BAR vs FN SCAR 17
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2014
- Just a little comparison between two firearms that give us similar capabilities.
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In another 80 years Hickok45 III will be comparing a SCAR 17 to a Phased Plasma Rifle in 40 watt range.
CaliKorleone he'll be dead
It's going to take a lot more than 40 watts to weaponize gasses. Modern plasma torches have an effective range of, what, a few inches or so at best?
Now, particle beam weapons...
CaliKorleone lasers
CaliKorleone Terminator much?
Eric Foreman Hickok45 _III_
EDIT: Notice the _III_
just saying if you run out of ammo you could always club someone with the BAR
Same goes for scar
+Wordier “WordierNeptune7” Neptune the plastic will bend
Mr llorT Seriously? wow, I was not aware of that. I have almost no experience with the scar
Wordier Neptune
I would know, if you wanna know something just ask me.
Mr llorT How good the does the scar fare at relatively long range engagements?
Funny story about the weight issue. When the M16 first replaced the M14 and the BAR during the Vietnam era, some soldiers really hated the light weight because they couldn't think of them as real guns. I felt the same way when I first picked up a Glock on pistol range after years of firing 1911s. "What is this thing?"
Toxic Dogma
Actually you're wrong. What he sad was that by the time he needed a rifle there would be plenty laying around for him to pick up and use. Which was proven true later in the movie when he did exactly that.
Charles Cosimano
I had a similar experience with pistols. I have a makarov which feels really nice in my hands. Then I bought my dad a sccy cpx 2, I picked it up and told the guy behind the counter, "this feels like a toy"
Charles Cosimano with a ligher weight, I can hold more mags
Charles Cosimano I'll tell you what it is a pistol keep in mind a pistol that can shoot 20 rounds in 2 seconds
Charles Cosimano Glock - Topseller!
nough said
5:28
''Boom boom ya know... Boom Boom'' - Hickok 2016
Lex Luthor , 😂😂
Someone should get around to making a remix of that
Lex Luthor Hickok2016 here
Lol this old man kills me sometimes
I bet that if they ever do an excavation of this area in the future they will probobly think that a major battle had taken place there
peterahjorter a major one sided battle?
If I had a nickle for every time I saw that comment on a hickock video I'd have about 13
peterahjorter id love to go metal detecting on his land, I could say “I own a cartridge that Hickok has shot” that’d be cool
@@RekzysTheTitan I was about to say that hahaha your username is hilarious
And that one side lost horribly
Old firearms are classic, but it's not a shame to admit the modern ones are better in almost every way.
M1918 BAR and SCAR-H uses the same caliber right?
Difference and advantage?
Imagine dragging that 20 lb hunk of metal around a hill in Korea in -20 temps with a wind-chill of -40 to -70. No thanks. Although it's not like they really worked that well in those extreme temps anyhow. Most BAR guys went and found a Garand as they mostly continued to work. Everyone ditched their carbines early as they stopped working and wouldn't penetrate the thick insulation the Chinese had. The Chinese were using whale oil in their BARs and that kept theirs going. Although I think they just got lucky and that is what they always used in all climates.
No, 7.62 x 51 and 30-06 are different rounds. 7.62 is smaller.
@@SaraphDarklaw Also known as .308 Winchester vs .30-06 Springfield
@@mystyle_jm8997 scar is much more egronomic - weighs 8 pounds instead of the BAR's twenty! That weight difference is mental. For the same weight, you can carry the scar 17 along with a buncha extra mags, food, or batteries. The BAR's extra 12 pounds really adds up (feels worse) the longer you stay in the field. Every pound matters.
The Browning BAR must have been top of the line for it's day much like the FN SCAR is today
Yes, this is why it was reported that the Viet Cong even stole small numbers of the BAR whenever they could even in the '60s.
justinwoolee Really?
I disagree with TheFireArmGuy:
The average combat lifespan of a World War II BAR man was estimated to be 30 minutes
+mogagary SAUCE
+Matthew Bauer i only have ketchup is that ok?
Only Hickok45 could manhandle the BAR like that, with the bipod on too!
He's a professional American.
You can't be a pro American but he is badass one
I don’t see the bipod🙈
'Murica.
@@bigdaddy7439 I know I'm late but this guy probably doesn't know what the carry handle is.
Yup
I think the FN scar is a sexy looking gun
jack e the brown ones look like a ugg boot
They are real pretty.
jack e I’d rather go to bed with the BAR, to me the SCAR looks like one of those anorexic chicks
Ean Line Don’t say objectively true statements as if they’re just a measly opinion up for interpretation.
