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Great job on the diversity of these soldiers. This series really shows so many different sides of war and its consequences. Well done.
Underrated comment right here ^
It's a good point. Veterans are not a monolith. To only present the views of veterans who are sympathetic to those they killed and remorseful of the lives they've taken would be disingenuous. Some veterans were affected, some not so much. Some hated the killed, some enjoyed it. Some saw the enemy as faceless targets, some as hated enemies.
i respect him for his brutal honesty.
+Soxxielou x you respect him for hating children?hm nice life style
knew someone would twist my words. i said i respect him for his honesty, not what he did. he isnt trying to hide behind his title. he openly admitted how he felt. a lot of people hide behind their job when they commit atrocities. he didnt. thats what i respect. DONT YOU DARE criticise my life style when you dont know me.
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+Allexno Gaming shut it, Minecraft kid.
Oyster Manfield lol k
Instead of condemning this man, we need to figure out ways to provide help for him
You are right!
Instead of fighting ISIS. we should find a way to help them and work out why they're on a hatred fueled massacre... because same logic as what you have :D
+Anastasia O'shea ISIS are fueled by religion
ReviloFTW religion isn’t real
Zoinkz I’ll tell you they sure think it is
Stop criticizing a mans thought process. Especially in a situation you keyboard warriors could never understand. You may call him sick for wanting to kill them, including children. But the truth is they wanted to kill him too. Despite his hostility towards something as innocent as a child, he knew the difference between right and wrong and never hurt a child or civilian.
Have I understood this video differently from everyone else or am I just desensitised to his attitude? Because this seems to be a spot-on description of (what I imagine to be) the general mentality of many, if not most soldiers. While I'm totally opposed to war and would never join the army, I imagine that if I'd been in that position I'd have developed a similar attitude. It's irrational but I can see where it's coming from
These people know exactly what they are getting into.. They didn't join the army thinking oh I won't ever kill someone. All these idiots want to know what it feels like to kill someone that's why they join the military.
Scooby Doo I'm going to join the military because I want to feel the lifestyle of a soldier and have a purpose to my life, like fighting for my country to protecting others. I will kill if I have to, but I prefer not to. Yes many will join to feel what it feels like to kill someone, but please stop generalizing soldier's motives.
Scooby Doo you better be thankful these kind men joined up so you didn't have to
Its not irrational there is no rationality he is a soldier its a fight or flight instinct in the heat of the moment do you really think theres time to be rational when someone is trying to kill you and after years of training the fight instinct to overcome the flight id expect nothing less from him
Cat C how the fuck is he irrational?
May God bless this man.
He has such a valuable perspective, & he seems to know how to control it so well.
I don’t even know you, but I love you brother.
All these people like to talk about how awful these people are as if they knew what they went through lol. Have your best buddies get killed next to you and tell me you'd come home sane. War affects people differently. It's hell.
Scooby Doo thanks for showing how ignorant you are. Lmao
so if my friend died in front of me and I killed the man who took out my pal who could've also killed me, I'm considered scum? I have no sympathy for retarded liberals.
Jame Pak I'm not defending or choosing sides but any side of a war is always wrong to kill, your example is not even about war .. so it can't be compared.
It's more like why they were even in Iraq? they died because they were there nothing to justify their death or even their killing
Both sides don't deserve to die .. or if then it's nothing for us 'humans' to decide anyway.
Think consensus is that Josh is the awful one, or he's coping unhealthily.
Mihir Sengupta a.) The Vietnam vets were draftees b.) I take it if war were on your doorstep you'd just roll over and die?
@2:41 Interesting analogy with speeding. We're told it's a bad idea (and it is as a general rule) but once you've done it because you've had to, it's no big deal to speed when needed.
I actualy like him very much.....very clear about his thoughts, very honest... even at his darkest
"Expanded your world?" This guy is the scariest one of all. Thank you for your service.
For all critics, think about how long the "recent" war vets have been out of war for. The emotions don't just return when you come home.
Would be nice to have some Iraqi veterans, showing their side of the war.
I'm pretty sure there is one on this channel from about a week ago where a guy in Saddam's army talks about why he had to fight
+Stephen Tomlinson look for Quassim
+Stephen Tomlinson Qassim
thanks guys
+Stephen Tomlinson
I know that one, but I meant a veteran from the last war.
Still a good interview though.
