!
did my driving school with one of these. lovely bike and very smooth to drive. ended up getting a trident though, since it handles a little bit better (cuz its not as bulky) and has the more modern tech on it.
Great video, and awesome audio quality showcasing that beautiful 4 cyl engine. I past my full test last summer but wasn’t in a position to buy a bike, but this is the one I want from sitting on one a few times and watching videos. Hopefully this spring I will be able to! Looks and sounds like an absolute beaut. 👍 I look forward to the Hornet videos but I am not sold on it’s looks from seeing it at NEC bike show back in November.
Great value for a quality, fun motorcycle. Like the styling too. Well done, Chops.
Thanks Mike 👍
Nice video bud, I had the 2019 CB650R as my first "big" bike absolutely loved it, had BMW not refreshed the S1KR i'd probably have still had it haha!
The 650R sounds amazing with a decent exhaust on them!
Just bought a 2023 one today in gray! Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow.
Love your intro music and the looping anticipatory bit !❤
Nice video chops, brightened up my week! I had an 08 Hornet for about 18 months, loved the screaming straight 4 and this brought back memories. Mine sounded better when I put a full Arrow system on it, but boy was it chuffing loud! Looking forward to the comparison with the new Hornet.
Thanks Sean me too! 😁👍
I started on the previous model CBR 650f and I loved it !! In-line 4 soundtrack but less chance of newbies nuking themselves 😂
My first big bike was a 1971 Kawasaki Mach III but I've owned mostly I4's (along with a couple of 80's Honda V4's, an SV650, and my current Duke 390). I did own (and raced) a older but similar to the CBR650R, 91 CBR 600 F2 but overall enjoyed riding the v-twin SV (and a very torquey 81 GS 650E) the most so looking forward to your Hornet test. 270° P-twin is on my wish list and likely will end up with a Hornet, GSX 8S, or KTM Duke 790. No matter what I end up with will be a bit envious of the CBR650R's good looks though!
I've had my CB650R almost two months now and love it. Considered the Trident 660 but stories of a sluggish electronic throttle were enough to put me off it. Besides that, I thought the Honda looked and felt a bit more "premium". The Trident had a slightly more relaxed riding position, but the CB stays JUST the right side of "upright" for what I was after. It's funny how much faster everything feels on a naked bike, having only ridden faired bikes on the road up until now. It's a hoot!
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Thanks so much! 😁👍
I've ordered the new CB750 HORNET and it's coming in the next couple of weeks, I can't wait.
It’s also one of the finest looking bikes on the planet. I went to a dealer to check out the CBR650R when they were just released, but when the CB650R caught my eye, I was genuinely set aback. I’d never seen a bike that looked as good. I test rode both bikes, and they were great to ride. I had the CBR650R for a full day, motorways, long, sweeping country roads, and very tight twisties, and the engine was fantastic. They’re surprisingly torquey for a four-cylinder. In the end I went for an MT-07 for its hooligan qualities, but I’ve a very strong liking for these Hondas. Were I a little more ‘gentlemanly’ on the roads, I’d have gotten one of these bikes. Probably this one in the denim blue.
Nice review & very timely. This bike's really grown on me & I've been looking in to one of these as a possible purchase later this year. Also looking at the GSX8S but need to wait for the launch & a test ride dare I say.
Glad I could help! :-)
I believe this Honda In-L 4 in years to come will be quite desirable. Also that engine is so beautiful to look at as well. The headers are very nice too. Anyway on a side note I had to ask Siri what 20 1/2 stone converts to in American speak, and I’m proud to say Chops my girlfriend has got you by a 1/2 a stone, maxing out the preload of my forks and shock just to get the both us down the road😂 We love your videos, keep up the good work👏
Haha thanks Dukie 😁👍
I’ve heard comments that inline 4s don’t have character or soul; I think they have rocks for brains. How can you not get excited when you hear that motor?
Greatreview chopsy, thanks for this! Cheers from Ottawa Canada
My pleasure!
so funny how a straight 4 engine is slowly becoming desirable, especially in the middle class. 10 years ago in the world of cbr600rr's,zx6r's,gixxers etc, straight 4's were pretty common and almost thought of as dull. Now the screamers are gone, and parallel twins rule, long live the I4!!!
Yep.
I love it. And IL4 smoothness is much better imo than a twin.
