Is Gibson's MURPHY LAB collection the new historical benchmark? Murphy ‘59 vs CC#1!
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- As we come to the end of an incredibly exciting week for Gibson guitars, the reception for the new Murphy Lab collection has shown that relic’d guitars are as contentious and exciting as they ever have been. As the undisputed king of ageing a Gibson guitar, Tom Murphy helped to establish his name by working on projects such as the Collector’s Choice series, artfully recreating the minute details of iconic pieces of rock history for limited runs. The rarest and most desirable of all, CC #1, is arguably his magnum opus. Or at least, it was…
We thought it would be fun to show two sides of the Murphy coin - one, a painstakingly accurate recreation of a rock legend. The other, a production line, made to measure, customer-attainable piece of incredible craftsmanship. Two very different guitars, but both with the signature Tom Murphy flare, and iconic Gibson tonal snarl.
There is clearly no winner here, but let us know in the comments which of these two dream Les Pauls would be YOUR choice!
If you’d like to find out more information about the new Murphy Lab series, check out the link to our website here: bit.ly/3vi5cDk
In case you missed it, you can also see the initial unboxing video of these guitars with John, as well as the first impressions video with Jack here:
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Thanks as always for watching, take care and we’ll see you in the next one!
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CC#1 for me. Both are great, but the CC has the sound.
I look forward to your videos Jack. Great playing and insight on the guitars you are reviewing!
Phenomenal player this guy, not even a showy type, everything he plays sounds like a tasteful melodic song. His playing really fully highlights what a good Les Paul is capable of.
Thank you!
The playing is what kept me into this! Excellent work!
That Murphy lab sounded unreal! I think that’s the best lp I have ever heard 👏👏
I own one and they are the best ive ever played , absolutly insane !!!!
I own that guitar. It’s incredible.
The Ace Frehley and Joe Walsh les paul replicas of the 59 that Ace used to own and recorded his first solo album with and the 1960 les paul owned by Walsh are far and away the best 2 sounding modern les Paul's I have ever heard . They actually sound like the originals . The Joe Walsh 1960 les paul has the best set of custombuckers I have heard . They have a depth and a very wide frequency range that I have not heard in other custombuckers . They have a very deep and very tight low end without being muddy and without over powering the higher frequencies. Joe's original 1960 also has a very bold clear and deep low end .
The Ace Frehely 59 replica is another very special les paul and it nails the sound of the original and the original is considered to be one to the best sounding 59 les Paul's which really says something.
The Ace 59 has a custombucker in the neck and Burstbucker 3 in the bridge and I am sure the guitar itself has alot to do with this but that is by far the best BB3 I have ever heard and the BB3 is one of my top 5 favorite bridge pickups but this particular one in the Ace 59 is just dynamite its very aggressive and on the hotter sounding side of PAFs but it's also very bright and clear but without being shrill or harsh. The middle position of that pickup combo is very nice. Very clear with lots of PAF nasal Honk
The Ace 59 with this CB/BB pickup combo does some killer vintage Jimmy page and that guitar actually hits the vintage Page tone more then the actually Jimmy page Replica of his number 1 les paul . That replica was based on Pagea number 1 as it was in the early 2000s and unlike the Ace Guitar had major modifications which made Pages Number 1 sound very different from what it sounded like in the early 70s and the replica was based on Pages 90s and early 2000s sound . So the Ace 59 would have been far closer to Pages as it originally was
The Burstbucker 2 and 3 set and the custombuckers both can be very vintage page sounding but the Jimmy Page Burstbuckers had something different about them and they definitely nailed that 90s and early 2000s Jimmy page tone but find the BB2 and BB3 and custombuckers to be not quite the same and fall more in line with his early 70s tone . People say they love the Jimmy Page BB neck but found the bridge to be way too bright a little on the thin side somewhat harsh and very aggressive despite being low output. Many people who had bought the guitar said the bridge pickup was really hot and way too aggressive but were shocked to find out that they only measures between 8 and 8.2k and had an A3 magnets which are the weakest Alnico grade . So there is Somethimg in the coil windings or winding pattern that make seem hotter and more aggressive. Mind you they are not as harsh and aggressive sounding as a BB pro for instance. They are a unique pickup . I put A3 magnets in some BBs 1 2 and 3 and despite internet claims this did not create the page Burstbucker. Some claimed the Page BBs were just standard BBs with A3 Mags but this is not the case . The are more aggressive and bright them standard BBs and Puttig A3 Mags in them only made them more mellow which is going in the world direction Edwin Wilson created the Page Burstbuckers and has confirmed they have a very different winding pattern from standard BBs and also said they were an influence on the latter custombuckers
I have a Cc1 vos and I m attracted by the Murphy lab poppy burst heavy aged because I like Tom s process and those new guitars are so pretty in addition to having good quality reputation and light weight .... but among the big number of les paul i have had the chance to play loud on good Marshall amps lately , two have blown everything away : my Perry 59 for clean Channel ans middle - overdriven sounds , and the greeny vos , not especially for power chords but for lead , it s the most magic guitar I have ever played . Green and Moore live into the Cc1 models . The way the guitar makes me play is unique , feeling and neck are unique , tones are unique . Period. I have had to pay important VaT import tax to get the Cc1 from Hong Kong to France , making the whole thing very expensive .... but I don’t regret .