His philosophy at the end was so fucking deep and spot on. That was intense.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. - Yoda
Actually its Fear leads to anger it does. Anger leads to hate it does. Hate leads to suffering it does.
please have more respect.
schmurgel what was disrespectful about the comments?
Josh Honore he’s talking about cheese I think
I love his story because it is so well spoken.
"There will be a next time bc you've crossed that boundary. You've expanded your world" That's the part that worries me a bit.
that worry would be fear
That line on expansion really speaks to me. Truly opening your eyes comes at a price, I think I’m happy keeping my eyes closed.
As a veteran who has been in his situation, and faced what hes faced, I dont know how to feel about this video.
TreyStewartUSMC rah
I think the problem is that the 'for the freedom of your country' bit has become a bit of a stretch at this point in time.
There are many instances throughout history where a soldier is literally fighting for the freedom and survival of his people. But many feel that invasions of military weakling countries that aren't actually capable of even threatening an invasion on you makes the war something else.
I'm just basing that off a handful of friends who served in Iraq/Afghanistan and how they feel after the wars.
No disrespect intended.
It's just business as usual. civilian .
@JoXDie thanks for the input, Doc.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but just take a moment to remember that everyone reacts and responds differently to everything. My brother and I had the same childhood and let me tell you it shaped both of us into VERY different people. Not trying to start anything, just sharing a bit of perspective
This guy is amazing...just a guy who sees the world and life differently then most people. you can tell hes done a lot of thinking about his experiences and the deeper side of life that civilians dont have to confront...thats why our military is so cherished, just like every other culture in history cherished their warriors...the warrior goes out and experience shit on the most primal level and bring back with them a wisdom and perspective that is unheard of in a civil society...our warriors keep us in touch with our humanity. we should listen to them more. Great video
How this man describes the transformation is exactly how it happens; from an immortal soldier with superior training to fragile being with guilt (not for killing the enemy but for losing a mate) to an instrument of vengeance. His phrase "Crossing that boundary and expanding your world" could not have been more articulate, Moreover his response to "Do you think there are some people in the world who deserve to die?" is pure, no bullshit and true, one word response "ABSOLUTELY". Not irrational at all, just true. It is how the world "IS" not "how it should be" and no overthinking PhD is going to change that with a 750 page dissertation. Excellent work CUT. Welcome home brother and well done.
Really well said and beautiful.
It's so weird how war vets are differ by the war the fought in on this channel.
this guy stands out. even Josh had a different way of talking about combat, which was more objective. this guy was so all about emotion and justification. war is hell
This series is super well done. Also recommend First Kill re experience of nam vets
So many people here speaking with such ignorance. Unless you experienced what he has experienced you certainly have no right to judge him for these feelings. And by the way he did say he was able to put that hate behind him after some time.
If this guy owned a company that was hiring and I saw this video beforehand. I would apply and live to work for him. This is brutal honesty at its finest.
Stay strong brotha 🙏🏽💪🏽
PTSD present to us in different ways. People with some brains should understand what i am talking about, and maybe some people gonna think twice before criticizing.
This is why when I was in the wars I didn't make friends it would be to hard to loose them
interesting...
This man said it all in the first few seconds. If you are put against another man to fight for your life or the life of a loved one the decision isnt a hard one.
Nice series, is there unedited versions available?
Oooo that was honest. Thank you for your service
Completely rational. You need to know when there is a threat, and how to handle it. If the threat is extreme, it’s lead. It’s just how it has to be. I love my family, my kids, my friends and my neighbors, I am empathetic, compassionate, understanding and reasonable. But the Switch is there and I WILL turn it back on if I need it. The thing is, I’m afraid of you taking my life. Which is why I don’t second guess taking yours.
that end comment was deep af
I hope you're doing well Jonathan. I wish I had a friendo like you.
We are a sick group of people to be saying this man is a sociopath, a psycho, a menace. He served to protect and encourage freedom to the world. He watched his brothers in arms die, and he was crushed by that. He wanted to hold the people who did this to him and his friends accountable, he wanted to make them understand how he felt. The way he saw the people around him, was in disgust. There he was, fighting their own battles. There own ethnicity fighting him, and they have no idea. They don't understand what he went through or respect him for that, they offered no help. He despises them for that. How could you blame him. You're human flaws would lead you the same way, or you'd cower in fear that you'd be next.
*their
excellent series but why did you end it so early!?