I fondly remember the Z650 of my late teens, which was just a perfect all round machine and as fast as many 750's. Times had moved on from old twins, and we were enjoying the new, smooth, high tech, bullet poof 4 cylinder era.
Coming back in 2020 to motorcycling after a mere 40 year break, I was disappointed at the absence of 4 cylinder mid range bikes on the market. Yes, the modern parallel twins are very good, but they don't have the smoothness and whoomf of a 4 cylinder. I also say this owning a V twin Ducati, which is surprisingly smooth, has wonderful grunt, and I just love it.
But. I was so disappointed when Kawasaki re released the Z650 in the same green as my old Z650...but as a twin. The original looked like a Z1, and only close would you see the 650 on the side panel. It was a big boys' bike. So. Good for Honda still flying the flag that keeps the spirit of the Japanese 4 cylinder era.
sounds like good times mann, let's enjoy the 4 pot while we still can
I have a V-twin from Ducati too, on a Monster 937. It vibrates a lot to the point of damaging my phone’s camera. So be careful
@adonissad I can assure you, mine is a pleasant surprise. I've had Go Pro's stuck direct to the tank, phone mounted no problem. Mine's the 800 scrambler cafe racer, and they reduced the overall power ( despite being 800 cc it only kicks out 73 bhp) from the 800 monster engine it's based on. It's consequently understressed and the fuel injection is very good for even tootling around town. That said, it's not as smooth as my old Z650 🙂
I've had the sports version for 3 years now, and the engine vibration disappeared after 5,000 miles or so. It is a bit lackluster below 6,000 rpm but has enough grunt to be entertaining above that. I too love the sound of an inline 4, and I've just ordered another to replace it, a Ninja 1000 SX.
I'm very interested in the new hornet as far as engine sound and beauty the 650r wins hands down. Excellent test as usual, that water was scary!
Great review as always Chopsy..
I bought the CBR650R last October and that engine is a peach!.. My first big bike as such, and I think these are great for that..
That 4 cylinder linear power, Honda quality and reliability make them a great bike, I think.. Both look great too!
Can't wait to get some more miles on when this weather sorts itself out!!😀
Keep up the great work!..👏
Good choice!
Good choice of bike ive got the same 👍
Yes definitely waiting for the warmer weather to arrive and get out there again having fun.
I've got my eye on this bike. The only thing is I've heard there's a bit of a spot in the revs range where there's a lack of torque. Is this true? Thank you.
@@martinrea8548 Don't worry about it I would say. I have seen the torque curves of the older (2019) version where it was visible around 5500 rpm or so, but from model 2021 I think Honda ironed it out well enough. I have 2021 and if there is a gap it's barely noticeable. Choose your riding modes by right hand twist ... Engine is smooth, vibration free, with linear power till 6000rpm (easy and comfortable ride downtown or commuting, and will not catch you of guard ...) and from 6000rpm up it becomes a different beast, starts to vibrate scream and pull which is what you want to have fun. You can feel the increase in power, which seems to never stop ... If you come from twin, then it feels like any moment you should shift up, but she keeps pulling ... ;-) 108km/h on first gear and 140km/h in a second gear .... They say Hondas have no character, but I would argue that this CB650R has like 4 different of them ... changing character every 2000RPM up all the way till 12800!!! I love it.
@@lighthunt Thanks for taking the time to answer. I think I understand what you mean. I just watched this Indian reviewer's review of the bike. 120kmph in second gear!!! That's insane! I have got to at least test ride one of these. Here's that review I watched, if you're interested. Thanks again! czcams.com/video/hNdujORO3Kg/video.html
Interesting how things go round. We started with large single cylinder engines then there was a drive to more and more cylinders (remember the CBX and the Z1?) then someone flipped a switch and we ended up with two large cylinders again. I'll never forget the glorious sound of a CBX at full throttle...
I got into motorcycling when I worked in Japan during the 1990s. My first ride was a cheap 1986 vintage Suzuki 250cc, 4 cylinder naked. As a newbie I thought it was awesome.
The sound had me reminiscing over my CBR600 FM back in '91 😁
Yes brilliant eh! 👏
Awesome review I enjoyed your video. Its a back to basics bike with what you really need for a good ride. It is a bit heavy and I agree on the suspension it feels sportier than the cb1000r
I love no vibrations and that sound… yes
Congratulations on hitting 100k subs, chops
Appreciate it! Thanks 👍
I loved mine. If I hadn’t wanted to experiment off-road then I’d have kept it. Loved the engine
Weird - I’m from Worcester but recognised that road up the hill because I ran (ok, walked bits) up it this afternoon…just outside South Harting right?