Oh, Jack. What a talent. Wonderful to be able to hear you demo both guitars. I happen to own the latter Murphy Labs LP, but that's almost irrelevant to that performance. Bravo!
literally got the CHILLS when you started hitting those high notes.. thank you 🙏🏼
Both guitars were incredible! Great use of that pedal Jack! Your demos are always next level!!
Awesome playing as usual Jack! You and Aaron Hiebert are by far my favorite guitar players on CZcams! Thanks for sharing and inspiring! Cheers
Murphy Lab. Awesome balance of woodiness, clarity, and creamy sustain.
Murphy lab = grit. CC1 = velvet.
The CC1 has some vocal quality to its sound, what I prefere. But wouldnt say no to any of them 😁
Great video. I have the CC1 vos version and its hands down the best sounding guitar I own. Keep up the great work guys!
wooow, you are lucky person 👍👍👍
@@stanislavmigra thanks dude, had to trade in some guitars to afford it. Worth it though.
@@applescruff I mean. This is THE happy ending, right?
@@stanislavmigra hope so
Only I could make these les Paul’s sound awful and I’m up for the challenge 🎸
Don’t know if it’s widely known but kirt Hammett now owns Garry’s Les Paul.. side note. I think the collectors choice is my favourite
He does. That guitar is Peter Greens les paul
Hoping for a les Paul hammet signature 🔥
It is not the Gary guitar it's the Peter Green guitar.
Well done Jack . Could listen to you play all day.. The gear is cool but its your playing and emotion that comes from playing it is inspiring . Just awesome ..Hope someone is paying you well ...lol..
Jack, Jack, Jack. That was truly transcendent. I’m not sure what was more exquisite, the tone of those two beauties or your playing. Would love to hear you with a band.
The tone of the CC - best LP I’ve heard in ages
That neck PU on the CC1 takes the flag for me.
Love the Golden Poppy Murphy Lab Heavy Relic. One of my favorite R9s I’ve ever seen actually, just wish I could hear it plugged right into a Marshall Plexi, through a cabinet with Celestion Alnico (blue/gold/cream/green/whatever).
Incredible playing man!
Beauty, great video thank. In My opinion the Collector represented the idea of the msician Gary, ther personality, ther Wave ... And another Murphy , ahhhhh, so so coute. Best responsive to fidelity a '59 model, so ligth, like a semihollow guitar ... Murphy, i like the Murphy work. By and thak. Juan from Argentina, Neuquén.
CC#1 sounded sweetest to me. You're very tasteful player, you certainly know how to pull a great tone.
CC#1 is on another level.
I have the same opinion and are more a Tele Guy.
yep
Really enjoyed the playing on both instruments. Well done.
For me the Collector's Choice range is the ultimate expression, and the ultimate experience, of Gibson Custom Shop excellence.
I am actively looking for a CC #1A so if anybody has one that needs a new home, feel free to reach out! 🎸🤘🏻
Thanks Jack
Amazing playing as always Jack - next level...
Sorry if I missed it. I did hear Jack say that the ML was a Heavy Aged ML however is it the Green Lemon Fade color? Looks like it.
The two guitars are very different sounding and difficult to really compare to one another. I love the 'honky' out of phase sound of the CC#1 middle position, but I think I prefer the overall sound of the Murphy Lab guitar. And I suppose that's a lucky thing since I just bought a Murphy Lab '59 Ultra-Light Relic Factory Burst! It's also an absolutely amazing Les Paul!
I wanted to buy one like you, but my wife vetoed it. I keep trying to appeal to her humanitarian side, but she’s not wavering. Enjoy your axe!
Murphy Lab for me! Loved what you played on it! Damn you’re such a great musician Jack!