That last point was pretty deep
great video quality LOL
if you haven't experienced the exact same thing, don't judge. simple as that.
I think it's very scary, that his point actually makes sense, that once you have killed (under the circumstances of war of course), that there is no change in the grand scheme of things (or at least that you feel this way). Not talking about the moral and psychological implications of course, since I believe that everything we do has consequences
What makes the green grass grow?
When you've witnessed certain levels of extreme evil. And evil people take many forms. I think this is a consequence of witnessing those levels of evil.
People fail to realize that war,through the eyes of the actual soldiers, is not My side versus their side,it's a very primal, very instinctual act.
What i think he meant by he didnt look for any trouble is that he wasnt looking for any trouble before his friends died, after its game on
that was blunt
KEEPING TALKING ABOUT YOUR STORIES VETS WE WANT TO HEAR!
Thank you for sharing and your service sir
Kids grow up different in other countries. Some kids are trained to be killers and soldiers, so kids in different countries are not just regular kids you see walking down your street.
you sound like someone who hasnt met alot of little kids in alot of countries.
Imagine i said that about American children since im from Canada and we dont really have school shootings. your response would be filled with a bunch of Ifs and Butts. Hell the US has 57times more school shootings than the rest of the industrialized nations.
Classic dehumanization...making whatever excuses necessary to justify the most evil crimes. Kids from Iraq are somehow different, you say, and that justifies killing them?
Truth or drink with siblings please
Commo leads the way.
You should do this but with veterans of all around the world to have different experiences
expanded your world.... thats a bit chilling and a bit fascinating. i mean ive never been in a war but ive had some near death experiences that definitley did exactly that. and not even near death.....just bad times that i survived and humbled me and gave me an appreciation for the little i had and what this life is all really about. not on this level though. and hope i never have to experience it on this level either
I felt like watching a brutal ASMR video
Talking to veterans of ww2, having a German war veteran who was sent to Russia, and talking to American veterans, they have totally different views on killing and how it feels. They never wanted to do it. They never felt good about it. It haunts them until the day they die
That begs the question: what do they do for you when you come back home from that war? When you are emotionally damaged and when you feel nothing but hate - do and how do they help you get back to normal?
Also, shouldnt there be something in your training that will help you prepare for this? While he sounds properly trained that he pulls the trigger without hesitation - which is the whole point of training a soldier - and he seems unaffected by the fighting until he starts losing comrades...
Would there be means to prevent such break downs? Or ways to prevent that complete state of hate? It sounds like classic responses to emotional trauma.
A lot of times when they come back, they don't get any help at all. They're left on their own.
From what I understand, the military does try to train them for things like this, but clearly people like this guy are sometimes the end result.
Sounds like they need to improve on those mental health services then... Suicide rates are higher among veterans than the normal population - some reports say double that. Other reports say about as many die in combat as commit suicide later.
Either way - thats just one angle - what about getting and holding down jobs after that? How will trauma effect that? Or family relations?
For the amount of money that is put into the military - shouldnt a fair portion be invested in the care of those who have done their job and survived it?
Seems unwise to let it be as things are now...
Majority of the people that join for infantry is very small. They have a wide mostly any job you can think of in the civilian world. And statistically, I dunno the numbers, but most of the people in the military commit suicide are not in infantry.
If you join the military you'd know we do nothing but training ie) power points, which kinda points us to the right people to talk to like a chaplain or chain of command. Most of the time people don't talk because fear of getting kicked out. My friend attempted suicide, we had to force him to be seen.
Of course no one can prepare themselves for situations like this because majority of us have been sheltered from this type of severe trauma.
And most of us join young knowing the risks.
Damn
Just damn
Zack Brown's sibling? Dang he looks and sounds soooo similar
Poor pawns.
Fuck off
"A Lion does not care for the opinions of sheep".
Directed at every civilian in the comment section.
E. R. Tywin Lannister “a look does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep”
*lion
Hooah
I found a sociopath, y'all
That's a paraphrased quote from Mussolini. Great role model there.
What war did he fight in?
Iraq war
WAR. WAR NEVER CHANGES
this is scary
This guy is smart
ayye 1440p
Special forces guy
This man seems to believe his point of view to be honorable, I hope he goes to consult as it's quite jarring to hear and worrisome. I appreciate Cut for showing POVs without discrimination or praise though.
How do you respond to veterans who enjoy war? Do you think enemy soldiers enjoy war?