FN makes some of the best guns out there
Its cool how hickok5 carries a sidearm even when shooting his videos! If theres ever a zombie apocalypse I wanna be with this guy!!
milffanta it was a joke...
And a stroke just appears😂
@Dustin Hall Hard disagree. You would need someone to watch your back, plus more people means more ability to hunt food.
@Dustin Hall You won't last a month in the wilderness. Humans need groups.
Dustin Hall Youre cringy as hell, dude.
I feel like all the BAR would have been a big deal during WW2 if it had been belt fed with a belt box attached. Would have been a beast to haul, but the increased capability would have been worth it. As it was, I think I'd have rather had a Garand and whole lot of clips. I can't imagine what it must have been like for German infantry, who were using bolt action rifles, when a mess of US soldiers showed up, each with a semi-auto 30-06.
GarzukaTheGamer That's not how it played out...
You should really get that cough checked out.
Normandy, the Germans used MG42s and artillery to hold back the Americans. Ardennes, the Germans had shock and surprise on their side. Soon as we got geared up, they fell pretty quickly.
>Americans
IIDASHII easy they got there stg44/mp43 and mp40 and kill said guys with BARs and m1 and then once they run out of ammo they finally surrendered.
BAR: What are you?
SCAR-17: I'm You, but better.
BAR: What are you?
SCAR-17: I’m You, but lighter
BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle, maybe is too heavy to be an assault rifle
@@nelsonsham2368 distinction being that the Assault Rifle was first properly made in the form of the MKb 42(W) and MKb 42(H), later improved into the MP43, MP44 and StG 44. Intermediate power cartridge. The BAR was a full power cartridge (firing .30-06) and such was an automatic rifle, or battle rifle as they were later called. An assault rifle is a select-fire weapon that fires something lighter in power than 7.62×51mm NATO, such as 5.56×45mm NATO or 7.62×39mm Soviet.
@@stevenbobbybills ah yeah, nowadays, SCAR-H is a Battle Rifle, M16 is an Assault Rifle, and the M4 is a Carbine... for WWII FG 42 is an Automatic Rifle, StG 44 an Assault Rifle and the M1/M1A1 carbine are carbines
One day your son will say that.
The genius of one John Moses Browning remains as true today as 100+ years ago. JMB is without a doubt one of America's true legends.
Scar: *enters the screen*
12 year olds everywhere: * *demonic screeching* *
The Bit Gamer 2 haha
Bruh people have had a crush on the SCAR weapons ever since Mw2 I think lmao.
*laughs in MW2*
They even added the exact FN Scar 17 to Modern Warfare (2019)
wOw ThAtS FrOm FoRtNiTe!!!!1!1!!1!!!1!
which one for concealed carry?
Dr. Saufproblem obviously the BAR
Dr. Saufproblem I'd go with an a10 warthog. Nice pocket size for concealed carry.
I'd go with slamming the good old entire AC130 gunship in my holster. Very lightweight.
Daniel Dickey yeah its lightweight, but i personally like a nice Ac-47. Kinda like carrying a derringer. Im a traditional man myself.
Ask Rockstar Games. They will say any gun.... GTA Logic
The SCAR lacks the effectiveness as a bludgeon compared to the BAR
If you carry around a weapon to bludgeon someone might as well carry around a parrot gun lol
Physics would suggest the heavier object lands with more force. When they stopped working in the Chosin Reservoir battle plenty of guys did club Chinese with them when being overrun.
in a modern battlefield, you're never gonna get close enough unless you're breaching a building
Love these history lessons, Hickok. Thanks, and please keep 'em coming!
My friend literally told me that BAR means Big A*s Rifle lol
You
Lol Browning automatic rifle aka walking fire
BAR is so awesome.
+ThunderousWrath Yes it is; just had the pleasure of shooting a real one in full auto this week, too. Will post a video on it in the future.
Man-points awarded!
how much can i pick a bar up for (price range)? How available are they?
I know I want an SBR bar
+ltdike123 The FAL to me seems like a modernized, smaller, shorter and more balanced version of the BAR. I'm not saying it's what it is, I am only saying I see strong similarities between the two.
Such a big fan of the SCAR 17. Really amazing how - setting aside the muzzle blast - it's just as shootable and controllable as an AR, but it's a .308.
Weapons tech and military thinking have progressed quite a bit since the early 1900s. Militaries have realized that for the average soldier, they dont need a high-powered rifle, since most engagements are within 200m.
Elc22 You ever watch any of Funker530's helmet cam vids of Afghanistan? I've never seen an engagement within 600m.