You guys should do a settings video. Jack always has superb tone .
Brilliant idea for a video 👍 pre owned CC guitars pop up for sale every now and then so I’d consider that if I had the money. That or a Kalamazoo Gibson lp.
What incredible playing.
Are the pickups in the VOS the same as in the Murphy Lab ?
Murphy Lab is great!
The burst is not terrible, but the CC #1 walks all over it tonally. The CC #1 pickups have the proper 50's glassy chime.
CC1# Like👍
Holy Sh#* Jack 😳 well played 👏
I’ll stick to my plan of just buying a regular r9 and put my own aging on it
Loads of fun !!!
Thx for demoing! Aesthetics: Murphy lab. Sound: CC1. How did you get hold of the CC1. Is it yours Jack?
First off .... Awesome playing .... Just ... Wow ..
Anyway .. I thought the numb 1 was brighter .. But both I would agree sound badass
CC #1 is the Peter green guitar and you can’t tell me otherwise!!!!!
It is, but I’m sure Gibson could only call it what they were authorised to call it, and I’d guess that Peter Green just wouldn’t authorise the use of his name. Gary Moore was probably much easier... he had already had official Gibson signature models with his name on them.
Have a CC#1 myself, the VOS version and it’s a unique Les Paul. Different in tone and feel to other custom shop 59 re issues. They seemed to go the extra mile when re creating these legendary guitars.
What songs are played for the 2 demos ? Stellar playing with an extended guitar vocabulary
Jack and the Murphy Lab are having trouble parting.. don't blame you Jack you and this guitar are the perfect marriage!☺
Typically not a Lester fan here. But Jack's playing and them tones are otherworldly. What a presentation.
To me at least, the Murphy Lab Les Paul sounds precisely like the way I hear the perfect Les Paul in my head. CC #1 absolutely has a more distinctive tone but in terms of the ultimate Les Paul tone I have to go with Murph.
Jack was made in the Murphy Lab 💥💥💥
That CC#1 has the most incredible pickups, it’s very unique sounding. Even my Peach #1 sounds nothing like it.
I got the pickups made by House of tone. 😜
@@SagaMediaNet is that not John’s CC#1 then?
@@steveburroughs7343 no idea honestly the video doesn't say who it was loaned from.
@@SagaMediaNet it’s John’s I’m sure. Could not understand your pickup comment
@@steveburroughs7343 my local luthier makes pafs with Verdi wiring the same as those in cc#1
That CC#1 looks beyond better than the new Murphy labs. What an amazing top and finish
Ohh! With the little Kirk Hammet reference at the end!? I’ve seriously considered getting that Peter Green/Jimmy page Out of phase wiring a worthy upgrade for my cheap Studio models? Can’t touch these beauties or your playing, Jack.
I love aged guitars! But why does aging on Murphy Lab guitars (random cracked glass appearance - achieved by applying heat/cold) look nothing like Tom Murphy's aged guitars done with a blade?
Given Tom Murphy was previously attempting to replicate the appearance of wear on guitars such as CC#1, did he achieve it or not?
It might be in the video at some point and answer my question. But does he still put his initials into the guitars somewhere?
No, he stopped doing that. I guess it’s because it’s from the Gibson factory and not from his workshop where he used to age guitars.
Great Playing !!
A murphy is not anything different then a reg historic. Nor are the CCs . It is marking only I have been in Historics from the beginning, 28 years and I helped make some of the changes. Its sad to see that the Murphy Lab is a down grad to what Tom used to do on his own. I know Tom and don't understand this.
$$$?
Theres a sucker born every minute. Give me any Gibson from early Henry era, 87-93.. they never made them better. Only 2005-2007 Historics touch them.. with Madagascar rw and genuine South Am. mahagony. When they switched to fijian "mahagony" in 2008, they lost it. And this new fangled Murphy business ... sheesh 😂
Stellar playing.
Gonna play my Tokai after watching this :)))
As long as your playing thats all that matters
@@darrenc8776 this is the most insightful comment ever!
I've got a Vintage brand Peter Green guitar which is what the Gary Moore really is It is kinda heavy too but is actually really nice And only a 500 dollar guitar Probably not a 5K difference either But yes the CC is my choice I'm all about tone not looks
May be its depending that Jack playing, but MURPHY LAB is better for me
Wish my R8 sounded as good as those 2. Unfortunately I could never get them to sound as good as Jack did. Nice guitars, Awesome playing!
Just a question out of the main topic here. Curious about the cable that you using here? Any suggestion will be appreciated.