People deal with personal problems and experiences differently. War doesn’t phase some people at all.
Mustbe Aweful enemy soldiers probably have a mix, honestly. It depends on their cultures and how they were raised, and the people around them. For people who enjoy war, let them. It’s their decision and they’re fighting for their beliefs. I agree with our own soldiers and veterans and I think we should be supporting them instead of rejecting them, like some do.
Ima kill ya "looks dead at the camera"
Too many cuts. It's like the story is told for them.
That is a no shit explanation! My Dad told me the same when I was a kid because he experienced infantry combat in WWII and Korea. When my turn came for the Panama Invasion and 2 tours in Iraq as an infantryman. Yes his words was the truth. Kill or be killed. That was bottom line.
i 100% agree its either you or me. You try to take my life? ill take yours. thats how it works
I feel like people in the comment section have no idea what it's like to be in war
if They dont Want to Live
Black & White was a good choice...
“There will be a next time. Because you’ve crossed that boundary.” This guy is still killing people lol
All these people commenting need to have some sympathy unless youve seen your friend die unless you watched someone murdered someone close to you your opinions are invalid and you have no right judge how he feels because you could never fathom the difficulties of those experiences
Damn
I'm so happy he's not serving our military no more
Gotta love entitled millenials who tell traumatized soldiers on how they should think like.
I don’t think a lack of empathy has anything to with what time in history someone is born.
@@furiousape7717 You'd be surprised, though I'm struggling to figure out which of the two you think lacks empathy.
You realize it was literally and specifically millennials that have been fighting two wars for 20 years now, right? What a dipshit comment.
@@RonnieMcSneed both tbh, but I can’t say much. I didn’t really serve in anything but a restaurant
@@Caligulette_ And do you think I categorized the people that fought in the entitled category? What a dipshit comment.
He must have been one of the soldiers that pointed their weapons at me in Iraq. Since when taking children's life is okay? How immoral no matter what happened to his friend, what an excuse.
If this guy was a cop everybody would be dead
Ignorant people criticize first rather than try to understand
I love how people in comments talk about america like we are the only ones in the middle east...
oh wow look at all the comments from all the combat veterans that know everything....
let they react to sriya kids died
Yeah no , it's hard not to condemn this man if it was because a draft. He choose to join.
shit deeep
People are saying these guys are scary? Eh, no shit? These guys are trained to kill, they are soldiers, some of them have ice water running through veins!!!
I agree....some people deserve to die...long and painfully; & I don't apologize for feeling or thinking this way
War has been around since the beginning of time. Nothing is going to change. I just find it crazy that people can literally talk sh*t but have no idea what the circumstances were of someone who may have joined the military. Yes some just join to join and yes there are others who feel as if it’s a must. None of that matters. We live in a messed up world and most military personnel have their own faiths and beliefs and that they’re looking to make a difference. If anything why can’t anyone with a negative view stand up for what they believe in and try to make a change for our world as a whole. Yeah... thought so. You guys are the worst kind of people and need a reality check.
"i never went out looking for trouble" hmmm.....
So by his definition he deserved to die.
Sean O why?
killers
I too respect the brutal honesty but i think he should also remind himself that america fought an illegal war....do we take out the law of man and just have a free fall into anarchy?
On the other side, your "enemies" are in your same situation as you are. Same feelings, same emotions, same friends who died in the same way. You should hate the governements which treat people like pawns for their goals.
They are soldiers , they signed up for it.
Elisa Dell'Accio that is true in most cases, but these terrorists are there soley to kill they feel no regret or remorse they kill because thats what they want to do
Sure. But it isn't your government that's shooting at you.
to be fair his enemies:
1) drafted into the army they didnt sign up like he did
2) are defending themselves from a invading force
and before anyone says 9/11.... that kid in the Iraqi Army was not involved in the 9/11 AND that kid will have his own 9/11 when you come in and kill his family, friends and countrymen.
Jason U they aren’t defending their land, they are fighting for an extremist religious belief, if they were truly defending their land then all the able body citizens would be signing up with the terrorists, because the military there is backing out military
They are sonic attacking everyone in Indiana. Oh the great police here are sonic attacking. Yeah he expanded his world straight to hell.
I definitely deserve to die. I am utter scum
@THE REAL who am I compared to society
Crazy what war does to people.
This guy just compared going 3 mph over the limit with killing somebody. I am speechless
God bless the men and women of the American Armed Forces