Is the SCAR 17 open bolt?
@@schlopsker.mp5 no, but there is an open bolt varient for military... the HAMR and shoots 5.56
Or you can get an AR in 308
I want to see a photo of his collection that he actually owns, and how many barns it takes up
fellowship of the goat I like how you said barns but he actually borrows most guns that are in his videos
@@kadenco.lawnmaintnance8617 he has more firearms than you think
Anyone with common sense will never show what he has unless you have a warrant and even then good luck finding them.
one of my favorite historical firearms and my favorite gun of all time in one video, and they are being compared as equals?! How could I not love this video?
Hey hickok, I've been watching your videos for a while and theyve ignited a new interest for me in guns. It's also interesting to hear the history on each gun and you do a real good job of that.
I've never owned a gun, shot a couple, but I cant wait to be another responsible gun owner!
Thank you for this Hickok45!
Happy 4th!
"he'd probably think i came from another planet. well, he'd probably think that anyway." hickok has the best sense of humor
Wouldn't recommend giving him a scar. There's no .308 rounds back then.
@@mikuhatsunegoshujin There was also no SCAR back then. Didn't think your comment through did yah.
Awesome video hickok!
8 back operations in 10 years started watching your videos a while back just wanted to tell you thanks for the smiles
The BAR becomes a deadly 20lb club when the mag runs dry.
good luck getting close enough to use it as one
Sergeant Danks R/Woooooosh
The machete becomes a machete that weighs nothing when you run out of ammo
I love the BAR. Ohio Ordinance also builds a modernised version of it that they call the HCAR. I'd love to hear your impression of it!
Always great to see the scar 17 in a video! Great video Hickok!
Nice. These historical comparisons are really interesting.
I think the FN scar is such a great innovative design in so many ways, I just wish they would have addressed a few more issues with the manual of arms such as: the bolt catch/release not being ambidextrous (would be nice if they had something similar to the ACR's bolt catch), the short fore-end/handguard (would prefer something longer, possibly in keymod), maybe an adjustable gas system, make it compatible with plentiful magazines(like the dpms AR10 mags), and a non-reciprocating charging handle.
If the rifle had those options I may actually consider owning a rifle in the less than affordable 7.62x51mm caliber.
A man, A real man to carry.
Your face in the BAR slowmo was the best!! Made my day anyway haha
This sir is like a Bob Ross of guns. I love how he laughs every time he shoots really enjoing his hobby. Good health to you good sir
couldnt stop me in Call of Duty with a BAR
Mark G in Battlefield 1 too)
Mark G lol same unless I use a kar
Cash Henson iron sight am I right lol
Mark G when call of duty was actually good
BustinMyGat what are you talking about??? It still good obviously not in its prime tho
At least with the BAR I can use it as a club when I run out of ammo
TheFoodnipple have you seen that video?
Even seen the movie snatch? Boris the blades line. "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, if it does not work you can always hit him with it."
Hickok you've done it again, great video, amazing teacher. Love it Hickok , thanks for the amazing vid.
SUBSCRIBED!!! Love this old timer!! Very informative sir !!!
A vs video with only one magazine through each gun? Are you feeling okay Mr. Hickok?
5:29 "Boom Boom, Boom Boom" haha love it!
this is awesome you should do more old vs new gun reviews
I love this guy his sense of humor is just amazing
But-but-but the BAR has THE SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP!!
SCAR buttstock= The Ugg Boot of buttstocks. Cannot be unseen!
lol, I like the scar fine
+Matthew Berish can not be unseen!
+Matthew Berish OMG.....I cry.
+Matthew Berish function over form.
+Matthew Berish Omg cannot be unseen! xD
Nice to see how much things have progressed. I'd also appreciate a field test of the Sig 716 Patrol vs. the SCAR.
Wow that was a great video. I dont know if it is your camera but the sound of these two is just dramatic. Two beautiful rifles. Lifes good 👍
Damn now I want a BAR
Fantastic video Hickok thanks.
Another great one from hickok45. I love my BAR someday I hope to own a SCAR when im in a free state. Hickok45 have a great 4th of July and yes life is certainly good in this great country of ours.