Here it is (in a different colour)! - bit.ly/3z7EwpD
hey man I did not understand the color of the murphy one
Great tones. Will never buy one, but acknowledge the great sound.
Jack! you do such a great job displaying these Gibson's I hope that they *Gibson or Peach Guitars) can give you a Gibson Les Paul Historic as a reward for your good work.
The greeny replica has Burstbuckers 2 and 3 which have alot more mids then custombuckers and are quite a bit hotter so that is going to alter the tone to quite a degree. If they both had the same pickups they would not sound so different.
Amazing sounding guitars, lovely playing too👌
9:42～ I remember Gary Moore.
CC#1 is clearly better to me because of the low output/low wind pickups, I can hear the wood. It's also set for out of phase in the middle position. Lots of tonal options. I'm partial to the Collector's Choice guitars. They were special. The new Murphy Lab sounded like a modern LP with hot pickups.
Yeah the ML guitars are mostly lookers More so for well not poser's but not working musicians
To be fair a Les Paul with out of phase pickups (unless it’s an on-off switch) doesn’t have any more tonal options than a traditionally wired one, it just has a different option (or options, if you consider volume and tone control positions). You’re losing the normal both pickups on tone by setting up the out of phase one... which set up one prefers is a matter of personal choice.
@@paulcowart3174 and yet there are a number of guitarists on CZcams who have been wowed by the performance and tone of Murphy Aged Les Pauls (which are essentially the genesis of the Murphy Labs range), including Mick Taylor of That Pedal Show (who has a long term loaner guitar from his friend Neville Marten and typically isn’t known for being a Les Paul fan) and Danish Pete who actually, so the story goes, fell in love with his Murphy Aged Les Paul before he even knew what it was and then bought it for himself.
If your point is that the price of these guitars put them out of the reach of most amateur and semi-pro players then I’d agree with you. If, as it seems to me, you’re also questioning their playability and sound and pigeon-holing them purely as art or investment pieces that don’t sound all that good then I think you’re seriously wide of the mark.
@@davidburke2132 Oh I've no doubt that they are top shelf pieces and the closest thing your going to get to the real deal Just saying they are pretty out of reach to the avg Joe And as well they aren't going to make anyone a better player of course A good player can make a 500 dollar guitar sound great and a 11K one sound great Again yes they are as close to the real thing as is out there
@@davidburke2132 I agree about the tonal options I've a Vintage Peter Green model Just different Some say you can get a strat sound but not really
where will you find it ?
First! Awesome guitars
CC has The Sound!... ML has The Burst!
damn Jack...les paul custom shop relic’d in the 'right' hand
They are beautiful...but expensive which I understand....quite a reissue...
Nothing sounds quite like a Les Paul
Jesus, guy can play
Jack is phenomenal. But I'm not convinced any les paul with the same wiring, pickups would sound any different. 13k for some twat to age it for me. I'll do that thanks in 25 years of grinding it out in them streets. Rock on Jack!
The Greeny one for shure ! soul fool playing of course...
this guy totally looks like Francis's friend Richie in malcolm in the middle hahahahaha
Is the CC#1 on sale on your web?
No, as Jack mentioned in the video that guitar isn’t for sale. I’m pretty sure it’s the personal guitar of one of the Peach Guitars owners.
Greeny superiority is unchallengeable
The newer historic's sound way more alive and open and this video shows it..
Much prefer the “Collectors Choice”!
@@ces69 dont know why its a out of date low spec reissue R9,once you take away the whole greeny thing..
I just can’t bring myself to refer to Greenies 59 as another player’s guitar, legalities included.
Jack looks a lot like a young Terry Reid.
Peak Americanism: watching yt vids on guitars that costs more than a car because they look "old."
Enter Sandman at the end... 😉
We really do get screwed on price in the UK. Strength of the pound has had zero benefit.
To be fair these are very expensive guitars in the States too.
As a price comparison I found versions the same as this heavy aged one, painted and aged by Tom Murphy himself of course, for $13,499 in the US. Using the current exchange rate that’s £9,700, and don’t forget that that’s before sales tax. If we assume 7% sales tax (which is fairly representative... not the highest but not the lowest) that’s a price of £10,379. Peach are selling this guitar for £11,800. In that c. £1,400 extra we have to account for:
- shipping cost to get the guitar across the Atlantic (not a huge sum when done in reasonable volumes of course);
- an import duty of 3.7%; and
- most importantly a much higher UK VAT rate of 20%.