Nice looking bike. In line four scream is hard to beat ! 👍
For me the CB650R is just perfect. When im riding with my girl on the back everything is easy and smooth low in rpm. When im blasting alone there is the powerband above 8K rpm. And everytime I park my matte blue version somewhere there always are guys stop to look at it. I really love my 2022 cb650r.
Brilliant review Chopsy 👍🏻
Glad you liked it!
I had a cb650f after a k1200 so felt the lack of grunt so sold it. I have slowed down now and was looking at the new super meteor 650 which is around the same price . Growing up with the UJM l love that rev limit! 😊
Lower production cost is the reason for the switch to parallel twins by manufacturers.... And the use of the same engine in various states of tune across multiple models. Honda inline fours have historically been good motors. Their mid sized twins are exceedingly dull. Love your content.
That inline four takes me back to a mid seventies 750-4 with Kerker 2 into 1 headers on it. Scary in the corners but a blast in a straight line!
I agree with u Chops that it is indeed sad that they days of the inline 4s are numbered
Thanks chopsie a nice true to life review.....
As a 40 something that cut my biking teeth in the 90s, I lament the demise of the mid-range in line 4. These bikes look great, especially those swept headers. I almost bought one, but bought a used XSR900 for the same price as a new CB. I've still got a 97 CBR 600 though!
Something about an IL4, a real shame they’re being phased out and replaced……..that sound ❤.
Hired one in Thailand for a week, did about 1000km on it. Great bike! Very easy in the cities and plenty powerful on the open roads. Had it over 160 a few times, no worries, feels planted. Really good package, surprised me
Where in Thailand were you, brankog? I live in Chiang Rai.
@@user-sw2lv3zp6o out of Chiang Mai that trip. Great area for Riding! The ride to Pai was awesome
@@brankog7 Sounds great!
What a great bike, rode it in driving school👌
I'm sticking with my 21reg cbr650r fantastic bike and makes a great sound. It's such a shame about losing these special engines because of emissions.
Not as Big a shame as when they
Stopped Making. TWO Strokes
all Together.
A agree as I own the same year and model.
You can always change the teeth numbers to get more torque for townnuse only or even more end-speed if you need for your local track.
I wished they'd made a 700cc correction and tuned the engine to 750 like they did for our bikes.
Perfect upgrade for adult riders like us who don't need or want a Littr bike get a bit more juice to squeeze....I dont approve the Hornet engine at all....sounds like a bloody landowner tractor. Sports bike means sharp lines and a screaming engine. Only Italians can make a V4 engine sound beautiful. Japanese V engines are for landowner lovers. ( and I had a Ninja400)
Enjoyed the video, and I suppose in todays values for a inline four it's a bargain, just makes me think the bigger cube bikes are definitely over priced. But alas we must enjoy our petrol powered motorcycles whilst we still can. Thanks' Chopsie.
Sounds better ! This is the reason I love my CBF600 2009 🙂 ....no vibrations.
Great review Chopsy , can't beat the sound of a inline four pot screaming to 12k 😁😁 sods law when you come to a flooded road cars always coming towards you !!!
As you say would be a great first big bike for someone. My first big !! Bike was the old xj 650 thought it was as fast as hell then 😮😁 Rickman fairing , ace bars, two four seat and an Alfa 4 into 1 .👍👍 at least you have a bit of blue sky there mate .😁😁 Good to see a few bikes out and about down your way .👍
Thanks Wattie 👍
One of each engine configuration, that's what I'm aiming for haha. Love an IL4, Kawasaki's Z1000 family have a lovely engine. My old '97 and '02 ZX6Rs were fabulous too! Those old carb fed bikes felt so smooth!
Yeah you can't beat the instant response of a carbed bike! One of each sounds like a good plan 😁👍
Best newbie bike, calm and cool under 5000rpm, above 5000 all power unleashes, and sounds heavenly. If I wasn't 110kg, it would be THE PERFECT all around bike. I do believe it is The Best middleweight for a new rider, straight from a 125cc. Both the naked and the Sporty looks amazing.
Nice review Mr Chops, keep up the good work
200kg you mean. 110kg would be incredibly light.
@@hgzmatt what are you talking about???
@@szaesz8190 I misread, apologies.