The BAR is like my favorite gun. Good luck on future videos keep having fun and I’ll keep watching you
its amazing that the full size .308 round wenr from a light squad weapon to a super light cqb platform the whole platoon can carry...12 men sending .308 down range in urban combat will effect the psychie..its a loud hard hitting round..anybody gun illiterate would notice the sound n impact difrence of this n a standard current .556
Should do a B.A.R vs Bren Gun
You're such a cool and enlightening person man. And I'm not even into guns but you make me realize the history significance and patriotism behind guns u know not to mention the way he makes u get intune with each gun and their differences and how they relate. Wish ur son was the same way but ion like his vibe and if I ever own s gunI will probably stop having one after he's done making these vlogs unless I find someone as knowledgeable and down to earth as him because you're the most American person I know
Since the country where I live in does not allow civilians just like me to own some firearms, watching your videos is always the best way for me to spend my free time! Thank you hickok45 for really great videos!
“A REALL MAN.. could carry” 😂
If the BAR was good enough for Chuck Heston in The Omega Man, it's good enough for me!!!
Hickok ... sir, I am so high right now and your videos are like hilarious, thank you for never letting us down with your sincerity.
this guy got homeland security flyin by in all the best videos
I noticed that too. Usually after full auto something there's an aircraft flying by.
You should do this with an HCAR !
The scar parts are so damn expensive. I was willing to spend the 3 grand on one until I saw barrels in the 1000+ range. What a nightmare to service that weapon.
rather get some ar-10 or svd for the price.
The ferrari of rifles
The glock 27 on your hip never looked smaller then when you held up that BAR hahaha. I love the videos Hickok!
Dude I just love this channel
Can see how technology evolved over time.
Interesting.
BAR was intended as a squad automatic weapon, not a battle rifle. That's why it has a heavy barrel. The SCAR 17 is a battle rifle, not intended for sustained automatic fire. That's the difference.
Really enjoyed that comparison, thanks! I guess one interesting fact about your choice of BAR vs FN SCAR is the trivia regarding the J. M. Browning/FN connection. Browning, of course, eventually ended up working for the Belgian company.
As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~beretta 8045f ????
Yea the SCAR is lighter ect ect..but if you run out of ammo you can't beat a moose to death with it..
thomas pavelko have you ever seen a moose? They’re terrifyingly huge! I’ve seen one toss a bear like he was nothing!
big meese good for Hitting
how many scenarios are you ever gonna be able to use your rifle as a club in a fight, though?
Sergeant Danks WW1. Other than that idk lol
@@Vito_Caligiuri bayonet charges aren't particularly common, lol
Well, it's in some ways apples-to-oranges: the FN Mk17 was designed as a heavy assault rifle, while the BAR is an Infantry Automatic Rifle: a hybrid combat rifle/light machine gun. As a result, it's built to sustain high volumes of Fire for gunnery work, while retaining some semblance of precision. The Mk17, isn't quite built-up for heavy, prolonged stress.
And the fact that there is a 500+ foot per second difference between them
After a few glasses of whiskey I start pretending he’s my grandpa
He's all of our grandpa
Lmao.. Correct bruh
😂😂😂
That's awesome lol
Dafuck lol
Just imagine if you hopped in your time machine and back to 1918. You'd be comparing an 1863 Springfield musket to the BAR. That's such a huge leap in technology. Cool vid Hickock!
Nice video. Good comparison i always loved 30-6 especially the remington 742 woodsmaster.
The fact that we can find an 100 year old antique box of 9mm, .45 , 50bmg, 22LR... etc and have it chamber perfectly in a brand new 2014 model gun says that we have done next to nothing in the last 100 years. Not sure if that is good or bad...
Not really. If you tried to fire a hundred year old 9mm with brand new +P+ ammunition, it would probably explode.
Mike2020mike2020 You missed the point. Besides, +p+ in a new gun that is also not rated for it would probably get the same result.
What do you even mean? Of course many ammo cartridges have remained the same over time. They work well and they're popular. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
TheGreatCrusader this video was about comparing ~100years of improvements. look back another 100 years... that is 100 +100 = 200... there was a LOT of INNOVATION. Smokeless powder, primers, self contained cartridges, automatic fire, proper rifling... actually nevermind... :(
Son of a Zombie
Well then you could have said, "Compare the last 100 years of advancement to the 100 years previous to that." There might not have been as much development in the ammunition cartridge field, and the actions of firearms might be relatively the same, but the technology involved in manufacturing, recoil compensation, modularity, ergonomics, etc. has come quite far, and we owe these advancements to having such stable actions and designs from 100 years ago. It wasn't broken, so they didn't have to fix it, allowing the modern designers to focus on other aspects of shooting.
You know it’s always interesting to me when I see a scar. Because I’m a pretty avid gamer and every game I’ve ever played always makes the scar seem like a heavier gun that it actually is
Video games are so unrealistic when it comes to firearms. I'd like to know why they think two different rifles with the same barrel length and the same caliber do different amounts of damage. Also, just calling something a "sniper" rifle makes it 5 times deadlier.