That higher sales tax rate alone would have elevated the US price to £11,640 instead of £10,379 @ 7% and essentially brought the US price into line with what Peach are charging in the UK.
I think it’s fair to say that it’s not Gibson who are the cause of the price differential... it’s mostly our much higher sales tax.
@@davidburke2132 Interesting. Thanks for the info. The most expensive I could find on Sweetwater is $10,499 for ‘ultra heavy aged’ (don’t think Peach have an example) whilst the ‘heavy aged’ are $8,999 (1,300 off msrp). Can’t see a mention of ‘Murphy painted’ there though so is that what you pay a c. $4.5k premium for?
@@djt6546 Sounds like you’re doing things right! Planning a tax free jurisdiction in my future 👍
@@djt6546 it’s not a question of popularity of guitar in the UK vs USA. It’s a question of where the (not exactly small, but still at least limited) production of high end custom shop guitars from the likes of Gibson and Fender tend to end up... simply put more of them stay in the US and don’t make their way to Europe, and as such the supply vs demand equation isn’t so much in the buyer’s favour here in the UK.
@@Zeppelin180 there’s a Murphy Painted heavy aged one at Wildwood. It’s actually a 1960 model not a 1959 but Gibson prices 1959 and 1960 versions the same. That’s where I picked up the price of $13,499 from. It was the only place I could find one of the Murphy Painted ultra aged ones currently in stock anywhere in the US... understandably they’re obviously in very limited supply - I suppose they can’t make Tom work 168 hours per week! 😜
Edit: there WAS a 1960 ultra aged Murphy Painted and Aged at Wildwood when I wrote the previous comment a few hours ago!! Looks like it’s sold already.
By the way, the non-Murphy painted 1959/1960 ultra aged guitars are $10,499 at Wildwood, so there’s a $3k differential there. But looking at the cheaper light aged 1958 model Wildwood has a Murphy painted one of those in at the moment for sale @ $10,999 and they have a few of the “normal” non-Murphy painted versions of the same guitar (the light aged one) @ $6,999, so the Murphy painted one is a $4k premium. I can’t explain why there’s such a big difference in the price premium for Murphy painted between the guitars... it’s not even as if the bigger premium is on the more expensive instrument, it’s the other way around. His means the percentage premium on the lower priced guitar for Murphy having done the guitar himself is far greater than on the 1959/1960 model. Can’t explain that. 🤷🏼♂️
Put a stock,normal Gibson l.p. up against those two please. That will convince me those are better than mine. Thanks
THIS!!! Then exchange pickups between them (and wiring if it was any different). Let's see how much the tone 'travels' with those.
fuck this dude can play!
The Murphy for me. Stunning tones
Awesome demo Jack, thx
Que buen guitarrista
#CC1 all day long...
Awesome, but what about a tale of two tones series
I asked for Gary Moore before, Strat and LP
CC#1 destroyed... was absolutely upset to hear it wasn’t for sale... no comparison
Dunno here I mean I’m sure they are superb but at some of the prices they brush into terry Morgan (Rip) territory. Murphy was never in the same class yet alone who he has doing the work for him
The Murphy lab sounds like some hybrid. Good but not ‘59 good.
The cc is where is at.
I hate to ask this, but how is the quality control on these custom shop Gibsons?
I’ve only ever had two Gibson guitars. The SG from around 2013 had a big dent in the neck (that looks like somehow was subsequently painted and polished over...you can tell that it didn’t happen after-the-fact). The second one was recent and is a Gibson LP Modern (2020 model in Faded Pelham Blue). This one had a nut that looks like a monkey made it from Play-Doh. For Gibson’s sake, I REALLY hope that these CS level Gibsons aren’t plagued by the same QC issues from the USA line. I would think the new leadership at Gibson would’ve tightened the QC by 2020, but maybe I just have crummy luck. :(
Id like to ask that too.
You would expect that quality control would be significantly improved at the Custom Shop level. However, considering that the vast majority of the higher priced Custom Shop models are probably purchased as “artwork” to hang on the wall the quality control might not matter at all to that type of owner.
I’ve played very very many Custom Shop Reissue/Historic Les Pauls over the past decade and the quality control and consistency of performance has been outstanding in my experience... especially in guitars from 2016 onwards. I’ve honestly not played a bad one, or one with any construction or cosmetic issues, over that production period.
Goddamn, Jack.
What a player..
Third Murphy video in a row. Wuzzup?
Just launched... just arrived in (in many places not only Peach) and hence a concerted marketing campaign to raise awareness.