Great bike! Had one for a year. Put a Boosterplug on and gain much more grunt.
But do be careful when the OEM tyres are new. Slippery both in dry and wet!
Great review, liked subbed and I've hit the bell.
Good man thanks Dylan 👍
Great video Chops,
I've got a question for you since we've had the same bikes in the past few years. Bought a 690 SMC-R and traded it in for a 500 EXC-F. I obviously sumo'ed the 500, the main reason I traded the 690 in was to have a proper "small bike/sumo" and buy a bike that's more road capable/oriented than my previous 690. I've been lurking around the CB650R quite a bit and was wondering if it would be a good combination.
There's a couple of nice naked bikes on the market right now but I am really looking at fairings, the R7 being one but I'm afraid of the seating position. The CB650R hits a sweet spot with a more upward position... Uhhh, wish I could own 6 bikes and stop caring about flexibility.
I'm only 34 and a twin just doesn't touch my soul the same as a 4 cylinder bike. A 4 cylinder bike with a good sounding exhaust is one of the best sounds in the world.
We just need a review of my fav bike now - updated for 2022; Yamaha MT10. I would love to see ur thghts and review on it, Chopsy. Much love.
I would say the straight four you can tickle along slow in a high gear & return good MPG.
Great vid Mr chops
The cb650r was the bike I was looking to get my wife when she passes her test this year hopefully, but I'll wait and see what you say about the hornet first lol 😆
All the best
Great choice for a first bike
Yes would be great for her! Hornet probably also good though 😁 hehe
Rode a parallel twin at the weekend very buzzy and vibey.ill take the 4 or a v twin thanks
You always make me laugh John 🤣🏍
Good fun watching your vids
How much over 60 was it ?.🤣🤣
Not much... honestly officer 😁
Beautiful countryside nice clean creek!
CB 750 needs to be a four cylinder IMO. I love my Kawasaki Z900 RS SE.
I traded my blackbird in for one of these getting a bit old for long distance blasts, absolutely smasher of a bike for a naked 650, nice to be able to pootle around the lanes then thrash the shite out of it on bigger roads without killing myself at 180mph, has to be a 4 pot for me not a twin love the dual personality of this.
I think the new engine will be better then you think, and i heard that it sounds great. Be open to it.
Great review. I'd consider this as a smaller second bike. The Hornet appears great value for for money but the CB650R looks great.
Hornet unfortunately is better in every way and I'm a big proponent of the I4 engine. The Hornet blows it away on torque, has more horsepower and has a nice 270 crank sound. The CB is going to probably be axed.
@englishsteel2347 . I'm aware of the difference in low-down torque but like you, I'm convinced that the CB650R will be dropped. I'll ultimately be looking for a second bike to supplement my Tracer 9GT and the Hornet ticks a lot of boxes but I just like the look of the CB650R.
@@MGman100 Suzuki dropped the Gsx-S750 due to sales even tho for the middleweight sport naked that bike utterly screams lol so it just is what it is the P-Twins are popular.
I love engines that rev with character and you have to work the gears, it’s why I ride! If I want a sensible engine I’ll take my car!
Going to test the new 750 hornet when I have the time,I am a short arse & a returning biker,so it looks a good fit for me.
Ultimately I prefer 4s, but the wheelie capability of twins (my sons mt07 is a hoot), suggests they are not toooo boring. Good subject.
You said it yourself - a twin makes a lot of sense.
I don't ride bikes to make sense. I ride them to make me happy.
Absolutely agree 👍
Honestly Chops it is an amazing bike. The CBR version is every bit a baby blade of modern times. I still haven’t found anything that ticks all the boxes and I’ve tried a lot.
I'd love to have one of these!
Having had a CBR650R for the first year as my first big bike I have to agree, rove a parallel twin and triple in this class but they didn’t excite me where the Honda just did!
Despite being an old fatty I’ve done 6,000 miles and it’s been awesome.
Been to Austrian alps and back chasing my son on a Ducati V4S with it packing me two panniers and a rucksack and still managed 148 mph indicated on Autobahns!
What a machine!
Moving on to a Ducati Panigale V2 now 😮
Enjoy the V2 Ian 👍
Quickshifter and Akra with a new set of S22 revitalised this bike for me! Totally different animal from stock.
Noises like this out of a bike is what made me go and buy a gsxs750... In my opinion you can't beat the 4 cylinder howl.