Don't get me wrong, I like video games and it's good that they're getting more people interested in firearms. A new gun owner and a supporter of gun rights is always good, irrespective of how they came to be firearms fans.
@@thatguy22441 look at game called escape from tarkov it has very realistic guns compared to like call of duty
Another brilliant video hickok, cheers!
@ 7:20 lmao, I love your sense of humor Hickok!
Отличное видео! Будут обзоры на другие исторические винтовки - Каркано, Арисака, Лебель, МАС 36 ?
I'd really hope to see the guns you've mentioned, mainly because there's almost no information out there about these historical fascinating firearms.
Oh, and by the way, I don't think Hickok45 speaks russian ;)
Jeff Lebowski It would be great if Google translate it right C:
America's grandfather...
Thanks Hickok, I love my SCAR 17. I use as my main home defense gun.
Love the comparison/evolution videos...
Belgian Firepower! whoa makes me proud of my brave little country! ;) i guess you let us win just to thank us for the great firearms :)
Perhaps a SCAR/HCAR comparison in the future? Probably a better comparison. (though I thoroughly enjoy your channel)
colmhain this is gonna be a done question, but what’s a hcar??
DeRailed Jr. Not dumb. Not many people know but it's basically a modernized bar
great video!!! scar 17 seems like quite the weapon, I would love to shoot one someday. Cheers from CA!!
i noticed on the slowmo at the end the FN as some flex in it where there bar was solid both nice pieces of kit
5:30 5 year old me with my nerf guns.
"i promise theyre legal!"
6:46 awesome part right there !!! This may he a shot in the dark, but could you try to review a FAMAS ? Awesome comparison video this was.
Great video again! You're my favorite You Tuber. Nice to see a video on the OOW 1918A3. I've owned one for over 10 years, shoot in in Military Matches. Love it! FYI. You remove the flash hider to remove the bipod. Makes the old warhorse 3# lighter.
I love my SCAR 17s. Best battle rifle I have ever handled, and I have handled a lot! The BAR was a great weapon in its time, and it is a pretty good war club if you run out of ammo and are strong enough to swing it... LOL If you hate the SCAR, its probably because you have never fired a SCAR... They are light, accurate, have an OK trigger, good sights and surprisingly low recoil for a 7.62 NATO round. I can fire my SCAR at a 6" plate at 300+ yards at a rate of 3 to 4 rounds a second and hit the plate every time. Almost no muzzle rise. The muzzle break makes the weapon loud, you can feel the thump if you are standing next to someone firing it. Yes, it kind of looks like a pregnant guppy, but if the SHTF, that is the rifle I will have in my hands. You can really reach out and touch someone, in the next zip code if necessary, with the SCAR. I just don't know what else you could want in a combat rifle...
Is the SCAR 17 open bolt or closed?
I hit a 2" plate at 900 yards every time with my .22 lr at 10 rounds per second blindfolded and only using my left hand.
I want a SCAR so badly
I think you meant BAR
Just save up a few grand and it's yours✌🏾
AWSOME, this is great to see, old school and new school. Both proven well.
i like your balanced, cautious and well stated opinions.
BAR ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL DAY.... just like my hero Clyde :)
He’s makes a scar look tiny
The book helmet for a pillow by Robert Lackie - an amazing book about the marines in the pacific. Describes how the marines modified the BAR for combat "if it could be taken off it was". Packs were used for shooting or logs in more static times. It was more DMR then people think because of the sights and trigger the book talks about being able to burst 2 or 3 rounds with it accurate.
Another great video thank you very much
It helps being 6'8" when quick firing a 308 NATO haha! You have a bit of an easier time than me at 5' 7" even though I'm solid like an oak stump. ;) great video! Mick!
5.7 as in FN.57 hmm or FN scar I can't be the only one need to make a joke on this
If there would be gun in between these two it would be FN Fal.
Definitely
I guess one could say the FAL is almost like a carbine version of the BAR in terms of design (and yes I know the BAR is considered an MG)
+The Incredible Carrot with a different operating System and another role
+The Incredible Carrot it is considered an LMG, but I think it's really more of a battle rifle.
scarheavyfox A light machine gun is still a machine gun, just as a laptop is still a computer.
You know what I find funny? 5:30 when he says "BOOM BOOM" while holding a loaded gun instead of shooting. 😂
Great video, thank you. Would love to see the same comparison on older SIG57 and the new SIG SAPR ... same effect, same weight difference! Thanks, C.