Great review - if I didn't have my beloved '14 CB1000R I'd be all over it.
This looks stunning, old hornet was quite a looker as well. The new hornet looks like a toy if i am honest!
Nice one again chops 👏🏻 The audio is on point. Is that just through the helmet mic or you got a external mic?
Thanks Buddy, no helmet audio only 👍
Mabey comparisons with previous fours are a good idea, the first gsxr barely broke 100 bhp ( good for a 750 back then) and was all about weight … 95 bhp is plenty of shove my 750 back then had 79bhp and wasn’t considered a slouch …
Must admit,they do look good!
considering one of these as my first bike once I pass my tests
I had 2 hornets and this bike sounds just gorgeous. I was disappointed when they announced the new Hornet was a twin. Hoping its a good allrounder like its predecessors.
Haha, and i quote 'a four, its a little bit more of a grown up bike' he says revving the nuts of it with a big smile! 🤣🤣🤣
Haha very true! 😁👍
I absolutely LOVE my 650R! So glad I bought mine when I did. Love the way it looks, the way it sounds and the versatility of the engine.
The "poor" bottom end of these inline fours is seen as a drawback by most, but actually it gives me the option to ride in a very insensitive part of the powerband. Even in the wet - no rider modes needed.
By the way, a quick shifter is a factory option for these and one can easily be retrofitted after the fact. It's up only, but I'd only need it when I'm powering down a slip road.
Unfortunately in aus they only bring a limited power learner version over. Such a shame. Not many midrange 4 cylinders available anymore. Ended up with a z900 to get that 4 cylinder sound.
The Z900 is a great bike and IMO somewhat underrated these days.
Many journos and spec sheet warriors will claim that the new MT-09 blows the Z900 out the water.
After having owned both I can confidently say that statement is completely rubbish.
great review on th handa cb 650 and great vid to bud yh i know what you mean about the water on the roads at the min the new forest roads are bad for it at the min and with this cold front we have had there so much ice on the roads at the min from it ride safe bud and just found out today that china has been hit with the cold front now - 56 over there they not been that cold in time last time was 1969
Not really a fan of medium-size four-cyliner inline fours, but I can see why people are. It's the low-down punch I go for. The 1000R would appeal to me, though. I'd prefer a Trident 660 to a CB650R.
The usual excellent review, incorporating proper riding.
The Cb doesn't have any advantage to the GSX8, Hornet, Tuono 600 and etc all these twins. Truly doesn't have any advantage to the MT07 either. The gutless I4 lacks the torque and doesn't have the explosiveness of a proper sport bike I4 to make up for it. Ride a real full power I4 and you get it because nothing screams like it up top and they're SO stable at lean.
I really do think honda's tend to get overlooked quite often. Seems all the hype gets reserved for the bikes that stand out with specs or wacky shapes or designs. Honda seems to have gone for refinement and simplicity with their nakeds, and despite that making them extremely competent and pleasant rides, they dont stand out when you look at their spec sheets. My guess is the work put into the visual design of the bikes was intended to attract attention so that they may be appreciated, but alas, no such luck.
A pal had one of these. I did notice, when sitting on it, that it felt to be a pretty compact, shortish wheelbase bike, as though the yoke and instrumentation were very close to the rider. Don't know why he got rid, but he's a devil for change for change's sake. He then got a VFR800, which he dropped when a foot slipped on some gravel, then a Tracer 900 and now a Tracer 700. He'd had the 'normal' Yam MT-07 before those. Must be costing him a small fortune ! I've owned the same bike for almost 18 years, and he's got more years on him than my near 66. 120 crank horsepower and a dry weight of 400lbs is plenty. Got no ABS, traction control or riding modes but they're not vital. Famous last words !
I bet you're looking forward to the full fat Honda rival for BMW's M1000R.
I wonder if he finds it hard to get test rides ?
@@majordelays4909 M&P in Gorseinon, nr. Swansea is a pretty big place, should be no shortage of them but I think he just goes for bikes he likes the look of. Much like all of us, regarding women when we're young and foolish.
Nice!! I did think there was a couple to many gear changes to get to 60mph🤔😅. Are those pipes chromed? They look rather shiny.
Haha yes, yeah pipes look chrome, certainly double skinned and not just rust magnets.
I love my z900. I'm a sucker for an i4.
Erm... don't forget Triumph's Trident 660 three cylinder. I'm biased... I love mine 😅
Don't worry I didn't 😉